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In the end, the biggest interference in America’s elections didn’t come from Russia, or China, or Iran or North Korea. It came from the president of the United States.

We still don’t know for certain who won the election, although Joe Biden seems in a strong position to win the White House and Republicans to retain the Senate.

But we do know for certain that President Trump lied to the public early Wednesday morning when he claimed victory and sought a judicial rescue from voters. His brazenness undermines the US election system and the very idea of a peaceful transition of power.

It’s hard to imagine that the Supreme Court, however politicized it may have become, would go along with such a charade. I don’t believe that Trump, if he loses in a clear-cut way, will be able to remain in office; if he tries to barricade himself in the Oval Office, he’ll be escorted out on Jan. 20.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/04/opinion/donald-trump-election-2020.html

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Oh my! That doesn’t seem sporting. Har!

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“Stop the count!” the Trump supporters chanted in Detroit. ““Stop the Steal,” they chanted in Phoenix.

Sore losers.

Imagine the outcry if Biden supporters did the same when it wasn't looking good for the Dems.

This is what happens when you vote - numbers go up and down. Impossible to call it early on, like 45 did.

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That is alarming. The agitation of a reactionary right. But the Neo-liberalism of the Democrats forcing their candidate on the electorate is one of the worst chaotic forces on the public.

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Like angry monkeys behind protective glass...

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@expat

Care to post a link from a non-biased news source?

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Here in AZ people are showing up with AR-15s. Because you can't go to an election office without the ability to mow down dozens of people.

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wow I thought it was the dems that were the rioters oops protesters, seems like the shoe is on the other foot now. every vote will be counted in accordance with each states laws

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Even we socialists find the choice between autocratic one-party rule and two-party neo-liberalism an easy call to make. The US will never become a liberal democracy in the same fashion as much of Europe, or NZ, much less a more egalitarian socialist country. It is too fundamentally steeped in both religious dogma and the myth of the self-made man, and values money and possessions more than the welfare of others.

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It's a democracy if you win, a shambles if you lose, these people had their say when they voted. Intimidation they don't realise won't change the ballots now.

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Here in AZ people are showing up with AR-15s. Because you can't go to an election office without the ability to mow down dozens of people.

Stay safe.

Even international observers are concerned over the way Trump has allowed this chaos to coalesce.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/04/international-observers-us-election-trump-trust

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Imagine the outcry if Biden supporters did the same when it wasn't looking good for the Dems.

Guess you missed what was happening outside the White House last night when Trump had the upper hand and some of his supporters were stabbed.

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wtfjapan

wow I thought it was the dems that were the rioters oops protesters, seems like the shoe is on the other foot now. every vote will be counted in accordance with each states laws

These people look pretty pretty harmless compared to the rioting and looting "peaceful protesters" of Antifa-BLM that we have seen for months. Demonstration of media double standards anyone?

And the votes in question are these miraculous mass mail votes of dubious origin that are occurring in the democrat ran states that opted for this scam.

What you are seeing is the "red mirage" in action. I stand by my prediction that this will be decided in the courts.

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yeah so thats why you stop counting the votes to build the whole narrative that Biden is "leading" so that he can be portrayed as the legitimate one.

then by default anyone who questions his "win" is illegitimate and "causing chaos" because they wont accept the "results of the election".

Well, there are no results yet.

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Guess you missed what was happening outside the White House last night when Trump had the upper hand and some of his supporters were stabbed.

By supporters, you mean far right Proud Boys.

Enrique Tarrio, chairman of the far-Right group, and Bevelyn Beatty, who was arrested earlier this year for painting over a Black Lives Matter mural outside Trump Tower, were both injured in the melee, as was a third unnamed person.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/proud-boys-stabbed-washington-dc-enrique-tarrio-bevelyn-beatty-b1595242.html

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any apologies from any media after Trump actually wins Arizona?

Nah, they will just try to award GA or PA to Biden first, then ignore AZ and NV like it never happened.

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So dems didn't protest? From the same newspaper -

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/10/us/trump-election-protests.html

wow I thought it was the dems that were the rioters oops protesters, seems like the shoe is on the other foot now. every vote will be counted in accordance with each states laws

Also coronavirus restrictions also are state by state but guess who you always blame?

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Toasted HereticToday  02:59 pm JST

Sore losers.

Imagine the outcry if Biden supporters did the same when it wasn't looking good for the Dems.

No, they would not do "the same", they would do the real life rioting, looting and rock throwing that you have admired in those "peaceful protests" for months.

Still blind to the media double standard in reporting?

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yeah so thats why you stop counting the votes to build the whole narrative that Biden is "leading" so that he can be portrayed as the legitimate one.

They're chanting "stop the count" in Pennsylvania. Please try, one time, just once, just today, to follow the thread of what is going on.

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Ah, Portland: a caldera of extreme right- and left-wingers eternally waiting to explode. I visited recently, and the tension was palatable.

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No, they would not do "the same", they would do the real life rioting, looting and rock throwing that you have admired in those "peaceful protests" for months.

They should be given medals. Standing up to the terrorists in uniforms.

Defeating fascism isn't all peace and flowers, you know.

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stop the count.....of votes received after election day.

Because by now, everything received before the deadline should have been counted.

But PA claims they have 3 days after to accept new ballots and count those too.

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When he's losing they say, 'Stop the count'. When he's winning they say nothing! What a sore loser Trump is, has been, and always will be. Sad that there are still a lot of people who actually believe the idiot. Thankfully sanity has prevailed and, even though it was closer than many thought, the US can get back to some semblance of 'normal' from January. Lastly, Trump won Michigan by only about 10,000 votes in 2016 so it's not a big surprise that he would lose it by up to 50,000 votes or more. Thank you Michigan and Wisconsin and Arizona! You have saved us from 4 more years of having a criminal and thug in charge of this great country.

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These rightists have no shame. Stop bothering these hard-working volunteers doing their civic duty by doing the backbreaking work of going through thousands of ballots. If you want to complain to someone, go after your legislators who delayed the voting of mail-in ballots days or weeks ago. I guess that's why Arizona flipped from red to blue this time.

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stop the count.....of votes received after election day.

Because by now, everything received before the deadline should have been counted.

But PA claims they have 3 days after to accept new ballots and count those too.

In PA, the deadline hasn't been reached. If your ballot is postmarked on election day, it probably won't be delivered on the same day. Much postal mail rarely is - it often takes a day or two. This is why PA allows three days for ballots postmarked on election day to be counted. I hope this has been educational.

Let's count the votes.

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Thank you Michigan and Wisconsin and Arizona! You have saved us from 4 more years of having a criminal and thug in charge of this great country.

Let's not celebrate just yet. There are still plenty of votes that need to be counted.

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yeah so thats why you stop counting the votes to build the whole narrative that Biden is "leading" so that he can be portrayed as the legitimate one.

then by default anyone who questions his "win" is illegitimate and "causing chaos" because they wont accept the "results of the election".

Well, there are no results yet.

This is exactly what Trump's argument in Pennsylvania is.

Biden is the one actually saying there is no result until all votes are counted, including in Arizona where the count might tip towards Trump as a result.

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Georgia: Democrats still have a chance of coming away with 50 senate seats.

The election sis not finsihed until all votes are counted. PA has until Friday, tomorrow. THAT IS THE LAW.

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Let's not celebrate just yet. There are still plenty of votes that need to be counted.

Good point. There are still a lot of votes to be counted. It's unfortunate that some legislators felt that early mail-in ballots were not allowed to be opened and counted early. It could've saved people a lot of time. It's also a shame that Trump feels the need to bypass laws and stifle the voices of Americans by not allowing their votes to be counted. That in itself is so un-American.

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stop the count.....of votes received after election day.

if mail in votes are date stamped on the day of the election theyre are legal!

that is the official day the voter actually signed his ballot, pretty much like all other legal documentation.

if the mail is too slow thats got nothing to do with the voter or the electoral commission in the state.

all votes will be counted

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stop the count.....of votes received after election day.

They are still counting the ballots they received before election day. It's not even three days after the election and Biden is already catching up. Biden will win this one.

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Ridiculous. Show some class Trump and concede.

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Why do you need to be armed here?

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Ridiculous. Show some class Trump and concede.

He may have won the election. It's not over yet.

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jack o helenToday  03:28 pm JST

These rightists have no shame. Stop bothering these hard-working volunteers doing their civic duty by doing the backbreaking work of going through thousands of ballots. If you want to complain to someone, go after your legislators who delayed the voting of mail-in ballots days or weeks ago. I guess that's why Arizona flipped from red to blue this time.

You've got to be kidding. Leftists have been waging a 4-year war against Trump in Congress, in the media and in the streets and they still can't get a clear result from this election. So they have to resort to what appears to be vote fraud. It simply doesn't make logical sense that almost every one of these mail-in votes is for Biden in areas that have a strong Republican showing in the past. Sounds like a North Korean election. Something stinks here, and if it takes a court to review the result, then so be it. If the shoe was on the other foot, the Democrats would be apoplectic, rioting and smashing...oh, wait.

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> stop the count.....of votes received after election day.

Yes, because that’s never how it’s been done before.

Because by now, everything received before the deadline should have been counted.

If republicans hadn’t forced mailed-in ballots to sit until Election Day in swing states, they would have been. Take it up with your team.

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Why stop the count ?

Counting vote is against democracy ?

Utter insanity.

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This is what you get when you are offered the choice of one right wing psychopathic liar against another right wing sociopathic liar...

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any apologies from any media after Trump actually wins Arizona?

Did Trump win Arizona ?

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What a sore loser Trump is, has been, and always will be

Going forward, whats the plan?

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I pity the service staff who will be on the end of their wrath in the coming days.

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If you can't accept defeat in a democracy, you don't deserve the vote.

If you look closely at the photograph, you can actually see their strings being pulled.

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Are those ladies the ballot watchers trump wanted yesterday?

Put the white window boards up again!

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Nothing new here, just an obese kleptocrat scaring his followers into disrupting an election.

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stop the count.....of votes received after election day.

Because by now, everything received before the deadline should have been counted.

PA Rules say they can and, like it or not, PA gets to decide their rules. Not you. Not Trump.

And rules say they count legal ballots from eligible voters postmarked Nov 3 received up to 3 days after Election Day. Like some other states - Kentucky..

november 3rd isn’t a magical date that the counting needs to be done by.

i suspect you know this.

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If they have interfered, they should be locked up. They're no better than terrorists.

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Wow, all these violent fascists.... there MUST have been substantial damage, businesses destroyed, fires, looting, attacks on law enforcement...

...weren't there?

OK, never mind.

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True, nothing new here.

Can anybody answer...accepting a Trump loss, from this point onward....whats the plan?

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You've got to be kidding. Leftists have been waging a 4-year war against Trump in Congress, in the media and in the streets and they still can't get a clear result from this election. So they have to resort to what appears to be vote fraud. It simply doesn't make logical sense that almost every one of these mail-in votes is for Biden in areas that have a strong Republican showing in the past. Sounds like a North Korean election. Something stinks here

Another conspiracy theory?

How exciting.

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Accepting the loss is fine with me. Let the process work itself out and whoever wins gets the Presidency and, hopefully, the support of the people.

However, looking forward it is obvious the electoral system needs some real and dramatic reform. First, the concept of states each having unique (and often archaic) voting regulations has to go. A national election needs national standards. IMHO this is what is causing so much confusion. Some states count mailed ballots before the election, some during, some after, some have the results ready, some take days... it all does nothing but make the system look sketchy.

Rules for who can and cannot vote by mail/fax/etc need to be tightened up too. Some basic ID requirements for a start. It is obvious the postal service was totally unready for this and have really dropped the ball. As I said before, I wouldn't trust the USPS with a letter containing $100, so why would I trust them with my vote?

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Two things that should be remembered by those who are already gloating:

One, the counting hasn't finished yet. The result won't be clear for a long time. Any number of things can affect the result: Arizona could go to Trump, a recount in Wisconsin goes ahead, the supreme court take action on how the mail ballots are counted.

Second, you are making any sort of reconciliation impossible. I know many people think that it is already at that stage, but are you helping, or making it worse?

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Jimizo

Another conspiracy theory? How exciting.

Observing that the "red mirage" plays out as predicted is hardly a "conspiracy theory".

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These "long counts" are another kind of voter suppression, the product of rules imposed in those states by Republican-controlled legislatures that in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania allowed for no early processing of the mail-in vote – despite the pandemic – and in Michigan allowed for only one day of early processing. Everyone saw this problem coming. They also saw how Trump would attempt to take advantage of the uncertainty by stealing the election, which he is, although the effort, as historically dangerous and destructive as it is, does not look particularly brilliant. 

Elections officials from both parties in the states in question pleaded with the Republican legislatures for more time to process votes early, as they do in other states with Republican-controlled legislatures such as Ohio, Florida and yes, Arizona, where the race happens to have been truly close. BUT Georgia is on my mind, a real chance of getting those 2 Senate seats. Beautiful.

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Count EVERY vote, or the US will no longer be called a democracy.

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Another conspiracy theory?

Do you even know what the term actually means? I guess not.

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The way they are looking through the window is really creepy, like zombies from the living dead.

But it is interesting how easily Trump supporters are buying into the totally unevidenced fraud narrative. That allows Trump to claim that her never lost but also undermines the legitimacy of the incoming President.

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Another conspiracy theory? How exciting.

Observing that the "red mirage" plays out as predicted is hardly a "conspiracy theory".

I don’t speak conspiracy theory.

Is there massive voter fraud across multiple states? Who’s behind this dastardly caper? Is it similar to the 3 million illegals who voted last time. Fill us in.

How exciting.

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I have accepted that there may be a Trump loss, seems likely.

The question, I mean its a really big beast in the room...

whats the plan?

Now, riots tantrums burn loot and shoot, 4 years of all that, theres got to be a method to the madness, got to be a pay day right?

whats the plan?

mask up social distancing shut down the economy? but that was tried, and nobody complied instead there were peaceful riots

There is a plan right?

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Wearing Trump gear, members of the crowd chanted, “Fox News sucks,” in anger over the network declaring Joe Biden the winner in Arizona.

Fox slowly turning truthful is a sign of the times.

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Sportsbet Australia have already paid out on Biden as the winner

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Do you even know what the term actually means? I guess not.m

Sure! Circular reasoning. A lack of evidence is proof that it’s really real. So nobody can ever tell you you are wrong.

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ok, Trump is finished

whats the plan? Roll back all the programs, achievements, accomplishments?

If you said "implement Bernie, AOC, socialism" ok, at least thats tangible

but the senate check wont allow that, the #s arent there

so now what? your not telling me all this, was based on MSM Trump hate?

Give me a plan going forward, not a con game.

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So they have to resort to what appears to be vote fraud.

There is no evidence to back this up.

Yesterday he declared victory and fraud almost simulataneously. What's that all about?

Well... Trump advocating intimidation, suppression and undermining the voting process...

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smithinjapan

If they have interfered, they should be locked up. They're no better than terrorists.

Err,,, you want the CEOs of Twitter, Google and Facebooke locked up´? Pretty drastic.

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/11/04/analysis-twitter-censorship-dramatically-cut-trumps-engagement-on-election-night/

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https://www.breitbart.com

Dear me...

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Fox has Biden at 264 and CNN has him at only 253! Has Fox finally seen the light?!

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It is obvious the postal service was totally unready for this and have really dropped the ball.

The GOP has benefited a lot from USPS over the years:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_DeJoy

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He lost or will probably lose because of his totally wrong corona problem handling. There will not be a healthy growing economy under those circumstances. The priority of business measures before solving the most acute corona problems cost him presidency. Although having recognized the danger and stating, that it is a war on virus, he suddenly turned around, ignored everything including scientific advice, even after being affected by the virus himself. He broke it himself, alone and intentionally. Now crying and shouting doesn’t help so much. The rules and the election conditions are clear and well- known to all sides for a long time beforehand.

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I cant follow the logic...because if the senate will squash everything you do, then why waste everybodys time and not keep Trump in office?

You can’t follow the logic? Hmmm.

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He lost or will probably lose because of his totally wrong corona problem handling. There will not be a healthy growing economy under those circumstances

I thought that over, but that doesnt add up. Go back and look at the initial CDC, Faucci, MSM experts reports and news coverage. Trump was just mirroring what they said.

Do you think if Trump would of shut down the economy, wore a mask and social distance, people would of complied?

The point is, it doesnt matter what Trump does, he was the source of all that is wrong. Ok, likely he is out. Now what? Your going to listen to Biden?

Biden tells us to social distance wear the mask and stay at home? People get stressed out and want to riot, I dont see any difference. Thats what I dont understand, whats the plan? Is there an economic plan? Reverse this, replace that, tax this, etc? If there is a plan and it looks good, Im sold, I just havent seen anything. Your not telling me, theres not plan, right?

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Think about This for a moment........Trump became the President and now Biden? I think the last President of the USA was Barack Obama. Sorry Joe you will never be a Barack.

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Trump gonna go Al Gore ala Year 2000 - gotta check all those hanging chads

No matter what happens, Trump will be first in something: he'd be the first U.S. President never to have won the popular vote - more than once

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PLUS, remember -- and learn if you didn’t know -- the POTUS is not actually elected until mid-December when the Electoral College meets.

That Senate is OPEN to going 50-50 then with the NEW VP? Ohhh yes. Sweet Georgia.

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As a non American I watch the news utterly gobsmacked - a president who stamps his feet like a petulant child because things don't appear to be going his way... threatens legal action for the same reason... protesters (some armed) turning up at counting depots because they're cult leader has thrown his toys out of the pram... seriously this is all great TV. Certainly a good distraction from the misery of COVID.

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Premature declaration is a common condition, millions are suffering from it.

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Sore losers.

I feel the same about the Senate. I’m sure Schumer will get over it being the Senate minority leader still. At least No court packing.

Imagine the outcry if Biden supporters did the same when it wasn't looking good for the Dems.

Mail in voting always helps Democrats so why would they feel bad, now imagine if conservatives were to do mail in voting to undo a president, you think for one minute liberals would tolerate it? I know they wouldn’t, not for second, nor should they.

This is what happens when you vote - numbers go up and down. Impossible to call it early on, like 45 did.

no, this is what happens when you allowed mail in voting and you have no verification and no oversight and you sent thousands of ballots to anyone at any time in anywhere and how are they going to check in how would they know, we just have to take the word of someone that claims they are who they say they are? ROFL

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now imagine if conservatives were to do mail in voting to undo a president, you think for one minute liberals would tolerate it? I know they wouldn’t, not for second, nor should they.

Sure we would. We aren’t the one’s screaming without evidence that mail-in-voting is rife with fraud.

no, this is what happens when you allowed mail in voting and you have no verification and no oversight and you sent thousands of ballots to anyone at any time in anywhere and how are 

You’d have a point if any of this actually occurred. If it did, you’d be able to provide cites to actual evidence. Remember, opinion pieces aren’t evidence, and neither is twitter.

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Sure we would. We aren’t the one’s screaming without evidence

Liberals went after Trump for three years tried to impeach and try to remove him from office buy any and every means possible tried to Russian hoax witchhunt without any evidence and they did that with 19 lawyers all Democrat in 500 witnesses and 500 subpoenas and without a shred of evidence

You’d have a point

I do have a point, that’s the reason why there’s a lawsuit going on that’s also the reason why you’re finding more and more trump foods that weren’t count it, anyway it’ll all go to court.

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Mail in voting always helps Democrats so why would they feel bad, now imagine if conservatives were to do mail in voting to undo a president, you think for one minute liberals would tolerate it? I know they wouldn’t, not for second, nor should they.

So much fantasy I don’t know where to start.

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Seeing and reading the constant anger of his supporters, it is without doubt they have qualities they admire and aspire to be like Trump, and this election is proof there's something really wrong with people in America.

It's the result of forty years of the hyper-politicization of religious fundamentalism, the total deregulation of the media and the abandonment of the FCC fairness doctrine.

Add to that the first generation raised on Fox News (began in 1996) and hate radio are now voting for a Republican Party that is nothing more than a tool of corporate sponsors.

40 years of corrosive negativity and Murdoch-sponsored division has led to this. It's only going to get worse too; can you imagine how bad it will be after another 25 years of twitter and facebook?

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Most people do, I’m just glad Trump is pushing to make sure he gets to the bottom of this, stay on them and be relentless in finding out what happened.

We already know what happened:

*All it was is there was an extra zero that got typed in,” **said Abigail Bowen, the elections clerk in Shiawassee County in Michigan, just northwest of Detroit. “It was caught quickly,” she added. “That’s why we have these checks and balances.”*

https://politicians.in-the.news/usa/no-joe-biden-wasnt-suddenly-awarded-138000-votes-in-michigan-172706-04-11-2020/

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You don't think it's suspicious when a huge 138,339 tranche of votes is delivered at 3:00am

Nothing of the sort happened. This has been debunked as a blip clerical error which was immediately corrected. This the best you’ve got?

All it was is there was an extra zero that got typed in,” said Abigail Bowen, the elections clerk in Shiawassee County in Michigan, just northwest of Detroit. “It was caught quickly,” she added. “That’s why we have these checks and balances.”

There are no zeros in 138,339. And if what they mean is that they added another digit by accident, it would be 13,833 mail ballots for Biden, without a single one for Trump. That is statistically impossible.

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Rogan O'Handley nails it:

"If Wisconsin, Michigan, and PA were bright blue on election night, and Democrats woke up to mysterious chunks of 100,000+ votes that went ALL FOR TRUMP, there would be riots

And justifiably so

Because that’s the stuff of 3rd world dictatorships"

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"the OSCE mission said “baseless allegations of systematic deficiencies, notably by the incumbent president, including on election night, harm public trust in democratic institutions”."

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narrative: angry and armed Trump supporters converge on voting centers!

Compare this with if were the other way around:

Justice seeking voting rights activists, gather peacefully to ensure a fair election and honest vote count to hold to account the evil Trump administration.

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narrative: angry and armed Trump supporters converge on voting centers!

Compare this with if were the other way around:

The 'other way around' would be if calm and unarmed Trum supporters didn't converge on voting centers.

But they did, so not quite sure what your point is.

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Oh, so if your side was getting treated in this way, you would just say "ah well" and go back to work?

Your side, the side of Antifa and BLM?

Trump has nearly 69 million votes, you still treat him and his supporters as some type of fringe element of society. This election, win or lose, should have taught you otherwise.

-8 ( +0 / -8 )

Reminder:

North Carolina: 100% counted- not called

Georgia: 100% counted- not called

Alaska: huge lead, Repub since the 1960s- not called

Nevada: simply stopped counting or reporting

Arizona: called for Dems already yet Biden hasnt won

PA; Still accepting new votes today, without postmarks of the date they were sent

-10 ( +0 / -10 )

Reminder:

North Carolina: 100% counted- not called

Georgia: 100% counted- not called

Alaska: huge lead, Repub since the 1960s- not called

Nevada: simply stopped counting or reporting

Arizona: called for Dems already yet Biden hasnt won

Oh no! The media has called elections before the counting was finished! The horror! Why do you suddenly put stock in what the MSM says?

PA; Still accepting new votes today, without postmarks of the date they were sent

Cite? Didn’t think so.

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https://www.npr.org/2020/10/19/922411176/supreme-court-rules-pennsylvania-can-count-ballots-received-after-election-day

Cite? Didn’t think so.

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and because I doubt you will read

It also said that ballots without a postmark would "be presumed to have been mailed by Election Day" unless there was strong evidence to the contrary.

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Your claim:

*PA; Still accepting new votes today, *without postmarks of the date they were sent

*The U.S. Supreme Court said Monday that election officials in Pennsylvania can count absentee ballots received as late as the Friday after Election Day *so long as they are postmarked by Nov. 3.

. . .

*It also said that ballots without a postmark would "be presumed to have been mailed by Election Day" *unless there was strong evidence to the contrary.

https://www.npr.org/2020/10/19/922411176/supreme-court-rules-pennsylvania-can-count-ballots-received-after-election-day

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PSmith

You’d have a good point of “chunks of 100,000” votes for anyone turned up overnight, but it hasn’t actually happened.

Actually, this is exactly what happened. Apparently you are watching completely different news from me.

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Actually, this is exactly what happened. Apparently you are watching completely different news from me.

I don’t watch the news, I read it. Got a cite?

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Conservatives in Michigan (STOP counting the votes) actually black votes. Conservatives in Arizona, COUNT THE VOTED. Hahaha. Such consistency. Really at the end of the day, they HATE democracy, at least for poor people or blacks.

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BlacklabelToday  07:02 pm JST

Reminder:

North Carolina: 100% counted- not called

Etc. Such indignation might carry a bit more weight if your main homie The Donald hadn't called the election for himself almost a day ago.

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From Blacklabel's link -

*on Monday, a state appeals court in North Carolina said the state can count ballots that arrive as late as Nov. 12, as long as they are postmarked by Election Day.*

Is the US postal service really that abysmal??

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Judging by this photo, there’s no rest for the nut jobs. They should stop trying to intimidate the vote counters. It’s a democracy, not a dictatorship.

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P. SmithToday  07:13 pm JST

Your claim:

PA; Still accepting new votes today, ****without postmarks of the date they were sent

*The U.S. Supreme Court said Monday that election officials in Pennsylvania can count absentee ballots received as late as the Friday after Election Day *so long as they are postmarked by Nov. 3.

Donald Trump must be feeling very shortchanged.

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Is the US postal service really that abysmal??

Trump’s been attacking them for ages now so a little lack of efficiency can be forgiven.

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Is the US postal service really that abysmal??

Yup!

Donald Trump must be feeling very shortchanged

No, thankfully he’s got all of his lawyers on standby and the SC will hearings so we will get this sorted out.

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Yup!

Nope, which is why medication is available through the post. Medication upon which people’s lives depend.

No, thankfully he’s got all of his lawyers on standby and the SC will hearings so we will get this sorted out.

Irrelevant to Trump continuing the assault on the postal service republicans kicked off in 2006.

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Nope,

I disagree.

Irrelevant to Trump continuing the assault on the postal service republicans kicked off in 2006

Rightfully so

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you do realize that a court ordered a whole new election in north carolina over just a few tampered with mail in ballots, right? Well the Dem was the victim, so it makes sense.

The Dem said even for ONE tampered with vote, the people deserve justice of a new election. Hmmmm.......

“From the moment the first vote was stolen in North Carolina, from the moment the first voice was silenced by election fraud, the people have deserved justice,” McCready, the Harvard-educated founder of a solar energy company, said in a statement.

https://apnews.com/article/e79854eb724b483a9a2ebbc2672d06d8

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Regarding PA, there will be a lawsuit, and it will involve a lot of votes being thrown out. The plaintiff (Trump and/or the Republicans) will win, because Pennsylvania’s highest court has almost certainly violated the Constitution of the United States. That’s why, in the weeks ahead, the Supreme Court of the United States (SCOTUS) is going to rule in favor of Trump....

In 2019, the PA legislature passed a law called Act 77 that permitted all voters to cast their ballots by mail but (in Justice Alito’s words) “unambiguously required that all mailed ballots be received by 8 p.m. on election day.” The exact text is 2019 Pa. Leg. Serv. Act 2019-77, which stated: “No absentee ballot under this subsection shall be counted which is received in the office of the county board of elections later than eight o'clock P.M. on the day of the primary or election.” I agree with Justice Alito: That is unambiguous.

Act 77 also provided that if this portion of the law was invalidated, that much of the rest of Act 77, including its liberalization of mail-in voting, would also be void. The exact text is: “Sections 1, 2, 3, 3.2, 4, 5, 5.1, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 12 of this act are nonseverable. If any provision of this act or its application to any person or circumstance is held invalid, the remaining provisions or applications of this act are void.”

To again put this into common English, the Pennsylvania legislature passed a law that said mail-in ballots had to arrive by 8PM on election day to be counted, and then said that if the Court over-ruled that law, the entire law that permitted mail-in ballots was invalid.

In the face of this clear text, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court, by a vote of four to three, made the following decrees, summarized here by SCOTUS:

Mailed ballots don’t need to be received by a election day. Instead, ballots can be accepted if they are postmarked on or before election day and are received within three days thereafter. Note that this is directly contravenes the text above.

A mailed ballot with no postmark, or an illegible postmark, must be regarded as timely if it is received by that same date.

In doing so, PAs’ high court expressly acknowledged that “the statutory provision mandating receipt by election day was unambiguous” and conceded the law was “constitutional,” but still re-wrote the law because it thought it needed to do so in the face of a “natural disaster.” It justified its right to do so under the Free and Equal Elections Cause of the PA State Constitution.

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The picture of the Trump supporters at the top of this article......am I the only one who thinks they look like a scene from a zombie movie? Scary!

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and who would decide that fairly in PA when there is no postmark?

What would be strong evidence that it was NOT mailed by election day? can you prove it wasnt if there is no date?

Just like NC taking 9 more days for ballots to arrive, it allows people to figure out how many votes they need to win and introduce them into the system. NC just had election fraud recently that invalidated a whole election so dont tell me it doesnt happen.

Bet one of the court cases is how many votes were processed after election day in PA. with a subset of those with no postmark.

*It also said that ballots without a postmark would "be presumed to have been mailed by Election Day" *unless there was strong evidence to the contrary.

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