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A New Zealand journalist recently write of the surprisingly arrogant and complacent approach the Australian public and the government have had regarding COVID control measures. Like Japan, the US and UK and most other nations around the world, you knew the risks, you did too little too late and these are the consequences.

COVID has shown how so many nations have dysfunctional govt and societies.

New Zealand, Taiwan etc. are models for all humanity to follow or suffer further now and again in the future and your own hands.

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What?

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I’m going to speak for the people in my state of W.A. We’re just shaking our heads at this nonsense in the east, it’s just arrogant, cases are rising and this could affect the whole country.

Having said that we really need to lift our game on vaccinations.

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It’s idiots like this that make it necessary to have lockdowns. I can easily understand their angst, but large gatherings without masks and distancing are only going to result in more new cases and more strict and prolonged lockdowns. Just do as you are told and stay home! Fools!

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They had like what 5-10 cases and did lockdown while Tokyo has 1k+ everyday and Olympics are on.

Obviously they see it's something wrong with the government that's why they went on the streets.

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You don’t like to hear it, but this biohazard attack, intentionally or not, requires of course hard quasi military and adequate countermeasures. After having extinguished the virus by harsh lockdowns and other procedures everyone can get freedom, democracy, truth or whatever you might think is now on stake, of course back as the normal life too. You don’t agree and think it’s ok to live with the virus and some booster vaccinations? Of course you can’t stand all the next waves in a row, LongCovid and severely reduced life expectancy. You will be completely messed up in a few other months or years of pandemic, economically, mentally, financially and of course under health considerations.

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New Zealand, Taiwan etc. are models for all humanity to follow or suffer further now and again in the future and your own hands.

Give me a break. Small island country and island district of China cannot serve as models for major countries that have to maintain an international presence in business, science, military, education, etc.

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New South Wales Police said it recognized and supported the rights of free speech and peaceful assembly, but the protest was a breach of public health orders.

How easy it is to control people.

Just make it an issue of ‘public health’

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> RecklessToday  03:06 pm JST

New Zealand, Taiwan etc. are models for all humanity to follow or suffer further now and again in the future and your own hands.

Give me a break. Small island country and island district of China cannot serve as models for major countries that have to maintain an international presence in business, science, military, education, etc.

Australia, Japan and the UK are all isolated from other major population areas just as NZ is.

COVID does not spread depending on the population. Whether you have 1 billion people or 100,000 people it spreads in the same way from person to person.

What makes the difference is clear, well-organised and decisive govt action and compliant and non-complacent population who collectively take COVID seriously.

Most nations lack these elements to be able to fight a pandemic.

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RecklessToday  03:06 pm JST

New Zealand, Taiwan etc. are models for all humanity to follow or suffer further now and again in the future and your own hands.

Give me a break. Small island country and island district of China cannot serve as models for major countries that have to maintain an international presence in business, science, military, education, etc.

If NZ's success is entirely the result of being an Island nation, why is it not the same in Ireland which is an island with a similar population - Ireland 4 million deaths, NZ deaths 22.

UK is an island nation, as is Japan, Fiji and Australia is isolated from other major populations.

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CORRECTION

letsberealisticToday  03:55 pm JST

RecklessToday  03:06 pm JST

New Zealand, Taiwan etc. are models for all humanity to follow or suffer further now and again in the future and your own hands.

Give me a break. Small island country and island district of China cannot serve as models for major countries that have to maintain an international presence in business, science, military, education, etc.

If NZ's success is entirely the result of being an Island nation, why is it not the same in Ireland which is an island with a similar population - Ireland 5,000 deaths, NZ deaths 22.

UK is an island nation, as is Japan, Fiji and Australia is isolated from other major populations.

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Larr Flint

They had like what 5-10 cases and did lockdown while Tokyo has 1k+ everyday and Olympics are on.

...and meanwhile in Communist China, the virus is officially defeated and the country is open for business. No screaming headlines and lockdowns any more.

Which leaves 2 possibilities: Either the magnificent CCP has gloriously defeated the virus, which will never cross the borders to enter mainland again. Or, we are looking at a media issue: If you ignore it and do not hype it up as a disaster than necessitates ever more authoritarian control, it is a manageable issue that does not warrant shutting down the country.

Choose which makes more sense.

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Feel sorry for those in Australia.

They close down the country if like 5 people have it.

Covid is not going away. Its going to be omnipresent and seasonal like influenza.

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163 new cases today.

Lower vaccination rates.

Lockdown to try and reduce the spread. It has worked in other cities around the country so what would you suggest Larr Flint?

Kurisupisu, the public health order is issued to try and reduce the spread. Why do you think the cases in Australia have been low??

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It wasn’t long ago that everyone was praising wonderful Australia and New Zealand, but it was a disastrous policy , shortsighted and doomed from the start

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You can’t treat people like penned in animals regardless of what you think of any danger.

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It wasn’t long ago that everyone was praising wonderful Australia and New Zealand, but it was a disastrous policy , shortsighted and doomed from the start

Yet they've managed to keep their death tolls among the lowest in the world, with their economies roaring throughout the pandemic.

Unlike your nation, sadly.

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It wouldn’t matter to these people if there were 10,000 cases a day in Sydney. They’d still be against a lockdown, or vaccinations, because they’re Freedumb fighters and that’s what Freedumbers do. Childish, selfish and oafish.

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Surprised to took so long.

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There will always be those who disagree.

The lockdowns are overwhelmingly supported by Austrlians though. These are just the noisy ones who disagree. Not so different from this site, where you see a small number of people being extremely vocal, making it appear as if they hold bigger influence across society than they actually do.

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BurakuminDesToday  04:44 pm JST

It wasn’t long ago that everyone was praising wonderful Australia and New Zealand, but it was a disastrous policy , shortsighted and doomed from the start

Yet they've managed to keep their death tolls among the lowest in the world, with their economies roaring throughout the pandemic.

Unlike your nation, sadly.

NZ is the only nation on Earth to have zero COVID community cases for as long as they have had (more than a year in total). How was it a 'a disastrous policy, shortsighted and doomed from the start'?!

Australia is like anywhere else; they lack organised, decisive govt and a complacent arrogance towards COVID in the population.

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These idiots will cause the lockdown to last even longer. They will continue to blame others when the blame lays with them and others like them.

Get vaccinated and follow medical instructions and Government instructions and we will weather the storm with minimal deaths. Do stupid things and we will all pay for your dumbness.

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These idiots will cause the lockdown to last even longer. They will continue to blame others when the blame lays with them and others like them.

You're probably right - this event likely spread more of the virus, which will result in a longer lock down.

But they got to whine on the media. That's the important part.

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The lockdowns are overwhelmingly supported by Austrlians though

The tide is slowly turning on this. At first the vast majority of the Australian public were happy that the lockdowns were effective at suppressing the virus and limiting cases/deaths. But as the rest of the world is starting to enjoy more freedoms with higher vaccination rates, and the public realizes that opening up with a vaccinated population is the only way things will get back to semi-normality, there is growing frustration with the ineptitude of the government and it's slow vaccine rollout. Even worse is that the happy-clapper PM is incapable of issuing an apology - he switches between radio silence and deflection of the blame.

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The tide is slowly turning on this.

Well you say that, but...

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Australia is like anywhere else; they lack organised, decisive govt and a complacent arrogance towards COVID in the population.

Right on the first part, not so much on the second. Don't judge the anti-lockdown or anti-vaxx sentiment in Australia by these losers demonstrating in the streets. They're still a minority. It's the Federal Government's complete screw-up of the vaccine rollout that's at the heart of Australia's problems, and the reason why we can't afford to let these Covid surges get out of hand. The situation should be better in a couple of months, but that's not much good now, is it?

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BigYenToday  05:50 pm JST

Australia is like anywhere else; they lack organised, decisive govt and a complacent arrogance towards COVID in the population.

Right on the first part, not so much on the second. Don't judge the anti-lockdown or anti-vaxx sentiment in Australia by these losers demonstrating in the streets. They're still a minority. It's the Federal Government's complete screw-up of the vaccine rollout that's at the heart of Australia's problems, and the reason why we can't afford to let these Covid surges get out of hand. The situation should be better in a couple of months, but that's not much good now, is it?

This NZ journalist caught up in the chaos in Australia offers an interesting alternative perspective that may surprise you. He saw widespread arrogance and complacency when compared to what he experienced in NZ.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/125852304/transtasman-bubble-australias-covid-madness-makes-me-miss-nzs-response

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Reckless

Give me a break. Small island country and island district of China cannot serve as models for major countries that have to maintain an international presence in business, science, military, education, etc.

Why not?

Simian Lane

It wasn’t long ago that everyone was praising wonderful Australia and New Zealand,

And for good reason.

but it was a disastrous policy , shortsighted and doomed from the start

Why? It has worked remarkably well.

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That's a cute pony.

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The protests in Australia are totally understandable. The logic to keep so many millions inside their homes is flawed. People die daily in cases where it is totally preventable. Governments unfortunately must look at the risk assessment and accept that there will be casualties. Perhaps it is bias from living in a free Japan. They seem to have the balancing act mastered here. There is no huge public outcry protests over deaths, sickness, or loss of employment.

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joffy:

Really? There’s been a fair bit of outcry about the Olympics.

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joffyToday  06:02 pm JST

The protests in Australia are totally understandable. The logic to keep so many millions inside their homes is flawed. People die daily in cases where it is totally preventable. Governments unfortunately must look at the risk assessment and accept that there will be casualties. Perhaps it is bias from living in a free Japan. They seem to have the balancing act mastered here. There is no huge public outcry protests over deaths, sickness, or loss of employment.

Disagree.

COVID has been rampant in Japan and many have died (more than what the stats show).

New Zealand decided early on that they would not accept casualties and they didn't. It can be done.

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letsberealistic:

Actually, compared to New Zealand it wouldn’t surprise me. Compared to the US, though, or the UK, or France (to name just three) it would.

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This is what democracy looks like.

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BigYenToday  06:11 pm JST

letsberealistic:

Actually, compared to New Zealand it wouldn’t surprise me. Compared to the US, though, or the UK, or France (to name just three) it would.

That's it though really; if enough of the population becomes less serious and complacent about a pandemic, as well as less than perfect coordination and decisiveness from govt a pandemic will claim many lives. NZ sets the bar for future pandemics.

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Really? There’s been a fair bit of outcry about the Olympics.

Australia is not hosting the Olympics and that is why I didn't mention them. The Japanese public do not want lock-downs, that is obvious.

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Good on these Aussies, mate. It’s not the role of government to tell you when and where you can and cannot go. If you think differently, then move to China or North Korea. It’s better to die then let the government tell you when and where you can come and go.

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This is extremely sad because many are losing their businesses, jobs and now many if not all cannot see family.

While that is sad, what would be much more sad would be to let this virus loose in society to kill the vulnerable, elderly and weak by the tens or hundreds of thousands like other nations have done.

One is not comparable to the other which is why lockdowns saving lives is the best option available until full vaccination is achieved.

Go get vaccinated!

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I live in Sydney. It was honestly so disappointing to wake up to this news.

We've been in lockdown for weeks and these protestors, who were protesting about being in lockdown, will ironically extend the lockdown.

Unfortunately these people are either uneducated and ignorant, or they're the wealthy people who just wants to whinge for not being able to have their weekend brunches or go to the club.

The State government have politicized the approach to COVID and hesitated about going into a hard lockdown earlier so now we have this chaos going on.

The government now is doing a decent job, and offering financial support for people who cannot work. I hope these protestors lose access to any of this privilege.

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@letsberealistic - This is extremely sad because many are losing their businesses, jobs and now many if not all cannot see family.

It’s better than losing their life.

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The government didn't make it a health emergency, the virus did. I would have liked to see more arrests and I suppose they didn't use tear gas and water cannons because Australia is not North Korea or China or Cuba or the USA for that matter. These idiots make it worse for the rest of society. The State governments have generally handled things pretty well during the pandemic with a few slip-ups but the Federal government which has control over the international borders and the vaccination drive hasn't performed very well and were it not for States using lockdowns of varying degrees in their arsenal of responses we would be looking at COVID death in the thousands.

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Good to see that most Aussies with an interest in Japan (enough to subscribe here) are also level headed folk with a long term view of Australia's strengths. Not too many of the loony fringe here, apart from non-Aussies who think they know what's best for a country they barely understand.

Most of Australia has state governments who are unafraid to do what's needed, apart from the fools running NSW who thought they were smarter than the virus... for a while, until it became pretty tricky to get the genie back in the bottle, which may never happen.

Sure, we would not have been in this position if the national government hadn't tried to penny pinch on vaccines, so it will now be a few more months before there's any chance we can relax very much.

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Good, stay at home, it's for your own good, bunech of losers, look like the trumpys, lol..

This is what democracy looks like.

That is the big problem today, especially thanks to the the trumpylosers, to politicize all problems, this does not have to do with democracy but with the health of an entire community, if the basic rules of public health are not obeyed in the midst of a pandemis must suffer the consequences..

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These guys are complete idiots, they now locked down the state until Christmas... I don't get how stupid people can be

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They had like what 5-10 cases and did lockdown while Tokyo has 1k+ everyday and Olympics are on.

Well, last time I checked, Tokyo's population was bigger than Australia's population.

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What is the goal of the government in Australia?

Complete eradication at an extremely high price in treasure and lives lost to suicide and drug overdose with no cases forever?

Become a hermit island?

Keep the virus at a low level so as not to overwhelm the health care system?

Vaccinate 80% of the population and then open up to the world and live with it?

Accept the high cost in the lives of 80 year olds and let 'er rip?

Just what is their goal?

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@proxy The price for doing less than they do in Australia will be extraordinarily higher. Severe side problems that you’ve named must of course be addressed and handled, but probably can’t be fully avoided. However, it’s one of very few countries or regions that luckily have a concept and follow it because they know what the reasons for all this mess are and what follows otherwise, if not treated adequately. The rest of the world is really running high speed over the edge and even loudly celebrates it. That’s sheer unbelievable, how ignorant and stubbornly stupid those are.

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@Sven Asai

So, you are saying their goal is complete eradication with no cases forever?

That is fine, but impossible even when they reach 90% vaccinated.

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Gentle-Folk. ""The Big Picture"". Some can see it, some cannot!

Leaders who will not see the ""The Big Picture"" put lives at risk.

Protesters must learn to acknowledge ""The Big Picture:""

Short Term Pain = Long Term Gain.

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A 'zero covid' policy will require long term or complete isolation from the rest of the world.

Be careful what you wish for.

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proxy Today  12:34 am JST

What is the goal of the government in Australia?

Vaccinate 80% of the population and then open up to the world and live with it?

It's pretty much that one. And if our beloved PM had not arrogantly declared that vaccination was "not a race" but realized that actually, it IS a race, we could have been nearer that goal.

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Lunacy is not limited to a specific country, you have lunatics all over the world.

The cowards in the march attacked police horses, punching them and throwing stuff. What a vile bunch!!!!

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If they had done a better job of vaccinating, the "freedom" to die of Covid would not be an issue.

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using “public health” to prevent peaceful protest is wrong.

Liberals were against that during the riots of last summer, right?

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A protest during a pandemic is a protest during a pandemic.

the virus doesn’t make your distinctions as to reasons why people are protesting.

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A protest during a pandemic is a protest during a pandemic.

Except that I just showed how they aren't.

the virus doesn’t make your distinctions as to reasons why people are protesting.

I agree. That doesn't change that fact that it's a false equivalency. As I showed in my last post.

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Who cares about equivalence? Either people can get sick from public protests or they cant.

why the choosing of what the protest is about before liberals take a side of support or condemnation?

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