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Brexit deal in turmoil as May postpones Parliament vote

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In reality she is just delaying the inevitable! Like it or not, seems like the British public wants a revote, and I say give it to them!

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Like it or not, seems like the British public wants a revote, and I say give it to them!

The people are finally realising they've been cheated and the post-Brexit future they face is an utter nightmare, dictated by vast US companies:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/28/us-groups-raise-millions-to-support-rightwing-uk-thinktanks

"It (the Institute of Economic Affairs, a far right think tank) published a paper this week authored by the head of its trade and competition policy unit, Shanker Singham, a lawyer and former Washington lobbyist. The report said the UK could “deliver the Brexit prize” by negotiating radical free trade agreements with the US and other countries. It called for the removal of tariffs and many of the controls put on financial services including hedge funds and banks post-crash.

It also called for opening all services to competition, including the health service, scrapping many of the EU regulations on data protection, pharmaceuticals and food safety and chemicals, and reducing taxes. It suggested civil servants could be replaced by politically appointed trade negotiators."

Terrifying. It sounds like hell on earth.

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This whole "Brexit" thing is a classic case of fixing something that isn't broken. I have looked on with amazement at this mess and wondered what anybody was thinking to have even started it at all. It's what happens when malcontents are allowed to call the shots.

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She either gives in to the re-vote or steps down as the PM. May cannot go back to the EU grovelling for more concessions, when they said their offer was their best and final. In effect she's done, both at home and abroad,credibility wise.

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Scenes in the Commons this evening. MPs from both sides disgusted by the Government, one MP was so angry about not having a vote about the aborted debate he seized the Mace and tried to remove it from the House.

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Modern day civil war without the bloodletting. Very interesting to watch.

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Can’t wait to read about May coming back after her meeting with the Eurocrats after outthinking and outmaneuvering them.

Stay tuned.

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News is circulating (It is unconfirmed) that May is going to propose a second referendum. It will apparently be held before the exit date in March. There will be two options: Leave with her deal OR Remain. Info is a 3:40 in the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3BL2SaCAx4

If this is true, it is absolutely disgusting. This is were they've planned to go all along. I'm pretty confident we'll be seeing a yellow vest movement in the UK within the next few weeks.

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It also called for opening all services to competition, including the health service, scrapping many of the EU regulations on data protection, pharmaceuticals and food safety and chemicals, and reducing taxes. It suggested civil servants could be replaced by politically appointed trade negotiators.

"Terrifying. It sounds like hell on earth.

Surely that's just an extremist right-wing wet dream. Any Government that agreed to that would be sentencing itself to 40 years in the wilderness, and no manna from heaven.

Does go to show just what kind of forces are out there waiting for the main chance, though.

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I watched May's statement in the House yesterday. I heard her slip out the expression "Exit from Brexit" while answering one of the questions. I thought I had misheard it or she had gotten muddled up. However, it seems this was noticed by others too.

https://order-order.com/2018/12/10/mays-freudian-slip-2/

When she blurted it out, the opposition MPs were slightly stunned and the house went silent for a moment. Everyone was confused by her statement.

I think we just heard what she's intending to do.

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The European Union is a monetary black hole -why shovel British money into it?

The UK needs to be free of it!

Open borders led to a vast number of refugees and others camping in northern France trying to find a way to the UK.

Hardly endearing to the natives eh?

Passing undiscussed laws in Europe which the English people know nothing of,implementing them in the UK is an affront to national sovereignty yet that is today’s reality.

The people voted for BREXIT-bring it on!

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I think we just heard what she's intending to do.

I agree, and now the E.U's top court has confirmed that they can end the Brexit process at any time.

Question is, will she put it to a referendum?

Either way, if she withdraws Brexit, you will see a Labor government and a renewed UKIP because many Tories support Brexit and will vote UKIP.

Keep in mind how close the last election was.

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Did anyone seriously believe the Europeans where going to let the UK go. It's two fold, they needed the UK contribution to their Euro fund, how else were they going to raise their target, and secondly to frighten other member countries of trying to go the same way as the UK. It's a rigged system folks, Brexit was a pipe dream, for all the faults of the EU it was better for the UK to be part of Europe, as a member changes could have been achieved, but out, the UK has no voice. The UK was conned by its own politicians, the EU holds no blame for the farce, only on the circus it has called negotiations. Just like all expats retired abroad, I personally lost a third of my state pension and its never recovered, so selfishly, I'm no fan of Brexit. I don't fly the flag for the country of my birth, having a EU passport was fine by me. Barnum and Bailey circus more like the US and UK circus, politically, you couldn't script a better farce.

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The timeline to this comedy of errors is moving beyond absurdity into the realms of a politically perverse charade.

Cabinet minsters, the Environment secretary Michael Gove stated unequivocally “definitely, 100%, the vote is going ahead.

Right up to within a hour prior to the official announcement of a postponement May's Government spokesmen were briefing, insisting the vote would proceed ahead as planed.

To use May's own words over the past three weeks

The deal, the only deal on the table, the deal that is in our national interests, that takes back control, the deal that honours the referendum result, that protects the things that we value, deal for a brighter future, the non-negotiable deal,

After listening very carefully, the deal is n fact a flawed deal and requires “additional reassurance” from the EU the U.K. won’t be trapped permanently in the backstop.

Is the Government seriously suggesting Theresa May had a sudden change of heart?.......

Just a thought the UK government cannot unilaterally revoke Article 50, the terms of the European Court of Justice ruling Monday will require a 2nd referendum.........

Judgement of the Court (Full Court) ….10 December 2018 ()*

http://curia.europa.eu/juris/document/document.jsf;jsessionid=30070EAD3C16AB345376A71509ACC49D?text=&docid=208636&pageIndex=0&doclang=EN&mode=req&dir=&occ=first&part=1

Last paragraph.....contains.... “The revocation must be decided following a democratic process in accordance with national constitutional requirements. This unequivocal and unconditional decision must be communicated in writing to the European Council,"

My knowledge of this terminology from a legislative perspective stretches to economics and finance.

However I suspect May's will need a A50 extension possible between 6/12 months.

I wonder what peace in our time declaration May will be waving aloft......

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Just leave and let the chips fall where they may.  That seems to be the inevitable outcome.  Another referendum is pointless and too complicated.

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I think it would have been much better if the EU had seriously negotiated with the UK about the legitimate complaints the UK has about certain aspects of EU governance and immigration. It seems they are bringing on their own demise as an economic bloc.

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I figured May would do this. She's stalling for time, waiting until it is absolutely certain that a second referendum would result in a landslide victory for Remain, and then she'll swoop in with that option. She never wanted Britain to leave the EU, so she systematically destroyed our chances of leaving on good terms in order to force us to seek a second referendum, one that would vote in her favour. She doesn't care about what Britain wants, only what she wants. She doesn't care about the way the EU dictatorially forces rules and regulations on us without giving us any say in the matter. She doesn't care that the EU drains a portion of our money away to pay off debts incurred by other countries. She only cares about appeasing her EU masters.

We need this No Confidence vote to go ahead, before it's too late. We need May kicked out and replaced with someone who will uphold the referendum result. We need someone who will tear up the EU's insulting divorce terms and push them to work towards us leaving on good terms than us leaving on bad ones. The EU has already made it clear that they want to keep our money, regardless of what they're doing to the people generating that money.

If only investors around the world could stop thinking about money and start thinking about the people providing it. Maybe then they'd help us secure the exit we voted for, by pressuring the EU to stop being so tyrannical and start being the democracy they claim to be. But I don't see that happening. Investors only think about one thing: money.

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May's deal is under forensic parliamentary examination, and rightly so.

However how would Her Majesty's Most Loyal Opposition, Labour under the leadership/stewardship of Jeremy Corbyn strategy fare?

Negotiating Brexit.....

https://labour.org.uk/manifesto/negotiating-brexit/

We will scrap the Conservatives’ Brexit White Paper and replace it with fresh negotiating priorities that have a strong emphasis on retaining the benefits of the Single Market and the Customs Union – which are essential for maintaining industries, jobs and businesses in Britain. Labour will always put jobs and the economy first.

The second of the Labour parties six tests, does it deliver the "exact same benefits" as we currently have as members of the Single Market and Customs Union?

This is a pretence a deception

A third country cannot retain the benefits of the Single Market and the Customs Union without remaining a EU member state.

There is no ambiguity the UK either remains a member of the EU or not.

No halfway house.

The state aid rule, so called level playing field detailed within the withdrawal agreement will prevent nationalization of postal services, water, railways.

State Aid and The Withdrawal Agreement: Key Points

https://www.monckton.com/state-aid-and-the-withdrawal-agreement-key-points/

In reality a Jeremy Corbyn Labour Government could fall foul of a number of state aid rules.

Time for clarity from Parliament. From the Conservative and Labour Parties.

In or out no more no less.

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The state aid rule, so called level playing field detailed within the withdrawal agreement will prevent nationalization of postal services, water, railways.

That's not my understanding. These services are nationalized in many EU states. The state aid rules are more about unfair subsidies.

http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2018/02/27/corbyn-on-state-aid-fact-checked

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Hi albaleo, same George Peretz QC, Withdrawal Agreement: Key Points also your link Corbyn on state aid Fact-checked.

The key difference is the Withdrawal Agreement. 03 Dec 2018.

May's agreement would lock any future Government into an arrangement that would protect existing EU member state investments in UK privatized utilities.

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The difference is the comparsion between existing nationalized utilities in EU states, and Labours renationalisation programme compensatory regime. Market rate or set by Parliament.

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@itsonlyrocknroll

Thanks. I clearly need to do some more reading.

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Open borders led to a vast number of refugees and others camping in northern France trying to find a way to the UK.

Hardly endearing to the natives eh?

Actually, the open border between the occupied 6 counties/NI is one of the benefits of the GFA. No more checkpoints and harassment of citizens north and south by the crown forces.

Passing undiscussed laws in Europe which the English people know nothing of,implementing them in the UK is an affront to national sovereignty yet that is today’s reality.

The people voted for membership and there was a huge push to become a member state of the EU (EEC) back in the day. France kept the UK out for as long as it could.

The people voted for BREXIT-bring it on!

The people of NI/6 counties voted against it. But as usual, they don't count, right?

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Hi albaleo, you are quite correct to point this out, the dates are a minor detail.

More importantly you took the time to research and so highlighting the important comparison between the two.

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