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Unfortunately the disastrous consequences of climate change are just beginning, and they are not going to improve even if humanity changed ways drastically at this point.

https://gallery.sunshinecoast.qld.gov.au/news/what-s-causing-australia-s-heat-wave

Australia, the same as many other countries, is already tasting a little of what the future has in reserve for the planet in general.

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Extreme fire ratings have been issued for large parts of Victoria with the Wimmera region in the west given a catastrophic ranking, the top warning level. Mildura, a rural city of about 56,000, could touch 45 degree Celsius, the Bureau of Meteorology said.

Mildura regularly gets into the 40s during summer. Nothing new here.

As for bushfires, they've happened annually in Australia since time immemorial, and the one around Beaufort is fed by plentiful undergrowth following a wet spring and a dry February. I know the area well. Despite what the doom-mongers are claiming, this is nothing out of the ordinary. Frightening if you're near them, though. While this fire seems to have been from a dry lightning strike, many others are deliberately lit or started due to criminally stupid negligence.

Cook said it was disappointing that a man allegedly drove a car on its rims, sparking spot fires along the Western Highway near the current fire zone on Sunday night.

Triple-zero callers reported a green Mitsubishi Magna was travelling on its rims in Buangor, 180 kilometres west of Melbourne, after 6pm. Sparks from the car allegedly lit four separate small fires in grass along the highway that fire crews then extinguished.

In a statement, Victoria Police said the vehicle was driven erratically into the fire-affected town of Beaufort, at times on the wrong side of the road, before nearly hitting a pedestrian.

A 27-year-old Sebastopol man was charged with two counts of reckless conduct endangering serious injury, driving while disqualified, careless driving and using an unroadworthy and unregistered motor vehicle.

Beaufort had to be evacuated last week as a bushfire bore down on the town before a wind change pushed it away to the north-east.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/driver-accused-of-sparking-spot-fires-in-bushfire-danger-zone/ar-BB1iRVEH

As it turns out, temperatures have been several degrees below the forecast highs, and there's been rain as well in the area.

In fact, the predictions heading into the current southern summer were for catastrophe due to the El Nino. Ultimately though, the El Nino has been milder than expected and the forecast calamity didn't unfold.

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Yeah Nah, These fire are the result of bad forest management. If they burnt off every winter annually climate change is not a factor in the Australia landscape. When they stop the First Nation people practice of annual burnt off fire these Mega fire started to occur. Tasmania have had a problems with mega fire since the genocide of the First Nation people of the island as early late 1800,s. Main land Australia never had these mega fire until the stopping the First Nation people annually burn off.

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These fire are the result of bad forest management.

There's a lot of truth to that. The greenies in local councils and state environment departments won't allow land owners to clear scrub and do burn-offs or build firebreaks, so the fuel loads build up, making for tinderboxes just waiting for a fire to come along.

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Mildura regularly gets into the 40s during summer. Nothing new here.

The reference makes it very clear is not just reaching 40 degrees but 48 or even 49 degrees, and that this is definitely something new, specially because is projected to worsen.

As for bushfires, they've happened annually in Australia since time immemorial

Which does nothing to refute the fact that getting more frequent or intense is a huge problem. No doomsayers, just experts proving with data that this is a very important problem, and yes, it is not something ordinary or normal.

While this fire seems to have been from a dry lightning strike, many others are deliberately lit or started due to criminally stupid negligence

The climate change related conditions that make it more likely for fires to get out of control no matter how they are originated, fires that would have been small or self limited before are now much more likely to become disastrous, and that applies if the origin is completely natural or people are involved.

Ultimately though, the El Nino has been milder than expected and the forecast calamity didn't unfold.

Being lower than predicted do not mean they are lower than normal, and the article you are commenting in clearly describe the extremely important negative consequences it is having.

Yeah Nah, These fire are the result of bad forest management

Again, still something that is affected by climate change, just saying that evacuations and deaths are not important does not make them so, the fires are a huge problem and being potentiated by climate change, that is why the experts are worried about it, not being able to grasp its importance is not the same as it disappearing, that is more related to scientific illiteracy than lack of danger.

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Mate if there no fuel there is no mega fire. Fire and Mega fire are totally different animals. Climate change is not a factor when there is no fuel to fuel a Mega fire in the Australia landscape. It obvious you have never been the Australian landscape or you would know this. Have you ever experience a Mega fire. You don,t hang around to fight one these monsters. You head for a safe place until it passes. Hence the notice given to not to stay and fight. Climate change effect cool climate forest where there was never a need for annual burn off because the ground moisture content have never dry up until recently because of Climate change. With climate change the floor of cool forest dry out and became a huge problem. The expert for the Australian bush are the First Nation people and if we listen to them there would be no mega fires. Off course there will always be fire but these type of burn themself out due to no fuel.

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Mate if there no fuel there is no mega fire. 

Climate change is providing the fuel, is clearly explained in the reference provided that show how climate change is one of the reasons why the fires can be more powerful.

Trying to ignore the pertinent information already offered that explain why the experts in the field are worried do not contradict those experts, only shows why you have that mistaken opinion.

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its happening there every year for thousands of years...

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Do you know anything about bushfires in Australia other than the alarmist stuff you repeat?

What makes you think the information provided in the reference, that clearly mention the scientific institutions involved depend in any way on something I personally originate? you are not trying to contradict nameless people on the internet, you are trying to contradict valid authorities on the field that say this is derived from climate change and a serious issue.

its happening there every year for thousands of years...

Not to the current degree of importance, and this is something that is projected to increase in the future, so no, this is not just the usual.

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Virusrex, the BOM is known for fudging data to affirm certain political beliefs. The rot goes deep.

https://joannenova.com.au/2019/11/raw-data-bombshell-no-change-in-very-hot-days-in-australia-since-world-war-i/

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https://joannenova

In a shocking surprise to noone, climate change denialists are denying climate change.

https://media.bom.gov.au/releases/20/bureau-of-meteorology-media-statement-no-1-climate-records/

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Mate you burn off annually every winter that why we never had Mega fires until they stop the annually burn offs. Fuel build up occurs from NOT BURNING OFF annually . No fuel no MEGA Fires. It that simple. Like Bad haircut stated. You have proven one thing by not fully evaluating what people are telling you. They are not denying climate change we are denying your knowledge of the subject and a scientific study of a few recent years don,t have more credence this 50,000 years of living in harmony with the landscape. If you can not understand I am feel sorry for you.

This has been the wetness and coldest summer I can remember in my area 300 south of Sydney. Here is the data of every day this summer from BOM station at Moruya airport not 5 km from my place so you can understand what you read in studies does not reflect the reality.

http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDN60801/IDN60801.95937.shtml

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Virusrex, the BOM is known for fudging data to affirm certain political beliefs.

So, not a single institution of science in the world thas support that invalid conclusion, so you have to rely on sources well known to push falsehoods? It should be expected, when every country is experiencing record high temperatures in the last few years it would be impossible to believe only Australia hasn't. That is not being realist, is trying to mislead people on purpose for profit.

Mate you burn off annually every winter that why we never had Mega fires until they stop the annually burn offs.

Again, the experts on the field are the ones saying that the current trend is not normal nor is common, repeating the same claim without addressing the argument that refutes it (in this case that climate change is the one that is increasing the fuel that potentiates the fires) means you accepted the argument refuted your point and you could not do anything against it.

This has been the wetness and coldest summer I can remember in my area 300 south of Sydney

So on one side we have the experts that have followed climate for decades and can show the data that supports the claim that climate change is increasing the temperatures in Australia and making the wildfires more intense and dangerous.

On the other side nameless people on the internet that say science is wrong and he is right and uses as a source "trust me bro".

Not exactly difficult to see who is in the wrong here.

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First off, those still denying the reality of climate change are the equivalent of the Covid19 patients struggling for enough breath to deny they have Covid to the hospital staff preparing to intubate them.

Secondly, the entire time I lived in Slave Lake, Alberta, every spring our fire department spent days overseeing the crews that went around the entire perimeter of the community burning off vegetation that had grown the previous year.

Third, the 'Legacy Center', built when much of the community was destroyed by a wildfire, played host most years to those evacuated from further north communities that had to be evacuated because of wildfires, including the year Slave Lake itself was under a 24 hour evacuation alert (meaning at any moment the siren and text message system could sound the alarm and we'd have 24 hours to evacuate) so no, 'bad forest practices' that were changed from 'put every fire out, every time' to 'it needs to burn, just control it so it doesn't kill people' a decade earlier may play a small roll in one or two of the hundreds of fires, but climate change plays a roll in them ALL.

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Tei UkaToday  05:25 pm JST

https://joannenova

In a shocking surprise to noone, climate change denialists are denying climate change.

Nup, just people who understand how to analyse data and identify that the issue is being greatly exaggerated, and the proposals and measures for fixing the issue are far worse than the issue itself. But hey, if you want to subscribe to the climate doom cult, I won't stop you.

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people who understand how to analyse data

People who need to misrepresent and twist data to fit their pretend reality that demands that literally every scientific institution in the world is somehow too malicious and/or too stupid to read thermometers. Mh-hm.

As a sidenote, I find it fascinating that climate change denialist blogs like the one you link above can't manage to publish a single article without screaming hyperbole, while at the same time declaring anyone that doubts them to be hysterical "cultists".

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As a sidenote, I find it fascinating that climate change denialist blogs like the one you link above can't manage to publish a single article without screaming hyperbole, while at the same time declaring anyone that doubts them to be hysterical "cultists".

I guess you never bother reading the sources they link to, such as peer-reviewed studies as well as the preposterous claims of the people developing the policies. But that's par for the course for the types of people who resort to the slur of "denialist".

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I guess you never bother reading the sources they link to, such as peer-reviewed studies as well as the preposterous claims of the people developing the policies. But that's par for the course for the types of people who resort to the slur of "denialist".

Very denialist comment.

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Nup, just people who understand how to analyse data and identify that the issue is being greatly exaggerated

Apparently your source is not included in this category, they are unable to refute the valid criticisms of how they misrepresent the data, which is again expected since it would require professional scientists on multiple countries to be all wrong on very basic science, which is not believable.

A cult would be believing people that have been repeatedly found to misrepresent data or even fabricate it must be right no matter what, while the whole scientific community of the world (with data to support their findings) must be wrong, that is not a rational position to take, it is a fanatic beleif.

I guess you never bother reading the sources they link to, such as peer-reviewed studies as well as the preposterous claims of the people developing the policies

The studies (as in general, the whole of literature) support completely the conclusion of climate change and its dire consequences, the problem with your source is that it has been found to cut and hide information to misrepresent those studies to push for an invalid conclusion.

Also you confuse the solid position of science about climate change with policies, even if one measure is obviously wrong that has absolutely no relevance to the description of the problem and its consequences.

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Virusrex, the BOM is known for fudging data to affirm certain political beliefs. The rot goes deep.

Yes the BOM have been pushing this as the hottest summer on record, when all south east of Australia has had the coolest and wettest summer ever recorded. The Data don,t support the BOM narrative.

I say it again I believe in Climate change. But will not believe the narrative BOM is pushing when their when Data proves the opposite.

http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDN60801/IDN60801.95937.shtml

Why do the BOM and science push propaganda to gain the narrative because the politic is moving to slow in their opinion. So they resort to a fear campaign to pressure the Politic to move faster on moving away from fossil fuels to green energy. Data don't lie but humans will.

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