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Trump backpedals over failure to denounce white supremacist groups; Biden calls him 'embarrassment'

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I thought the "Proud boys" was a gay rights group. My bad. Apologies to the gay rights movement.

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He fiercely attacked Trump's failure to clearly denounce white supremacist groups or the far-right Proud Boys, instead giving a shout-out to the male-only militia group by saying they should "stand back and stand by," and that the real problem is "far-left" extremists.

Trump went into the debate with that prepared line.

He did not think up “stand back and stand by” on his own while standing.

He is not capable of that.

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Exactly. It made America look pathetic.

Sadly Trump has been making America look pathetic for almost four years now. Every time he opens his mouth he just makes it worse.

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Trump, in an apparent attempt to tamp down outrage over his comments, called on the group to "stand down."

"I don't know who Proud Boys are but whoever they are they have to stand down," Trump told reporters. "Stand down, let law enforcement do their work."

Hollow words as we all know that he is very familiar with them and Trump himself is a proud Proud Boy and a white supremacist.

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Dump Trump he is a chump.

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He hardly has any history that is inclusive, he is white (orange) he is right, no room for those that are naturally tanned. His hatred of his predecessor is based solely on his Non white (orange) DNA. John McCain had a tortuous incident serving his country unlike Trump who hates anyone who puts themselves in such a position. He can back peddling as much as he wants, shouldn't need too if he was a real leader.

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Time and time again he has been given a chance to denounce racists and bigots and he does not.

Why is this even a surprise anymore?

A racist will not condemn other racists, period.

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"I don't know who Proud Boys are but whoever they are they have to stand down,"

Not a single word Trump says can be believed. Except perhaps by a few of his remaining faithful.

Wait for more dog whistles to follow letting his white nationalist base know he's still their main male.

And for Trump's dog whistles to be followed by the R's rapid response team and others in his keyboard armies spinning what he said.

Among politicians at the national level, Trump is the absolutely worst communicator seen in modern times. He's a carney barker hawking snake oil to the intellectually vulnerable.

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The Democratic speaker of the House of Representatives, Nancy Pelosi, said Trump's debate behavior demonstrated why she had recommended that Biden not debate him at all.

"You saw a political nervous breakdown, a meltdown," Pelosi said on MSNBC.

Exactly. It made America look pathetic.

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Too little, too late. Trump has guaranteed violence on election day, and after.

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oharaToday 01:10 pm JST

@Nomination,

Yep. Everyone knows Trump isnt a racist. Far from it. Doesnt matter though. The neo Marxist propagandists just keep spewing it out.

I actually agree with that.

I believe the dude has no convictions at all, he is totally malleable and just says whatever he thinks is in his best interest for the next 45 seconds.

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I am curious about what everyone claims Proud Boys stands for. I could not find the Manifesto referenced above (is there a link?) nor could I find some of the other claims. What I found is below:

*Proud Boys**‘ values center on the following tenets:*

Minimal Government

Maximum Freedom

Anti-Political Correctness

Anti-Drug War

Closed Borders

Anti-Racial Guilt

Anti-Racism

Pro-Free Speech (1st Amendment)

Pro-Gun Rights (2nd Amendment)

Glorifying the Entrepreneur

Venerating the Housewife

Reinstating a Spirit of Western Chauvinism

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According to the Proud Boys Manifesto, The 10 ways are:

– “Abolish Prisons” because there are too many “human beings” in “cages.”

– “Give Everyone A Gun” because “mostly bad guys have guns, but good guys need them too. This will help prevent crime.”

– “Legalize Drugs” because “the drug war is a failure” and is only creating more prisoners.

– “End Welfare” because it has “shattered families” by incentivizing women to leave their husbands.

– “Close the Borders” because “we need to build a wall and encourage assimilation” and patriotism.

– “Outlaw Censorship” because “The West has thrived with the checks and balances open discussion provides. Without it, fascism thrives.”

– “Venerate the Housewife” because “Proud Boys are encouraged to put a ring on it and knock her up.”

– “Glorify the Entrepreneur” because they made many sacrifices and they are the ones “who got us here.”

– “Recognize the West is the Best” because “we fought hard to be #1 and we won. All other cultures are not merely different than us. They are worse.”

– “Shut down the Government” because they “rob us of our hard-earned wages” and no one else needs to be in control of another man’s freedom and destiny.

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Proud Boys leader is black.

Many of their members are black.

This is very interesting. I watched FOX news and they never said this. If I were Trump I would Tweet this to show that Proud Boys is a non racist organization. What is their black leader's name? I think Trump should invite him to the WH to show how he sides with minorities. Especially that now I know that the majority of Proud Boys are black people. That means they are not racist at all.

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Wilfred Reilly, associate professor of political science at Kentucky State University, said Wednesday that “the Proud Boys aren’t white supremacists,” 

Great. And the head of the FBI said that Antifa aren’t a terrorist organization.

My grandfather was anti-fascist and fought for it in Normandy. He was in an antifa organisation then, they were called the Allies.

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A failed attempt from a failed leader and businessman.

By the way, I know this has sent the trainwreck in the Oval Office off of a cliff.

Barack and Michelle Obama are the 'world's most admired man and woman,' new global poll shows

https://www.yahoo.com/news/barack-michelle-obama-worlds-most-151530037.html

Where are the trump supporters claiming the president is playing 4D Chess?

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@Nomination

*Trump, Aug. 14, 2017**: "Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans."*

*Trump, Aug. 15, 2017**: "I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally."*

LOL! It is nice how you tried to mislead us again by posting quotes that trump made after backtracking again for supporting Nazis in Charlotte, initially!

Real convenient!

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Peter14Today  12:23 pm JST

Dump Trump he is a chump.

Amongst other things! And 'embarrassment' is putting it mildly. He's so vile, uncouth, unsocioable - the kind you DON'T invite to a party or even want to talk to. All he does is embarrass everyone around him, even himself. A very disgraceful individual.

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Proud Boys leader is black.

Many of their members are black.

Downvote all you want, its the truth.

So? Its a neo-fascist organization that advocates and carries out violence, bans women, espouses mysoginy, anti-semetism, homophobia and Islamophobia. The fact that it also allows black men to do those things doesn't make it at all defensible.

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*Trump, Aug. 15, 2017**: "I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally."*

Next!

Ok, the next:

Trump, Sep 29, 2020 (regarding/to the Proud Boys): "stand back and stand by"

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Trump went into the debate with that prepared line.

From Little Stephen Miller?

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@ohara

Wilfred Reilly, associate professor of political science at Kentucky State University, said Wednesday that “the Proud Boys aren’t white supremacists,” describing the right-wing group’s beliefs as “Western chauvinist” and noting that their international chairman, Enrique Tarrio, is Black.

Despite all of your attempts to distract about Black people in the Proud Boys, some Black people supported slavery and the KKK. That doe not mean that it was right.

Also, trump never denounced "White Supremacy!" Facts!!!!

Stay on-topic people!

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Yeah, they sure sound like a real violent bunch of racist losers....

Agreed. Because they are.

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What does a meth head, a dysfunctional Christian and a hotted-up monster racer have in common?

a. They are all Proud!

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Randy:. What nobody talks about is Wallace posed the same question to biden too and all he said was yes after denying that antifa exists

No, no, no. Remember that Biden condemned Antifa in a Fox News interview on September 8, 2020.

I can post it for you if you'd like.

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Trump is using the old well known tactic of the crystal ball readers: he tells everything and its contrary so that he and his devots can claim he is always right.

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I wonder what the trump cultist would say if Pres. Obama told the Bloods and the Crips:

"Stand by, Stand Ready!" Hypocrisy at its finest!

Presidents are temporary!

WU-TANG is FOREVER!

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READ THE TRANSCRIPT!

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@superlib

No, no, no. Remember that Biden condemned Antifa in a Fox News interview on September 8, 2020.

I can post it for you if you'd like.

Doesn't matter. Biden intentionally flip flops and panders to hopefully get votes.

In the debate he said that Antifa was an idea. Then he panderingly 'condemned' the group antifa. Classic biden. Unbelievable.

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Its Antifa and BLM burning

I don't think they have killed anyone like Trump people such as Dylann Roof or Patrick Crusius. They are examples of Trump's Pround Boys. Antifa? What is their body count compared to the Trump Proud Boys? Let's put some numbers out there?

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Can we look at this debate objectively? I think we can put to bed Biden has cognitive speech problems to bed.

I think we can also put to bed that Trump is white supremist sympathizer. This debate was the worst in American history. Would anyone disagree with that assessment? Look as a Republican I will have to say that the experiment to put a President in the oval office that was sent in there to drain the swamp. It has failed and even I can see that now. Corona derailed ids biggest asset the economy. We are two three years out from fully bouncing back from Corona. And honesty even if Biden wins. I am really not sure if we are better off.

Trump had to do things differently. I would say the concept of that was just. Both parties are just God dang awful right now. But Biden and Trump sunk to levels of low yesterday. I would say both are an embarrassment. I am just writing this after just watching the full debate if you want to call it a debate. I call it a debacle.

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 just an idea burning your city and kicking you in the head

But they are not shooting up black church members or Hispanics in walmart like the Trump Proud Boys. Fine, Antifa are burning people's houses down. In fact they burned my aunt's house down in Portland, but they don't go out on mass shootings like Trump Proud boys. When my aunt came out to confront the Antifa for destroying her house they were apologetic about it. They came to a negotiation that they pay for the fire insurance deductible, so my aunt is getting a new house. But again no one died but people would have died if it were Trump Proud boys.

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What nobody talks about is Wallace posed the same question to biden too and all he said was yes after denying that antifa exists. Unbelievable.

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President Trump unfortunately missed his opportunity to condemn the white supremacists being the democrat's creation, the KKK.

Stuck in the past and denying current reality. Hopeless!

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But they are not shooting up black church members or Hispanics in walmart like the Trump Proud Boys. Fine, Antifa are burning people's houses down. In fact they burned my aunt's house down in Portland, but they don't go out on mass shootings like Trump Proud boys

LOL! Where to even start in response to this??

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Ok, the next:

*Trump, Sep 29, 2020*** **(regarding/to the Proud Boys): "stand back and stand by"

Now on to the previous:

Proud Boys leader is black.

Many of their members are black.

What is next? That the black members are undercover trying to infiltrated the "white supremacists" like Blackkklansman?

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When my aunt came out to confront the Antifa for destroying her house they were apologetic about it. 

Well, Im glad Aunty got out in time. And those nice polite Anifa boys did say sorry. What a fine bunch of lads!

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Gavin McInnes explains how he founded the men's club, Proud Boys, and how the media misrepresents them as a group:

https://youtu.be/lPpb-nfQW_8

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The second quote came directly from his statement at Charlotte, given without prompting. The media always leaves it out in order to support the "fine people" hoax.

Exactly right. But it doesnt fit with the “racism” narrative.

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Wilfred Reilly, associate professor of political science at Kentucky State University, said Wednesday that “the Proud Boys aren’t white supremacists,” describing the right-wing group’s beliefs as “Western chauvinist” and noting that their international chairman, Enrique Tarrio, is Black.

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After Biden stated forcefully at the debate, “I AM THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY Trump asked him if he’d called any of the Dem leaders whose cities were being burned, looted and terrorized to talk about or advise on the situation. The answer was No.

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President Trump unfortunately missed his opportunity to condemn the white supremacists being the democrat's creation, the KKK.

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@Nomination,

Yep. Everyone knows Trump isnt a racist. Far from it. Doesnt matter though. The neo Marxist propagandists just keep spewing it out.

Its Antifa and BLM burning and looting cities, and the left diverts attention to non-existent “white supremacists”.

Orwellian.

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nishikat

But they are not shooting up black church members or Hispanics in walmart like the Trump Proud Boys. Fine, Antifa are burning people's houses down. In fact they burned my aunt's house down in Portland, but they don't go out on mass shootings like Trump Proud boys

Do you have any reference for the "Proud boys" going on "mass shootings" or "shooting up black church members or Hispanics in walmart"? I have never seen that.

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Can we look at this debate objectively? I think we can put to bed Biden has cognitive speech problems to bed.

I think we can also put to bed that Trump is white supremist sympathizer. This debate was the worst in American history. Would anyone disagree with that assessment? Look as a Republican I will have to say that the experiment to put a President in the oval office that was sent in there to drain the swamp. It has failed and even I can see that now. Corona derailed ids biggest asset the economy. We are two three years out from fully bouncing back from Corona. And honesty even if Biden wins. I am really not sure if we are better off.

Trump had to do things differently. I would say the concept of that was just. Both parties are just God dang awful right now. But Biden and Trump sunk to levels of low yesterday. I would say both are an embarrassment. I am just writing this after just watching the full debate if you want to call it a debate. I call it a debacle.

I pretty much agree with you on almost everything expect for the Trump part with the exception that I do think he's the better man for the country, I too, wish he would tone down the rhetoric a bit, but so far on the GOP side there is NO ONE that will tackle the corruption that is Washington, no one that will push back on the Dems or even Republicans and I do like that he's a disrupter, but he should take a breather every now and then and leave the verbal attacks in the basement with Joe. No Republican has brought this much excitement and enthusiasm to the Conservative party than Trump and if Republicans want to ever win elections again, they need and want a fighter and someone that can match them and Trump has done that or we can go back to the McCain's and Kasich Republicans that the Trump haters like, but for the overwhelming conservative voters out there, these people don't inspire anyone, quite the opposite actually.

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No, no, no. Remember that Biden condemned Antifa in a Fox News interview on September 8, 2020.

I can post it for you if you'd like.

But those are just words for the dumb, what actions has he taken? What actions are the Democrat party taking to stop the violence? Anyone of these Marxists screaming in support of the police or the rule of law. Biden is just words and they don't stop the thugs from destroying the country. Action will only solve that and so far, still can't see a donkey far and wide.

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What nobody talks about is Wallace posed the same question to biden too and all he said was yes after denying that antifa exists. Unbelievable.

Exactly. No one is talking about that astounding statement.

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In the debate Biden said that Antifa was an idea. 

Well, thats a load iff our minds; its just an idea burning your city and kicking you in the head.

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Time and time again he has been given a chance to denounce racists and bigots and he does not.

*Trump, Aug. 14, 2017**: "Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans."*

*Trump, Aug. 15, 2017**: "I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally."*

Next!

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Trump is a nincompoop. But the Proud Boys aren't "white supremacists". They're patriots who don't want their cities destroyed and their country run though by radical leftists.

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Amongst other things! And 'embarrassment' is putting it mildly. He's so vile, uncouth, unsocioable - the kind you DON'T invite to a party or even want to talk to.

So besides decimating the black community and black people as a whole with outlandish and racists statements, how is Biden better?

All he does is embarrass everyone around him, even himself. A very disgraceful individual.

Dunno, Obama was the one that said, "leave it to Biden to F-things up." Guess that tells us how much confidence the guy has for old Joe.

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Proud Boys leader is black.

Many of their members are black.

Downvote all you want, its the truth.

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Numan

LOL! It is nice how you tried to mislead us again by posting quotes that trump made after backtracking again for supporting Nazis in Charlotte, initially!

Not true. The second quote came directly from his statement at Charlotte, given without prompting. The media always leaves it out in order to support the "fine people" hoax.

Instead of just reading the biased media, you should look at the original transcript.

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Trump should've used the Biden defense:

"The Proud Boys are an ideology, not a group."

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