Times Square is back open on New Year's Eve — with vax proof

Must be getting annoying for those clinging to their illogical anti vaccine stance.

However, I doubt they will be able to check everyone turning up.

Hundreds of thousands of people there to celebrate

How will you guys here judge this?

Big spreader event or not?

How many of the hundreds of thousands have and will spread the virus even they are vaccined? (Especially to the people who can not be vaccined but also will join).

How many of the hundreds of thousands will wear a mask even they are vaccined?

over will be asked to show proof of full vaccination

What about the 34 million Americans who took 1 dose but for whatever reason declined the 2nd?

They can’t go. They aren’t vaccinated. You ask this question every morning but already know the answer. Will you ask again tomorrow?

And how on earth exactly will this occur?

By barricading everything and then checking each person who turns up for Vax ID? Sounds like long queues of crowded virus ridden spaces.

Not to mention in NYC you’ll have hundreds of jumpers trying to get in unchecked.

30,000 security personnel needed :)

It’s a good thing Corona Virus isn’t a big problem in the States.

With the advent of vaccines, the city’s public celebrations have been on the upswing in 2021. The Macy’s Fourth of July fireworks once again welcomed crowds to gather and watch as fireworks lit up the sky, and some parades have returned to city streets.

Good to hear.

They need to drive up the information and vaccination campaign. More people vaccinated, less risk for everyone.

The willingly unvaccinated are unwelcome and won’t be missed. There, we’ve answers your question.

same answer tomorrow and the next day as well.

Ahh, right....

So, what is the minimum system requirement to attend?

Is it COVID Jab 2x or will attendees be required to upgrade to COVID Jab 2x (Booster v1.0 Upgrade)??

Will those with the Booster Upgrade get preferential seating?

The one good thing?

This super-spreader event will result in the jabbed getting infected, being hospitalized in many cases, and dying in some cases....

And it will be the fault of the unjabbed....

Even though they aren't allowed to be there!

Science, my friends!

The one good thing?

This super-spreader event will result in the jabbed getting infected, being hospitalized in many cases, and dying in some cases....

And it will be the fault of the unjabbed....

That's just sick and twisted thinking.

This is why I said before that I welcome the vac passes though I don't mind mingling with unvaccinated people.

It's not the unvaccinated I'm concerned about but the nut antivaxers

Bush, remember this is NYC, not America. People and businesses are fleeing NYC so it's not exactly the shining beacon on the hill. DeBlasio has done his best to run the city into the ground, but thankfully his days are numbered.

Did they explain the "science" (remember that?)? Of course not, as science has shown it is safe to have tens of thousands of fans with no masks packed like sardines in stadiums for hours since April. Times Square is outdoors.

Over 2,500 people died just yesterday in the US from Covid (virtually all unvaccinated) and infections are increasing in many states. If the US keeps this trend up it will eventually run out of unvaccinated people.

. If the US keeps this trend up it will eventually run out of unvaccinated people

Yeah as I've said before there'd be less and less unvaccinated one way or another.

Of course the vaccinated get infected and die too, but at a far lesser rate

Merry X-mas, merry X-ray.

People who can't be vaccinated because of a disability will have to provide proof of a negative COVID-19 test, he said.

Now if you have a “disability” you can test instead?

what’s the science behind this one? Wouidnt a negative test also show that non disabled are free of infection?

while vaccinated people (who can be infected) have no test at all?

Now if you have a “disability” you can test instead?

what’s the science behind this one? Wouidnt a negative test also show that non disabled are free of infection?

while vaccinated people (who can be infected) have no test at all?

Yup yup yup

what’s the science behind this one?

while vaccinated people (who can be infected) have no test at all?

Absolutely!

They let unvaccinated people with a "disability" join this event, even they can get infected very easily by a vaccinated person who has the Virus, but do not know it, because of no test.

There is zero logic behind that!

Therefore I said in my first post this morning:

How many of the hundreds of thousands have and will spread the virus even they are vaccinated? (Especially to the people who can not be vaccinated but also will join).

And during the last weeks we all get informed that the protection of the vaccine will go down a lot after a few months.

So how many of these hundreds of thousands had their second shot already 6-7 months ago, and are not fully protected anymore? (And did not yet receive a booster shot).

But if this event comes up as a Non Spreader Event, if there is no increase of infections and hospitalizations in New York because of that event, we all can know that the Covid fear is over and that we can get back to our normal lives.

This event looks like a test.

Bring hundred of thousands together, most of them probably without masks, many of them vaccinated but probably infected without knowing, many of them unvaccinated because of health issues...

Let us wait and see the outcome of this.

Now if you have a “disability” you can test instead?

what’s the science behind this one? Wouidnt a negative test also show that non disabled are free of infection?

while vaccinated people (who can be infected) have no test at all?

It's not science, it's spite.

It's not science, it's spite.

It's not spite, it's reason.

They weren't unvaccinated by choice so should be excluded from the restriction.

Like in schools. Some kids can't be vaccinated due to health reasons. Not right to bar them from schools

The walls are closing on on the unvaccinated - All every health service wants is NOT to be overwhelmed by COVID patients, and whatever excuses the anti-vaxxers come up with, the vaccines and boosters ARE keeping numbers out of hospital. Not everyone, but an awful lot.

Crowds will once again fill New York's Times Square this New Year's Eve, with proof of COVID-19 vaccination required for revelers who want to watch the ball drop in person, Mayor Bill de Blasio announced Tuesday.

No mask requirement? And how many of those people received their second vax more than 6 months ago?

So a mass of people will be standing close to each other for an extended period of time, and what, 70%(or less) protection, so what's the risk of a number of people getting infected as a result?

Oh, I said the same thing basically as Monty. Thumbs up for him.

MontyToday  07:21 am JST

Hundreds of thousands of people there to celebrate

How will you guys here judge this? 

Big spreader event or not? 

How many of the hundreds of thousands have and will spread the virus even they are vaccined? (Especially to the people who can not be vaccined but also will join). 

How many of the hundreds of thousands will wear a mask even they are vaccined?

@RegBilk. 70% is better than nothing. Clear. Obvious.

What about the 34 million Americans who took 1 dose but for whatever reason declined the 2nd?

They are obviously not "anti-vaxxers" they did take the vaccination, but now they're being treated exactly the same as the unvaccinated.

People are getting tired of this, when they start telling people you have to take a booster shot every year, it’s just going to rub people the wrong way and it already is, The federal government is opening Pandora’s box and they have no way of closing it if they continue this.

Last year, the event was cancelled. Instead, people were treated to De Blasio and his wife dancing unmasked on stage.

theResidentToday  09:48 am JST

@RegBilk. 70% is better than nothing. Clear. Obvious.

Not for the other 30%, obviously..

 If the US keeps this trend up it will eventually run out of unvaccinated people.

Which may after all not be a bad thing for those who chose to get vaccinated. Why risk death because of your neighbors stupidity?

Last year, the event was cancelled. Instead, people were treated to De Blasio and his wife dancing unmasked on stage.

Yes off course. What were they thinking? Everybody knows that unmasked singers on an elevated stage well away from patrons are super spreaders. No better than anti-vaxers in subway trains trying to prove a point.

KentarogaijinToday  07:56 am JST

What about the 34 million Americans who took 1 dose but for whatever reason declined the 2nd?

They are obviously not "anti-vaxxers" they did take the vaccination, but now they're being treated exactly the same as the unvaccinated.

Same kind of antivaxxer losers..

Sadly the 34 million single vaxxed will not be able to attend as they have to put up with the same Anti-choice losers...

Sadly as well there seems to be only pro-choice or anti choice and nothing in between for most here

NOMINATIONToday  09:52 am JST

Last year, the event was cancelled. Instead, people were treated to De Blasio and his wife dancing unmasked on stage.

Wasn't there a mask mandate in effect then?

Wasn't there a mask mandate in effect then?

Yep, hence the hypocrisy which was abundant during his tenure.

Tomorrow in Japan, the Government will pass a bill that should we return to a State Of Emergency in Japan due to a surge in infections (which will happen), then bars/restaurants/nightclubs can all remain open as normal, but NOT to the unvaccinated. Following the Austrian model. Excellent to have that ready in place.

Sadly as well there seems to be only pro-choice or anti choice and nothing in between for most here

Antivaxers can't really be called anti choice. It's simply that they have no choice. They are afraid of the vaccine for some unexplainable reason. Even if they have siblings who inject the vaccine to their own children in front of their own eyes they will not be convinced. They will keep on believing that their siblings are controlled by big pharma.

Provaxers are those what you call" in between " as they can choose to get the vaccine or not like some parents who don't want their young kids vaccinated.

But if you really think about it, that's not in between, that's pro choice

@the resident

But then Japan have to hurry up and improve their vaccine passport system.

Among my friends here in Japan, I am the only one who has that Din A4 paper from the City Hall, that proves I am doubled vaccined.

But I just got that as an exemption because I am going to business trips.

All my friends, also my wife, don't have any proof that they are vaccined.

And so far it seems difficult for them to get one.

Or can everyone now get a vaccine passport already? Even without business trips or something?

If you have any news or updates please tell me. I like to know that.

Or can everyone now get a vaccine passport already? Even without business trips or something?

If you have any news or updates please tell me. I like to know that.

The voucher that we carried to the vaccination center where they stick the vaccine stickers will serve as vaccine certificate for most purposes

The certificate from ward offices are for travel and they recommend we only get those if we are actually travelling, to mitigate long queues.

But everyone vaccinated can get those

@ian

Ok, thank you for the information.

@Monty

I say everyone can get those but strictly speaking only those travelling are eligible.

If we say that we are not travelling they will not give it to us.

mhlw.go.jp/stf/covid-19/certificate.html

@Ian

Thank you, I understand.

I got mine from the City Hall.

A kind of official document, because I am going to buisness trips.

But my wife and also my friends who tried to get the same document were refused.

Of course, they were all honest and said they do not go to busines trips.

So I guess, when that come into action what theresident is saying, Japan muss implement a good vaccine passport system.

Today, I have put up a sign "VACCINATED ONLY" at my place of business...

its not nice to divide own society..and yes it may take some ugly turn...

"ianToday  10:56 am JST

Sadly as well there seems to be only pro-choice or anti choice and nothing in between for most here

Antivaxers can't really be called anti choice. It's simply that they have no choice. They are afraid of the vaccine for some unexplainable reason. Even if they have siblings who inject the vaccine to their own children in front of their own eyes they will not be convinced. They will keep on believing that their siblings are controlled by big pharma.

Provaxers are those what you call" in between " as they can choose to get the vaccine or not like some parents who don't want their young kids vaccinated.

But if you really think about it, that's not in between, that's pro choice"

You've totally missed the point but ok we are all different.

Pro-choice = "Anti- vax" which in my opinion is just a stupid label used to cow, intimidate, vilify those who for whatever reason are skeptical or nervous about getting the current vaccines which have no long-term side effect data and have been shown to cause some serious side effects and even causing death in some cohorts. Which are for the most part still EUA in most countries.

The Pro -choice crowd don't care if you have been vaccinated or not but want to have the right to choose whether or not they get the vaccine. Of course there are some fringe elements but that is where the antivaxxer label shows its insidious nature in that it puts all people who haven't been vaxxed or don't want to be vaxxed into the same group. When the diversity within that group goes from tinfoil hats to doctors and health staff

Anti-choice= the Provaxxer cohort who refuse to acknowledge anything other than the doctrine of vaccinate or die. They refuse to allow dissent or questioning of efficacy and safety data. as can bee seen from the majority of the posts of the anti-choice crowd here. They also refuse to acknowledge anyone's right to choose between being vaccinated or not.

In regard to this news article and the locking out of unvaccinated people from a major event when all evidence shows that with waning immunity vaccinated cohorts are just as likely to catch and spread covid, the divide between pro and anti is obvious and the 2 tiered society it is creating is just a sad indictment of the human species and mob mentality that can be used by groups or individuals to fit their own purpose whatever that purpose may be

In regard to this news article and the locking out of unvaccinated people from a major event when all evidence shows that with waning immunity vaccinated cohorts are just as likely to catch and spread covid, the divide between pro and anti is obvious and the 2 tiered society it is creating is just a sad indictment of the human species and mob mentality that can be used by groups or individuals to fit their own purpose whatever that purpose may be

I suggest you consult your doctor.

Or you believe you know better than your doctor?

I’ve changed my mind about mandatory vaccinations, I don’t really care if anyone doesn't want to get vaccinated, as long as you’re willing to pay the costs of hospitalization if you need it.

The reason seatbelts and helmets for motorcyclists are mandatory is not to be your mama. It’s because the people most likely to not wear them don’t have insurance to cover the extraordinary costs from the traumatic injuries and the taxpayers ended up paying the cost.

Instead of testing when you choose to not get vaccinated, I think you should have to sign a statement that you will pay all the costs of hospitalization. If you do that, fine.

Are you willing to do that?

ianToday  12:00 pm JST

In regard to this news article and the locking out of unvaccinated people from a major event when all evidence shows that with waning immunity vaccinated cohorts are just as likely to catch and spread covid, the divide between pro and anti is obvious and the 2 tiered society it is creating is just a sad indictment of the human species and mob mentality that can be used by groups or individuals to fit their own purpose whatever that purpose may be

I suggest you consult your doctor.

Or you believe you know better than your doctor?

I have been to doctors over the years who used google to diagnose an ailment....

I am fit and healthy with no underlying conditions with zero fear from Covid. I am not in any rush to be vaccinated at this stage. Unfortunately that is fast being made to be no longer an option. When that time hits I will most likely go for the Novavax vaccine which at least uses technology that has been used in other vaccines previously unlike the mRNA or AZ which codes ones cells to make the spike protein.( It also has better efficacy and less sever side effects.) Which should be my choice but increasingly that is being over ridden by the Anti choice crowd.

They weren't unvaccinated by choice so should be excluded from the restriction.

so Im exempt from catching COVID from an unvaccinated person as long as they are "disabled"?

thats interesting to know.

Now the virus can tell time on a clock to not infect before 9pm, knows location to not infect on a train to work, knows not to infect "protesters" and now knows to not infect anyone who is "disabled". what variant is this one? the "woke" variant?

"the science" indeed.

so Im exempt from catching COVID from an unvaccinated person as long as they are "disabled"?

thats interesting to know.

Now the virus can tell time on a clock to not infect before 9pm, knows location to not infect on a train to work, knows not to infect "protesters" and now knows to not infect anyone who is "disabled". what variant is this one? the "woke" variant?

"the science" indeed.

Nope youre not exempt from covid if thats the case

Merely that your reasoning is very poor lol

Are you willing to do that?

absolutely. Even more so if vaccinated people are required to take a test to show they are COVID free just like everyone else. Its not vaccinated or unvaccinated, its do you or dont you have COVID?

vaccination status doesnt tell us that, only testing does.

But vaccinated people dont want to be "inconvenienced" by proving they are COVID free. Instead they want to eliminate all unvaccinated people and then pretend they cant still catch it from vaccinated people.

Daily/Weekly testing for ALL, regardless of vaccination status. then we all go back to work and society.

Merely that your reasoning is very poor lol

then why is an unvaccinated person allowed to attend and spread COVID to others, just because they are "disabled"? their disability doesnt prevent them from catching/transmitting COVID.

Seems your support and acceptance of a politically woke policy that is against the science is "poor".

> and healthy with no underlying conditions with zero fear from Covid. I am not in any rush to be vaccinated at this stage. Unfortunately that is fast being made to be no longer an option. When that time hits I will most likely go for the Novavax vaccine which at least uses technology that has been used in other vaccines previously unlike the mRNA or AZ which codes ones cells to make the spike protein.( It also has better efficacy and less sever side effects.) Which should be my choice but increasingly that is being over ridden by the Anti choice crowd.

You talk of efficacy and taking the better vaccine but you also believe that not taking the vaccine poses less risk than taking it.

Interesting, I wonder how you reconciled that

@Sanjinosebleed

You have missed/miss-labeled one group of people who get vaccinated because they think it is a good idea to do so because they trust the medical establishment and don't want to end up in hospital also being socially conscious to protect others around them. Someone like me, I read all the data that is available from MAINSTREAM sources and decided that risks are just too tiny to be concerned in my case. I do not wear a "VACCINATED" budge, but I do wear a mask when I am in a public place. My advice to anyone who is not certain of what to do is to go to their physician and ask him if it is safe for you to be vaccinated and which vaccine is most suitable. All other sources of information are untrustworthy Q garbage that feeds the paranoid conspiracy lovers.

then why is an unvaccinated person allowed to attend and spread COVID to others, just because they are "disabled"? their disability doesnt prevent them from catching/transmitting COVID.

Seems your support and acceptance of a politically woke policy that is against the science is "poor".

These are all mitigation measures.

You do know that even the vaccinated can infect and be infected right?

Thanks to people putting their health at risk jumping into the unknown for the next coming years, helping the medical corporation to grow and gather data, and, for doing it for free while getting no reward other than a few months of pseudo-protection at best at every injection.

In the meantime....

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210830/Does-SARS-CoV-2-natural-infection-immunity-better-protect-against-the-Delta-variant-than-vaccination.aspx

RegBilkToday  12:21 pm JST

I'm curious if this Times Square vaccine requirement would apply to illegal immigrants, if they can make it to NYC from the southern border? Any Democrats have insight in that?

Vaccines in the US will be a requirement for people at a business with more than 100 people.

But vaccination is not a requirement for migrants at the southern border.

That's Trumptrash propaganda. It should be obvious to everybody by now that he is a criminal, a traitor and cannot be trusted. All he thinks of is himself. Trump has no scruples and deserves no respect whatsoever, Which leads into

bass4funkToday  12:41 pm JST

It's time for these CoVidiots to start taking this situation seriously and get on the ball. Enough with all the conspiracy theories, the lies, the fascist crap, the racist talk, the China-blaming, the internal strife, etc.

Ok, so you're saying, they should just listen and trust the government....OUR government without ANY questions whatsoever concerning the virus and the vaccine.....sounds a bit authoritative to me....

*Nobody **has the right to endanger other people's lives, period.*

Then if that is the case, respect my personal decision because it doesn't matter what you think, if I cannot take the vaccine because of a religious or medical condition, who are you to say that I am wrong? That is just pure crazy talk

No. Listen to the doctors, the professionals who have the degrees and licensed certification to practice medicine. They are the experts who transcend politics and government. Trump tried to silence Dr. Fauci with his lies, ego, irresponsibility, stupid 'Clorox' talk which got a few killed, and outright immaturity and his savage lust for power and control at any cost with no regards or concern.

When Joe took office in January he gave a special TV address to the nation about CoVid-19 which should've been given a year before. Joe did his job as POTUS, and he's not trying to overstep the medical pros. Joe knows his limits as POTUS and he's not trying to come on as a messiah/'Chosen One' because he knows he isn't. He's doing his job and the rest is up to all of us. And he's listening to the medical pros as we all should. The doctors know how we'll beat this virus and what we must do. I don't, you don't, Joe doesn't - so we need to listen to the medical experts because they know.

No. Listen to the doctors, the professionals who have the degrees and licensed certification to practice medicine.

Many of us do and not everyone is a lapdog for the CDC and Fauci, THEY are NOT the only medical experts on the planet, so we want to hear all sides and make the appropriate decisions ourselves, we don't need the government to do that for us.

They are the experts who transcend politics and government. Trump tried to silence Dr. Fauci with his lies, ego, irresponsibility, stupid 'Clorox' talk which got a few killed, and outright immaturity and his savage lust for power and control at any cost with no regards or concern. 

Ok and now this admin and the big tech are trying to silence us, we have the absolute right to hear opposing medical viewpoints and not just have to be hog-tied and listen to this WH and told to shut up and comply, year right.

When Joe took office in January he gave a special TV address to the nation about CoVid-19 which should've been given a year before.

And he didn't do that, even though we have pretty much-reached herd immunity and by the way, how long does he want to stretch this. Biden is slipping and slipping fast in the polls and among other things, his Presidency is pretty much finished, he's almost at 29% and that is beyond bad, the Dems won't recover from this one, not for at least a good two or three election cycles at least.

He's doing his job and the rest is up to all of us. And he's listening to the medical pros as we all should. The doctors know how we'll beat this virus and what we must do. I don't, you don't, Joe doesn't - so we need to listen to the medical experts because they know.*

Again, you can trust Biden, that is your right, I don't, never have, never will and the same goes for Fauci, I will continue as thousands and thousands of others across the country to know every detail about this virus and Fauci and the government I ignore because I don't need to hear bloviated political speeches, I really want to hear the science and the pros and cons of the vaccine. That is my right as an American citizen.

so you will be visiting Times Sq

I never said anything remotely close to that and what is it with you, Star and Lincoln always about Trump? Lol

Newsflash, Biden is President, let’s worry about the current commander in chief, he needs to be concerned with the upcoming midterms Because once the GOP retake the house, his powers will be greatly diminished and while the conservatives are formulating a way how to retake the house, the left to still focus on Trump, that’s great strategy for the right