'Torture works,' Trump says as South Carolina primary looms

Republicans: the Party of Torture.™

If we waterboard the Donald do you think he would be able to offer America specifics on how he's going to accomplish ANYTHING he has proposed?

“Waterboarding is fine, but it’s not nearly tough enough,” Donald J, Trump. Torturer in Chief.

The same can be said for Bernie CJoe. I'm not defending Trump or insulting sanders I see it as Trump and Sanders with huge support nationally suggesting both left and right are desperate for change.

Keep trying B.S.

Keep trying B.S. - comments

Oops, isn't that the Republicans patented thought process?

Torturer in Chief.

Better than a commander-in-retreat (b. Hussein obama) and being spanked around by Putin. Wasn't obama the one who rescinded the waterboarding policy? What a sissy.

But its not so surprising coming from an administration who does not recognize "Radical Islam."

Careful Wc, don't cross that line.....

Don't forget your addressing those who make the claim Obama is the greatest president ever and desperately want a woman president next. Makes no difference if she is the best fit for the job, just the first woman.

Like it or not Obama has reversed the US dominance we once had. And I won't forget ISIS growth under Obama. Oh, they push gays off four story rooftops as punishment along with all their other enemies. Beheadings and burning alive must be defended.

Ah... The media assault on Trump continues. I never see any gotcha media coverage of Sanders...Interesting.

Nothing really "gotcha" about Trump demanding torture.

If one agrees with Trump they agree and demand torture.

That's not "gotcha", that's Trump's opinion.

Trump demands torture and every American who agrees is as sick as Trump.

But, of course, that doesn't stop them from voting for torture.

And sharing their ignorance here. Nice.

Serious cognitive dissonance among the Obama bashers. Wc uses the homophobic word sissy one minute, then Mark complains that Obama isn't saving gay people.

All the while conveniently ignoring that Obama is the first president since the Civil War to authorize an asassination of an American turned enemy combatant. Then there's the decimation of Al-Qaeda leadership through thousands of drone strikes. But that's no match for some macho posturing by Trump and the JT braintrust.

Waterboarding was practiced until late in the George W. Bush administration but was disavowed by President Barack Obama.

Because obama is a sissy lib. Didn't he close Gitmo too? Where they "waterboarded" the "terrorists."

Careful Wc, don't cross that line.....

Yeah. Let's cross it. ISIS chops off heads and demands ransoms . . .but that sits well in this thread. Yet Trump is being slammed simply for his pro waterboarding stance?

Ibrahim al Qosiis was among those Gitmo detainees released 3 yrs ago. Now he's labeled the top of jihadist and spokesperson in the ME. Well I hope he had his fair share of waterboarding. Perhaps the CIA should've removed his tongue.

Trump is wrong. That doesn't make ISIS right. Dumb tactic.

This just shows the danger of Trump. He'd dump on the Geneva convention, and bring the US down to the level of ISIS.

Whatever it takes to save lives. If a terrorist is willing to go all the way to inflict harm on American or our allies and the terrorist is captured, every method should be used to extract information.

Wc uses the homophobic word sissy

I don't really agree with WC on a lot of things, but I don't see that sissy is a homophobic word. It's just a criticism of one's masculinity which is a separate issue to homosexuality.

Because obama is a sissy lib. Didn't he close Gitmo too? Where they "waterboarded" the "terrorists."

No, he didn't close Gitmo yet, the Republicans are trying to keep from keeping that from happening.

Yeah. Let's cross it. ISIS chops off heads and demands ransoms . . .but that sits well in this thread.

That's ok, just to destroy and upset the status quo. Giving in to terrorism will give incentives to them to kidnap more Americans.

Yet Trump is being slammed simply for his pro waterboarding stance? Ibrahim al Qosiis was among those Gitmo detainees released 3 yrs ago. Now he's labeled the top of jihadist and spokesperson in the ME. Well I hope he had his fair share of waterboarding. Perhaps the CIA should've removed his tongue.

I agree.

The classic teaching in regard to torture is that it does not work. Little obtained in documented cases is of any value derived from torture. That is a simply a fact.

So torture, the torture so popular here and in Trump's fantasy world, is really nothing then but sadism and revenge taking. Trump's torcher talk, like most of Trump's talk, is complete and utter nonsense.

Again, however, of an American wants sadism and revenge killings as foreign policy, they have their hero. Sick,

@kcjapan,

Revenge is what is required. Being nice hasn`t been much of a winner has it?

You are a mega Sanders supporter so of course you will make wise cracks about Trump. Trump is a hundred times more qualified to run the nation.

Revenge is what is required. Being nice hasn`t been much of a winner has it?

If you sacrifice your humanity to destroy your enemy, you become that which you despise.

Trump is a hundred times more qualified to run the nation.

A hundred times more qualified than you maybe, but not Bernie.

Actually, the topic is torture. Trump demands torture. Some here feel the same. That's to be expected. So, again, the type of thinking that demands revenge killings and torture as a standard interrogation practice is both ignorant and most Americans will answer Trump's stupidity, "Not In My Name!"

The classic teaching in regard to torture is that it does not work. Little obtained in documented cases is of any value derived from torture. That is a simply a fact.

No, it depends on who you ask, and even if it were torture, why should I have sympathy for a person that wouldn't wait 2 seconds to behead me, if given the chance? Now that's a fact.

So torture, the torture so popular here and in Trump's fantasy world, is really nothing then but sadism and revenge taking.

If it can stop an attack, then it's worth it, but we know liberals would befriend the most violent terrorist on the planet. Like how some were criticizing why SEAL Team 6 didn't apprehend OBL instead of shooting him dead. Even to entertain that thought is borderline lunacy off in unicornverse central.

Trump's torcher talk, like most of Trump's talk, is complete and utter nonsense.

That's an opinion for some, but not everyone.

Again, however, of an American wants sadism and revenge killings as foreign policy, they have their hero. Sick,

Well, the Dems do the same, difference is, the GOP is direct and honest about it.

If you sacrifice your humanity to destroy your enemy, you become that which you despise

Good! Atleast I know, I have the will to destroy my enemy, so I would take that as a compliment.

Good! Atleast I know, I have the will to destroy my enemy, so I would take that as a compliment.

Well I'm glad that we are in agreement that you are the West's equivalent of ISIS.

@strangerland, and yet no further comment from WC on how he wants sissy to be taken. Amazing how some are so enthralled by the bachelor Putin that they constantly bitch about their homeland.

I have the will to destroy my enemy, - comments

Actually, that's not will to destroy, that's the will to inflict planned and sustained violence for sadistic pleasuring of a reptilian brain.

This is the "will" that created George W. Bush's torture prison Abu Ghraib.

If that's your American identity. your moral judgement? That says all anyone need know of any of these types of thinkers and their opinions. (Which is clearly too generous a characterization as it doesn't reflect thinking.)

Everyone asks" How will Trump get things done"? Well... How will Bernie get things done?

I personally don't know the answer to this. But the answer to this question doesn't change the fact that Trump's response is the West's equivalent of ISIS - extremism. Even if Bernie's ME policy is lacking, it still wouldn't be as bad as turning America into an extremist state.

@Wc Because obama is a sissy lib

Are you willing to ask to be a military contractor or active service member sent as 'boots on the ground' to show you're no sissy? You know age doesn't matter; there are lots of pogue jobs behind the lines. Or do you want someone else to do the fighting for you? If you expect someone else to do the fighting, if you're just 'instigating', who's the sissy?

@Bass Good! Atleast I know, I have the will to destroy my enemy, so I would take that as a compliment.

Are you going to volunteer your services to show you 'have the will to destroy your enemy' and aren't just keyboard warrior-ing? You know (as someone who claims to have been on assignment in Iraq) age, even disabilities don't matter; there are lots of jobs behind the lines. Or do you want someone else to do the fighting for you?

People my age will remember the “Central Park jogger” rape case of 1989. Five black and Hispanic teenagers - the oldest 16 and who came to be known the "Central Park Five" - were tried, convicted, and sentenced to lengthy sentences.

Trump was so disappointed they weren't sentenced to death that he published an advertisement in the NYT including this statement:

Criminals must be told that their CIVIL LIBERTIES END WHEN AN ATTACK ON OUR SAFETY BEGINS!

Trump possibly would support employing torture on American citizens in such cases. After almost a decade if incarceration, though, the real perpetrator confessed, the five were freed, and they won a judgement of $40 million -which Trump subsequently complained about, of course.

Be careful what you wish for.

they constantly bitch about their homeland.

Hey- don't blame me. I didn't vote for, "Change." You guys bought that line. (suckers.)

No, he didn't close Gitmo yet, the Republicans are trying to keep from keeping that from happening.

Whats the point bass? barrack Hussien obama will just pull out is pen & sign some trumped-up "Executive Order" and poof! Gitmo will be history.

Trump is wrong. That doesn't make ISIS right. Dumb tactic.

I don't see any tactic at all. ISIS is always wrong. Go and ask the Parisians who were out on the town 11/13/15. Again, these kind of acts are okay in this thread . . . but they bash Trump for simply wanting to reinstate the practicing of waterboarding.

After almost a decade if incarceration, though, the real perpetrator confessed, the five were freed

But you can guarantee they would have admitted to having done it, had they been tortured.

I don't see any tactic at all. ISIS is always wrong.

Trump is pretty much always wrong too.

they bash Trump for simply wanting to reinstate the practicing of waterboarding.

Nothing simple about it. Torture is always wrong.

"So-called establishment Republicans worry that Trump or Cruz could jeopardize the party’s chances of winning in November’s general election." - article

Note: Cruz is a religious nutter, no chance to ever be President. Trump is a nutter, no chance to ever be President.

The real torture is listening to Trump repeat ad nausea what a great torture guy he is.

"Fabulous Torture! I'm serious, eye removal with a car key, all that all that, the electrical thing with the privates, all that, I'm talking torture like Michelangelo would have done. America will have the finest torture facilities in the world and will torture everyone who may be hiding anything because America is the land of the free and home of the torturers. That may be in the Bible, not sure, heard that somewhere." - Donald J. Trump, television personality

"That’s in response to an incident Tuesday night when an audience member shouted out “Waterboard Hillary!” Rubio laughed at the time.

Rubio on Wednesday said he didn’t hear exactly what the shouter said"

Oh, man up, stop lying and stop being such a 'sissy'. You laughed at the joke.

By the way, that was a good one, Bass. How did others in the press gallery react?

Trump is pretty much always wrong too.

Fair enough. I don't agree with some of his opinions too.

Nothing simple about it. Torture is always wrong.

But every man has his breaking point. Its vital to national security and the intelligence community to use some sort of torturous methods to extract info from captives of radical islam's web of terrorists.

Note: Cruz is a religious nutter, no chance to ever be President. Trump is a nutter, no chance to ever be President.

@kc. Very well.

Note: (At least) No candidate from the Republican side are under FBI investigation nor a "Socialist." Good lord !!

@Strangerland,

Extremist? How so? Perhaps 'more organized and economically sound' is a better term.

But every man has his breaking point.

A country is not a man.

Its vital to national security and the intelligence community to use some sort of torturous methods to extract info from captives of radical islam's web of terrorists.

Torture is never right. Ever.

Extremist? How so? Perhaps 'more organized and economically sound' is a better term.

No, extremist is accurate. The guy wants to build a wall to keep out the Mexicans. He wants to deny access to all the brownies. And he wants to torture. The guy is an extremist.

"But every man has his breaking point. Its vital to national security and the intelligence community to use some sort of torturous methods"

'Some sort of torturous methods'? What? Why not just say 'torture'? I love it when the right start using the kind of evasive and 'sissy' language they supposedly hate from the left.

Please tell us what kind of 'torturous methods' you'd be okay with. Stop being so evasive.

Now I get it, the neocon screamers are getting hot and bothered remembering that Obama has a Muslim-sounding middle name. That, and the slow motion eroding GOP opposition to Obama's next supreme court nominee is stinging their pride. Sniffles and hankies all around.

Although I can see where some people come from when they say torture could be the last resort to stopping some imminent threat, I would oppose torture in all its forms as there's too much room for error and I think it desensitizes people. It'd be better for the entire world to be nuked than to return to the mindset of people even 100 years ago

Wow, the would would be chaotic if this man became the president....

Well I'm glad that we are in agreement that you are the West's equivalent of ISIS.

Not going to work, when you see Americans making videos of cutting Muslims heads off and plotting to turn all Islamic countries into a Christian caliphate equivalent and promising to destroy all non-believers, then with all due respect, call me or anyone that thinks like me an ISIS equivalent.

Actually, that's not will to destroy, that's the will to inflict planned and sustained violence for sadistic pleasuring of a reptilian brain.

That's your opinion and if you don't mind, I vehemently disagree with you.

This is the "will" that created George W. Bush's torture prison Abu Ghraib.

And what kept us safe, thank God for him.

If that's your American identity. your moral judgement? That says all anyone need know of any of these types of thinkers and their opinions. (Which is clearly too generous a characterization as it doesn't reflect thinking.)

In your opinion, in my opinion, I think liberals are out of their minds, not doing whatever it takes to stop the enemy.

I personally don't know the answer to this.

This is exactly the reason I think liberals are horrible when it comes to foreign policy.

Are you going to volunteer your services to show you 'have the will to destroy your enemy' and aren't just keyboard warrior-ing?

I would in a heartbeat, of course. And please don't go there, pretty much most of my family members have served this country going back to the Civil War. I could care what any liberal thinks about war, but any person wanting to come to the US to destroy us, it's not even an option for me whether I would volunteer myself or not.

You know (as someone who claims to have been on assignment in Iraq) age, even disabilities don't matter; there are lots of jobs behind the lines. Or do you want someone else to do the fighting for you?

Absolutely not. Also, you don't know my background what I did or how I served my country. So let's just not go there.

Nothing simple about it. Torture is always wrong.

Not when the lives of innocents hang in the balance, I'm for it and if the CIA get their hands on these terrorists, I would support any measure necessary to thwart any future attacks. Khalid Sheik Muhammad is still alive, although I don't know why. He survived what you libs call torture and his extracted information did save lives, so it's a good thing. I support it.

"You know (as someone who claims to have been on assignment in Iraq) age, even disabilities don't matter; there are lots of jobs behind the lines. Or do you want someone else to do the fighting for you?"

Absolutely not. Also, you don't know my background what I did or how I served my country. So let's just not go there."

This is pretty pathetic. Just say you didn't join the military. Plenty of people don't for many reasons. Some don't like the lifestyle it enforces. Some want to make better money elsewhere. Some don't want to get shot. For me, it was all three of these reasons plus others.

I have little time or respect for those who thump their chest and ask people to do something life-threatening that they clearly weren't prepared to do themselves.

Trump continues his promotion of torture with some words of wisdom:

"You know everyone has been asking me, pleading with me, really, to tell them how good our torture will be. I can give you a hint, I know some of the biggest names in torture, so I know what I'm talking about when I'm talking about torture."

"So, if you're listening and watching, stay tuned, there will be so much torture in my first hundred days it'll make Saddam Hussein's rape rooms look like pre-school torture."

"And, and, I can add, so many people ask me about this it's so great, but, here's another promise, there will be no lower age limit or upper age limit. That just ties your hands as far as torture is concerned."

"So, I'm saying torture will be as American as Apple Pie and you know how many love my torture plans, wait till they see their tax dollars finally bringing torture to these dirty, dirty people. Look, every American agrees with me. We torture, our problems disappear, no torture? You want to live in that world? I don't think so."

Donald Trump, torturer

Absolutely not. Also, you don't know my background what I did or how I served my country. So let's just not go there. -

But given all you've claimed to have done I'm certain if you'd actually served your country you would have let readers know long ago. Again and again.

"Whatever it takes to save lives." So you agree to pull teeth without local anesthetic.

"I would in a heartbeat, of course." but did you?

"Also, you don't know my background what I did or how I served my country" How did you serve your country?

"I would in a heartbeat, of course."/"Also, you don't know my background what I did or how I served my country" Which is it? Did you serve or not?

This is pretty pathetic. Just say you didn't join the military.

No, because it's not that simple.

Plenty of people don't for many reasons. Some don't like the lifestyle it enforces. Some want to make better money elsewhere. Some don't want to get shot. For me, it was all three of these reasons plus others. I have little time or respect for those who thump their chest and ask people to do something life-threatening that they clearly weren't prepared to do themselves.

I agree, but that doesn't apply to me, for the record.

But given all you've claimed to have done I'm certain if you'd actually served your country you would have let readers know long ago. Again and again.

No, I don't have to and no need to. You thinking I should doesn't mean. I have to or I'm obliged to.

"A 2014 Senate Intelligence Committee report concluded that harsh interrogation techniques failed to produce information the CIA couldn’t have obtained elsewhere or didn’t already have." - article

So much for the fantasy world of torture's effectiveness. Trump really can't help but say the stupidest things. You'd think The George W. Bush Abu Ghraib Torture Prison would have taught the GOP ShiaTea something. Obviously that is not possible.

"No, because it's not that simple." Just explain it. How did you serve your country.

As for Torture working it don't, as the Spanish Inquisition and centuries of torture has prooven.

Truth serum do work but again not 100% reliable, as spies and most special forces undergo watet-boarding and other procedures to make them less suspectible to them.

So much for the fantasy world of torture's effectiveness.

Worked on a number of people, so why the moral sympathy for someone that would kill you in an instant or do you think the liberal terrorist spray bottle will protect you from being beheaded?

Trump really can't help but say the stupidest things.

Not only Trump, the Dems have a lot of interesting things to say, but not as comical or amusing.

You'd think The George W. Bush Abu Ghraib Torture Prison would have taught the GOP ShiaTea something.

It did, most definetly! It taught us to be strong, unwavering, steadfast, protect the homeland and to do whatever it takes to keep the country safe.

Obviously that is not possible.

As much as I don't like Trump, I'm quite sure, if he were to become president, whoa to any terrorist that would be foolish enough to even attempt to start a war with the US. On that alone, he's got my vote!

@Bass

Ok. It's just that I find it pretty repulsive when people are prepared to sacrifice others or ask them to carry out filth like torture which reduces them to the level of Bronze Age theocratic knuckle-draggers. You served your country in some mysterious way which you are not prepared to tell us but I will take your word for it because I couldn't imagine someone as patriotic as yourself stooping so low in telling lies about this. I apologise for not recognizing you put your life on the line for your country.

You served your country in some mysterious way which you are not prepared to tell us but I will take your word for it because I couldn't imagine someone as patriotic as yourself stooping so low in telling lies about this. I apologise for not recognizing you put your life on the line for your country.

Apology accepted.

The whole "torture keeps America safe" holds no water. If that were the case, domestic terrorist attacks would have spiked when Obama forbid waterboarding and other such methods - but they did not. Deaths from terrorism remain so small as to be a rounding error compared with non-terrorist deaths by firearms. So please: If you care even a smidgen about the safety of Americans, stop barking up the wrong tree.

http://hot6today.com/2015/10/07/deaths-from-gun-violence-vs-deaths-from-terrorism-in-one-chart/

"Worked on a number of people," How much torture did you see when you were in the Service? Did what you saw help protect the homeland? Were you directly involved?

"terrorist that would be foolish enough to even attempt to start a war with the US" Terrorists start wars with countries?

"You served your country in some mysterious way which you are not prepared to tell us but I will take your word for it because I couldn't imagine someone as patriotic as yourself stooping" There are all these SEAL wannabes that exist so it would not be the first time pretending. But a real warrior does not even give any hint they served to any degree.

A 2014 Senate Intelligence Committee report concluded that harsh interrogation techniques failed to produce information the CIA couldn’t have obtained elsewhere or didn’t already have.

So the point is that if you support the use of torture it isn't because it gets you any extra information, you just simply want to torture people. And Republicans love that kind of stuff.

In the same vein as my above post, you can bet that many of the Middle Eastern countries that currently suffer from terrorism do practice torture. How's that working out for them? Experts as conservative as Sen. John McCain have pointed out time and again that torture is counterproductive, yet the debate never seems to die.

Immoral. Illegal. Counterproductive. What part of these three words do torture advocates not understand?

@Strangerland,

More blanket statements. Yes, he should build a wall to keep illegals from just walking across the boarder. In fact the existing government have committed a criminal offense by ignoring proper immigration procedures. If you love open boarders why the heck are you in Japan??? Trump is totally right here. Block the religious group that provides no support and speaks badly of American law and constitution, believe in pushing gays off of buildings, cutting heads off etc. Keep them out too. Dont need the trouble. America has had its door open for years to help those wanting to immigrate. Time to close it off. Balance trade deals, bring jobs back, create jobs, save social security, lower taxes, cut the debt etc. Really? an extremist? Im certain youd never run your business, personal finances or household this way. Sounds like you want another lying unproductive leader. Has Bernie Sanders ever had a job? Senator since since 2007 but thats about it. His policies are ok though, right?

"Yes, he should build a wall to keep illegals from just walking across the boarder." Even Jeb Bush said illegal immigration is reversing. And illegals generally overstay their visas anyway.

More blanket statements. Yes, he should build a wall to keep illegals from just walking across the boarder. In fact the existing government have committed a criminal offense by ignoring proper immigration procedures. If you love open boarders why the heck are you in Japan??? Trump is totally right here. Block the religious group that provides no support and speaks badly of American law and constitution, believe in pushing gays off of buildings, cutting heads off etc. Keep them out too. Dont need the trouble. America has had its door open for years to help those wanting to immigrate. Time to close it off. Balance trade deals, bring jobs back, create jobs, save social security, lower taxes, cut the debt etc. Really? an extremist? Im certain youd never run your business, personal finances or household this way. Sounds like you want another lying unproductive leader. Has Bernie Sanders ever had a job? Senator since since 2007 but thats about it. His policies are ok though, right?

I completely agree.

Experts as conservative as Sen. John McCain have pointed out time and again that torture is counterproductive, yet the debate never seems to die.

With all due respect to Sen. McCain, he doesn't speak for all Americans or people that might agree with torture or not.

So the point is that if you support the use of torture it isn't because it gets you any extra information, you just simply want to torture people. And Republicans love that kind of stuff.

Clinton didn't object to it, the Dems didn't during the Bush years and in some ways still don't, but politically, I get it, it can knock them out of the race, so why on Earth would they be stupid enough to admit, they are for it.

Immoral. Illegal. Counterproductive. What part of these three words do torture advocates not understand.

Opinion, effective, in time of war! you do what you must! whether it's popular with the people or not! but when applied in the proper manner, cohersive interrogation, heck, if it saves lives, who would object? Wait, I already know the answer......

"effective, in time of war!" Which war did you fight in? Were you involved in torture, somehow?

It's not real torture anyway. It's a joke. What the Romans did? What the drug cartels do, for example? That's real torture. The American version is Mickey Mouse compared to that so it should not even exist in the first place.

You have had such an impressive life with being both a CEO of a major Fortune 500 company AND a decorated military officer. Just my observation.

they should use tickling

I'm not surprised. Water torture is American tradition. They used it to crush the anti-American rebels in the Philippines in the 1930s.

Torture works may be cruel for fainted hearted. That world and nature are in fact full of cruelty. When I was in London, A young British soldier was hit with car and being butchered under the broad day light. He bled on the city street in front of on lookers. He was treated worse than animals in front of his own people. The sad truth is killer is a neutralized African British immigrant.

Although I am not a fan of Trump, what he said was the reality. If your enemy has no rule and mercy, you should take off gloves and you should become like your enemy. Europe has many understanding, welcoming and kind hearted people. The consequence is they have been bullied and tortured in their Homeland.

The course of Donald Trump is not depending on others. He may be a racist and protectionist. He does not want US has become like France or UK.

Bring on another Abraham Lincoln of 21st century.

If Donald keeps saying stupid shit like this I'm gonna have to pay more attention to the conspiracy theorists who says he's a Hillary plant. Nobody that smart would purposely shoot themselves in the foot.

If Donald keeps saying stupid stuff like this I'm gonna have to pay more attention to the conspiracy theorists who says he's a Hillary plant. Nobody that smart would purposely shoot themselves in the foot.

how could you shoehorn Trump and smart in same sentence... thats some skill

More blanket statements.

You asked why he was an extremist, I pointed out his extremist views. Sorry if you don't like it, but the guy preaches hatred and extremist views. He is the Western ISIS.

America needs a strong, fearless, adamant leader. A man who isn't afraid to tell it like it is, instead of lies filled with fluff. A man who'll let the rest of the world deal with its own problems. A man who Israel cannot bribe or coerce. A man who'll shove shove his figurative boot into the rear end of Islam. A man who'll take on not only the opposition, but the puppets in his own party as well. A man who believes that America, and her allies, can indeed be great again. And that man is Donald Trump.

same sentence... thats some skill

I'm sure Trump understands that a period denotes the end of a sentence.

Anyone who doesn't like torture or is offended by brutal State tactics should immediately stop using any oil based transportation. The hypocrisy on here is flabbergasting. It's like many just want to ignore that Saudi Arabia is the US's favorite alley in the Middle East. Keep tooting your own horns since it makes you feel good. Hating Trump is easy, recognizing Hillary Clinton as the establishments "Chosen One" is difficult for some. But hey! She's a woman, so there's that.

You asked why he was an extremist, I pointed out his extremist views. Sorry if you don't like it, but the guy preaches hatred and extremist views. He is the Western ISIS.

Really, I disagree, there are people that think different on the issue.

There's an intereting mix going here. Trump supporters/conservatives talk about reducing the government and keeping it out of the lives of the people, except when it comes to a violent/controlling police state and expanding the military. Then they're all for government control. They want the CIA to torture for potential information and may or may not successfully prevent attacks (ignoring previous agreements on treatment of prisoners). This could easily extend to US citizens. They want walls to keep out all muslims because some of them are terrorists. After all the muslims are out, and kept out, who's next? Perhaps the Mexicans, since they're drug dealers and rapists. And when The USA becomes the new China after wages fall low enough, the walls will keep in the cheap domestic labor force (which Trump wants to create since people are too well paid now) and no one will be able to leave except the wealthy corporate masters.

"You asked why he was an extremist, I pointed out his extremist views. Sorry if you don't like it, but the guy preaches hatred and extremist views. He is the Western ISIS."

"Really, I disagree, there are people that think different on the issue."

We know you disagree. I don't remember you calling Trump or his ideas extremist. You think that Trump is preaching lunatic ideas which appeal to lunatics. You've stated that quite a few times. Is Trump's endorsement of torture a rare moment of non-lunacy?

Incidentally, what are the differences between extremist and lunatic views? I've never really thought about it. You apparently know the answer to this.

except when it comes to a violent/controlling police state and expanding the military

You phrase this as if the Democrats are against this....LOL try something different

Please tell us what kind of 'torturous methods' you'd be okay with. Stop being so evasive.

Waterboarding works just fine. Not chopping off heads. Evasive? Thats the obama administration for ya-

"Waterboarding works just fine. Not chopping off heads." Romans tortured people to death and look how long their power remained.

Water boarding is not the only technique, just a fancy word used. All forms should be banned.

So the GOP wants to ban Muslims, torture Muslims, and carpet bomb Syria. Next they'll tell us Muslims don't support the GOP because they're freeloaders.

Donald trump not only committing political suicide by his announcements,but he is taking republican party to hell with him.He came on the wrong timing,though he has good points and logic some times,but now Demographic map of America already changed,his supporter are not effective anymore,its another age,another generations,and another calculations.Trump bad luck is nothing but TIMING.

"Please tell us what kind of 'torturous methods' you'd be okay with. Stop being so evasive."

"Waterboarding works just fine. Not chopping off heads. Evasive? Thats the obama administration for ya"

So you draw the line at waterboarding? I suppose that puts you on the 'sissy' side of the GOP. I can imagine the far right "whatever it takes" crowd slobbering over medieval history books as their imaginations run riot.

It's torture watching this creep campaign. Please, JT, I'll confess to anything -- just make him stop.

So the GOP wants to ban Muslims, torture Muslims, and carpet bomb Syria.

No, just any radical Jihadist and any radical that would purposely do harm to Americans. That's what they want, makes perfect sense.

Next they'll tell us Muslims don't support the GOP because they're freeloaders.

That's the Bernie crowd.

So you draw the line at waterboarding?

No. Anything that will get a terrorist to talk.

I suppose that puts you on the 'sissy' side of the GOP. I can imagine the far right "whatever it takes" crowd slobbering over medieval history books as their imaginations run riot.

That's right.

Waterboarding works just fine. Not chopping off heads. Evasive? Thats the obama administration for ya .

Since when has this admin. ever made any sense?

“Waterboarding is fine, but it’s not nearly tough enough,” he added.

don't knock it til you've tried it.

"That's the Bernie crowd." But Trump is going to increase public healthcare.

"And, and, I can add, so many people ask me about this it's so great, but, here's another promise, there will be no lower age limit or upper age limit. That just ties your hands as far as torture is concerned."

Torturing kids? Really?

"So, I'm saying torture will be as American as Apple Pie and you know how many love my torture plans, wait till they see their tax dollars finally bringing torture to these dirty, dirty people. Look, every American agrees with me. We torture, our problems disappear, no torture? You want to live in that world? I don't think so."

Rubbish... to those who say torture keeps you safe... no it doesn't. Picture the scenario - American born Islamic suicide bomber blows up a church in Alabama, scores dead. How would torture prevent that?

Trump is a nutter... he's a laughing stock outside America. He's lampooned, parodied, laughed at... he's been turned into a meme. People don't respect him... they FEAR him, the same way you fear a rabid dog or a madman running down the street with a chopper in his hand. Only people who agree with him are those so far right that they'd advocate the return of internment camps for those not born in America, or the return of the House UnAmerican Committee...

Rubbish... to those who say torture keeps you safe... no it doesn't.

No, but it can give you vital information ask Khalid Sheik Muhammed and Abu Zubaydah and And al-Rahim al-Nashiri they'll tell you otherwise.

Picture the scenario - American born Islamic suicide bomber blows up a church in Alabama, scores dead. How would torture prevent that?

No, but if we can know how these guys operate and can get some insight to their activities and plots, maybe we can estimate or at the very least stay vigilant to avoid or make it more difficult for these guys do plot something like what happened in San Bernardino or France.

Trump is a nutter... he's a laughing stock outside America.

Who the heck cares what anyone thinks outside of America? They can't vote, so it's meaningless to worry about what they think, even on this site, so many NON-Americans THINK they know what Americans need or want or what we all should have.

He's lampooned, parodied, laughed at... he's been turned into a meme. People don't respect him... they FEAR him,

Music to my ears! (But Obama was laughed at as well, but by most of our enemies) That's exactly what I want! A president with some serious brass *****! No pushover and NO capitulation and I prefer my enemies fear him, so Trump is on the right track.

the same way you fear a rabid dog or a madman running down the street with a chopper in his hand. Only people who agree with him are those so far right that they'd advocate the return of internment camps for those not born in America, or the return of the House UnAmerican Committee...

I don't know about all that crap. Nonsense, but what I want is a president that will stand up for the people and fight for them and not bow down, bend over and kiss all or our enemies..... Obama is the biggest embarrassment to the nation since Wilson and Carter.

"So-called establishment Republicans worry that Trump or Cruz could jeopardize the party’s chances of winning in November’s general election"

Heck, the so-called establishment Republicans lost the last 2 elections, what makes them think they can beat The Bern or even Hillary?

One commenter proposes Torture is an essential program in war . . . "Opinion, effective, in time of war! you do what you must!"

The ordinary reader recognizes the fallacy here.

First, there is no war, none that Congress has declared.

The conditions then aren't satisfied for torture. Trump will have to have Congress declare war on "terrorism" first. (That should take fifteen minutes.)

Then, "you do what you must!", in one opinion, eliminates all moral reasoning, international standards, war crimes and green lights child rape.

(sometimes torture can be distasteful and unpleasant; not always, but sometimes, and sometimes it's fun to watch a human being writhe in pain or shriek for mercy, that kind of torture is what you do when you do what you must.)

So, Bring It ON! Because "you do what you must!", it's freaking "Thunderdome!."

(if it weren't so ignorant it would be sad, but as it is, it's more like an American psychopath patriot parade.)

Rest easy America. Trump's a fraud.

Congress won't declare war on the world, as much as the GOP ShiaTea would LOVE that. And one commenter will continue a life of fantasy war games and bombast, like his heroes apparently.

So, rest easy America. Sad how many have no idea what torture is and how comical they seem in their chicken hawk certainty. Too bad Trump's goal is to make America One Nation of Torture, Under God, Irrational with Lobotomy and Watering Boarding for All.

Nice, just what all Americans are demanding from Their Government, torture. They're getting it with Trump. The horror, the horror.

"But Obama was laughed at as well, but by most of our enemies" Iran?

Carter? No wars there (and he was a real warrior). Smart too.

The fact that Trump and Cruz are still leading the GOP race is utterly unbelievable and just goes to show how out of touch the GOP is with the US and the rest of the world. It's hard to take the US seriously anymore thanks to the GOP and the primitive, backward policies they support. Clinton is by far the obvious choice with the most experience at the highest level. Yes there was the Libya fiasco but no doubt valuable lessons were learned from that. She'd make a capable president (much more than Sanders anyway, and miles more capable than any of the GOP loonies).

"Who the heck cares what anyone thinks outside of America? They can't vote, so it's meaningless to worry about what they think, even on this site, so many NON-Americans THINK they know what Americans need or want or what we all should have."

So, we can disregard everything you say about the Islamification of Europe and comments about Japan? Actually, Thunderbird2 is a Brit like myself and can no doubt remember the appalling bloodbath in Iraq the UK was drawn into by the US as Bush and Blair set fire to the Middle East. I don't want to see another rightist warmonger in the States dragging others down with him in a catastrophe.

If you could contain your rightist crackpots to the uneducated, bible-thumping, backward states of your union where they belong, it wouldn't be much of a concern for others. Unfortunately, these headcases have a habit of wreaking havoc across the planet. As you said, Trump appeals to lunatics, and lunatics with a vote don't make sane decisions.

"Clinton is by far the obvious choice with the most experience at the highest level. Yes there was the Libya fiasco but no doubt valuable lessons were learned from that. She'd make a capable president (much more than Sanders anyway, and miles more capable than any of the GOP loonies)." - comments

Someone is using CliffsNotes! Finally.

Trump is a nutter... he's a laughing stock outside America. Who the heck cares what anyone thinks outside of America? They can't vote, so it's meaningless to worry about what they think, even on this site, so many NON-Americans THINK they know what Americans need or want or what we all should have.

Exactly bass. Why should they care? They CANNOT vote. . . . but (heh) they sure love it when a barrack Hussien obama is "in charge" of the USA & trying to make the US like the rest of the world. His agenda is nonsense.

This only illustrates how these "NON-Americans" don't giv 2-bits about america and who's elected!

"Exactly bass. Why should they care? They CANNOT vote. . . . but (heh) they sure love it when a barrack Hussien obama is "in charge" of the USA & trying to make the US like the rest of the world. His agenda is nonsense. This only illustrates how these "NON-Americans" don't giv 2-bits about america and who's elected!"

Again, another one who posts incessantly about the Islamification of Europe and tells us how crap Japan is compared to things 'stateside'.

I assume you cannot vote in a European country nor in Japan.

If my assumption is correct, should we also disregard everything you say about European countries and Japan?

I assume you cannot vote in a European country nor in Japan.

I vote & pay taxes ONLY in the US. (Yet) I reside in JPN, DOD Facility.

If my assumption is correct, should we also disregard everything you say about European countries and Japan?

Tailor whatever my comments to ur needs . . . "Torture" should be allowed. Why did sissy obama eliminate this policy? Torture (waterboarding) is reasonable. Trump is NOT out-of-line for expressing such.

ISIS chops off heads and burns pilots alive. If my assumption is correct, this is less 'extreme' than what Trump is simply suggesting? Good Lord-

"I vote & pay taxes ONLY in the US. (Yet) I reside in JPN, DOD Facility."

You can't vote in Japan. Your opinion of Japan has no relevance according to you. Nor does your opinion of immigration policy in Europe. Bear that in mind.

ISIS are Bronze Age scumbags. Large areas of the US are civilised, 21st century people. The best hope for the US is that the civilised, 21st century types can hold back the tide of knuckle-draggers who want to sink to the level of theocrats. I remember one US citizen telling me that if the Iranian theocracy was Christian, the uncivilised types would be looking at it with envy rather than hatred.

Stay civilised.

One commenter proposes Torture is an essential program in war . . . "Opinion, effective, in time of war! you do what you must!"

That is correct. Yes, I said it!

The ordinary reader recognizes the fallacy here.

What fallacy? That libs are wrong, dead wrong when it comes to national security?

First, there is no war, none that Congress has declared.

We know that, but the president does have the ability in a dire emergency situation to override congress if need be in such a situation and Obama has made it possible to bypass congress, we took it from his playbook.

The conditions then aren't satisfied for torture. Trump will have to have Congress declare war on "terrorism" first. (That should take fifteen minutes.)

Thank God for prevailing heads

Then, "you do what you must!", in one opinion, eliminates all moral reasoning, international standards, war crimes and green lights child rape.

You're extrapolating the point, but if you want to call it devoid of all reasoning, right back at you or anyone that thinks we shouldn't do all we must to protect our country and its citizens.

(sometimes torture can be distasteful and unpleasant; not always, but sometimes, and sometimes it's fun to watch a human being writhe in pain or shriek for mercy, that kind of torture is what you do when you do what you must.)

If anyone gets joy and excitement from torturing someone, that would be bad if it's just out of sheer pleasure, but when it involves a terrorist, the entire dynamic changes.

So, Bring It ON! Because "you do what you must!", it's freaking "Thunderdome!."

Exactly!

(if it weren't so ignorant it would be sad, but as it is, it's more like an American psychopath patriot parade.) Rest easy America. Trump's a fraud.

He may be a fraud, but unlike the guy we have now and the habitual lying woman in the pantsuits, he is the toughest guy we need.

Congress won't declare war on the world, as much as the GOP ShiaTea would LOVE that.

No, but if it is serious enough and the president requires legitimate authorization, he would probably get it.

And one commenter will continue a life of fantasy war games and bombast, like his heroes apparently. So, rest easy America. Sad how many have no idea what torture is and how comical they seem in their chicken hawk certainty.

Liberals, I agree. They just really don't know or care not to know.

Too bad Trump's goal is to make America One Nation of Torture, Under God, Irrational with Lobotomy and Watering Boarding for All.

But Obama already made a country that believes in division, partisanship, racial divide, always give in to capitulation and give your enemies enough ammunition to throw right back at you.

Nice, just what all Americans are demanding from Their Government, torture. They're getting it with Trump. The horror, the horror.

Can't be worse than the terror we're going through right now with this Tyrant.

As for the Iraq war, I still say getting rid of Saddam was the best thing, that's all I will say to that.

So, we can disregard everything you say about the Islamification of Europe and comments about Japan?

That depends on you. It's a free world.

If you could contain your rightist crackpots to the uneducated, bible-thumping, backward states of your union where they belong, it wouldn't be much of a concern for others.

You sure do love to hurl ad hominem attacks don't you?

Unfortunately, these headcases have a habit of wreaking havoc across the planet.

We had a few liberals that did the same. Robert E. Lee for one.

As you said, Trump appeals to lunatics, and lunatics with a vote don't make sane decisions.

The same goes for libs. Seriously, when you take Sanders and Clinton and dissect them both, you would have to be a raging fool to support either of them, so now we have a socialist, a ego-maniac and a habitual liar, we are so screwed!

Again, another one who posts incessantly about the Islamification of Europe and tells us how crap Japan is compared to things 'stateside'.

I love Japan and I like Europe, I just don't like to swallow the liberal kool-aid that's all, hate the message, don't hate the messenger.

I assume you cannot vote in a European country nor in Japan.

I can vote in both.

If my assumption is correct, should we also disregard everything you say about European countries and Japan?

That's up to you.

"But Obama already made a country that believes in division, partisanship, racial divide" Not true. Muslims assimilate in the US far better than any other country. Obama is a great president because of that.

"As for the Iraq war, I still say getting rid of Saddam was the best thing, that's all I will say to that." This created ISIS and DT said it was a very big mistake for GWB to invade Iraq. This was a big mistake because Republicans say so. Please explain why it was worth so many troops dying and losing limbs over this. I don't support the troops just to support them. But what I do support is better policy and less lies (as in Iraq part II) so they don't get killed unnessarily to begin with. That's the best way to support them.

"I vote & pay taxes ONLY in the US. (Yet) I reside in JPN, DOD Facility" So you are in the Military. Have you fought ISIS or do you plan to?

"But Obama already made a country that believes in division, partisanship, racial divide" Not true. Muslims assimilate in the US far better than any other country. Obama is a great president because of that. "As for the Iraq war, I still say getting rid of Saddam was the best thing, that's all I will say to that." This created ISIS and DT said it was a very big mistake for GWB to invade Iraq. This was a big mistake because Republicans say so. Please explain why it was worth so many troops dying and losing limbs over this. I don't support the troops just to support them. But what I do support is better policy and less lies (as in Iraq part II) so they don't get killed unnessarily to begin with. That's the best way to support them. "I vote & pay taxes ONLY in the US. (Yet) I reside in JPN, DOD Facility" So you are in the Military. Have you fought ISIS or do you plan to?

See more at: http://www.japantoday.com/category/world/view/torture-works-trump-says-as-south-carolina-primary-looms#sthash.Q5nK9rBk.dpuf

You can't vote in Japan.

So now all of a sudden you know my visa status? My, my, you are really reaching now, aren't you?

Your opinion of Japan has no relevance according to you. Nor does your opinion of immigration policy in Europe. Bear that in mind.

Dude, seriously, keep trying. ROFL

ISIS are Bronze Age scumbags. Large areas of the US are civilised, 21st century people. The best hope for the US is that the civilised, 21st century types can hold back the tide of knuckle-draggers who want to sink to the level of theocrats.

Hmm, I call the liberals that would stand in the way to protect a group of radicals that would put their heads on spikes in a heartbeat the real knuckle draggers, except they have a taste more for the vegan plant matter.

I remember one US citizen telling me that if the Iranian theocracy was Christian, the uncivilised types would be looking at it with envy rather than hatred. Stay civilized.

Tell that to the terrorists please.

"So now all of a sudden you know my visa status?" Let's see. If you can vote in Japan what have you accomplished in your lifetime:

(1) You were CEO of a Fortune 500 corporation (2) Had a career in the military with special operations that you cannot talk about (3) Lived long enough in Japan in order to become a Japanese citizen to vote

Can you confirm all that?

Donald Trump <==> Josef Mengele. Indistinguishable.

Bass, when you became Japanese were you still able to hold on to your US passport? I hear the J. government does not like their citizens having other nationalities. Also, why did you choose Japan to have your citizenship?

I'll post this again for the bubble dwellers:

A 2014 Senate Intelligence Committee report concluded that harsh interrogation techniques failed to produce information the CIA couldn’t have obtained elsewhere or didn’t already have.

If you support torture it's not because it gets information, it's just because you like the thought of torturing Muslims. And for Republicans, that's like pornography.

It's been proven that torture results in the tortured saying what the torturers want to hear, not necessarily what the truth is.

"it's just because you like the thought of torturing Muslims" This is interesting. Then we should also torture drug cartel members south of the border. Could it help the war on drugs? Because all these drugs are killing more Americans than terrorists.

"A 2014 Senate Intelligence Committee report concluded that harsh interrogation techniques failed to produce information the CIA couldn’t have obtained elsewhere or didn’t already have. - article*

"If you support torture it's not because it gets information, it's just because you like the thought of torturing Muslims. And for Republicans, that's like pornography." - comments

The part where the Pope says Trump's a joke, that P Fran, what a cut up. Sorry, "If you support torture it's not because it gets information, it's just because you like the thought of torturing Muslims. And for Republicans, that's like pornography"

Did Clooney say this? Is this from a film? Great line. "And for Republicans, that's like pornography" Too right.

I'll post this again for the bubble dwellers:

If you support torture it's not because it gets information, it's just because you like the thought of torturing Muslims. And for Republicans, that's like pornography.

Anyone that wouldn't use interrogation methods on a terrorist that cause horrific and catastrophic damage on ANY society for the sheer purpose to annihilate them based on religious, political or because you don't like or feel that you are superior and believe others should be destroyed is cowardly, giving in to capitulation is nothing short of being pathetic undeserving of leading anything and for Democrats giving in to capitulation and weakness is equal to being someone's prisons sweet boy toy.

It's been proven that torture results in the tortured saying what the torturers want to hear, not necessarily what the truth is.

ask Khalid Sheik Muhammed and Abu Zubaydah and And al-Rahim al-Nashiri they'll tell you otherwise.

Bass.

Not all Interrogation Methods use Torture. Waterboarding is a form of Torture and thus forbidden in much of the World.

Why aren't the Cops using it if it is that efficient.

As was said before the person tortured will say and admit to anything to make it stop

"Anyone that wouldn't use interrogation methods on a terrorist that cause horrific and catastrophic damage on ANY society for the sheer purpose to annihilate them based on religious, political or because you don't like or feel that you are superior and believe others should be destroyed is cowardly" But under Obama no torture and NO terrorism. Are you sure torture works? Also, who are you going to vote for in the next Japanese election?

Demo of Waterboarding.

https://youtu.be/4LPubUCJv58

Looks like Family fun NOT, and the person tortured don't get the Instructions he gets to stop, etc.

Yes, Assassins in Japan used it to kill people and to make it look like an accidental drowning.

Not all Interrogation Methods use Torture. Waterboarding is a form of Torture and thus forbidden in much of the World.

So what's your point?

Why aren't the Cops using it if it is that efficient.

If they had jurisdiction and the skill and knowledge in dealing with terrorists or terrorism, then fine by me, but when a terrorist attack happens and they are apprehended by the police, the FBI or even sometimes CIA are called to further investigate in deeper and international detail and using resources that the police don't have and is far above their pay grade.

As was said before the person tortured will say and admit to anything to make it stop

ask Khalid Sheik Muhammed and Abu Zubaydah and And al-Rahim al-Nashiri they'll tell you otherwise.

Trump most probably is gonna won South Carolina,but whatever he says or does,i see no chance for him to be President of America,The only good job he is doing is to push more Americans in daily term away from Republic party.NOW it is the question of,is it Hillary or Sanders? Trump is doing a big show-as he get used to do in T.v-its really amusing,funny,makes people forget about every day stress,but for sure this circus show will never work with Americans when it comes to choosing USA PRESIDENT.

@FizzBit

except when it comes to a violent/controlling police state and expanding the military

You phrase this as if the Democrats are against this....LOL try something different

I didn't phrase it as anything other than plain English and made no mention of Democrats. You inserted your bias. Maybe you should try something different.

If you support torture it's not because it gets information, it's just because you like the thought of torturing Muslims. And for Republicans, that's like pornography.

Nope. Get it right. Torture the radical extremists, the "Jihadi Johns" for vital info. Not ordinary muslims. Nice try s.lib-

"Nope. Get it right. Torture the radical extremists, the "Jihadi Johns" for vital info. Not ordinary muslims. Nice try s.lib-" But you are in the Military so isn't torture against your code of conduct?

Who really cares about torture when your enemy doesn't play by the same rules you do? The code about good treatment of prisoners of war was created in an atmosphere where rival nations abided by these agreed terms to a large extent. Certainly not the case with the Middle East.

I can't understand why hippies are so against torture given the circumstances. In the Middle East Those who are captured are not fighting on behalf of a nation but an ideology. Genuin hate and the will to do harm to another group of people based off their religious beliefs is evil.

The "kill em with kindness" strategy has never worked for Islamic extremists. One can only hope a guy like Trump can come in and reverse all the leftist ideological moves made by our lousy president and his concubines.

Who really cares about torture when your enemy doesn't play by the same rules you do?

If you bring yourself down to your enemies level to beat him, even if you win, you become that which you profess to despise.

We set the bar higher than our enemies, because we hate our enemies.

The "kill em with kindness" strategy has never worked for Islamic extremists.

Bombs and guns are not kindness. We kill them. We just don't torture them.

But you are in the Military so isn't torture against your code of conduct?

I'm not in the military. But I'd be okay with waterboardong. If they'd asked me to cut-off someones head, I would NOT commit such an act.

I can't understand why hippies are so against torture given the circumstances.

RofL!

I can't understand why hippies are so against torture given the circumstances.

Because if you become what you despise in order to kill it, then you still lose.

"Because if you become what you despise in order to kill it, then you still lose."

I did not know waterboarding kills.

The great wall of Donald. I can see what he is doing. He don,t care about illegals, He want a tourist attraction.

“But we should go much stronger than waterboarding,” he said. “That’s the way I feel. They’re chopping off heads. Believe me, we should go much stronger because our country’s in trouble, we’re in danger."

This deluded garbage just makes ISIS feel vindicated in every terrible thing they do.

"We have people that want to do really bad things.”

Yes, they've got the thumbscrews, racks and pliers all ready at Langley and Guantanamo Bay. Just waiting for this idiot to give them the nod. Except that he won't.

"I'm not in the military." "vote & pay taxes ONLY in the US. (Yet) I reside in JPN, DOD Facility." Can you clarify what you do? It seems you are trying to imply that you have some kind of command of opinion regarding torture from how you push your job details in these conversations? Kind of like Bass and how he pushes his "job history" in these conversations.