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For Trump, Moore's predatory behavior probably isn't even a bug. It's a feature.

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The last thing we need in Alabama and the U.S. Senate is a Schumer/Pelosi puppet who is WEAK on Crime, WEAK on the Border, Bad for our Military and our great Vets, Bad for our 2nd Amendment, AND WANTS TO RAISES TAXES TO THE SKY. Jones would be a disaster!

Is there a special home for those incapable of appropriate capitalization? I've other issues with this as well, but let's start with that.

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Trump: I stand with the pedophile.

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For Trump, Moore's predatory behavior probably isn't even a bug. It's a feature.

So Trump should support the Democrat that's for open borders and for unfettered late term abortion, seems only logical. Smh.

Liberals....dear Lord.....

Wonder why Moore's challenger is not running on his record...hmmmmm.....

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On every America/Trump article on this site, there always are the same "people" posing as either Trump bashing committee, which accuses him of 8 deadly sins daily, no matter the article and essence of the topic, or Russian agents who protect both Russia and Trump's whatever endeavour however questionable it is. A real shame what they did with internet's freedom of though, mighty shameful...

Unless there is a proof of logical origin, undebatable in court, all those allegations are mere allegations and have no relation to the truth, whatever it may be.

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On every America/Trump article on this site, there always are the same "people" posing as either Trump bashing committee, which accuses him of 8 deadly sins daily, no matter the article and essence of the topic, or Russian agents who protect both Russia and Trump's whatever endeavour however questionable it is. A real shame what they did with internet's freedom of though, mighty shameful...

Unless there is a proof of logical origin, undebatable in court, all those allegations are mere allegations and have no relation to the truth, whatever it may be.

Bingo!

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Liberals need to remember that prior to 1992 (when all the accusations supposedly took place) Roy Moore was one of their own: a democrat. . . .

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"If he wins... it becomes a story every day about whether or not you believe the women or Roy Moore. If you lose, you give the Senate seat" to a Democrat, he told CNN.

Yep. Lovely party you've built there, Graham.

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"Liberals need to remember that prior to 1992 (when all the accusations supposedly took place) Roy Moore was one of their own: a democrat. . . ."

Not relevant AT ALL. This is about a pediophile about to win office despite his offenses.

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Liberals need to remember that prior to 1992 (when all the accusations supposedly took place) Roy Moore was one of their own: a democrat. . . .

So... evidence that becoming Republican is further degeneration of the sickness?

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"This is about a pediophile (sic) about to win office despite his offenses."

The armchair legal experts need to look up the definition of "pedophile". That is the crime when an adult preys on a pre-pubescent child. Unless there is proof somewhere that Roy Moore did that sort of thing back in the day when he was a registered democrat, the accusation is groundless. . . .

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Trump : "You know the saying 'Birds of a feather flock together'? Well I like to say "Pedophiles of the like ride the same bike.....and I have 2!"

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Moore likes underage girls. That's OK for Republicans. Just don't be a gay person asking for a cake or a transgender trying to use the bathroom. They lose their minds over those people.

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Liberals need to remember that prior to 1992 (when all the accusations supposedly took place) Roy Moore was one of their own: a democrat. . .

Just because you're all about team politics, doesn't mean we are. We'd be calling for his resignation regardless of party.

This is about a hebephile about to win office despite his offenses.

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So... evidence that becoming Republican is further degeneration of the sickness?

So. . . .where are all the accusations that Roy Moore did such things after switching political parties in 1992. The ones he is alleged to have done occurred in the mid-1970s when he was a democrat. . . .

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That is the crime when an adult preys on a pre-pubescent child.

Just wow... Splitting hairs about pedophilia just to justify your leaders. I didn't think it was possible, but the right has sunk below rock bottom.

back in the day when he was a registered democrat

You keep saying that like that's the relevant tidbit about the Moore's life at the time.

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Unless there is a proof of logical origin, undebatable in court, all those allegations are mere allegations and have no relation to the truth, whatever it may be.

Fact, Moore is just like Trump, a self-promoting who lies about his beliefs. Baptists were founded on the idea of separation of church and state. The church doesn’t need the state to survive. He is just another publicity seeking charlatan and a hypocrite with no respect for the constitution. There is sufficient evidence for any rational person to label him a pedophile. I’ve never heard of anyone getting banned from a mall, but he was banned for targeting high school girls. The women who have came forward are more believable than Trump or Moore. truly disgusting the support for this man.

The right wing wants to win at any cost and know no shame. And what are they winning? Tax cuts for the wealthy at the cost of deficit spending.

Hypocrisy has a name, the GOP.

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So. . . .where are all the accusations that Roy Moore did such things after switching political parties in 1992. The ones he is alleged to have done occurred in the mid-1970s when he was a democrat. . . .

He proved his worth for Republicans.

Come on man. Grow up. As strangerland said this is not about which party you belong to.

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So. . . .where are all the accusations that Roy Moore did such things after switching political parties in 1992. The ones he is alleged to have done occurred in the mid-1970s when he was a democrat. . . .

So? What relevance does this information have to the story? It seems like entirely useless information...

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@Haaa Nemui - agree with you completely. It is not about what party one belongs to. That said I believe Al Franken needs to step down as does John Conyers.

It is likely quite difficult to find anyone decent that wants to be involved in politics anymore.

In this specific case I think Moore should step down.

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I’ve never heard of anyone getting banned from a mall, but he was banned for targeting high school girls.

It was a good thing that authorities moved to ban a predatory democrat from shopping malls and school grounds in the mid-1970s. . . .

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It was a good thing that authorities moved to ban a predatory democrat from shopping malls and school grounds in the mid-1970s. . . .

Yes it was. And it would be a good thing that if the banned a predatory Republican from office in the mid 2010s.

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It was a good thing that authorities moved to ban a predatory democrat from shopping malls and school grounds in the mid-1970s. . . .

So it was good that he suffered consequences back when he was Democrat, but now that he's a Republican, he gets a free pass?

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And it would be a good thing that if the banned a predatory Republican from office in the mid 2010s.

Heh, provide the evidence that Roy Moore committed these politically disqualifying acts since switching political parties in the early 1990s.

In fact, the "14-year-old girl" had one of her divorce decrees signed by Judge Moore in 1999. One would think she would said something nearly 20 years ago. Instead, she waited until about a month before this election to speak out. What's more, she refuses to let handwriting experts examine the "smoking gun" yearbook from 1977 to validate the signature by then-ADA Roy Moore.

The clock is ticking. Alabamans are waiting to see that proof before they go to the voting booth in a little over two weeks. . . .

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@Tokyo-Engr - right? Anybody with these kinds of accusations against them should be stepping aside until cleared. There seems to be a recurring pattern in these forums though with people like you and me vs others whose defense is based purely on which side of the political spectrum their accused is. Sad.

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but now that he's a Republican, he gets a free pass?

A free pass? Not sure about that. I live in Texas. The Alabama voters will the ones deciding Judge Moore's political future the middle of next month. . . .

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Not relevant AT ALL. This is about a pediophile about to win office despite his offenses

Alleged. How about letting the people of Alabama decide what is right or not. We don’t live there, so our opinions don’t matter at all.

Just because you're all about team politics, doesn't mean we are. We'd be calling for his resignation regardless of party.

You can call it and the people of Alabama can tell us to stick it as they should, there problem, not ours.

Fact, Moore is just like Trump, a self-promoting who lies about his beliefs.

Then you need to include a bunch of Democrats in that category, two come to mind.....

Baptists were founded on the idea of separation of church and state. The church doesn’t need the state to survive. He is just another publicity seeking charlatan and a hypocrite with no respect for the constitution.

Oh, a lot of politicians have been spitting on the constitution, a lot.

There is sufficient evidence for any rational person to label him a pedophile.

Without a trial, they said the same thing about Blacks not so long ago where just casting doubts of your innocence could get you a rope.

I’ve never heard of anyone getting banned from a mall, but he was banned for targeting high school girls.

Doesn’t mean he was a pedophile?

The women who have came forward are more believable than Trump or Moore. truly disgusting the support for this man.

Yeah, 3 of the accusers are Democrats and one of the accusers worked on last years Democratic campaign and funny after 40 years when this election pops up, the accusers come out. Define: irony.

The right wing wants to win at any cost and know no shame. And what are they winning? Tax cuts for the wealthy at the cost of deficit spending.

Yeah, don’t give me that, I don’t see the left trying with all their might to shove out Conyers and Franken. Win at any cost, hmmmm..I remember last year this woman....lol.

Hypocrisy has a name, the Democratic Party.

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All Trump is looking at is being able to pass decisions brought before the Senate for a vote. Meanwhile DEFCON warning system alerts just issued a level 5 alert two hours ago

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There will surely some Republicans who give his love of women under 18 a pass.

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A free pass? Not sure about that. I live in Texas. The Alabama voters will the ones deciding Judge Moore's political future the middle of next month. . . .

Then why does the GoP and Trump need to comment on Al Frankin? He admitted and apologized for groping women. Moore regularly assaulted high school age girls and used his position as a prosecutor to intimidate them. He refuses to acknowledge simple facts, like did he sign a high school girls book? Instead, his campaign tried to obfuscate his actions by targeting these women by asking for the book to submit the signature to handwriting analysis.

Anyone who supports Moore is just as disgusting as someone who supports Weinstein, who has also issued denials. Yet, the GoP is falling all over themselves to point at Weinstein and attribute his despicable acts to the Democrats. Moore is the GoP as evidenced by the backing of the GoP leader, Trump.

Face it, the GoP knows no shame.

“I never wonder to see men wicked, but I often wonder to see them not ashamed,” Jonathan Swift (1667-1745).

If hypocrisy is the tribute that vice pays to virtue, what does it say, exactly, when our most senior public officials feel no such compunction? What does it mean if we lose Swift’s capacity to wonder at the absence of shame?

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Heh, provide the evidence that Roy Moore committed these politically disqualifying acts since switching political parties in the early 1990s.

Again, what does anyone's party affiliation, past or present, have to do with their history of creeping on underage girls? Aside from the hypocrisy of it coming from a "moral values" Republican?

In fact, the "14-year-old girl" had one of her divorce decrees signed by Judge Moore in 1999. One would think she would said something nearly 20 years ago.

Because people were so willing to believe accusations from women back in 1999? Against a judge?

We're living in different times where decades old harassment cases are coming to light in all fields, left and right. It's a turning point where serial abusers are finally having their day of reckoning. Look at Bill Cosby.

What's more, she refuses to let handwriting experts examine the "smoking gun" yearbook from 1977 to validate the signature by then-ADA Roy Moore.

I've read that she'd be willing if it was an independent expert in a professional setting. But really...

The clock is ticking. Alabamans are waiting to see that proof before they go to the voting booth in a little over two weeks. . . .

You can't expect a "smoking gun" in decades old cases like this. The voters can only choose who to believe. You have dozens of corroborative accounts from friends, family, and just people in the community who remember the victim talking about the incident way back when vs. the denial of one man who was banned from a mall and had a reputation in the community for hitting on underage girls.

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Liberals need to remember that prior to 1992 (when all the accusations supposedly took place) Roy Moore was one of their own: a democrat. . . .

Good point, kudos to the Democratic party for getting rid of this slime. Says a lot about the GOP that they accepted him with open arms (though in fairness most of them now want to get rid of him too).

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There will surely some Republicans who give his love of women under 18 a pass.

A significant portion of Republicans would prefer to elect a statutory rapist over a democrat.

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Trump half-heartedly supports Moore as much-needed sop thrown to his base (the 35% of Americans who are the last to find anything redeemable in the president). McConnell opposes Moore as a Dem in the seat would be easier to explain away. The issue really has nothing to do with Moore's long-ago lust for pubescent girls. It's all simple political calculation.

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@Strangerland - as an American I find your statement a bit over the top. I am not registered with either party but I know many registered Republicans, none of which would do as you stated. I think "rainyday" sums it up pretty well - most Republicans wish Moore would just go away....)

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@Strangerland - as an American I find your statement a bit over the top. I am not registered with either party but I know many registered Republicans, none of which would do as you stated.

That's why I said 'a significant portion', rather than 'all'. There are plenty of Republicans who are good people, and just want a party that will run the country well. Then there are the team above country people, who would rather have a statutory rapist over a Democrat. And it's pretty clear by the number of people supporting Moore that this is a significant portion of the party.

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Trump is practicing the same policies as those that Dominate Japanese women in Japan in work and Political positions. The USA should send Trump to Japan so he can fit in with the same type mysoginist men in teh Japanese Govt.

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Then why does the GoP and Trump need to comment on Al Frankin?

Maybe because they’re the opposition party. I mean, Pelosi said that Conyers protected the rights of women, but was that before or after she found out he was chasing women in his drawers?

He admitted and apologized for groping women.

So did Trump but that doesn’t stop you guys from continuously attacking the man.

Moore regularly assaulted high school age girls and used his position as a prosecutor to intimidate them. He refuses to acknowledge simple facts, like did he sign a high school girls book?

Moore called Allred out (Yeah, Gloria) and challenged her to have a Professional Hand writing expert look at it and she seemed to waffle on the idea, why? Even Wolf Blitzer called out on it and as usual, Gloria hits a brick road and is always full of excuses.

Instead, his campaign tried to obfuscate his actions by targeting these women by asking for the book to submit the signature to handwriting analysis.

As he should.

Anyone who supports Moore is just as disgusting as someone who supports Weinstein, who has also issued denials.

If the accusations are true, then you would be right.

Yet, the GoP is falling all over themselves to point at Weinstein and attribute his despicable acts to the Democrats. *

He’s not running as a politician and trying to fight for a senate seat which if the rolls were reversed, the left would do everything they could to stay in power, we saw that last year.

Moore is the GoP as evidenced by the backing of the GoP leader, Trump.

Face it, the GoP knows no shame.

Oh, I could demolish that last comment too easily. The Dems have no room to talk, they protected Anthony Wiener for a very, very long time even when the GOP pushed for him to step down, the Dems huddled around him for the longest time until those photos came out and the Dems had no choice but to bail on him, not including the other outrageous things Wiener was accused of doing.

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So did Trump

Trump not only did not admit it, nor apologize, he threatened his accusers with lawsuits.

The Dems have no room to talk, they protected Anthony Wiener for a very, very long time

No they didn't. Try to stick with reality please.

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@Strangerland - in reality most Republicans are not supporting Moore (rightfully so) - no where near a significant part of the party. Most of them want him to get lost as they realize how toxic he has become.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/gop-senators-worried-moore-impact-trump-support-article-1.3658416

Trump and his admin are in the minority on this one. Yes there are those putting party above reason but in this case I think they are in the minority.

You are correct in pointing out that the Dems did not support Weiner (again they did not support him for all the right reasons).

I am not sure how someone who dated a girl of 13 when they were in their 30s can even look at themselves in the mirror. As someone who has a daughter I find this repulsive.

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@Strangerland - in reality most Republicans are not supporting Moore (rightfully so)

Good on them. Those are the good ones.

no where near a significant part of the party.

This is where I disagree. While I agree that it's (probably) not the majority of the party, the fact that there are major players in the party - including the president - that are supporting Moore and qualifying his actions with 'if he did it', shows that it is a significant portion of the party. Maybe that portion is only 5-10% (a number I'm pulling out of thin air), in which case it would by no means be a majority, but still a significant number.

I am not sure how someone who dated a girl of 13 when they were in their 30s can even look at themselves in the mirror. As someone who has a daughter I find this repulsive.

As someone with a daughter, I can't understand how people could even support this guy. I'd choose a stanch republican over a statutory rapist Democrat any day of the week.

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Birds of a feather. You see it with the predators and their supporters.

That swamp has become an ocean of sickness and rotten rhetoric.

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@Strangerland - we are now down to semantics - Regarding your last paragraph, it seems we are in full agreement.

Biden had the same problem and to their credit Time Magazine actually called him out on his behavior.

http://time.com/3713264/joe-biden-stephanie-carter-shoulder-rub/

On the other hand, the media often (not always as shown above) has a double standard when reporting on these issues (biased against Republicans). I observed this in the U.S. before moving to Japan and I am not sure it has changed or not.

On the other hand, the Republicans often portray themselves as being more "moral" than Democrats (which I also have a problem with). Neither political party has a "lock on morality". Each person is different and if we cut a cross section from either party we will find an equal amount of slime-balls.

Unfortunately, it all devolves into partisanship and it is a shame the American people (and I guess from reading here some from other countries too) get sucked into this partisanship. When this happens there are no winners except those with a solid lock on power (some people just seem immune to this stuff)

It will be interesting what the end result of all of this is (will Moore lose? will Conyers or Franken resign? Will more accusers come forward?...against Trump?)

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He admitted and apologized for groping women.

So did Trump but that doesn’t stop you guys from continuously attacking the man.

Recently, Trump even denied that he said that his celebrity allowed him to kiss women without their consent and even grab them by the genitalia. How crazy is that?

Everyone knows Trump is a creep, and there are many witnesses to his disregard for women. The reason why people will not let him go is that people like that should be held accountable. Denials only make people want to attack him.

Instead, his campaign tried to obfuscate his actions by targeting these women by asking for the book to submit the signature to handwriting analysis.

As he should.

She offered to allow an independent hand writing expert, but that was unacceptable for Moore because he couldn't buy the expert. Several people have compared the handwriting and said it looks like Moore's.

The Dems have no room to talk, they protected Anthony Wiener for a very, very long time even when the GOP pushed for him to step down, the Dems huddled around him for the longest time until those photos came out and the Dems had no choice but to bail on him, not including the other outrageous things Wiener was accused of doing.

Another "whatabout" argument? That all you have? What about your argument justifies supporting Moore?

Weiner initially denied his actions, but that didn't last. In addition, President Obama didn't endorse him for any reason to include political expediency.

Trump not only did not admit it, nor apologize, he threatened his accusers with lawsuits.

So did Moore (another similarity). Trump and Moore are trying to intimidate these women. Like Trump, Moore will never never never sue these women because his afraid of the information that will come out during discovery.

The GoP knows no shame.

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If this isnt about parties where are the similar calls for Franken and Conyers to quit from the Dems? Not just apologize without admitting guilt or step down from a committee but actually RESIGN? I have seen ONE Dem who has said that. This is with evidence and the behavior has been recent.

Meanwhile most of the Republican party has disavowed Moore, even with only circumstantial at best evidence that he did something 40 years ago.

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So did Trump

That statement comes out of an intent to deviate from the truth of just a lack of awareness.

The fact is that Republicans and a significant number of Americans did vote this man to power.

And that is worrying.

I dont have much doubt that Roy Moore will get elected. Deep down in the old fashioned south he stands for a belief system which people see disappearing. And these Good Ol' Boys and Gals will do anything to hold on to it.

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There will surely some Republicans who give his love of women under 18 a pass.

The legal age is 16 but it fits the narrative to keep incorrectly calling 16, 17 and 18 year old as 'underage' to imply wrong doing or 'creepiness'. Nobody is fooled by that. By the way, If you want creepiness, go see Joe Biden videos. Lucky for him creepiness isnt a crime.

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Now im seeing '13 years old' and 'early teens' and 'rapist'. Several people' (who?) said it 'looks like' his handwriting? Nice standard, unknown people say 'it looks like'. ONE girl was 14 and there is no claim of rape involved. The legal 17 and 18 year olds were often dating and hand holding, so they dont count as 'accusers'. in this case.

You guys really trying to stretch this story until is becomes what you want, huh?

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If this isnt about parties where are the similar calls for Franken and Conyers to quit from the Dems? Not just apologize without admitting guilt or step down from a committee but actually RESIGN?

Google is your friend:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/two-prominent-minnesota-democrats-call-on-al-franken-to-resign/article/2640991

http://www.businessinsider.com/democratic-voters-poll-al-franken-resign-2017-11/?r=AU&IR=T

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/11/21/progressive-groups-call-for-democratic-senator-al-franken-to-resign/23284073/

Meanwhile most of the Republican party has disavowed Moore

And yet the leader is saying that he should stay.

You guys really trying to stretch this story until is becomes what you want, huh?

We don't need to - it's horrifying being what it already is.

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The legal age is 16

Good that you cleared that part, now we can let guys in their 30s go about their business of seducing 16 year olds.

Lucky for him creepiness isnt a crime.

Roy Moore must be thankful that a crime is not a crime for some people.

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The legal age is 16 but it fits the narrative to keep incorrectly calling 16, 17 and 18 year old as 'underage' to imply wrong doing or 'creepiness'. Nobody is fooled by that.

So a 32 year old cruising malls for 16-18 year olds is neither wrong nor creepy in your book?

Say no more.

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@Blacklabel - I read that Moore did not dispute the fact he dated a 14 year old when he was in is 30's but he is denying sexual contact with the 14 year old. The 14 year old (now woman, a Trump voter by the way) is claiming Moore undressed her and put her hand on his genitals (with Moore's shorts on).

Moore is using the Clinton tactic of semantics (remember when Clinton said he did "not have sexual relations with that woman" and then had is own definition of sexual relations?). Those against Clinton railed against him for "parsing words" as they say. I think the same could be said of Mr. Moore.

Seriously, how can you defend this guy? (Moore). If you are trying to make a point that Moore is being treated less fairly than some Democrats who did the same or similar, I will give you that, but still? How can you defend this guy?

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The legal age is 16 but it fits the narrative to keep incorrectly calling 16, 17 and 18 year old as 'underage' to imply wrong doing or 'creepiness'. Nobody is fooled by that. By the way, If you want creepiness, go see Joe Biden videos. Lucky for him creepiness isnt a crime.

There is no narrative. He's more than just a creep.

Moore was a 30+ year old and a prosecutor trying to have sex with high school girls. He tried to force himself on a 16 year old in a car parked behind a restaurant where she worked. No telling how many other women are out there and which he was successful in asserting his power over them. Everyone knew he liked to "date" (disgusting euphemism) high school girls and thought he was a creep.

As a prosecutor, you would think he would know better than try to have sex with a 14 year old in Alabama.

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Recently, Trump even denied that he said that his celebrity allowed him to kiss women without their consent and even grab them by the genitalia. How crazy is that?

I’ll say this, there is another politician who’s done far worse, leave it at that.

Everyone knows Trump is a creep,

The haters, yes, we do know. The DTS is very strong within the left.

and there are many witnesses to his disregard for women.

And there are many that were on TV and said the ex’s t opposite.

The reason why people will not let him go is that people like that should be held accountable. Denials only make people want to attack him.

And it doesn’t change anything, when conservatives attacked Wiener nothing happened until he was caught again and the photos just made it impossible to cover for him.

She offered to allow an independent hand writing expert, but that was unacceptable for Moore because he couldn't buy the expert. Several people have compared the handwriting and said it looks like Moore's.

The same goes for Moore, they wanted the same thing, neither side trusts the others hand writing expert, plus Allred wanted a congressional hearing (gawd, what on Earth for?) Moore would be stupid just t take others that want to take him down face value. They should meet halfway. He feels strongly in his innocence, so you never know. Look how people and the media overreacted to the Duke Lacrosse incident. Rushing to judgment doesn’t help anyone, especially liberals.

Another "whatabout" argument? That all you have? What about your argument justifies supporting Moore?

Because I believe in the presumption of innocence. I never said, I supported Moore, but I do believe he is innocent until proven guilty.

Weiner initially denied his actions, but that didn't last.

STOP! There is absolutely nothing you can that justifies what Wiener did. Serving time is the best thing for him to reflect how stupid and selfish the guy was.

In addition, President Obama didn't endorse him for any reason to include political expediency.

Democrats could care less about their own, if they eject one, there’s another radical socialist waiting to take his/her place.

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You guys really trying to stretch this story until is becomes what you want, huh?

I'm horrified by Moore just as I am with Weinstein.

I see no difference between the two except degrees of economic power: cabin vs. luxury hotel, bumpkin prosecutor vs movie mogul.

I am horrified by the supporters of either of them....

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Because I believe in the presumption of innocence. I never said, I supported Moore, but I do believe he is innocent until proven guilty.

I believe in the presumption of innocence too. I have first hand experience working with falsely accused. But this isn't a criminal case where he is going to jail.

It is a case about moral judgment and fitness for office. Based on his disregard for the law and now for being a pedophile and predator. Moore isn't fit. Period.

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My post that it was commonplace in the 1970s for 30s-40s guys, especially famous ones, to date teenage girls seems to have been removed. It is both relevant and true as it shows the norms of that day and age. Can’t fairly apply 2017 standards to 1979 sorry.

my point is that if 16 is the age then it’s 16. The fact that you personally don’t like a 32 yr old dating 17 or 18 either is irrelevant.

Don’t like it, change the law where you live. Your opinion can be that it’s creepy, but it’s not “wrong”. Conyers has done wrong, Franken has done wrong. Neither being asked to quit and both being protected by Dems.

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Disregard for what law? When were the 2 things you identified him as actually proven?

Franken and a Conyers aren’t “fit” either. But there they are at work.....

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Nancy Pelosi just said on tv she can’t say if she believes the Conyers accusers because she doesn’t know who they are or how many. Also Conyers is supposedly an icon in our country too so he gets credit for that.

Somehow Dems get to judge and interrogate accusers in advance of believing them. Seems there also needs to be more than one in order to count. but aren’t ALL women supposed to be believed?

But then Im supposed to believe the one underage Moore accuser no questions asked. Double standard much?

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I'm horrified by Moore just as I am with Weinstein.

I see no difference between the two except degrees of economic power: cabin vs. luxury hotel, bumpkin prosecutor vs movie mogul.

I am horrified by the supporters of either of them....

I'm horrified that that now over 29 liberal Dems have been caught in these latest sexual allegations, why is that?

 But this isn't a criminal case where he is going to jail.

How? These women are all adults now, so you think he should go to jail for something he did 40 years ago? If you think so, then we have a previous president that should serve time if that's the case.

It is a case about moral judgment and fitness for office.

If that's the litmus test then a lot of liberals can't and should never serve.

Based on his disregard for the law and now for being a pedophile and predator. Moore isn't fit. Period.

Ok, that's your personal opinion, there are many people that think differently.

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I wonder if that principle applies to Bill Clinton too? Oops, suddenly the rules are all different. Of course, politics has nothing to do with that, LOL

You do know that your president is a self-confessed sexual predator too, don't you? In fact, he didn't just confess, he positively bragged about it. What rules would make you happy?

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The leader of The Democratic Party, Hillary Clinton, has now endorsed Doug Jones. The voters of Alabama will be given the choice of picking between Judge Moore and a democrat who has the support of the failed presidential candidate who was shellacked in the last general election. . . .

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Ok, that's your personal opinion, there are many people that think differently.

I've never heard of any State Supreme Court Justice being fired for disregarding the U.S. Constitution. Moore was. . . .

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Oh did Hillary actually endorse Doug Jones? Best news of the day!

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The leader of the Democratic Party, Hillary Clinton....

Have you told her she’s leader?

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@Blacklabel,

Yes. A TV ad where she supports him is now airing on TV in that state.

@luca

Don't have to tell her. Fortunately for U.S. liberals, she is the leader of all the democrats until a new presidential candidate is chosen in 2019.

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The voters of Alabama will be given the choice of picking between Judge Moore and a democrat

The choice between a disgraced judge and pedophile who disregarded the U.S. constitution in favor of fanatical views and a democrat who successfully prosecuted KKK members and honorably served in the military?

The choice is obvious.

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a democrat who successfully prosecuted KKK members

And who also defended a guy with ties to the KKK and a holocaust denier.

and . . . served in the military

Military service is no longer an automatic ticket to election success. Just ask Bill Clinton, Barack Obama and President Trump.

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@Aggie wow even a TV commercial, not just a one time interview!? great!

2 days ago article:

https://www.salon.com/2017/11/24/heres-your-leftover-turkey-the-case-for-hillary-clinton-2020/

Article say it has never happened that the defeated presidential candidate who won the popular vote has not been automatically considered a frontrunner in the next election. So either she is still the Dem party leader/front runner for 2020, or she is making negative history again! take your pick.

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Military service is no longer an automatic ticket to election success.

Pedophilia and unwillingness to respect a U.S. Supreme Court ruling as a sitting state supreme court judge no longer disqualifies someone from office as long as they are in the GoP. That is even before you get to his other so-called conservative views that align closer to those of a neo-nazi than an American. How is Moore even a candidate for the Senate? He has bamboozled Alabamans by playing a pious Baptist.

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Moore also said Muslims shouldn't be allowed in the Senate. But let's break that down into technical layers and analyze it....

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Oh kinda like Dems said Catholics cant be federal judges due to their belief system on abortion and gay marriage?

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/concerns-of-anti-catholic-bigotry-as-judicial-nominee-questioned-about-faith-74877

In both cases it is simply a matter of questioning where one's personal beliefs lie and if they can put those aside to do their job. Diane Feinstein (Democrat) felt this lady couldnt put aside her Catholic religious beliefs to be a judge. Roy Moore's (Repub) personal opinion is that Muslims cant put aside their religion to pass needed laws in the Senate.

both of those are not religious tests, just questions about if a person can put aside their own belief system for the good of all or not.

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My post that it was commonplace in the 1970s for 30s-40s guys, especially famous ones, to date teenage girls seems to have been removed. It is both relevant and true as it shows the norms of that day and age. Can’t fairly apply 2017 standards to 1979 sorry.

my point is that if 16 is the age then it’s 16. The fact that you personally don’t like a 32 yr old dating 17 or 18 either is irrelevant.

Really, Alabamans in 1979 were totally cool with 32 year old guys forcing themselves onto teenagers? Admittedly I'm not from 1979 Alabama but I'm having a lot of trouble believing that. If the behavior is bad enough that it is getting you banned from malls for being a pervert, then its highly unlikely that the contemporary society approves of it.

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@blacklabel,

Yeah, can't see the ad as it is only running in Alabama. But, I can picture her screaming at the camera, "Why isn't Doug Jones 50 points ahead, you might ask!!!!"

Jones allowing HC to promote him in a deep red state is foolishness on steroids. it is akin to him including his name to a Dead Pool.

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Trump doesn't find sexual assault and harassment, and likely pedophilia, a crime. It's no surprise he supports it.

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This is just another natural outcome of the "I'll support anyone who pisses off liberals," mindset of the far right. When your only purpose for being is a seething hatred for everyone from the center onwards, it's only natural to forget that you also oppose pedophilia and don't want to elect child predators to public office.

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I've never heard of any State Supreme Court Justice being fired for disregarding the U.S. Constitution. Moore was. . . .

I never heard of a liberal judge overriding a sitting president on a federal immigration ruling either, but here we are.

The choice between a disgraced judge and pedophile who disregarded the U.S. constitution in favor of fanatical views and a democrat who successfully prosecuted KKK members and honorably served in the military?

And who is a partisan political hack.

The choice is obvious.

If you like radical left wing politics, then yes. Again, the people will make the right decision for their State, they have two drastic choices, either vote for an alleged sexual abuser or a radical open borders guy that believes in unfettered full-term abortion a man who by the way is very quiet about his record and was advised to be.

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these pedo and child predator words are really popular here.

There was only ONE child involved at all in this and we are not sure if the allegations are even true or not. So quite premature to be using those words as representation of fact.

'But someone said he was banned from the mall!'. Well, someone else who is known and can be questioned who was also the MANAGER of the mall at the time said he cant confirm that. But lets keep believing the anonymous people. 'But the yearbook!'....never mind on that, Gloria took it and went into hiding when confronted about it being fake.

Really, Alabamans in 1979 were totally cool with 32 year old guys forcing themselves onto teenagers? 

I said 'dating'. Not the salacious sounding 'forcing themselves onto teenagers' that you cant prove. Of course no one was for people who force themselves on others, even back then. How can you force someone to go on a date with you? Its their choice and he supposedly even got their parent's permission before doing so.

never mind though, this topic is going to set a record for most articles about it in the history of this website for some reason.

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And.

Sexual assault is acceptable. Except if it's someone you don't politically support.

Astounding.

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Doug Jones was just a guy who was supposed to lose to whoever the Republican nominee was by 20 points or so. No one knows anything about him and he hasnt told us why he is even qualified for the position. Just like Hillary did, he is hoping he gets enough votes against his opponent (but not really FOR him either) to win.

The race might be closer now due to these 'timely' allegations, yes. But the allegations true or false still dont mean Doug Jones is qualified for this position or that he represents the views of the majority of the people of his state. That hasnt changed.

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Hmmm.

2017 got substituted for 1. in the above post.

Also astounding.

That said, given some of the views here, we might as well find ourselves in year one.

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Sexual assault is acceptable. Except if it's someone you don't politically support.

As opposed to late term abortion and open borders?

Astounding.

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As opposed to late term abortion and open borders?

Astounding.

The laws and process regarding sexual assault are slow, laborious and weighted in men's favour. It's almost like they are designed to put women off from reporting assault.

Oh, sorry for sticking to the topic!

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Perfect comeback when you can’t actually defend your position.

I did, you have two options that’s it. So if you are for unfettered late term, go with the Democrat.

If you are not sure about an accused alleged sexual stalker, go with the Republican.

Third, just stay home.

The laws and process regarding sexual assault are slow, laborious and weighted in men's favour. It's almost like they are designed to put women off from reporting assault.

That’s the lefts vew, whatever, most folks in Alabama are pro-life, I’m sure they will make the right decision as the people in Minnesota.

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Doug Jones was just a guy who was supposed to lose to whoever the Republican nominee was by 20 points or so. No one knows anything about him and he hasnt told us why he is even qualified for the position

Well, you've addressed him by name. Obviously you know who he is.;)

Here's a bit more about Doug Jones:

https://dougjonesforsenate.com

Accomplishments:

Served as a public prosecutor. He tried the two remaining klansmen in the 16th Street Baptist church bombings, and also served on the task force after Eric Rudolph bombed an Alabama abortion clinic.

So the choice is: vote for a public servant tough of crime, with proven record civil rights record OR, a pedo-predator, bible thumper who has twice been removed from the Alabama Supreme Court. A real hard call;)

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Sounds like we have a couple of conservatives who would vote for a child predator.

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Sounds like we have a couple of conservatives who would vote for a child predator.

But there was only ONE child involved. Everyone gets one gimme, right?

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Perhaps the US should investigate many of their Movie Stars of 40 years prior, as too other Personalities and start a McCarthyism style of Witch hunt - for all actions that they committed back then, that would nowadays be seen as inappropriate. This would, after all, be fair right ?. Indeed, how about going back in time to the start of their Independence and doing the same from there on forwards.... ?

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So the choice is: vote for a public servant tough of crime, with proven record civil rights record OR, a pedo-predator, bible.

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/tim-graham/2017/11/26/false-politifact-mocks-mrs-roy-moore-doug-jones-backing-full-term

Yeah, I read his record as well and not the one that he and other libs are so desperately trying to hide and if that’s the case then I think most Alabamans can come to their own conclusions. You allow a charlatan to mask as a champion for women’s rights, but speaks from the back of his neck and approves of unfettered full term abortion, who is for open borders, then if it comes to that, his record means that if he would even allow that, let alone be ok with it, then I personally would hold my nose and vote for Moore if it comes down to it.

Sounds like we have a couple of conservatives who would vote for a child predator.

Sounds like we have some liberals that could care less about late term abortion or van open borders.

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US: Sue until proven false

UK: Prove true, then sue.

Which is better ?

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Once again, President Trump is correct about Doug Jones. The last thing America needs is another democrat who is for open borders.

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One policeman was on video. quite a while ago. He showed police instruction.

When Judge Moore shows, don't let him go near cheerleaders.

Then mall store owners said when Moore comes to mall, girls to run into their stores and they locked store. Only molested stories are used. Other stories can't be used. Other stories had many polices and stores and girls talking.

BTW, anyone remember his wife's age? I wonder howls old she was when Moore was older than 31. From her age, you can compute how old she was.

Moore will talk within next 10 days.

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Trump iis upset on Ivanka because she said she belliieves accused. And when he mentions Moore inn his speech hisewoife wallkk away from him.

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I mean she believed accusers.

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That said, what does abortion and open borders got to do with Trump and Moore's predatory natures?

Oh nothing at all except those are actually issues that people consider when they choose to vote for a candidate. Things that have facts and have positions that each person takes. Like Moore being against the wall and for DACA, those are his positions. The election will be determined by issues, each candidate's position on them and how that matches what the voters in Alabama want.

Not some made up thing like someone's supposed 'predatory' nature.

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Of course I meant JONES is against the wall and for DACA.

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The US is the Laughing stock of the World at present. Not because of their elected President, but because of the infighting that's going on. They are simply portraying themselves as the weakest Country in the World, hey they wont even fire off any missiles in an attack without getting a lousy Lawyer to approve it...

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Not some made up thing like someone's supposed 'predatory' nature.

He's on tape admitting he sexually assaults women.

Nothing "supposed" about it.

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hey they wont even fire off any missiles in an attack without getting a lousy Lawyer to approve it...

For that, we can at least be thankful.

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Counts of poll are close. I think Moore needs medical care. Jones had been a tough prosecutor, report stated

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So it looks like the Right will prop up a child predator with fake positions from the other guy including open borders and late term abortions.

That means they really, really, really want this sexual predator in Congress.

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In the end, the voters of Alabama will determine if Moore is elected or not. If he is allowed to serve is another matter. If he is in fact elected, the taint of this controversy will dog his term and impede his ability to do his job, that's a given. So it is understandable that a lot of people ( even within his own party) think it would be best for him to step aside.

But....... It must be seriously considered that this is Alabama we're talking about and a significant number of Alabamians have some pretty strong opinions about how they think things should be. Their opinions are not always in tune with what many consider to be the more progressive and enlightened points of view espoused by the more progressive and enlightened members of society.

Roy Moore is a good ole boy of the finest order, he thinks Alabamian, he talks Alabamian and he is a true son of the South. For a bunch of Alabama voters that's all that counts. They just don't see things the same way as they do in California or New York or Washington for that matter. And like I wrote earlier it's the voters of Alabama who will be the final arbiters of this contest. Let's see what they do.

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@Super: He is a Senate candidate. He is not running for Congress. Trump wanted him to be able to vote for his tax bill in Senate.

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The Leftist press keeps saying that Trump is supporting Moore but no where have I heard Trump or his spokesman say that he endorses him.

And no, arguing against Moore’s opponent does not constitute support for him. I opposed Hillary last year because she is a criminal who is never held accountable for anything. That did not mean that I supported Trump - I didn’t want to vote for him either.

Don’t become part of the political game and takes sides Japan Today. Stick to the facts and play it straight.

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Good morning all...seems Trump is starting to backtrack (a little) on his support for Moore.

Oh, and why Americans are distracted arguing against each other over sexual peccadillos guess what? There is something both parties in Congress can fully agree on! Continued mass surveillance of the American public. This is something Presidents of both parties agree on and Congress agrees on regardless of who has the majority.

http://thehill.com/opinion/cybersecurity/361875-congress-poised-to-jam-through-reauthorization-of-mass-surveillance

But better to focus on Franken, Moore, and Conyers....

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So it looks like the Right will prop up a child predator with fake positions from the other guy including open borders and late term abortions. 

But it if They choose a Democrat that doesn’t care about national security allows open borders and is ok with late term abortion is not much of a choice, the people of Alabama have to decide where they stand.

That means they really, really, really want this sexual predator in Congress.

alleged, nothing proven.

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if They choose a Democrat that doesn’t care about national security allows open borders and is ok with late term abortion is not much of a choice,

You realize this Democrat hasn't made statements in line with anything you have said above right? Are they telling these lies on Fox and Bartbreit these days?

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You realize this Democrat hasn't made statements in line with anything you have said above right?

Exactly as I stated because he knows he would never even considered if he campaigned on his support for abortion and open borders.

Are they telling these lies.

I don’t lie and it has nothing to do with FNC or Breitbart. Anyway, the people in Alabama will ultimately decide, but I do feel sorry for them either way.

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I don’t lie and it has nothing to do with FNC or Breitbart. Anyway, the people in Alabama will ultimately decide, but I do feel sorry for them either way.

Yes, you do. In the article about Trump lying about Time wanting him to be on its cover you stated Time printed thousands of copies congratulating Clinton for winning. That wasn't Time, it was Newsweek.

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Sounds like we have some liberals that could care less about late term abortion or van open borders. liberals care about the woman right over her own body, same as the Republicans right to bear arms , no matter what the cost in human lives lost

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 liberals care about the woman right over her own body, 

So do the GOP, but add to that, they also care about life in general, if you can give me a good and valid reason to kill a full term child. What's wrong with giving it to someone that wants or can't have a child? There are thousands of people that would gladly take the child and again, I am talking about a full term child that can survive out of the womb on its own.

same as the Republicans right to bear arms , no matter what the cost in human lives lost.

How does hunting or using a firearm to protect myself or my family have anything to do with "late term" abortion. The argument is not abortion which is IMHO bad enough, it's about terminating a full term and fully developed human being.

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bass4funkToday  08:51 am JST

I am talking about a full term child that can survive out of the womb on its own.

Doug Jones wasn't. You've got absolutely nothing to support any assertion that he was.

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So do the GOP, but add to that, they also care about life in general, if you can give me a good and valid reason to kill a full term child.  in which state of America does it allow the abortion of near full term child! If a women is raped and falls pregnant why should she have to keep that child!.

they also care about life in general, all life is precious, until it steps on my property! over a hundred mass murders this year alone and yet no changes to gun laws, yep sure a lot of caring going on there

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