Three new ships with grain leave Ukraine under landmark deal

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Amnesty International seems to be confirming what a lot of posters have been saying-

"Being in a defensive position does not exempt the Ukrainian military from compliance with international humanitarian law," said Amnesty International Secretary General Agnès Callamard.

Amnesty International claims “Ukrainian forces have put civilians in harm’s way by establishing bases and operating weapons systems in populated residential areas, including in schools and hospitals, as they repelled the Russian invasion that began in February.”

Amnesty International seems to be confirming what a lot of posters have been saying-

There really is no bar the right won't slither under to criticize Ukraine.

Hey you want to know how to limit civilian casualties in Ukraine? By not invading in the first place. No criticism of Russia though.

tell it to Amnesty International, its their comment.

tell it to Amnesty International, its their comment.

Right, but they're not the one on this site whining.

They're not the ones using this to try (and fail) yet again to prove how Ukraine is in the wrong.

Ukraine ban, Russia good. We get it.

ok grain shipment.

the grain is going to UK and Ireland, who bought it?

and where is the money paid for it going to (government or a company?)

and for what purpose will it be used (weapons or the citizens or company profits)?

can the profit money received be used to start repaying the Billions of dollars the US has given to Ukraine?

ummmm....JAN 6TH!!!!!

Oh wait...never mind, forgot you dont know anything else but that.

They're not the ones using this to try (and fail) yet again to prove how Ukraine is in the wrong.

they actually are. their statement clearly and factually indicates Ukraine as being in the wrong.

might wanna try to read the statement again.

That ship looks quite old and a bit rusty.

might wanna try to read the statement again.

Yeah, or maybe you might want to read the whole report there again.

Funny you missed this line:

Not every Russian attack documented by Amnesty International followed this pattern, however. In certain other locations in which Amnesty International concluded that Russia had committed war crimes, including in some areas of the city of Kharkiv, the organization did not find evidence of Ukrainian forces located in the civilian areas unlawfully targeted by the Russian military.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/08/ukraine-ukrainian-fighting-tactics-endanger-civilians/

Funny how that one was glossed over. Wonder why, hmmm....

RedstormToday  04:47 pm JST

There is no rust on the grain carrier.

God speed![

Lots of rust on that ship. Probably painted after leaving it exposed to the sea too long.

> POLARNET (IMO: 9758961) is a General Cargo that was built in 2016 (6 years ago) and is sailing under the flag of Turkey

Normal amount of rust after 6 years.

The deal is not new, it has been on the table for a long time. It was the Zelenski regime that has been blocking it, by mining sea access to Odessa and hiding military assets in Odessa. Looks like finally Zelenski is coming under pressure to be more responsible. I hope that Zelenski will be removed and replaced with a more sensible government.

It was the Zelenski regime that has been blocking it, by mining sea access to Odessa and hiding military assets in Odessa.

No, Russia has been blocking it by declaring it's intention to invade Odessa. By attacking Odessa and other ports.

Looks like finally Zelenski is coming under pressure to be more responsible.

The waters remain mined, and ships are guided through safe passage ways left for Ukraine ships. That has not altered.

I hope that Zelenski will be removed and replaced with a more sensible government.

That is a matter for Ukraine citizens at the next general election Ukraine holds. I hope Putin will be removed and replaced with a more sensible government.

More than 100,000 tons of grain shipped. How many lives will that save?

Too bad Moscow is ruled by a homicidal maniac.

Amnesty is correct about this tactic.

Yes, and they're also correct in pointing out Russian war crimes in Ukraine.

takeda.shingen.1991

Rabu from Ukraine ~

Glenn,name someone who live on grain along,you need meat to a sandwich

RedstormToday  06:15 pm JST

Recent photos of the ship show it is not old 2016 or rusty.

There's a picture attached to this article, so you can take a look at the rust.

@takeda.shingen.1991@gmail.com

Hey you want to know how to limit civilian casualties in Ukraine? By not invading in the first place

Hey you want to know how to limit civilian casualties in Ukraine? In the first place, by not starting a civil war, by not unleashing the swastika-brandishing Hitler-loving nationalist thugs on peaceful populace. By not killing the people of Donbass for eight years.

Yes, and they're also correct in pointing out Russian war crimes in Ukraine

If even Amnesty finally admitted massive Ukrainian war crimes it means they are so widespread and horrible that no longer can be overlooked. There is a reason why the locals are so everwhelmengly against the regime.

@Peter14

That is a matter for Ukraine citizens at the next general election Ukraine holds.

Donbass fighters alongside the Russian army are Ukrainian citizens. And I hope they'll make Zelensky and his regime accountable for all their crimes.

Hey you want to know how to limit civilian casualties in Ukraine? In the first place, by not starting a civil war, by not unleashing the swastika-brandishing Hitler-loving nationalist thugs on peaceful populace. By not killing the people of Donbass for eight years.

Lmao Who do you think you're kidding, comrade? If Russia were so concerned with civilian casualties then they would have sued for peace and not armed rebels? They didn't. They chose to arm rebels; Rebels who now back reintegration into Russia. Your Kremlin talking points are fooling no one. I love the pro-Kremlin fan-fiction. It is hilarious. They should write comedy.

If even Amnesty finally admitted massive Ukrainian war crimes it means they are so widespread and horrible that no longer can be overlooked. There is a reason w

Yawn. They also wrote about numerous Russian war crimes, talk about those pall. Try defending the castration of Ukrainian POWs by Russian war criminals. Who do you think you're kidding?

Given that Zelensky has already tried to sabotage the deal by encouraging nations to seize ship loads of Russian grain under the pretext that if he isn't paid a cut, it must be stolen, how long before this deal blows up (possibly quite literally if one of Zelensky's mines takes out a ship) is anyone's guess.

Occams Razor suggests…

…..a totally fabricated, implausible conspiracy theory that Putin would be proud of?

Of course it makes sense that a leader of a country at war would kill and mutilate his own people, including war heroes, and put the blame on the invaders in order to terrify the survivors and convince them not to go over to the enemy. /s

Occams Razor suggests the simplest, most obvious fact: that the invaders, whose very invasion of the country is in itself a crime, are the ones killing Ukrainians, the ones committing war crimes. The ones who hopefully in the not too distant future will be made to pay in spades for the crimes they are committing.

@takeda.shingen.1991@gmail.com

Who do you think you're kidding, comrade? If Russia were so concerned with civilian casualties then they would have sued for peace and not armed rebels? They didn't.

Who do you think you're kidding, pal? Russia was not a part of the conflict when it started, it could not "sue for peace". And how do you imagine "peace" with gangs of bloothirsty thugs who came just to kill you? In Odessa on May 2, 2014 they burned alive dozens of people, clubbing to death anyone who tried to get out from the burning building. In Donbass they bombed and shelled cities with airplanes and heavy artillery while people there had almost nothing but rifles. How do you imagine peace with such animals?

Your Kremlin talking points are fooling no one

Your Kyev talking points are fooling no one

Yawn. They also wrote about numerous Russian war crimes, talk about those pall

Yawn? At war crimes? Why I'm not surprised by such attitude...

They wrote nonsense about Russian war crimes while completely ignoring Ukrainian crimes. Awake at last. Must be Ukrainians overdid themselves.

Try defending the castration of Ukrainian POWs by Russian war criminals

Try defending the torture and shootings of wounded Russian POWs by Ukrainian war criminals. There were several videos a couple of months ago.

Strangeland,If the leadership of Ukraine cared,they would spent the money to protect their people , instead of continuing their corrupt ways,a country social , political and personal problems ,has an effect internally,when you do not deal with them ,it only complicate them especially when you at war

Strangeland,If the leadership of Ukraine cared,they would spent the money to protect their people , instead of continuing their corrupt ways

If they were less corrupt, would they be less invaded? Hmmm…

Considering that Russia is far more corrupt, why isn’t anyone invading them?