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Man, this election is going to be insane!! I feel sorry for the US of A, your in a heap of trouble!

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Trump is correct, she is corrupt and a liar. But what's pathetic is that she would make a better POTUS than Trump.

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Mirror, mirror on the wall...

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Electing Donald Trump would be a disaster for this country. And a lot of other countries.

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The manically honking clown car is so far behind now it's barely audible.

He's getting boring now. Yes, Donald, honk, quack, a spray of water in the face from a plastic flower.

Yawn.

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State Department records show Clinton was in her State Department office when news of the opening assaults came through. She has said she later worked through the night on the U.S. response.

I have to agree that Trump is way off here. Clinton was in full panic mode that night and day because she knew--working closely with Petraeus--that the consulate in Benghazi was just a front for a CIA operation to appropriate weapons in Libya and funnel them illegally to rebels/Al-Qaeda thugs in Syria.

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Hillary is openly a "known liar" and "felon" with an active FBI criminal case against her. I look forward to the Trump vs teleprompter Hillary $$$ debates. = Does Hillary have enough cash to sway the disenfranchised voters or can Trump unify these parties and kick the corrupt politicians under the bus? Seems the Republican Party refuses to give up the corruption also. Should be exciting.

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"In a speech in New York that Clinton’s campaign called “nutty” and “hypocritical,” Trump argued that the former secretary of state is part of a political establishment that has cheated American workers through bad trade deals and endangered U.S. national security."

Trump continues to ride the ignorant and helpless off the cliff of reason into the river delusion. (Like Sundance and Butch Cassidy from the movies.)

"Trump’s campaign has been distracted in recent weeks by racially-charged comments he made about a Mexican-American judge and the Republican’s firing of campaign manager Corey Lewandowski this week."

Of course Trump keeps the racism alive as he has since first starting his Campaign and far earlier beginning in 2011.

What also stays alive is the ongoing investigation and charges from a forty million dollar fraud Trump is named in, in both New York and California.

For some, this is the perfect resume for the Oval Office. (David Duke thinks so.)

They must all want the Trump Magic to never end. Too bad the Campaign's broken.

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So he finally bought a speech writer?

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No responsible person could ever vote for Donald J. Trump.

The bad news: the race will tighten. The good news: Trump will get clobbered.

I was wrong. It ain't gonna take two weeks for Trump's negative igmaged to get baked in) I'm calling it.

Trump is finished. Nothing the right wing chorus 'round here has to bleat is of any consequence. They can't change their opinion, and they won't change the subject.

I'm putting my reputation on the line. Here is the proposition

I bet Clinton will clobber Trump. Greater than Obama beat the crap out of McCain. In both popular vote, and electoral vote.

If i am wrong, I will leave this sight for six months after the election. If I am right, any takers will leave this sight for six months. No sock puppets. No new handles.

Just. Bugger. Off.

'Cause I'm that confident.

Any takers?

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@GW - Thanks for the sympathies. We have a pathetic set of candidates. Trump is also a liar so they match up well. It is nice to be living in Japan as unfortunately in my country the citizenry is so divided that we have reached this level of people vying for the Presidency. They both stink!

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Trump is correct, she is corrupt and a liar. But what's pathetic is that she would make a better POTUS than Trump.

And since that is your belief, the only responsible thing for you to do is vote for HRC.

Are you gonna do that?

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Vote for Hillary so she could disable the entire government security protocol without reporting it.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/7006105d422740f0b4b8675c90f9a154/emails-key-security-features-disabled-clintons-server

WASHINGTON (AP) — State Department staffers wrestled for weeks in December 2010 over a serious technical problem that affected emails from then-Secretary Hillary Clinton's home email server, causing them to temporarily disable security features on the government's own systems, according to emails released Wednesday.

The emails were released under court order Wednesday to the conservative legal advocacy group Judicial Watch, which has sued the State Department over access to public records related to the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee's service as the nation's top diplomat between 2009 and 2013.

The emails, reviewed by The Associated Press, show that State Department technical staff disabled software on their systems intended to block phishing emails that could deliver dangerous viruses. They were trying urgently to resolve delivery problems with emails sent from Clinton's private server. Abedin and Clinton, who both used Clinton's private server, had complained that emails each sent to State Department employees were not being reliably received.

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I can't believe that these two candidates, out of 310 million Americans, could be the best that America has to offer. Trump is an unhindered cannon, and Clinton is, well... Corrupt and a liar. Damn... This sucks.

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Good news for John McCain™:

Brent Scowcroft just endorsed HRC.

This is so over.

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An interesting article on the increasing partisanship and polarization of the U.S.

http://www.npr.org/2016/06/22/482970864/report-partisan-bad-blood-highest-in-decades

It is interesting that we even see this partisanship shown in full force on a web site entitled "Japan Today"...heck even 3 of the top 5 articles are relative the U.S. election.

I still hold true to my belief that it is in the interest of those in power to divide the populace. The job of a U.S. politician has become more about serving themselves, getting re-elected, and serving their party and donors than "doing the work of the populace".

As for me - For the first time in a long time I think I will sit this one out..

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Started to comment but its all so silly I give up and don't care, they are equally bad puppets.

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Because she is!! Wake up America.You don't have to like Trump to dislike "crooked Hillary"

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Since Hillary's accusations are taken as rack by the bison and whatever Trump says is BS no matter how he says it. Any reasonable person knows that's not true. How far off the truth is it?

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If Trump is such a truth teller, why does he keep repeating the lie (again this week) that the US is the nation with the highest taxes? An actual problem is high prices caused by lack of competitiveness, so ge could make an interesting point. Instead, Don panders with tax falsehoods.

I doubt the old dog is going to learn any new tricks to broaden his appeal from here on out.

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This is what I wrote last night:

Their strategy is to triple down on Hillary's "criminal record" and to shout it so loudly and so often that nothing else is heard. Cue the adjectives.

Looks like today's adjectives are "corrupt" and "liar." Others have thrown in "known liar" and "felon." Still no mention of Trump's racism, tho. I guess we'll wait and see what adjectives they scream tomorrow.

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Well if the shoe fits Super....Hillary lied leading up to the acquisition of the server. Hillary deleted over 30k emails. Hillary is under investigation.

Trump, prove he's a racist. His words meant nothing. What were his racist actions. After all a racist is a racist and can't hide that. Where's all the victims of Trumps racism?

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@superlib, get used to the no mentions and no shows. All you have to do is point out any of Trump's glaring lies--the USA has the world's highest taxes!--and the fools unaccustomed to being faced with objective truth take off running for the hills.

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https://youtu.be/NjzUMUaITWQ

HIllary seems pretty dodgy these days. Hasn't had a press conference since 2015 etc. Does she really think she can debate Trump? Even with the media 99% on her side -the bets are she will lose the debate. -If she even make it to the debate.

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Trump, prove he's a racist. His words meant nothing.

I love this logic. So faulty, it's laughable.

If someone says "I hate [insert racial group here], they all should be strung up by their toes and die", these people would say 'yeah, but he didn't actually string up anyone by their toes, so you can't prove he is racist."

Yeah, right.

Most of us aren't stupid enough to believe that logic.

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Great speech. Clinton is done, She`s just too much of a racist and a bigot to be in the White House. Go Trump!

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@MarkG, 'his words meant nothing.'

Kinda catchy for an epitaph, but not applicable for a campaign slogan. Even in the 21st century, we still got them old fashioned, whaddya callum, words. No meaning? Aren't words still infused with power to persuade people to act for good or evil? Try answering that without words.

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@Torafun,

Yes. If you add up the fees and taxes they are the highest.

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MarkG: Trump, prove he's a racist. His words meant nothing. What were his racist actions. After all a racist is a racist and can't hide that. Where's all the victims of Trumps racism?

Ah, the mental gymnastics of the Trump supporter. Almost as awkward to watch as the mating dance between Trump and GOP congressmen.

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Why is this treated like a surprise or something new? The Clintons and Bushes both act like totalitarian royalty looking down on serfs.

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@TorafusuTorasan - First I acknowledge that Trump has lied, as has Ms. Clinton. I dislike both candidates. I am not a Trump supporter. I am however curious about your comment about taxes.

Regarding Trump's tax comments - do you have a link or something where I can actually see the comments? I am not saying this to be argumentative. I am curious as to what he said.

If he is talking about corporate tax rates (which I think he was) I would be interested to hear what he said in its entirety. The fact is that among OECD industrialized nations the U.S. does have the highest corporate tax rate. Among all nations the U.S. has the 3rd highest corporate tax rate. Europe, on the other hand has lower corporate taxes (in general). Tax rates are one of 3 main factors corporations take into account when locating production facilities (of course the main one is labor cost).

There are several studies on this subject. My point of view is I believe Trump takes advantage of lower taxes (and lower labor costs, etc.) where he can but I do not think he is "lying" about tax rates. He has lied about plenty of other things however.

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Trump forgot to mention she's also a national security risk ( see private email server fiasco ).

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Sorry forgot to attach links regarding the tax information

http://taxfoundation.org/article/corporate-income-tax-rates-around-world-2015

http://fortune.com/2014/11/21/the-five-countries-with-the-highest-corporate-tax-rates/

And from NBC

http://www.nbc-2.com/story/31985003/uhy-reports-us-businesses-face-corporate-tax-rates-well-above-world-average-study-of-major-global-economies

And here is the real problem (This was actually brought to light by Bernie Sanders)

http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/13/pf/taxes/gao-corporate-taxes/

The end result is that small / medium sized business in the U.S. become strapped with higher than necessary corporate tax rates.

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I'm going by the World Bank/ Pricewaterhousecoopers report that ranked the US 64th out of 189 countries in total taxes. Granted they look at more than just the taxes on small businesses. Has Trump always been such a tireless supporter of small businesspeople? No self interest in his tax objections that I can see (where's the sarcasm button?)

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Trump golden words are accurate and correct 100% but also he should be relax as Hillary have no chance to win and he will be surly next US president......

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@TorafusuTorasan - If he is not referring to corporate taxes only, I agree with you. But I thought he was referring to corporate taxes only.

I have never claimed (and never will claim) Trump supports small business. I would like to see what he said.

Regarding corporate taxes I followed up with links and then a link to the real problem - 20% of profitable corporations pay no taxes. This is in addition to the issue with the capital gains tax rates and offshore investments, which the 1% of both political affiliation enjoy.

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refugees must wait months or years in foreign camps while U.S. security agencies review their backgrounds, a system Clinton supports.

I do NOT support this system.

He said Clinton would admit hundreds of thousands of refugees to the United States without any prior screening.

Of course she would. . . obama has endorsed her. Both idiots (Obama and Kerry) want to let in islamic refugees, who have no business coming to America, by the tns of thousands.

The young, healthy, bearded, islamic men wearing their dusty sandals. ISIS flag screensavers on their smartphones and shouting, "god id great."

Trump is right. These kinds of savages DO NOT belong in the US. Clinton is insane for even considering.

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The tax situation is complicated and can't be shown through a handful of charts.

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@SuperLib - Yes the tax situation is complicated (that is an understatement) and should be simplified.

The tax code is over 8,200 pages. I have a U.S. corporation that went through an IRS tax audit which went OK. I had to pay for a mistake I made on one form (of many) and I had no issue with that as it was clear the error was mine.

What I found interesting is that the IRS agent that had my case and interviewed me (a very good guy by the way) indicated that the U.S. tax laws are way too complicated. The IRS agents are frustrated as they do not/cannot make legislation and are tasked with trying to enforce something written by the legislative branch of our government and by special agents. The fact he admitted this to me was quite interesting (however he was near retirement). Basically he indicated that most IRS agents do not understand the tax laws and it is quite frustrating.

I think we need a major re-write of the U.S. tax laws and they should be simplified. I also think the U.S. corporate tax rate should be lowered WITH the caveat that loopholes are reduced to ensure taxes are paid in proportion to income.

In this case (if Trump was referring to corporate taxes) I simultaneously agree with BOTH Trump AND Sanders. I am sure that will warrant many down votes.

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...because in TrumpWorld, any statement made aloud by the Donald is true. He's spent his life surrounded by people who encouraged mistakes and bad behaviour - hardly the hallmarks of an adult, much less a learder. I can't wait to see him crash and burn after being forced to finance his own campaign, and then suing Clinton and the GOP after he loses.

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He said Clinton “has perfected the politics of personal profit and theft”

Alliteration! Nice - and a giveaway on his TelePrompter use; normally, he struggles to utter complete sentences, not to mention obtain a modicum of coherence. Here is how he would have phrased the above without the TelePrompter:

Hillary, I mean, with that face? Seriously, look at that face! She looks like a lying dog. A dog. She is only out for herself, okay? Herself. She steals like a dog, politics and profit. Sad.

The best quote about Trump I've read today comes from Mark Cuban, who was once floated as a possible Trump VP choice:

It's rare when you see someone get stupider before your eyes, but he's really working at it....But at some point, you’ve got to start learning and understanding the issues. You know, Donald has been at this a year but you don’t look at him and say, ‘Wow, he’s gotten so much smarter on this topic or that topic.' In fact, you look at him and say, ‘What the hell are you talking about?' That’s not good for America.

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Tokyo-Engr: The tax code is over 8,200 pages. I have a U.S. corporation that went through an IRS tax audit

Then you wouldn't be the kind of person to post a link that just shows static tax rates of countries around the world as if it means something.

By the way, how do you feel about Israel?

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Trump is no more racist than Clinton, or than maybe half of the politicians in DC. The only difference is he doesn't wait until he's behind closed doors to spout off. This stuff is a non-issue, but I suppose it's a simple way for simple minds to demonize him.

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Trump is no more racist than Clinton, or than maybe half of the politicians in DC. The only difference is he doesn't wait until he's behind closed doors to spout off.

Policies matter. Trump's political philosophy is likely non-existent, so as would be expected, his policies wave with the breezes, and as such, what he might actually do as president is totally unclear - not only for voters but also, likely, to the candidate as well. The best we could expect is that the GOP-led House priorities would substitute for any presidential platform. These policies hurt out of not only ideological necessity but also simple spite the poor more than any, and as the poor tend to be non-white, one could call them racist. Then there are the blatantly racist policies. You will find no Democrats supporting them; most Republicans do.

To paraphrase Forrest Gump, "Racist is as racist does."

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@Laguna,

What exactly are Clinton`s policies?

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Basically the same as Obama's. You can look them up; they actually exist, unlike, say, the GOP plan to replace Obamacare - or anything Trump might do. He still looks like a 70-year old deer-in-the headlights, amazed that he got this far, totally unprepared for what comes next, and completely out of his depth.

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@superlib - actually yes I would. I have various reasons to believe our corporate laws need to be revised. Must likely the US Treasury can realize more revenue while at the same time having a more fair system. Again too many large corporations get away with paying no corporate taxes while small to midsize companies are burdened with a higher than necessary tax rate. Even many IRS employees agree the system is messed up.

And yes, the sky is blue.

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Hillary is extremely vulnerable but the media, in cooperation with banks and big buisiness, just dont want to compromise their investment.

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what he might actually do as president is totally unclear

To some degree that is true. Which, sad to say, makes him more attractive than his opponent. I pretty well can guess what she will do. And, among other things, I think her policies will make life much worse for the poor in the longer run. And her eagerness for war frightens me, as well as the likelihood of corruption becoming more entrenched than ever - also hurting the poor.

Trump doesn't seem to have put much thought into policies, or even into any coherent political philosophy. So there's hope. His sillier ideas will simply never happen - because a president is not a dictator (not yet, anyway), and will need the support of the public and congress.

If he falls flat on his face, that's still better than 4 more years given to crony capitalism, the steady erosion of rights and the readiness to go to war in any corner of the world for murky and even conflicting reasons. At the very least, he will shake things up. That itself is risky, but there's always hope for a good outcome. Continuing as is, however, pretty much ensures misery for all but the wealthy and connected.

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@Laguna,

Yeah. I know her policies. Same a Obama and worse. How are they better than Trumps? He has policies but the left wing media and haters continue to pretend he doesnt.

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Trump's "policy" is to say whatever he thinks the people he's speaking to want to hear.

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Trump is no more racist than Clinton, or than maybe half of the politicians in DC.

Are you saying that his racism is OK because other politicians are racist, too?

This stuff is a non-issue,

I assume you're a white male. If so, it's easy for me to see why people of color in the US get so upset with Trump and his mostly white followers. I doubt people of color who've been discriminated against see Trump's racism, or for that matter racism in any form, as a 'non-issue'.

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Are you saying that his racism is OK because other politicians are racist, too?

I'm saying that a little racism is in most people, yet it's not nearly as bad in the US as some like to pretend. It's only used as a shortcut around addressing real problems. Nobody cares about Hillary's racism, everybody cares about Trumps.

You seem rather overly concerned about my color yourself. And yet you suggest I am the racist?

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Nobody cares about Hillary's racism, everybody cares about Trumps.

Which racist things has Hillary said?

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Countless, a Google search will show many. Even Bernie Sanders called her on it. Yes, she is more careful about words than Trump, but words don't make a racist.

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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trumps-speech-on-hillary-clinton-filled-with-distortions/

Facts, as usual for Trump, are non-existant - his speeches are now utterly unhinged as he lags behind woefully in both the polls and his pitiful fundraising. Albeit he is now the de-facto head of the Insane Party, I'm impressed at how he's taking Republican nutcasery to the next level.

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a Google search will show many

A google search will also show me that there are aliens living in the center of the earth, and pretty much any other tin-foil hat thinking in the world. I'm curious about a reputable source showing racist things she has said, which you seem to be implying exists, but aren't showing.

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And yet you suggest I am the racist

Only you know whether you are racist, but when I read:

yet it's not nearly as bad in the US as some like to pretend.

I'll invoke the duck principle.

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It's a never-ending circle with some people, isn't it? Whatever comments I give, you will excuse. Whatever comments Trump makes, you will interpret in the worst possible way. Either way, I'm not doing your research for you.

Obama's grandmother was a racist, according to him, and yet she raised him so well he became president. What then, is the significance of the word?

The first time I head to ridiculous moniker "people of color," it was from a racist. A liberal, perhaps well-intentioned racist maybe, but a racist in very sense of the word.

The problem now is that Americans have made it a bogeyman word, a way to avoid any serious political discussion. What has Trump said that is racist? (Remember that Mexicans and Muslims do not constitute a race.)

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Whatever comments I give, you will excuse.

Well, you made a claim, without providing anything to support it whatsoever. Of course I doubt that. I could say that Trump has had black men hung in secret basements below his casino, and that he burns Mexicans alive at his ranch in El Paso. But I wouldn't expect anyone to believe it if I didn't provide any sources to show it's true. Because maybe I made it up, or maybe I got it from a spotty website that is loose with the facts, or maybe I didn't understand what I was reading. That's why we have to support our claims with something to support them.

So yes, unless you can support your claims, I discount them.

Obama's grandmother was a racist, according to him, and yet she raised him so well he became president. What then, is the significance of the word?

Is the child guilty of the sins of the father? No. Trump's grandmother may have been racist, but unless he was, it doesn't matter. Contrast this with Trump, who is openly racist, and is intending to become the president of the USA. It's entirely different than Obama's grandmother being racist (which I would need supporting evidence to believe, if it had any relevance, which it doesn't).

What has Trump said that is racist?

If you want to get technical, it's bigotry. But that doesn't change the fact that he is discriminatory against people based on their nationality and/or their religion, which would be a disastrous trait in the president of a multi-cultural country.

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commanteerJUN. 23, 2016 - 07:24PM JST It's a never-ending circle with some people, isn't it? Whatever comments I give, you will excuse. Whatever comments Trump makes, you will interpret in the worst possible way.

Did you read the article I linked?

Every single one of Trump's statements on Clinton make only a "passing acquaintance with reality". And he's running for president.

There are plenty of reasons why the Republican party is going to be wiped out in November. Denial is right next to insanity at the top of the menu. Je te souhaite un bon appétit....!

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Of course Trump is racist. That is why the KKK supports him so strongly. And why Trump retweets them consistently. The whole birther fake movement was racist, maintaining that since Obama is black he cannot be an American. And Trump was the champion of that fake movement.

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So yes, unless you can support your claims, I discount them.

Likewise, you haven't supported your claims regarding Trump. So let's just discount the whole thing and move on.

Is the child guilty of the sins of the father?

You missed my point, which was that this "racist" woman did very well by her grandson (the one who said she was racist). Makes the kind of "racism" we are talking about look very benign.

If you want to get technical, it's bigotry. But that doesn't change the fact that he is discriminatory against people based on their nationality and/or their religion

Moving the goalposts a bit here. Whatever, let's give that to you. I won't demand an exhaustive list of references from sources I deem to be reputable. What does it mean to discriminated on the basis of nationality or religion? That's what immigration officers do around the world. And let's clear up what you mean by discrimination. We are not talking about denial of basic human rights, but about using discrimination in who is allowed in the country. The US has always discriminated in this regard, and does to this very day. They just don't talk about it as bluntly as Trump does.

So at least we now agree that Trump is not especially a racist - which was my original point. He may be a bigot, I don't know. But bigots can include people who marginalize Christians, conservatives, white men (particularly rural white men) and republicans, which makes much of the Democratic party bigots.

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Did Barack Obama's grandmother run for president? Who cares if she was racist or not. We have an openly racist person actually running for president now. His planned policies of banning Muslims and closing mosques are bigoted, his statements about Mexicans have been racist. Even when he tries not to be he can't hide his racism, calling a supporter "MY African-American." Okay, he hasn't implemented any racist or bigoted policies. You're going to give him credit for that? He hasn't been president yet. But he wants to do them. His followers want him to do them. And there at the close that classic white racist grievance-- "People are defending themselves against our bigotry and racism! They're the true racists for not letting us bully people of color!"

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Madverts, Trump's approach to veracity is as malleable as his approach to debt - only suckers take him at his word. He has admitted this numerous times himself, and with pride.

Many fact-checkers have had a red-flag day critiquing his TelePrompted speech. I'd note that his new approach is as intellectually bankrupt as ever, just less fun. Likely he'll soon revert to his free-wheeling self, both because he can't help himself (and nobody - not even his children - can keep him on a leash) and because that's what his fans demand - this is a friggin' reality show for them, man, and they don't need no damn policy papers.

LA Times has additional notes on Trump's fallacious address. http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-analysis-20160623-snap-story.html

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What does it mean to discriminated on the basis of nationality or religion? That's what immigration officers do around the world.

Immigration officers are not the leader of a nation. And in the first-world, I don't think any country bans any group in its entirety based on their religion or nationality. They also don't base their immigration principles on an entire nationality being rapists and murders.

And let's clear up what you mean by discrimination. We are not talking about denial of basic human rights, but about using discrimination in who is allowed in the country. The US has always discriminated in this regard, and does to this very day.

Not like Trump suggests, and not under the principles he espouses.

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The whole birther fake movement was racist, maintaining that since Obama is black he cannot be an American. And Trump was the champion of that fake movement.

That movement originated with Hillary Clinton's campaign. She gets a pass, though, right?

Did you read the article I linked? Every single one of Trump's statements on Clinton make only a "passing acquaintance with reality". And he's running for president.

Yes, but the article consisted of a reporter rephrasing and defining things to suit his purpose, which was to discredit Trump. Maybe he, too, only had a "passing acquaintance with reality" but I think it was intentionally misleading. Just a hunch.

I have to get some sleep sadly, and there is really no point in arguing with hysteria, which is what much of the anti-Trump press consists of. I think the USA is going to tank no matter who gets elected. Worse, no matter how bad things get, very few people will take that as a sign to reflect. They will just get more extreme and look for scapegoats. I suppose the scapegoat when that happens will depend on whose side one is on. The masters are experts at diverting the attention of the masses to less consequential issues.

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That movement originated with Hillary Clinton's campaign. She gets a pass, though, right?

Fact check time:

While it’s true that some of her ardent supporters pushed the theory, there is no evidence that Clinton or her campaign had anything to do with it.

Neither Cruz nor Trump presented any evidence that Clinton or anyone on her campaign ever questioned Obama’s birthplace, demanded to see his birth certificate, or otherwise suggested that Obama was not a “natural born citizen” eligible to serve as president.

According to the article, the theory that Obama was born in Kenya “first emerged in the spring of 2008, as Clinton supporters circulated an anonymous email questioning Obama’s citizenship.”

The second article, which ran several days after the Politico piece, was published by the Telegraph, a British paper, which stated: “An anonymous email circulated by supporters of Mrs Clinton, Mr Obama’s main rival for the party’s nomination, thrust a new allegation into the national spotlight — that he had not been born in Hawaii.”

Link: http://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/was-hillary-clinton-the-original-birther/

Let's compare this with Trump, who literally spent years pushing the the birther movement. Not his supporters, nor even his campaign managers (which of course he didn't have then), but the man himself.

but the article consisted of a reporter rephrasing and defining things to suit his purpose, which was to discredit Trump. Maybe he, too, only had a "passing acquaintance with reality" but I think it was intentionally misleading.

The article was backed up with numbers and facts. If you think it was misleading, show where any of those numbers or facts was incorrect. Otherwise your protestations mean nothing, and Trump is left looking like a fool for not even getting his facts right.

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LMFAO Clinton says the nation needs to "make sure that our economy works for everyone, not just for the rich or the well-connected." Okay let me have a speaking engagement where I can make $250,000 for one speech, let me make deals with the Saudi and have them funnel the money to my foundation, let me wear a $12,000 jacket while I give a speech, and promise 11million illegals citizenship and put 50 million Americans who are out of work in a worse predicament. Let me make promises that I can promise and then tell you later things changed since I made that promise and now I can't do anything about it. Let me make a promise to protect the American people and their jobs but in the mean tome promise allow illiterates into the country to take jobs. Let me promise to protect Americans when I can't protect my own private emails! Just let me!!!!!! My name is Hi-LIAR-y Rotten Clinton and I endorse these LIES!!

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Show me a politician who isn't economical with the truth. Trump seems to be very good at ridiculous exaggerations which is basically the same as lying. Probably that's how he became rich......by ripping gullible people off with his big, dodgy salesman statements and subsequent cons. Clinton doesn't exactly need to line her own pockets with money she doesn't need either so I don't think 'corrupt' is the right word for her. Anyway, it's been an interesting experience to see the GOP scrape the absolute bottom of the barrel for a candidate who, thankfully, is going to help the Democrats to a landslide win in the election. We should actually be thankful to DJT and the GOP for making the choice for people in the US an absolute no-brainer.

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Of course Trump is racist. That is why the KKK supports him so strongly.

If this statement is true, then Hillary is a liar. This is why she's under investigation by the feds in the first place.

She's a hypocrite too. Years back, she didn't support the LGBT thing. . . . but now she's for it, suddenly?

And just, Why are all you (posters) supporting her? Don't you know she was on Team Bush, in favor of unilaterally "invading" Iraq after 9/11?

I thought the wmd was a big lie? Heh, it was. But hey -hawks will be hawks. Learn this & take ur medicine.

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HRC for prison.

Trump for Asylum.

Bernie Sanders for White House.

But if by hook or crook ( ha ha, get it? ) Hillary is not indicted and/or actually becomes the Democratic nominee, and if Sanders doesn't run as an independent, I'll have to vote for the lesser of two evils as usual and vote for Trump.

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But if by hook or crook ( ha ha, get it? ) Hillary is not indicted and/or actually becomes the Democratic nominee, and if Sanders doesn't run as an independent, I'll have to vote for the lesser of two evils as usual and vote for Trump.

Who, with campaign funds amounting to only $1.3 million, a laughably inadequate campaign organisation and Republicans picking apart everything he says, is currently in Scotland checking up on his golf resort and doing photo-ops with bagpipers.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-eu-referendum-donald-trump-latest-uk-visit-scotland-remain-leave-a7097611.html

Inspirational, isn't it?

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Who, with campaign funds amounting to only $1.3 million, a laughably inadequate campaign organisation and Republicans picking apart everything he says, is currently in Scotland checking up on his golf resort and doing photo-ops with bagpipers.

He has raised 11 million in two days. Just FYI.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/22/politics/donald-trump-11-million-since-tuesday/

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Aren't most/all politicians liars? Corruptions can be defined in many different ways - from lobbying to kick back when out of office......

This while thing is like the pot calling the kettle black. Entertainment and more entertainment.

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Laguna at Jun. 23, 2016 - 09:00PM JST Madverts, Trump's approach to veracity is as malleable as his approach to debt - only suckers take him at his word. He has admitted this numerous times himself, and with pride.

It's the ones that don't seem morons that support Trump's ridiculous candidacy that disturb me. You only have to read commanteer's delusional reply to the absolute unhinged nonsense Trump is spouting to see the first class Denial first hand.

Lizz,

Nobody is doubting that Trump is taking the donations - it's the fact that he's using the donations to pay himself out and family members what is unethical, and in some cases quite possibly very illegal. I'm sure we can count on you birthers/benghaziers/emailobsessers to conduct the same cough continued outrage for Trump's devious mismanagement of campaign funds.

Mr "Self-funded" indeed. What's the bets that this ridiculous campaign ends in chapter 11 like everything else Trump has lent his name to?

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If this statement is true, then Hillary is a liar. This is why she's under investigation by the feds in the first place.

For liberals it sounds better if you say, the Republicans are pushing this investigation, as if they can tell the FBI to move out of the way.

She's a hypocrite too. Years back, she didn't support the LGBT thing. . . . but now she's for it, suddenly?

That would be called something the Clinton's a lot about

And just, Why are all you (posters) supporting her? Don't you know she was on Team Bush, in favor of unilaterally "invading" Iraq after 9/11?

Democrats always seem to conveniently forget that.

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It's the ones that don't seem morons that support Trump's ridiculous candidacy that disturb me.

As well it should.

15% of anywhere is made up of the hard core fascistic. The leaders are -- for the most part -- truly cynical. The followers, willing dupes.

In a democratic society, to succeed, to seize control, the fascistic must bully, trick and persuade the hard right that they provide the only alternative to the supposedly even worse other guy.

They are the useful idiots.

Donald Trump is not an aberration of the Republican party. He is what that horrid thing has been working towards for decades. Bush partly played the role of the sh*tkicking cowboy, Palin was the real thing. Nativist, know-nothing, idiot.

Donald Trump is just Palin, 2.0. When he crashes and burns, another will come along. The Republican party spent 25 years building that, and its gonna take a few more years for all the right wing fools to die off.

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Trump is spot on, and the reason for his popularity is precisely that he is only only one among the corrupt political pros who cuts through PC and the fear of getting lambasted by the biased press and calls things for what they are.

And that is precisely why the corrupt establishment of his party hates him, and why all the media smears (which are amazingly parrotted here by some) simply bounce off the guy.

Like some lead-eating cartoon monster, he gets stronger, the more hate they throw at him. It just shows that a large part of the electorate is simply tired of the globalist agenda, of PC, and of the "rino" politicians who get elected on promises to repeal Obamas agenda and then turn around and support it.

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Nobody is doubting that Trump is taking the donations - it's the fact that he's using the donations to pay himself out and family members what is unethical, and in some cases quite possibly very illegal. I'm sure we can count on you birthers/benghaziers/emailobsessers to conduct the same cough continued outrage for Trump's devious mismanagement of campaign funds.

I doubt very much it is illegal. This has been done on other filings and we would have heard by now if so. My best guess is that those funds are probably either reimbursing Trump company employees salaries or out of pocket expenses for their time spent on the campaign ???

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Well, here we are a day later. Not one right wing Trump supporter here took the challenge.

The challenge was and is:

I bet Clinton beats the living crap out of Trump. I bet Clinton does better against Trump in both the popular vote, and the electoral college that Obama did when he clobbered McCain back in '08.

What do I bet? The only thing we have here on JT: our presence. At stakes is our ability to post here for six months. I win, you go away. You win, I go away. For six months. No sock puppets. No new handles.

Just go away.

'Cause I am that confident.

Are you?

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rump is spot on, and the reason for his popularity is precisely that he is only only one among the corrupt political pros who cuts through PC

He has just created his own right-wing PC points. They are no less-PC than those that the right would criticize, but since they fit the narrative of the right, the right-wingers are ok with it.

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commanteer - well said on all points. And yes, we're wasting our time with some on this site - round and round it goes with the goalposts shifting and the circumlocutions and inconsistencies entering the picture fairly quickly. Yeah, Im amused at the way the ones who are always accusing others of racism or of being "bigots" ( their favorite word) are so quick to assume anyone who disagrees with them is "white", racist and a "bigot".

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I bet Clinton beats the living crap out of Trump. I bet Clinton does better against Trump in both the popular vote, and the electoral college that Obama did when he clobbered McCain back in '08.

What do I bet? The only thing we have here on JT: our presence. At stakes is our ability to post here for six months. I win, you go away. You win, I go away. For six months. No sock puppets. No new handles.

Just go away.

'Cause I am that confident.

Are you?

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I dont get it. Are you assuming Im a trump supporter or are we just betting on everything these days for kicks?

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LizzJUN. 24, 2016 - 12:46AM JST

He has raised 11 million in two days. Just FYI.

If I'd donated any of that and then found out he's jetted off to Scotland to oversee his... "business empire" I think I'd be feeling a bit ripped off. Perhaps it would have been better to give the money direct to the Republican National Committee as I think they're the people Trump expects to do all his work for him.

Oh, and anyone claiming that Clinton is a barefaced liar while Trump isn't should read this again...

Trump said Clinton was sleeping “soundly” in her bed as a deadly attack unfolded in Benghazi, Libya, in 2012 in which four Americans were killed. State Department records show Clinton was in her State Department office when news of the opening assaults came through.

...and then shut up, because they're talking just as much garbage as Trump himself.

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"Brent Scowcroft just endorsed HRC. This is so over."

But wait, there's more! Former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld just endorsed Trump! The game's afoot!

One of the reasons why Rumsfeld won't vote for Clinton: "Telling the parents of people who've been killed that it was the result of a video when she knew it was not is not a good thing to do."

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Hillary lies.

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Still no takers. Looks like all the right wingers talk the talk, but don't walk the walk.

'Cause they know HRC is gonna clobber Donald Trump.

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I DID NOT WRITE THIS BUT THIS IS WHAT ALL AMERICANS NEED TO KNOW ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON’S ALLEGED SAP COMPROMISE WRITTEN BY MAJ ED COET, USA (RET) [COURTESY: CAPT Les Horn, USN (Ret)]

My name is Ed Coet. I am a retired US Army Intelligence Officer. In my last job in the army I was the Chief of the Human Intelligence Branch for the US European Command in Stuttgart, Germany. In that capacity I was also the Designated Program Manager for a Special Access Program (SAP) like the SAP that Hillary Clinton is alleged to have compromised in the most recent State Department Inspector General report to congress and which has been widely reported in the news.

Here is what I personally know about SAP’s and what I can attest to in an unclassified forum:

The names of each SAP are themselves classified Top Secret because the information within the SAP are far and above Top Secret.

SAP’s are so sensitive that even people who have security clearances giving them access to Top Secret Sensitive Compartment Information (TS SCI), an enormously high security clearance level, cannot have accesses to a SAP’s unless they receive a special indoctrination into the SAP based on an operational “must know” that exceeds all other “need to know” standards.

Being “read on” for a SAP is far more then acknowledging in writing that you have been briefed on the SAP. It is an in-depth “indoctrination” into the given SAP, and each SAP is itself compartmented separately from other SAPS. Having access to one SAP does not give you access to another SAP, and in fact rarely does. Only a tiny handful of people have knowledge of all SAP’s. SAP’s are the most stringently compartmented and protected information in the entire US government.

Unlike Top Secret SCI which is maintained in highly secure Sensitive Compartmented Information Facilitates (SCIF’s) managed by specially trained Special Security Officers (SSO’s) at various levels of command, every single SAP is managed by an individually designated Program Manager for each individual SAP covering an entire theater of operations. In other words, SAP Program Managers are far fewer in number than there is SSO’s. SSO’s are not cleared to even know about SAP’s or to maintain information about them in their already enormously secure SCIF’s. How SAP’s are secured cannot be discussed because of the sensitive beyond Top Secret nature in which it is done.

Unlike individuals with the highest Top Secret SCI access security clearances, who must undergo a special background information with periodic “bring-up” background investigation, those tiny few who have access to SAP’s must also endure periodic polygraph tests in addition to the most comprehensive of special background investigations. I used to have to schedule four-star generals and admirals to be polygraphed in order for them to maintain their access to my SAP. Many generals and admirals who obviously have the highest security clearances still did not rate being indoctrinated into my SAP. In fact, they didn’t even know the SAP existed.

Compromise of a SAP is the single most dangerous security violation that can ever happen to the USA. Even the enormously damaging revelations of the Edward Snowden’s TOP Secret SCI security compromise does not reach the level of a SAP compromise.

To put SAP information in to an unsecure sever like Hillary Clinton’s unsecure server is a class one felony that could, in some cases, result in life in prison. That is because such a compromise is so dangerous that it could and likely will result in the death of people protected by and within the scope of the SAP.

As a former SAP Program Manager I believe it is inconceivable that if it is verified that Hillary Clinton’s server actually had SAP information on it that she could possibly escape indictment and criminal prosecution. As hard as it is to imagine, that would even be worse then electing to not prosecute a mass murdering serial killer because even they could not inflict as much damage on our country as the compromise of a SAP. Compromise of a SAP not only could — but without doubt would — cause serious damage to our national security.

If it is true that Hillary Clinton had SAP information on her unsecure server, whether it was marked or not, you can be sure that the FBI will strongly recommend that charges be brought against Hillary Clinton and continue in an exhaustive investigation to trace back to every single person that had even the tiniest role in this unbelievable security compromise.

If the Attorney General, through “prosecutorial discretion,” elected not to prosecute this crime, I believe congress would have no alternative but to impeach her, and the FBI would then have no choice but to conduct a criminal investigation of her for a deliberate cover up –- so grave is this security violation.

If President Obama were to pardon Hillary Clinton for a compromise of this magnitude he would render himself in the historical record as an “enemy of the state,” and could himself face criminal prosecution –- so grave is such a security compromise. Nobody, not even the POTUS could gets away with something like this in our system of government.

If anyone could escape persecution for compromising a SAP, we are deep trouble as a nation. No president who loves this country and is true to his oath would ever allow anyone, not even his or her closest and most loved relative, to get away with a SAP compromise. It is simply unimaginable that this could ever happen.

If the ongoing investigation finds that Hillarååy Clinton compromised a SAP, then we all should know with certainty, regardless of political persuasion, that she is entirely unfit to hold public office of any kind let alone President of the USA — and ALL Americans should never tolerate it. Compromising a SAP is an absolute “disqualifier” for public office and access to our nations most sensitive information – period.

ED COET Major, US Army (Retired)

P.S. It is my sincere hope that each of you will share this article, to help other Americans understand how grave Hillary Clinton’s alleged SAP compromise is. We can’t allow anyone so careless with this level of information to have access to any classified information ever again for as long as she lives. This would surely render her unqualified and unfit to hold any public office let alone POTUS if this allegation proves to be true.

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I bet Clinton beats the living crap out of Trump. I bet Clinton does better against Trump in both the popular vote, and the electoral college that Obama did when he clobbered McCain back in '08. What do I bet? The only thing we have here on JT: our presence. At stakes is our ability to post here for six months. I win, you go away. You win, I go away. For six months. No sock puppets. No new handles.

Just go away.

'Cause I am that confident.

Are you?

I'll take that bet.

I bet Clinton does better against Trump in both the popular vote, and the electoral college that Obama did when he clobbered McCain back in '08.

Get rid of this part. Straight up Win to Lose, and I'm in.....because I'm that confident in the American people.

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Hey, Black Sabbath, how about a bet on Sanders becoming the nominee after Hillary's indicted?

Are you confident she won't be indicted and she'll actually become the nominee? Tee hee!

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so a litigious liar calls a serial liar a liar but he's telling the truth about the lies although disagreeing with the liar means it's also a lie. Clear?

Great Meteor 2016! End it all!

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Hey, Black Sabbath, how about a bet on Sanders becoming the nominee after Hillary's indicted?

Are you confident she won't be indicted and she'll actually become the nominee? Tee hee!

Hey Serrano, how about putting your money where your mouth is? If you want to continue to peddle the Hillary conspiracy theory, then simply take the original challenge. It's time to put up or shut up.

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I'll take that bet.

Its a deal.

Just so we are clear,ou countered my offer with a straight up win for either HRC or Trump, so hear are our terms:

I bet Clinton will win. You bet Trump will win. If either our respective candidates lose, we will not post here at JT for six months.

That is our bet.

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@JoeAmerican: Nice cut and paste job. Unfortunately, no reputable website has been able to collaborate what you posted. In other words, you just posted another right-wing hoax.

Try again.

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As far as I know, third part fact checkers have looked into everything Trump has said and have found nothing to support his statements, as far as I know. So the bigger question is or should be: Who really is the bigger liar. Trump or Clinton?

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I don't think he does not realize people think he lies when he rushed to talk and then talks after fact is reporteband he changed his talks.. on the contrary, Hillary waits until all data is known, then he talks and criticize Trump.

@dmace: Intelligence duty officers are college degreed officers, not uneducated enlisted men. That is why you cannot find record of that comment writers record.. Just like CIA and FBI officers, they are not allowed to tell what they were...

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If he gets in, how about starting an organization to remove the USA from his authority, and calling it TREXIT.

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So much about lying...it is deception, it is misinformation, it is not telling the facts as they really are. It is also called dishonesty and not being truthful.

In all cases of lying there are reasons why.

The most important thing is the "reason" why one lies. In life we all lie and do for some legitimate or illegitimate, justified and unjustified reasons as well as moral and immoral, ethical and unethical, legal and illegal purposes and intent of that lie. Some even put value to the "degree" (difficult of evaluate this) of a lie.

It appears that the final judgement on the most part appears to be whether the result from that lying was some "harm" done and to whom. Obviously, one lied to benefit him/herself. But how that lie affected the other party makes a lot of difference.

Here the lie is tied in to the "reliability" and character of both candidates. It also ties in to the "position" he/she is to hold with a very high level of responsibility affecting millions of lives, the Presidency.

For one candidate to "accuse" another of being a liar in public, there has to be some substantiating facts to back that up. Therefore there may be such details available to substantiate those claims made. Otherwise the accuser him/herself becomes the liar and he/she cannot afford to do that in an contested election such as this.

The key to all of this is in the information available for the public to see and evaluate. regardless of his business tactics, Trump has so far been open, although argumentative and defensive about some of the facts and accusations. Clinton has in front of the US Congress and in the media testified and literally on record lied. The facts show that she is hiding all such information which can determine the truth about all of the accusations made.

That in the public eye gives more "doubt" as to Clinton's honesty as compared to Trump, regardless of their character, abrasive or not. Fact checking or not, accurate in assessment or not, Trump is "exposed" but Clinton is still very much a mystery.

There is no open evidence of any legitimacy in any of her now called "shady" and "corrupt" dealings to enrich her foundation. Regardless of whether the foundation is doing "good" and "humane" work for the world, no one knows exactly how and why she got so unrealistically wealthy within such a short period of time. There has been no open and honest disclosure on her part on any of the issues, just because all the fact are not disclosed in the open to substantiate her claims.

Only now are the fact surrounding Iran, Russia, Benghazi, Email Server and the Clinton Foundation are becoming available. So far all of what is being exposed are contradictory to every claim she has made so far.

Therefore, at least for now Trump can accuse her as being a liar.

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Honestly, both of them are bad and are unworthy of being President. Neither of them will get my vote.

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Honestly, both of them are bad and are unworthy of being President. Neither of them will get my vote.

I agree completely. The problem is whether or not it can still be considered good citizenship to refuse to vote for either of these horribly unqualified candidates. Even the Libertarian is so loony as to rule out a protest vote. When you cannot vote in favor of someone must you vote against the other? It's a lose-lose proposition no matter how you look at it.

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I agree completely. The problem is whether or not it can still be considered good citizenship to refuse to vote for either of these horribly unqualified candidates. Even the Libertarian is so loony as to rule out a protest vote. When you cannot vote in favor of someone must you vote against the other? It's a lose-lose proposition no matter how you look at it.

Well, we have to make a stand somewhere and somehow. Why should we accept any candidate that we don't like or who doesn't agree with our views? We need to let the establishment and the 1% know that we want change. We want change that benefits us not them. We won't just 'fall in line' or pick their candidate because we are afraid of the other. They need to earn our vote, not expect it.

So as my duty as a citizen I will vote for who represents not only myself but the interest of the American people, and that is neither Clinton nor Trump.

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Clinton and her staff have denied this and similar allegations, dismissing them as politically motivated smears. Wow I can't believe the country has let a staff of professional liars persuade them to think other wise. I don't care who wins because neither candidate is good for the country but one thing I can't stand is a LIAR and Hi-LIAR-y is definitely that. Regardless of who wins the US will be in for a big change with in the next 2.5 years not for the better only the worst and if they can't get the guns out of the peoples hands quick enough it will be total madness. What we see going on in with Britex is a precursor to what will happen in the US. The US cannot continue to give entitlements out to all the illegals and the career politicians that are now in office is not for the rule of the people they are in office to cushion their pockets and retire wealthy, anytime one family makes over $300 million in 10 years based on political affiliations and corrupt dealings and don't go to jail for it is totally wrong. The people are tired and they will take to the streets as you can see in the conventions that are taking place. The US is finished because the leaders mislead the flock!!

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Benghazi inquiry in House. Republican panel members rejected pressure to politicize their investigation so that Trump win, and they voted on fact how Clinton behaved when she was informed. The panel cleared her.

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Hillary has blood on her hands.

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