Donald Trump erupted furiously on Twitter for a second consecutive day over revelations the president himself is being investigated on allegations of obstructing justice Photo: AFP/File
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Trump announces he's being investigated

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By Andrew BEATTY

U.S. President Donald Trump announced Friday he is under investigation in connection with a probe into alleged Russian election meddling that is gnawing away at his administration -- and gathering pace.

The Republican leader also lashed out at the Justice Department's number two, the man tasked with organizing the probe.

The furious early morning barrage of tweets -- his second in as many days -- came as the special counsel investigating Russia's influence over his election pieced together a high-caliber legal team and readied to begin interviews.

Trump is accused of firing FBI director James Comey over his refusal to steer the Russia investigation away from former national security advisor and Trump ally Mike Flynn.

The president has denied trying to influence the investigation, but admitted Russia was on his mind when he dismissed Comey.

"I am being investigated for firing the FBI Director by the man who told me to fire the FBI Director! Witch Hunt" he tweeted from the White House shortly before a day trip to Miami.

That appeared to be the first public confirmation that Trump is being investigated for obstruction of justice -- and a digital salvo trained at Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who wrote a memo criticizing Comey.

A source on Trump's legal team attempted to clarify the missive, claiming he was reacting to media reports about the investigation rather than offering public confirmation.

Meanwhile, special counsel Robert Mueller -- a respected former FBI director -- has sought to beef up his investigatory firepower.

Peter Carr, a spokesman for Mueller, told AFP he now has "13 attorneys on board, with several more in the pipeline."

That will only add to a sense of foreboding that pervades the White House, from the crammed collective workspaces of junior officials all the way to the Oval Office.

The widened Russia probe could have far-reaching repercussions for Trump's presidency, transforming his closest aides into witnesses and sucking even more political oxygen out of the West Wing.

On Wednesday, Vice President Mike Pence took what he later described as a "very routine" step of hiring outside counsel to represent him.

Pence tapped far-from-average lawyer Richard Cullen, who litigated the 1980s Iran-Contra scandal, the Watergate affair and the 2000 vote recount in Florida.

As the legal rope has tightened, Trump's allies have gone on the offensive, questioning Mueller's credibility and floating the idea he may be fired.

Trump's apparent attack on Rosenstein also raised further questions about whether he will stay in his position or recuse himself from the investigation.

"As the deputy attorney general has said numerous times, if there comes a point when he needs to recuse, he will. However, nothing has changed," said Ian Prior, a Justice Department spokesman.

Top Democratic Senator Dianne Feinstein expressed concern that Trump may try to fire both Mueller and Rosenstein, warning "he's in for a rude awakening" if he thinks he can shut down the investigation.

"Even his staunchest supporters will balk at such a blatant effort to subvert the law," Feinstein said.

Trump also lashed out at the media, on a day that aides hoped would be focused on his decision to undo some of Barack Obama's detente with Cuba.

"After 7 months of investigations & committee hearings about my 'collusion with the Russians,' nobody has been able to show any proof. Sad!" Trump tweeted.

"The Fake News Media hates when I use what has turned out to be my very powerful Social Media - over 100 million people! I can go around them."

Trump's young presidency has been battered by allegations -- under investigation both by Congress and the FBI -- that Russia interfered to sway the 2016 election in his favor, in possible collusion with Trump's campaign team.

The president has long vehemently denied any collusion with Moscow.

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Trump announces he's being investigated

Hang on, is this real news or fake news.....

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"The Fake News Media hates when I use what has turned out to be my very powerful Social Media - over 100 million people! I can go around them."

Never mind that most of them are bots...

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Happy belated Birthday, Donny!

Couldn't have happened to a more deserving man.

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Of course the tweets don't make sense to you or I, he's not speaking to us.  

Every single public syllable is to reinforce the mythology he sold the people dumb enough to vote for him. NEVER anyone else. Not Republicans, not Democrats, never. Only Suckers, his audience.

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An American President being under a kangaroo court investigation by the opposing party is standard procedure these days.

There's no more rational discussion nor debate, just accuse, investigation, sue and bicker and met out punishment at baseball games if you don't get your way.

Washington is deadlocked into dysfunction.

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Couldn't have happened to a more deserving man.

Ohh, if only Democrats would spend more time helping America instead of chasing more rabbits down holes, they might actually be credited with contributing to their country and might win a few elections, but now I think that's asking them way too much. Enjoy the forest.

Every single public syllable is to reinforce the mythology he sold the people dumb enough to vote for him.

Dumb? how about this, the smartest thing was to make sure that Democrats remain at their lowest level of administrative and legislative representation.

NEVER anyone else. Not Republicans, not Democrats, never. Only Suckers, his audience.

Democrats can't win any elections, lost 1000 legislative seats. Gee, who's the sucker? LOL

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Ohh, if only Democrats would spend more time helping America instead of chasing more rabbits down holes,

Tranlsation: If only the investigations and probes would go away, all the bad stuff can be swept under the carpet and Joffrey can be allowed continue to dismantle the country and make some serious billions whilst doing so.

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Ohh, if only Democrats would spend more time helping America instead of chasing more rabbits down holes, they might actually be credited with contributing to their country and might win a few elections, but now I think that's asking them way too much. Enjoy the forest.

Obviously not a rabbit hole when there is an active investigation. Rather strange to both criticize the investigation while claiming to reapect the outcome.

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Every single public syllable is to reinforce the mythology he sold the people dumb enough to vote for him. NEVER anyone else. Not Republicans, not Democrats, never. Only Suckers, his audience.

Since a sizeable number of his voters also voted twice for Obama, I suspect that they remain persuadable going FWD. In other words, calling 60 million Americans dumb is simply bad strategy. "You're stupid now please vote for the party I favor for these reasons." No matter how compelling your evidence or arguments, you lost them at "stupid." Not all of them are as committed or pathological as the examples we see online. And many observers who see this rhetoric from our side are alienated.

I have family in Appalachia and PA, some of whom voted for Trump, but even those who didn't are surrounded by people who did. Slandering their friends, family and colleagues has what impact, do you think?

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Oh my...

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"Trump's legal team" - damn, that's gotta be a soul-killing job, arising each morning to parse his tweets and then issue interpretations that don't deepen the hole he's in.

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Translation: If only the investigations and probes would go away, all the bad stuff can be swept under the carpet and Joffrey can be allowed continue to dismantle the country and make some serious billions whilst doing so.

What proof? There is no proof or evidence. If there is, what is it and what do you know that the Feds don't? The ONLY people that are dismantling the country are the whining libs that still can't get over an election they could have easily won but had No message, zero solutions and now that Trump won, they feel emboldened to defy the system, the people and get him out of office. For the last 5 months what besides crying their eyes out have the Democrats done for the country? Besides depleting our forest of trees? Also, the previous president got a book deal for $60 million, I guess he's going to be racking up the big bucks as well.

Obviously not a rabbit hole when there is an active investigation.

A BS investigation that was pushed because of a theory that there might possible collusion which turned out to be completely false and now since that plan got shot to pieces, let's see if we can get him on obstruction charges on either some previous business dealings OR what, how and why he fired Comey. Reminds me of that Adam Ant song-"Desperate, but not serious"

Rather strange to both criticize the investigation while claiming to respect the outcome.

I am not objecting to an investigation, I am objecting to the reasons and true intentions for this (yawn) new investigation.

I have family in Appalachia and PA, some of whom voted for Trump, but even those who didn't are surrounded by people who did. Slandering their friends, family and colleagues has what impact, do you think?

Whether you voted for Trump or not, was a supporter of Hillary or Sanders words matter in the sense, if you call people stupid or incompetent or whatever epithet you use doesn't go well with people. Mitt Romney and Hillary Clinton found out the hard way.

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I just would like this to end and fast. As I said before it would be nice to get on with hearings, with real evidence presented including actual citing where laws were broken, with the hearings in a public forum such as C-Span. If portions of the hearings involve classified material then of course those portions can be done in a different venue. Get the facts (there are plenty of "leaks" floating around now and speculation) and then if Trump acted illegally move forward with impeachment hearings. If not finish the investigation and move on.

I am not sure if I would support Pence (I am a "classical liberal" not progressive) but I must admit the way he handles himself (and has handled himself during this issue - hiring counsel for this situation is normal I believe) is like "night and day" compared to Trump. Agree with Pence or not at least he appears to have class and a demeanor that is conducive to being President, unlike Trump.

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"A source on Trump's legal team attempted to clarify the missive, claiming he was reacting to media reports about the investigation rather than offering public confirmation."

Oops! Trumped again by Twitter! It's amusing to watch Trump's team -- legal or politcal -- struggle to explain the man's inability to keep his mouth shut. Haha.

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Drain the swamp! Lock him up!

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Classic. Last week's Trump:

"Vindicated! I wasn't under investigation!"

This week's Trump:

"I'm under investigation"

Anyone who wasn't an absolute idiot saw that coming after Comey's testimony.

As for calling people who voted for Trump 'stupid', every day just proves more and more that they were fooled into somehow thinking this guy was qualified to be president. The true divider between stupid and not, will be those who are able to accept that they made a mistake, and those that don't realize. But the really bad ones will be those who realize, but double down on Trump because they don't want to admit the mistake they made out of pride.

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Get the facts (there are plenty of "leaks" floating around now and speculation) and then if Trump acted illegally move forward with impeachment hearings.

Even if he is found guilty in a court of law, impeachment looks unlikely. GOP congress, and they've shown clearly that the put party above country.

Unfortunately a guilty Trump will only vindicate those of us who pointed out that he would be a failure since the start. It won't change the leadership of the country.

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Trump announces he's being investigated

Like Obama was wiretapping him? With Trump until you hear from the people investigating him you never know what's real.

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Maybe be the dummy should lay off the Tweets.

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@Strangerland....I think you may be surprised. My feeling is that if he is found guilty there is a reasonable chance of impeachment. He has been so polarizing and it has become so evident that he is not fit for duty (based on his actions, not necessarily what he said during his campaign) that I believe there are many within the GOP that would be relieved to have an excuse to replace him with Pence. Additionally it seems in the background that Pence has been being prepared to take office.

I have never really seen anything like this. I remember Watergate and Nixon is nearly a saint when compared to today's politicians (regardless of party).

I think there is a 50/50 chance of impeachment if he is found guilty based on factual evidence.

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I think there is a 50/50 chance of impeachment if he is found guilty based on factual evidence.

I'm not as hopeful as you. It's not impossible he will be impeached, but the Republican party has clearly sold out the country for their party, so I don't see them suddenly changing their tack.

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"Even his staunchest supporters will balk at such a blatant effort to subvert the law," Feinstein said.

I disagree. He's already developed a personality cult. His cult members will drink his kool aid and blame the MSM, libs and dems for any and all problems linked to him, then claim he's being victimized.

Trump knows his true believing followers have bought into his binary world belief system. He knows they are incapable of seeing their idol as the billionaire huckster he is, a man who cares jack nada about anyone outside his family.

His fellow Republicans will find that his Russian connections are partly about loans he couldn't get from US banks. They'll see it was about him getting richer and accept it.

After all, the Republican hierarchy cares only about maintaining the fortunes of their richest members. Many Republicans seem to be siding with him, hoping to get more of the rubles the Russian oil-igarchs, oligarchs and gangsters are paying out.

I think with so much at stake for the Republicans and their wealthy backers there's little chance Trump will be impeached. The Republicans don't care about the US, nor that much about their party; it's all about the .01%.

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Donald Trump

I am being investigated for firing the FBI Director by the man who told me to fire the FBI Director! Witch Hunt

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Even if he is found guilty in a court of law, impeachment looks unlikely. GOP congress, and they've shown clearly that the putting party above country.

No, that would be the Democrats, they could use their time wisely, get off their rears and go to work instead of sucking their thumbs and put the party before the country, but I'm ok with it, I want the Dems to stay locked in the Unicornverse and in the wilderness where they belong on the range where the buffalo roam. Either way, Trump is out, we have President Pence, just as good.

Unfortunately a guilty Trump will only vindicate those of us who pointed out that he would be a failure since the start. It won't change the leadership of the country.

Of course not, but it wouldn't be the first time the left would waste our time.

Trump knows his true believing followers have bought into his binary world belief system. He knows they are incapable of seeing their idol as the billionaire huckster he is, a man who cares jack nada about anyone outside his family.

Nor should he.

His fellow Republicans will find that his Russian connections are partly about loans he couldn't get from US banks. They'll see it was about him getting richer and accept it. 

What connections? Even the fiercest critics on the liberal side have zero evidence and nothing to prove of any collusion that is why the lame liberals had to change their tactics in trying to find something to get this president, so let's try obstructionism. Good luck. ROFL

After all, the Republican hierarchy cares only about maintaining the fortunes of their richest members. Many Republicans seem to be siding with him, hoping to get more of the rubles the Russian oil-igarchs, oligarchs and gangsters are paying out. 

It gets me when Liberals peddle that kind of crap, some of the richest people on this planet, especially in California, Nevada and NY are filthy rich and powerful and are they siding with the people, Nope. They are siding with trying to rule the country by indoctrination, intimidation and identity politics and how do we know they don't have any secret dealings with the Mullahs? After all, the last admin. was so adamant about protecting their now falling apart deal. You never know....

I think with so much at stake for the Republicans and their wealthy backers there's little chance Trump will be impeached. The Republicans don't care about the US, nor that much about their party; it's all about the .01%.

If they didn't care, they would have given in to the Democrats a long time ago.

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Bass:

I am not objecting to an investigation, I am objecting to the reasons and true intentions for this (yawn) new investigation.

And yet you seemed very keen to see Clinton investigated and then re-investigated after she was found not to have done any wrong.  And still you bang on about her.

What would it take Trump to do before you could say he was in the wrong (without invoking Obama or Clinton)?

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If Trump is innocent there will be no evidence against him and he has nothing to worry about. There is no need to whine about a "witch hunt" if you have done nothing wrong.

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@strangerland lets bet a friendly virtual beer on this one. Dianne Feinstein made a lot of sense in the quote referenced by Mr. Townsend above (Dianne Feienstein has a very long time presence in Washington and does not say things lightly). I would also be willing to bet some of the leaks come from staff with am "R" after their name. They have to find him guilty to get to the impeachment process but if they do it is going to get interesting. I'll take the bet if he is found guilty of blatant crimes against the state or of activity which can be construed as treason he gets impeached. I think he is foolish enough to tweet things that put seals the impeachment deal.

Regardless it is going to get interesting.

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How is it that after 8 years of republicans refusing to work with Obama that some posters have the audacity to complain about the democrats now? The republicans refused to work with Obama because ?. The democrats aren't working with Trump because he is incompetent and under multiple republican-led investigations.

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How is it that after 8 years of republicans refusing to work with Obama that some posters have the audacity to complain about the democrats now?

Pure and unadulterated partisanship. Party before country.

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Let's be clear that the investigations are republican led. Let's also be clear that liberals didn't create a situation that resulted in Trump being investigated for obstruction of justice, Trump himself created that situation.

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@PTown a man who cares jack nada about anyone outside his family.

@bass Nor should he.

Thank you for reposting what I'd written, for offering no substantive rebuttal, and for agreeing that Trump doesn't care about the 320,000,000 Americans he's not related to.

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Nor should he.

Yeah! Why should the president care about the people he's supposed to represent, the country he was elected to care about? What kind of foolish president puts the people above his own wants? What a ridiculous concept, right?

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Let's figure out the most important issue facing us: How to arrange the drinking session.

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Trump announces he's being investigated

Must be the real first time he is saying something true...

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I think there is a 50/50 chance of impeachment if he is found guilty based on factual evidence.

Problem with that is that no court of law can try the president - only congress can do so. When the various investigations are concluded, the info will be observed by congressional party leaders (all GOP at the moment), and they are fully able to ignore it all completely if they so choose.

Circumstances may change after the mid-terms, but under the current congress, my guess is they'll just sweep it all under the rug, and none of it will ever become public.

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@strangerland sounds good and whiskey works as well....although a day like today makes a beer sounds good....

one key will be to watch Pence closely in the coming weeks. His actions and how others relate to him could be indicative of what's to come although outwardly he shows loyalty to the President inwardly he's probably torn

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When did justice become a radical, leftist principal?

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And yet you seemed very keen to see Clinton investigated and then re-investigated after she was found not to have done any wrong. And still you bang on about her.

Go back and read the WikiLeaks, Podesta files. Anyway, it doesn't matter, as a result, and in the end, it was her own selfish and sneaky acts that denied her the presidency.

What would it take Trump to do before you could say he was in the wrong (without invoking Obama or Clinton)?

Having concrete factual tangible evidence.

How is it that after 8 years of republicans refusing to work with Obama that some posters have the audacity to complain about the democrats now? 

What are you talking about, Obama refused to talk with the GOP, bypassed them, used his executive's powers constantly (and as you are seeing before your eyes, they are all being erased) Wouldn't work with Boehner, that rests with Obama, they wanted to work with him, but Obama wasn't for ANY compromise or it's back to his pen again.

The republicans refused to work with Obama because ?. The democrats aren't working with Trump because he is incompetent and under multiple republican-led investigations.

Yeah, but the difference is, they don't want to work with him for the simple fact, they don't like him and are still whining and crying, good.

Still wandering the wilderness.

Yeah! Why should the president care about the people he's supposed to represent, the country he was elected to care about? What kind of foolish president puts the people above his own wants?

An American president

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I want to agree with Tokyo-Engr but I just read a long piece in WaPo about Pence and he hardly strikes me as someone who's going to help ease Trump's exit. It emphasized his often gushing loyalty and included this line:

"Another former aide mentioned Pence’s almost military-style orientation toward authority.”

That said, if Trump can't deliver what the GOP and their billionaire boys club wants (tax cuts for the wealthy and austerity for the rest) and they think Pence can, they just might cut their losses. They fear him/his supporters. Don't mistake that for loyalty. Guys like McCain or Graham would love to put the knives in.

Not to mention the albatross effect going into next year's midterms and 2020. I know Americans love them some reality teebee but chaos will surely get old as time passes. Voters and his own rank and file may start longing for adult leadership again.

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As the legal rope has tightened, Trump's allies have gone on the offensive, questioning Mueller's credibility and floating the idea he may be fired.

Mueller was appointed Special Counsel by Trump's own Justice Dept.

With widespread support from Republicans

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[Trump announces he's being investigated]

"Hang on, is this real news or fake news....."

Ditto!

"Ohh, if only Democrats would spend more time helping America instead of chasing more rabbits down holes, they might actually be credited with contributing to their country and might win a few elections, but now I think that's asking them way too much. Enjoy the forest."

They did with Obama, (and still do) something Trump is so feverishly trying to reverse. Only because there are some intelligent Republicans left, are they forcing Trump not to totally dismantle everything with a Democratic name on it.

"Whether you voted for Trump or not, was a supporter of Hillary or Sanders words matter in the sense, if you call people stupid or incompetent or whatever epithet you use doesn't go well with people."

You do realise that Trump says the most stupid, disrespectful and hateful things, followed by actions of the same horrid rhetoric. Perhaps you should tell him to behave first. His bad habits must be rubbing off on people...

"Oops! Trumped again by Twitter! It's amusing to watch Trump's team -- legal or politcal -- struggle to explain the man's inability to keep his mouth shut. Haha."

The Secret Service in this instance, is not to protect the president, but to keep him away from his cell phone. They are doing a poor job of it.

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"The Russians ate my homework",,,,, it is amazing how this whole "Russia" BS narrative, with zero evidence, keeps on going. Of course, having the entire corporate media in line makes for a powerful echo chamber.

Meanwhile, Clintons crimes are documented on Wikileaks, but the corporate media pay no attention. Go figure.

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It's hilarious how some people decry leaks and then say the Russian investigations are pointless because there hasn't been any evidence made public. Do you expect the evidence to be leaked?

Not to mention the fact that investigations take time. Mr. Mueller is just now wrapping up recruiting lawyers for his investigation. Patience would benefit a lot of posters here. Like those that were screaming about Comey vindicating Trump. Had you had patience, you wouldn't be eating those words now that Trump is under investigation for obstruction of justice.

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@JCJapan - I completely understand where you are coming from and also I have recognized the intense loyalty shown by Pence. Many other Vice Presidents in the past have been the same way. I think it is political and a face that is shown publicly.

I am not a huge fan of Pence (we diverge on several social issues) but I tried to point out in the previous post that his actions and demeanor emphasizes one major reason Trump is not fit to be where he is; Pence can keep his mouth shut when necessary, knows when to speak out and when not to, and also shows the required loyalty for his position.

If the sh$t really hits the fan Pence may sing a different song.

I think President Trump will bury himself in the end. The way he has acted, some of the tweets he has made, and the fact he even uses Twitter so much is crazy and borderline dangerous to the country and in the end I think this may be his undoing as well.

Regardless we shall see and it will probably be like nothing we have seen before.

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Tokyo-Eng:

It's already like nothing we've ever seen before, and it keeps on going.

Pence is an astute politician even if you don't mesh with his ideas. This means that when the rubber hits the road, Pence isn't going to perjure himself to save Trump.

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WilliB:. with zero evidence

Your source in the FBI has leaked this to you?

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This is what happens when a rebel of the system became the president. They will cook up all kind of stories and find every little fault to kick him out. If they investigate every single president I'm sure they'll find the same number of skeletons in their closets. But this Russian hacking thing is just funny. I'm sitting amazed at how many gullible people believing this obvious made up story. Reality sometimes is stranger than fiction.

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When claiming that an issue currently under multiple investigations is "made up," the onus is on you to provide supporting evidence.

Of course, Putin's Posters and Trump's Trolls think that naked assertions of wishful thinking are evidence.

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"The president has long vehemently denied any collusion with Moscow."

Any evidence yet of that?  No?

Oh my...

TRUMP INVESTIGATED FOR OBSTRUCTION OF IMAGINARY CRIME OF COLLUDING WITH RUSSIANS TO DEFEAT CLINTON

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMkbL0aF8jM

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Any evidence yet of that? No?

Oh my...

Release the tapes, oh my.

"I'm not hinting anything", oh my.

" I'll tell you about it over a very short period of time.." oh my.

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"Release the tapes, oh my"

Heh, he's still waiting for Hillary to release her 33,000 emails.

Must be frustrating for libs to not have been able to get one scrap of evidence on that collusion, heh.

Oh my! 

"How Would YOU Feel??" Tucker DESTROYS Wendy Osefo on Russia Witch Hunt  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWnCHJ9gkr8

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Must be frustrating for conservative cupcakes to have been incorrect about Donny being vindicated by Comey now that Donny's under investigation for obstruction of justice.

It is quite obvious that republican buttercups are frustrated by the lack of leaks from the multiple Russian investigations. Wait, I thought rupubes hated leaks . . . How would any evidence of collusion be released from ongoing investigations unless it were leaked? But, if no evidence has been leaked, there must not be any. Errr . . . Did anyone else see that conservative go down that "rabbit hole"? Here's a shovel for you to help get yourself out.

See my 2:54 p.m. post for further education regarding the lack of publicly available evidence from the several investigations.

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To be clear, Trump is under investigation for obstructing justice. Obstructing justice means he attempted to influence an investigation that is trying to determine if a crime occurred. Even if collusion did not occur, Trump still could have obstructed justice.

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What's not relevant to the Russian investigations and investigation of Trump? Clinton's emails, Lynch, Obama, etc.

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Well, depending on how the investigation goes the people will pressure the government (GOP majority or not) to impeach Trump.  When enough people start marching outside government offices of congress, senate, and WH with "Impeach" signs, it shows that the citizens of the US have lost confidence in their leadership.  And in the face of public pressure either the GOP members will vote in favor of impeachment, or destroy themselves in the next election for their positions.

As with Nixon's situation, it all depends on how much the citizens feel they can TRUST their leaders.   Nixon was impeached because the majority didn't trust him.   Trump?  Very few trust him at his word.

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SSo which of the rats will jumping ship first for testimony with immunity?

NNice to see the inmates if the Republican asylum still shrieking about Hillary. Russian paid contributors are rather quiet today though, although the body can't run indefinitely on amphetamines...

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"Unity?" Sorry, there will be NO unity -- just as there was no unity during the Global Economic Crisis, and American families were hauled out of their homes and thrown onto the street. No unity then, no unity now. Until the American people get the president they voted for, everything the Trump Administration says or attempts to do will be RESISTED 100%. Fought against, tooth and nail.

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Nobody to blame but himself.

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kld hIt's hilarious how some people decry leaks and then say the Russian investigations are pointless because there hasn't been any evidence made public. Do you expect the evidence to be leaked?

No, but there is nothing in that regard, otherwise, we would have heard something by now. You guys need to relax, that ship sailed. New Plan!

Not to mention the fact that investigations take time. Mr. Mueller is just now wrapping up recruiting lawyers for his investigation.

So you personally spoke to Mueller and he told you what and how he's pursuing this case?

Patience would benefit a lot of posters here. Like those that were screaming about Comey vindicating Trump. Had you had patience, you wouldn't be eating those words now that Trump is under investigation for obstruction of justice.

No, it's very different, it's not about patience, it's more about a witch hunt and a lynching that is taking place, but Trump lawyers are pushing for Lynch to testify and if she has nothing to hide like Trump, she will gladly testify, if she doesn't, then she will stand in a long line of libs that refuse to testify and we shall see.

Must be frustrating for conservative cupcakes to have been incorrect about Donny being vindicated by Comey now that Donny's under investigation for obstruction of justice.

I think it's more frustrating for Libs because they can't get over this, they can't stop crying, they can't stop cutting trees, there's a back order on tissues. So now the Feds are going to try and find something, it's funny because, darnit, they can't find anything so far. Desperation hitting. LOL

It is quite obvious that republican buttercups are frustrated by the lack of leaks from the multiple Russian investigations. Wait, I thought rupubes hated leaks . . . 

Yup, the same as the Democrats.

How would any evidence of collusion be released from ongoing investigations unless it were leaked? But, if no evidence has been leaked, there must not be any. Errr . . . Did anyone else see that conservative go down that "rabbit hole"? Here's a shovel for you to help get yourself out.

So in other words, the Dems are once again digging, have at it, homie. The Dems thought it would be so easy, they started this BS and now they have a frustrating fight and as I keep saying, they keep it up, they will remain in the wilderness of lost souls and 1970's Elvis.

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Sometimes you do have to hand it to the ring-wing media:

Serrano: Any evidence yet of that? No?

and

WilliB: with zero evidence, keeps on going.

and

Bass: What proof? There is no proof or evidence.

and

blacklabel: (see any previous thread)

Here's how the investigation started, from Comey's testimony: "A credible allegation of wrongdoing or reasonable basis to believe that an American may be acting as an agent of a foreign power."

So that's how it all began. What was the allegation? By whom? Using what evidence? I don't know. And neither do you. But anyone saying there is no evidence is spreading fake news. See above.

Once the investigation begins, they are going to look at other potential crimes they come across even if it's not the original purpose of the investigation. That means the investigation can start with Point A and end with a conviction at Point C.

Think Bill Clinton. Both charges against him were for his statements about Monica Lewinsky, not the original purpose which was investigating a real estate transaction. Or Hillary. The investigation into her emails came about because of the Benghazi investigations. The Right's biggest media circus investigations into the Clintons weren't related to the original purpose of the investigations.

Keep that in mind when the right get all bent out of shape if the FBI and Special Council continue to investigate Trump even if the collusion allegations don't pan out.

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Super : Keep that in mind when the right get all bent out of shape if the FBI and Special Council continue to investigate Trump even if the collusion allegations don't pan out

YYou may count only on the sane my friend.

IIncredible to see "tough guy" Republican nuts bending over for the Putin administration, but hey it's party before country. Reagan would have sent them to Gitmo....

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No matter how clearly we explain how investigations work, some people can't seem to understand. I'm sure they do understand, they just refuse to accept it because it's their guy and his campaign being investigated. When it was either Clinton or Obama's birth, these people were more than happy for the investigations to drag on and on. In the case of Obama's birth, it wasn't an investigation, just Trump finding a whole lot of nothing.

How ever could I know that Mueller has just finished putting together his investigatory team? My relatives in the FBI told me. No, wait! It is my 30 plus years in the media. (Hahahahaha! And my chihuahua is the size of a Rhodesian Ridgeback). Or, I read about it:

https://www.google.co.jp/amp/s/www.wired.com/story/robert-mueller-special-counsel-investigation-team/amp

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We are "having at it," with a special counsel gathering facts.

None of us looney leftwingwrs have ever thought this was going to be easy. That's exactly why we've been saying investigations take time. It's the rational right that seems to think this would be easy given their constant spouting about how no evidence has been leaked by the various investigation, which has to mean there is no evidence. (If you aren't comfortable labeling it evidence, feel free to use the childish term "proof.")

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To the person posting links of himself on youtube, oh my. Could you link to vids of paint drying instead? Less boring and more factual. Oh my.

The president has long vehemently denied any collusion with Moscow.

Well, he would, wouldn't he? Very Nixonian of him.

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"No matter how clearly we explain how investigations work, some people can't seem to understand. I'm sure they do understand, they just refuse to accept it because it's their guy and his campaign being investigated. When it was either Clinton or Obama's birth, these people were more than happy for the investigations to drag on and on."

You are absolutely right, at least about Obama for sure. I remember when Obama played a little basketball, the rightwingers were crying foul for him taking a break after years of service.

Trump is president less than a few months and the right wingers applauded when he takes a break to play golf and to fly back and forth to Florida on tax payers money just to do "his" thing.

Some people just don't get it. They have a mental disability that wont allow them to grasp simple concepts. Others are just too proud to admit they are wrong and continue to look foolish when they try. Others are just internet trolls. They get a kick out of upsetting others.

I suggest to ignore those we know who have these issues. Having a good debate is one thing. But arguing with a wall is pointless and only glogs the comment section with junk. And to be fair, that goes for both sides of the isles, not just one side.

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@John Brown:

Astute analysis and well stated.

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What happened to patriotism? When did party over country happen? This Navy vet believes in the US systems of justice and that we should allow the investigation to unfold.

if Trump or anyone can n his inner circle colluded with the Russians or if he obstructed, then he should be impeached and removed and guilty parties sent to jail.

If they fail to uncover evidence, then he is vindicated. It's pretty simple, but anyone claiming his innocence or guilt now is jumping the gun.

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Speaking of "witch hunts," to put it in Wizard of Oz terms the Wicked Witch of the West has just turned over the hourglass, and "D" (you know who that is) only has that long remaining. But THIS time there shall be no rescue. The countdown to impeachment starts now!

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I am glad that there are no Trump supporters in Japan. I feel like I am in the crazy house whenever I talk to them.

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Ohh, if only Democrats would spend more time helping America instead of chasing more rabbits down holes,

Ohh, you mean giving millions of lower income Americans affordable health care, then President Orange took it away from them.

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