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Three white Americans go on trial in death of black jogger in Georgia

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I saw the video of these three yahoos in action against Arbery and I just could not believe their collective stupidity. Why in God's name did they take matters into their own hands and not call the police straight away? It is not as if there was any imminent threat to person or property.

By accounts Arbery was a wrong 'un, but you cannot go hunting down folks in the street.

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A year and half later after the crime was committed. And 3 months to initially arrest them. I wonder what took so long?

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This really should be an open and shut case. None of these guys was a current police officer. They had no right to run him down and stop him. They tried to run him off the road several times while he was jogging. They brandished weapons and when he justly defended himself, they shot him.

In 45 out of 50 States, this case would have been tried, a conviction would have been handed down, a sentence imposed and these three paragons of society would already be getting to know their fellow inmates by now.

Unfortunately the "great" state of Georgia is one of the other 5, so.... flip a coin and pray to one's preferred deity on this one.

Stand by for the "We thought he was robbing a construction site!" (For starters, he wasn't. Furthermore, there's this thing called a telephone. When one sees suspicious behavior, one calls the cops. It's what they are paid to do; and not for nothing, the police have the right to stop people for questioning, average white civilians do not.)

When that fails, there will be the "He fought us and we had to defend ourselves!" After you tried and failed to run him off the road and threatened him with a gun which you had no legal right to do. Castle theory does not apply when you are not in your castle.

The final desperate howl of the white defendant will be "They are good boys and were in fear for their lives!" Um, 3 on 1, 2 of them have firearms. What exactly was there to fear again? And again, they put themselves into that position. Fearing for one's life does not apply when you run a guy down, threaten him with a gun and then he starts whipping your butt.

They are guilty as the GA summer sun is hot. Will it result in a conviction? Flip a coin and pray that the prosecutor did good work in jury selection.

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The "title"... the label... the endless labeling of Americans to trigger heated discussions and racist debates...

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Ain’t that the Truth, X-Man

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I am not familiar with American law, but in Georgia if I somehow feel that a random dude in the street may be a criminal, I can just pull a gun and arrest him/her?

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These gun-toting empowered yahoos thought that, since they were white, and Arbery was black, that they would police things themselves....and collect a trophy at the same time. It's hard to decipher what southern redneck gun-nuts think or do but it's nothing good, believe me. Let's hope justice will prevail...and that the culture will change as a result.

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I am not familiar with American law, but in Georgia if I somehow feel that a random dude in the street may be a criminal, I can just pull a gun and arrest him/her?

As wild as America is, this is still not allowed. Let alone kill them.

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if I somehow feel that a random dude in the street may be a criminal, I can just pull a gun and arrest him/her?

yes, citizen's arrest. Georgia was the first state to repeal this type of law after this happened. It now is only allowed for shopkeepers and restaurants and such situations.

https://www.npr.org/2021/05/11/995835333/in-ahmaud-arberys-name-georgia-repeals-citizens-arrest-law

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Why is the race important?

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Why is the race important?

Um, probably because they tried to pull him over and why they felt empowered to shoot him for no reason.

AND they probably wouldn't have faced any charges at all if one of these Goobers hadn't be stupid enough TO FILM THE ENTIRE ENCOUNTER HIMSELF.

(Kinda dovetails with the other article about Trump's supporters being dumb enough to think that they could rep themselves.)

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Best leave it to the professionals and lay off the dog bounty hunter.

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Those three racists need the full weight of the law and max prison time.

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or nothing to do with race at all. they saw him come out of the construction site he illegally entered, knew that things had been stolen from those sites, and overreacted against a suspected thief.

Which is covered under citizens arrest. and backed up by the video of the jogger not jogging or being dressed for jogging, but being inside someone's home illegally. this is why we have a trial, to learn such things.

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I am not familiar with American law, but in Georgia if I somehow feel that a random dude in the street may be a criminal, I can just pull a gun and arrest him/her?

In most jurisdictions where citizen's arrest is allowed, you must personally witness the crime taking place. This was the case in Georgia before the law was changed in response to this incident. So, no you couldn't arrest a 'random dude' if you felt he may be a criminal, but you could if you personally saw him trespassing onto properties in your neighborhood.

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This senseless homicide is what can happen when you're not schooled in CRT. Let's hope justice will be served on them so they sit many a long year to catch up on the social changes taking place outside and what'll be going down for "white and black" folk in "the Land of the Free". When they are finally released, it is to be hoped that they will have truly repented the grievous error of their thinking and deed most foul.

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Nothing was found on Ahmaud Arbery's body. He didn't steal anything.

Even if he did take something, which he did not, the punishment is not death.

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and backed up by the video of the jogger not jogging or being dressed for jogging, but being inside someone's home illegally. 

Trespassing you mean. You were lenient on, in fact rather dismissive of that crime just yesterday. What changed your mind I wonder.

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Blacklabel

or nothing to do with race at all. they saw him come out of the construction site he illegally entered, knew that things had been stolen from those sites, and overreacted against a suspected thief.

> Which is covered under citizens arrest. and backed up by the video of the jogger not jogging or being dressed for jogging, but being inside someone's home illegally. this is why we have a trial, to learn such things.

Where did you get that from? The guy was out jogging in the road which he did every day.

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Um, probably because they tried to pull him over and why they felt empowered to shoot him for no reason.

Not quite. Arbery was jogging along the road when one of these fools decided to escalate the situation: he leapt from his pickup and started waving his piece at Arbery. Fearing for his safety, he made a lunge for the gun and got shot in the process. I guess he thought it was either that or get shot in the back.

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In 2019, 2,906 Blacks in America were murdered in any way; of these, 246 out of 2,906 African American homicides were due to White American convicts, or 8.46% of the total cases of Black homicides. (Blacks were responsible for 2,574 of these African American homicides, by the way, or 88.5% of the total.

3,299 Whites victims of homicide in 2019...African American convicts were responsible for 566 of these, or 17.15%! of all homicides against whites.

African Americans represent a small fraction of all Americans, not even close to being 2 in every 10, yet they murder Whites at MORE THAN DOUBLE the rate that Whites do Blacks. FACTS!

But do we hear such facts in the media? Ever? Never! Even the headline of this atrocious attempt to stir racial hatred in America focuses on what it loves to focus on most, “White” racism.

But if Blacks are killing Whites at double the rates of Whites killing Blacks, does this make Blacks “doubly racist?” LOL. You will NEVER hear that claim, because the truth is not the goal of such race-baiting “journalism”. Downplay, downplay who is murdering whom, because the Truth...IS TOO INCONVENIENT FOR MANY.

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Trespassing you mean. You were lenient on, in fact rather dismissive of that crime just yesterday. What changed your mind I wonder.

Trespassing was a crime punishable by imprisonment yesterday to you. Now its "fine" and doesnt mean anything at all.

What changed your own mind? I only made the point that the lawyer said "nothing" linked him to a crime. Yet the video shows him trespassing, which is a serious crime that demands prison, according to you yesterday.

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But do we hear such facts in the media? Ever? Never! 

Let me guess, you had to do your own research. I’m hearing about it now, from you, will you be silenced? Take it right to the top, it’s too dangerous to post such confidential information here!

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Where did you get that from?

the attire he was wearing in the video that CNN posted right before he died of him in someone's home, illegally. Wearing clothes and shoes of the type not usually worn for jogging.

Where did you get that he jogs in this neighborhood everyday? did that time period correspond with the theft that had been happening? again, this is why there is a trial.

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I would like to see the evidence that the three accused are White supremacists, or goobers, or gun nuts. Seems that perhaps some posters here have information that needs to come to light... anyway, put them on trial, let the process go through.

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Georgia's (old) citizen's arrest law:

A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.

I can't find anything about the use of deadly force in a citizen's arrest specifically, but for sherrifs and peace officers it is (was):

(b) Sheriffs and peace officers ... may use deadly force to apprehend a suspected felon only when the officer reasonably believes that the suspect possesses a deadly weapon or any object, device, or instrument which, when used offensively against a person, is likely to or actually does result in serious bodily injury; when the officer reasonably believes that the suspect poses an immediate threat of physical violence to the officer or others; or when there is probable cause to believe that the suspect has committed a crime involving the infliction or threatened infliction of serious physical harm. Nothing in this Code section shall be construed so as to restrict such sheriffs or peace officers from the use of such reasonable nondeadly force as may be necessary to apprehend and arrest a suspected felon or misdemeanant.

www.law.justia.com/codes/georgia/

I can't see a case for these guys, but I ain't a lawyer. More eggregious was the fact that "Local prosecutors, for whom Gregory McMichael, a retired police officer, had worked for a long time, did not make any arrests in the case for nearly three months.

"It was only after the video of the shooting was leaked online and shared widely on social media that the case was transferred to state police and the three suspects were arrested and charged."

It seems they hoped the case would go away.

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BlacklabelToday 12:26 pm JST

or nothing to do with race at all. they saw him come out of the construction site he illegally entered, knew that things had been stolen from those sites, and overreacted against a suspected thief.

> Which is covered under citizens arrest. and backed up by the video of the jogger not jogging or being dressed for jogging, but being inside someone's home illegally. this is why we have a trial, to learn such things.

BS. It had EVERYTHING to do with race. Oh, and more thing: IT WASN'T A CITIZENS ARREST. It was MURDER. They didn't arrest him and the shooting was covered up. What the hell does 'dressed for jogging' even mean? What you wrote is the basis of exactly what is wrong in this case.

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Do you suggest this had no racial component and these bigots would have shot anyone !!!

Yup.

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Anything whites do to Black people has a racial component, immediately. It only happened because of race of the victim. nothing else to be said, heard or considered.

I see someone has never been to GA or any other Deep South states where jogging while Black, Driving while black, Oh let's just skip all the other causes and say "Breathing while Black" is good enough reason for entitled white people to take the law into their own hands.

Arbury had not been accused of a crime, having a look at a construction site is hardly massive criminal behavior and not for nothing I seriously doubt if the poster in question is qualified to judge what passes for "appropriate jogging shoes" for an underprivileged black man.

Yeah, we bring up race because race is the reason he was chased, shot, and the reason his attackers almost escaped being brought to justice.

Anyone who claims otherwise is totally ignorant of American, particularly Southern history and/or is purposely trying to mislead on the facts of the case.

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If anyone can have a legitimate anger, its Asians.

They are murdered over and over in racial based crimes by Black people and get nothing. No long term media coverage, no funeral tours, no statues, no names on football jerseys, no million dollar payouts. nothing.

It actually WAS a citizen's arrest. then the jogger reached for the gun and started an altercation that led to his own death.

The responsibility lies with those 3 men, who should have just called the police. They will likely be found guilty of murder due to their poor choice to confront this guy over some minor theft. But if the falsely accused person had just waited for the police to arrive instead of fighting armed men, he would be with us today.

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 this had no racial component and these bigots would have shot anyone !!!

yes and yes.

ANYONE who they thought was a thief and who, when confronted, fought them and tried to take their gun(!?)

Yep they are getting shot in Georgia.

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Someone who doesn't understand basic racism asked:

Why is the race important?

Someone who hasn't a clue responded:

Because the msm needs clicks as many as possible and race is always a magnet to draw in readers and viewers

Not quite satisfied, digs the hole deeper:

Of course that’s bad, horrible and I hope they get punished for the crime at the same time, how many whites have been attacked and murdered by blacks and the media selectively chooses not to cover the story? A lot. All I’m saying is all violent crimes and victims of these crimes should be acknowledged, not only the black victims

This might be difficult to understand, so I will try my best to be clear and concise.

This is a case of systematic racism, according to the civil suit filed by the victim's mother. It alleges that the murder was covered by local prosecutors. The defendant is a white ex-cop. The victim was black.

I don't think anyone with an ounce of intelligences believes that the defendants would have hunted this jogger if had been white. This is why race matters. Maybe you're not familiar with the geo-political landscape of the USA. Georgia is part of the south that fault a war against the USA so they could keep black people as slaves. Georgia has a deep history of racism including KKK and mob lynchings of black men by white people.

Race is clearly, clearly a factor in this case.

Furthermore that you feel the need to counter the mention of the victim's race (while it is a clear factor in the civil suit), by questioning unrelated alleged cases where the victim was white (yet fail to specify said cases), shows a lot about yourself.

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Three armed white men, none of whom were law enforcement personnel, illegally stopped a black man (No, running down a guy on the street does not constitute a legal "Citizen's arrest") and shot him when he resisted. This isn't self-defense. This isn't something the deceased brought upon himself. This is a racially based murder.

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But if the falsely accused person had just waited for the police to arrive instead of fighting armed men, he would be with us today.

You've no right to say how anyone would or should have reacted in that situation. Chased by three men in two vehicles while out for a jog, and approached by one of them brandishing a rifle. It's a fight or flight situation. If you're saying you'd have just waited patiently with the armed men who'd chased you down you're a damn liar.

Yes, he trespassed on a construction site, and sure it was closed in (roof and walls but no doors/windows) but it wasn't even breaking and entering, and it's not as if it was someone's home. And what was he going to take with him as he jogged away in his t-shirt and shorts? Lumber? A power saw? No, you're defending the indefensible. I'm interested in the construction process and often have a look in or at sites to see where they are in the various stages. Admittedly I wouldn't enter one that was closed in, but it's hardly a major crime.

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I believe one of the accused had had past dealings with the victim when the accused was in law enforcement. That may be why he was targeted while cruising the neighbourhood. If his criminal record was known by one of the accused, that would have some impact on the incident as well. Not saying it justifies the shooting in any way, but may help explain why the confrontation took place.

It is one thing to say, "three white guys target and kill random black jogger" and quite another to say, "three citizens attempt arrest on known and convicted thief".

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It is one thing to say, "three white guys target and kill random black jogger" and quite another to say, "three citizens attempt arrest on known and convicted thief".

Then try saying something closer to the truth between the two rather than aiming for extremes.

The headline is factual, anything read into it and subsequent panties bunching says more about you than the headline.

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Not saying it justifies the shooting in any way, but may help explain why the confrontation took place.

As was quoted earlier, you cannot legally detain someone on the street on the mere suspicion that they might have been involved in a crime; you have either got to catch the perp in flagrante or be a direct witness to him committing a crime.

These woodpeckers had another option: keep Arbery under surveilance and call the police.

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yes and yes. 

What clear thinking dear sir??

ANYONE who they thought was a thief and who, when confronted, fought them and tried to take their gun(!?)

And why would the assume this man was a thief, I mean other than his race?

Yep they are getting shot in Georgia.

You mean joggers are getting shot in Georgia?

Do they hate exercising over there???

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It is one thing to say, "three white guys target and kill random black jogger" and quite another to say, "three citizens attempt arrest on known and convicted thief".

From looking at the video, it seems to me they were not 'attempting an arrest'. They were waiting for him guns at the ready, and he was fighting for his life from the very start.

Even if he were a 'known and convicted thief', that does not excuse these three gun nutter's actions.

Is theft (for which the perpetrator has already been charged, convicted and presumably punished) punishable by summary execution in citizens in the US?

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