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Trump questions legitimacy of election; challenges Clinton to take drug test

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The man is damaging American democracy essentially because he is a sore loser. What a disaster.

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I've had to take drug tests for minimum wage jobs. These people are asking us for a job with a lot more stakes than those, it's fair to ask them for a drug test.

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Here we go. Every time Trump says something about someone else, crooked, liar, sexual predator, treats accusers abusively, now drug tests, it's usually going on with him.

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He's clearly having some sort of public mental breakdown.

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She wasn't on drugs, Trump, she is just much much better than you at debating.

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all politicians should be drug tested

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Poor Donald. Apparently, he is the victim of a fix - and not an average fix. He elaborates:

The whole thing is one big fix. It's one big fix. It's one big ugly lie. It's one big fix. The press can't write the kind of things they write, which are lies, lies, lies.

Wow! Sounds infectious! The fix is so unfounded, Trump suggested, that "(Obama) better be careful because they could say it about anybody. Anybody at all."

Poor little guy. It's so sad it almost makes me forgive him for this Tweet:

An 'extremely credible source' has called my office and told me that @BarackObama's birth certificate is a fraud.

Ha ha! - just kidding - no forgiveness, just poetic justice. Buck up, big boy: You've had this coming for quite some time. Take it like a man - like Barack has done.

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The USA is a great country with much to be admired and respected. It's a really shame that this man is making such a mockery of its people, institutions and values.

I feel embarrassed and I'm not even American.

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Dear oh dear... this guy is off the charts. His stupidity, ignorance, sexism, and hypocritical and racist behavior is of monolithic proportions.

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A beleaguered Donald Trump sought to undermine the legitimacy of the U.S. presidential election on Saturday, pressing unsubstantiated claims the contest is rigged against him, vowing anew to jail Hillary Clinton if he’s elected and throwing in a baseless insinuation his rival was on drugs in the last debate.

this guy is off the charts

Seriously! -- The test that's needed is a mental health exam for Trump, followed by a nice long rest.

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Cry me a waaaambulance Trump! You've lost and you don't like it. You may well be the one in jail soon.

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Trump has aroused a dirty underbelly of American Society, one we were sure was much smaller and better informed.

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"He's clearly having some sort of public mental breakdown."

Agree, what was he on about with his 'athletes, drug tests' etc drivel!? Have to say am not as anti trump as most on here and am just enjoying the show but DT's frequent intellectual lapses are puzzling. You know you're drawing a very long bow when you link politics and sports and 'demand' that your political opponent be drug tested!

This was plain weird probably his most surreal public appearance and there has a been a few. Didn't get his post 2nd debate HC mimicking either. Didnt seem more exhausted than he was.

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A classic narcissist is always talking about himself , either directly in his boasting or indirectly in projecting his many insecurities on his enemies. Every statement this sad little man-baby dribbles out follows this obvious pattern.

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Trump acting like a spoiled little child having a temper tantrum..

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Meanwhile, in the news for Russia Today, they are openly stating "Clintons Syria NO FLY ZONE POLICY COULD TRIGGER WW3"

I know Clinton zombies believe eveything the mainstream media feeds them, but Russia has moved a large portion of its nuclear arsanal to the European border and telling the citizens to prepare for nuclear war. AND OBAMAS JOE BIDEN calls for open cyberwar with Russia over UNSUBSTANTIATED CLAIMS over Clinton email hacks!

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Our own intelligence agency professionals have said Trump is an "unwitting agent" of Mister KGB Putin.

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And it is very clear that many believe everything they are told from 1 source

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Trump offered no evidence to support the bizarre claim.

But then this is a man who watched thousands of 'Muslims' dancing in glee on 9-11, who claims Obama is a Kenyan Muslim who created ISIS, that claimed he got to know Putin well and then claimed he'd never met him, among dozens and dozens of other 'bizarre claims'.

If by saying 'it's rigged' he's making the point that the rich and powerful have greater control over who runs for political office and who gets elected, he's showing he has an inkling of a mastery of the obvious. All daddy's money bought him an Ivy League education and that's the best he can do with it, approximate a mastery of the obvious? On the rich and powerful dictating the rules, as the great Scot David Byrne sang: 'Same as it ever was.'

Saying 'it's rigged' is a bit rich coming from a member of the elites, someone like him who's been manipulating political candidates and systems all his life.

Now he claims he's a victim. This is a man who's been victimizing people all his life. Read up on how he's had his team of high priced lawyers bully small small businessmen, pay attention to the women he's sexually molested and the fact that he's bragged about what he's done to his fellow ruling class acquaintances. His playing the victim card is rich. A different rich from his daddy from whom he inherited a fortune, but rich nonetheless.

My prediction: Trump will get the most votes in states with 1.) the highest gun ownership and 2.) states with the highest percent of regular church goers. Elsewhere, moderate, sensible Americans will have seen through his lies.

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@JefferyDomer keep it real buddy..

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If Trump supporters truly wanted to change their system, they'd be more concentrated on local races to elect non-millionaire non-billionaire independents. The White House is largely controlled by the Senate and House especially their budget. Wanting to watch the world burn from an orange was not a strategy in anything meaningful or useful only useless and destructive

With any luck the purge of Republicans imploding will leave the Democrats in control of the White House and both the Senate and the House.

Congratulations to all the rabid Trump supporters, for without your scary electioneering it most definitely would not have been possible

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Mr. Sniff-Sniff thinks she needs a drug test? The guy who people are saying was taking cocaine before the debates?

And thinking that he's losing because the election is rigged is just more evidence of his extreme narcissism. In his mind, he can say whatever he wants, and do whatever he wants, and he will still win, because he'd Donald F-ing Trump.

Anyone who still thinks that this guy is suitable for president is nearly as clueless as he is.

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Performance enhancing drug for a debate? For old people? Is he on Viagra?

(Though Trump did just pull his ground crew out of the battle state of Virginia. He's essentially giving it up for Hillary, after spending so much time there. That's crazy.)

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Hillary is beyond incapable of leading anything, let alone the country, if anyone needs a drug test (medical, mental etc.) without a question, it's her.

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The Donald should take an IQ test.

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Why does anyone take this village idiot seriously?

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"FIX"? With the kind of highly skilled and utterly ruthless campaign staff HRC has a "fix" is unnecessary. And remember that every one of these people will be given a job in her administration. What will the booby prize be? Doing the laundry?

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The guy who's constantly sniffing during the debates is asking for his opponent to take a drug test?! That's rich!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=9suHrzvFCWY

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The guy who's constantly sniffing during the debates is asking for his opponent to take a drug test?! That's rich!

Our we diving in the realm of conspiracy theories again?

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Our we diving in the realm of conspiracy theories again?

Oh my god, did you really just ask that? Why don't you ask your leader/demigod, who his claiming Clinton needs drug testing?

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Our we diving in the realm of conspiracy theories again?

I'm just following Trump's strategy.

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The truth is, he's just saying something as extreme as he can, hoping it will take the attention off of his talk of assaulting women, and the women who came forward to say he did just that.

While this current talk of drug testing is entirely nutty and can't help him, it's not going to harm him nearly as much as if people keep talking about Hands-on Don. It's a squirrel.

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'If elected president, Hillary Clinton plan for Syrian no-fly zone could trigger WWIII'

-Russia Today

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/362872-exceptionalism-hillary-clinton-america/

SO go now, all 10-15 of you in this comment section, pat yourselves on the back! Lets hope Hillary gets in! You deserve it!

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SO go now, all 10-15 of you in this comment section, pat yourselves on the back! Lets hope Hillary gets in! You deserve it!

Yup.

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bass4funk and all the other Trumptons are the only people who need to be tested for drugs, as it's the only explanation for how deluded they are.

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@bass4funk

Hillary is beyond incapable of leading anything, let alone the country, if anyone needs a drug test (medical, mental etc.) without a question, it's her.

Yeah but why do you bring it up now, a few weeks before the election? Are you incapable of having an idea that Trump hasn't had first?

If it should be a requirement that candidates have a drug test, that can start with the next election, and by general agreement, just as, for the last 40 years, and without it being required by law, candidates release their tax returns. All candidates except Donald Trump.

But there's no point in allowing a candidate who is going down in flames to suddenly start inserting conditions just so that he can say the game was rigged when he loses. This is all part of his pattern of releasing sketchy information about himself (tax, medical records) but whipping up a ruckus about what other people aren't releasing.

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JefferyDomer wrote: "SO go now, all 10-15 of you in this comment section, pat yourselves on the back! Lets hope Hillary gets in! You deserve it!" ... ...

I'm glad you didn't use "if" she gets in. It may be closer for comfort than HRC supporters would like, but she will get in barring some vote changing prophetic utterance from Gary Johnson. His candidacy serves as a refuge for protest voters. He himself has no chance ... though he seems like the kind of guy I'd share a doobie with. (BTW, I cannot bring myself to believe Bill actually inhaled.)

Now, Jeffery's constant reference to Ruskies... Other sources do indicate that the Russian generals want to make a comeback and justify the recent modernization of Russian forces. To win you have to have enough men and material in the right place at the right time. It would seem they are making provision for that as we write.

The only good news is that Hillary is finished with menopause.

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Shame to you, Trump the Evil. The GOP will lose a lot of credibility because of your indecency and low-moral, if not vulgar language. After this infamous race, Trump and his cronies should be jailed for their probable connections with the enemies.

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Trump said the same thing about the republican primary. He won. So this 'fix is in" thing is used when he wins or this time when he loses. And his old, tired, paranoid whitbread racist followers are all over it. They love the spy under the bed stuff.

But on other news Trump has renamed the GOP to the Grab Our Pu**sy party apparently to appeal to his basket of deplorables base. They love it.

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@Mike

It's all good. We feel the same about Hillary supporters. LOL

If it should be a requirement that candidates have a drug test, that can start with the next election, and by general agreement, just as, for the last 40 years, and without it being required by law, candidates release their tax returns. All candidates except Donald Trump.

Sure, that was a huge mistake on his part and I was always for him getting that out of the way. That was stupid for him not to do it and it cost him.

But there's no point in allowing a candidate who is going down in flames to suddenly start inserting conditions just so that he can say the game was rigged when he loses.

Well, that the election is rigged is No big surprise to anyone, but I don't see the problem that both of shouldn't have a drug test. It would clear up a lot of confusion on both sides.

This is all part of his pattern of releasing sketchy information about himself (tax, medical records) but whipping up a ruckus about what other people aren't releasing.

Hey, if anyone has a sketchy record when it comes to medical issues, it ain't Trump, that's for sure.

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The 'Defeat Crooked Hillary' PAC challenged both Trump and Hillary to take a drug test last week.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/07/defeat-crooked-hillary-pac-calls-for-candidates-to-be-drug-tested-ahead-of-next-debate/

Defeat Crooked Hillary PAC Calls for Candidates to Be Drug Tested Ahead of Next Debate - 7 Oct 2016

“If athletes need to be tested for drugs for the biggest race of their lives, shouldn’t candidates be tested for the biggest race of yours?” That’s the question the Defeat Crooked Hillary PAC is asking in a new 30-second ad titled, “Race of a Lifetime.” ... Presumably, neither campaign should have reason to object to drug testing the candidates, as Clinton’s campaign has repeatedly insisted that Clinton is in fine health, ...

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pressing unsubstantiated claims the contest is rigged against him,"

Well, we do have proven claims the media, except for some of the Fox News people, is rigged against him.

"Nothing about Clinton’s demeanor in the debate suggested she was under the influence. "

I agree, I don't think Clinton needs drugs to smirk like that as if she's telling us we don't need to know the truth, I think she does it all on her own. .

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Well, we do have proven claims the media, except for some of the Fox News people, is rigged against him.

The media is not the government, does not run the election, and does not participate in the electoral process. Therefore they have no way of rigging the election.

Now if you want to complain that they are influencing the direction of the election, then you need to apply the same criticism to Fox "News" who has been doing it for years.

What it comes down to though, is that the media is under no legal requirement to not be biased. That's not a rigged system, it's just one that Trump is losing and is bitter about it.

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@bass4funk

Sure, that was a huge mistake on his part and I was always for him getting that out of the way. That was stupid for him not to do it and it cost him.

But apparently you were never capable of understanding why he wouldn't and couldn't do it. It was never something he could just release and get out of the way.

Well, that the election is rigged is No big surprise to anyone,

Trump as a candidate and as a human being consists of nothing but defects. He is mentally ill. And he is fundamentally unlikeable. For this and other reasons, he is fortunately assured of losing. That doesn't make the election rigged, it makes Trump the worst nominee in American history.

I don't see the problem that both of shouldn't have a drug test. It would clear up a lot of confusion on both sides.

There's a huge problem with it. The idea came from Trump. It has never been a precondition for candidates before, and it is not Trump's place to start dreaming up new rules. If it was brought in for a future election, it would perhaps be acceptable, after appropriate discussion and consideration. Insisting on it now just because one of the candidates is mad and is scrabbling around for any diversion he confide is exactly the wrong reason for giving it any thought at all.

Hey, if anyone has a sketchy record when it comes to medical issues, it ain't Trump, that's for sure.

You understand what "record" means in the context of medical records, tax records, don't you? All that Trump released was a 3-paragraph summary written in suspiciously hyperbolic language that the average physician would be embarrassed to sign: "astonishingly excellent" laboratory test results.

The question of which candidate is healthier, or who is in good health and who isn't, is a separate issue. Trump's letter is derisory as a "medical record", but it's in keeping with the half-arsed way he does everything.

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wontond: The guy who's constantly sniffing during the debates is asking for his opponent to take a drug test?! That's rich!

He challenged her to take a drug test along with himself. Not just her. Why would he include himself if he needs coke to get through a debate?

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This is really Hillary-damaging:

"WIKILEAKS 8 JUST RELEASED: Clinton Evades Email Subpoena and Uses Fake Craigslist Against Trump"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1dErLIYnwc

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The media is not the government, does not run the election, and does not participate in the electoral process. Therefore they have no way of rigging the election.

It shouldn't, but it has been, so reading through the Wikileaks, people like Donna Brazile and John Harwood have been actively involved in this campaign to giving Hillary some of her questions in the first debate to the admission of Harwood admitting to going harder on Trump. I have never seen anything like this in my adult life, this makes Watergate look like a Sesame Street flick.

But apparently you were never capable of understanding why he wouldn't and couldn't do it. It was never something he could just release and get out of the way.

Excuse me? I was always saying that Trump should release his tax records,

Trump as a candidate and as a human being consists of nothing but defects. He is mentally ill.

Then you must really hate Hillary if you say it like that.

And he is fundamentally unlikeable. For this and other reasons, he is fortunately assured of losing. That doesn't make the election rigged, it makes Trump the worst nominee in American history.

Both are unlikeable, in particular, he with women and she with men.

There's a huge problem with it. The idea came from Trump. It has never been a precondition for candidates before, and it is not Trump's place to start dreaming up new rules. If it was brought in for a future election, it would perhaps be acceptable, after appropriate discussion and consideration. Insisting on it now just because one of the candidates is mad and is scrabbling around for any diversion he confide is exactly the wrong reason for giving it any thought at all.

Simple way to squash that, both take a drug test, get it over with and then move on to the real issues.

You understand what "record" means in the context of medical records, tax records, don't you? All that Trump released was a 3-paragraph summary written in suspiciously hyperbolic language that the average physician would be embarrassed to sign: "astonishingly excellent" laboratory test results.

Uh-huh...when Hillary can stand on her own "unaided" stop getting dizzy episodes and stops passing out, we can talk, until then....

The question of which candidate is healthier, or who is in good health and who isn't, is a separate issue. Trump's letter is derisory as a "medical record", but it's in keeping with the half-arsed way he does everything.

You really think so? I disagree.

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"Our we diving in the realm of conspiracy theories again?"

Are you still worried that Obama, the possible Muslim, may cancel the election and declare martial law? I know you used to share this fear along with Ben Carson. Only a few weeks left...

Best keep that basement stocked with food and firearms.

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The man is damaging American democracy essentially because he is a sore loser. What a disaster.

He hasn't lost yet. A lot can happen in 28 days.

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Strangerland wrote: "Now if you want to complain that they are influencing the direction of the election, then you need to apply the same criticism to Fox "News" who has been doing it for years." ... ...

Spot on, Strangerland. One might complain that one's favorite media outlets have failed to perform as well as the opposition's. Go ahead and complain to them. It's a matter of competence. Some are better at promoting a story - true or not - than others. It would be interesting to display the ratings of various news outlets for the past two years to see how they have fared. I'm assuming that outlets' revenue and executive compensation are still connected to ratings and how well those executives please the owners. "Cui bono"? Certainly the winning candidate benefits the most, but the media owners certainly expect to collect from the winner with at least better access and extra revenue from higher ratings. Them that gots get the money.

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Are you still worried that Obama, the possible Muslim, may cancel the election and declare martial law? I know you used to share this fear along with Ben Carson. Only a few weeks left...

To tell you the truth, the main event that I am most excited about is to NOT EVER having to see Obama again in a few months. So I am not worried at all about Obama, in fact, I'm overly excited

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Simple way to squash that, both take a drug test, get it over with and then move on to the real issues.

Trump has zero standing to demand any new conditions that have never existed before, when he won't even fulfill what every candidate has done in 40 years.

So there is an even simpler way to squash it - he can shut up.

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"To tell you the truth, the main event that I am most excited about is to NOT EVER having to see Obama again in a few months. So I am not worried at all about Obama, in fact, I'm overly excited"

So, you no longer believe in the cracked nonsense put out by the paranoid religious lunatic you supported for president. That's progress, I suppose.

Do you think that Hillary would be an improvement on Obama if she wins?

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@bass4funk

Excuse me? I was always saying that Trump should release his tax records,

Oh that was over your head was it?

Trump won't and can't release his tax records because they contain information that would be fatally damaging to his campaign. He'd never even have got as far as the Republican nomination if he'd released them back then, and he wouldn't be elected now if he...well, he's not going to be elected now anyway.

There never was a time when he could have simply released his returns and got on with campaigning. He'd have been gone, pre-convention, and at this stage, finding out what's in his tax records is highly damaging, as we saw when the New York Times did it on his behalf. A few idiots strutting around saying he's a business and tax genius couldn't change that.

And that's what you can't understand.

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Crooked Hillary is a two faced,back stabbing not sure if she is left or right politician. Just look at her dripping with bad energy and arrogance. She should most definitely be tested for drugs AND so should Donald. She's the only Liberal I know that thinks and acts just like a Republican. Must be the drugs.

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wipeout: Trump won't and can't release his tax records because they contain information that would be fatally damaging to his campaign.

If that's true, why didn't the leaked tax returns include this fatal info?

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Hillary is damaged goods. She is not well, she can never lead the free world.She should be drug tested. Why couldn't we have found a better democratic candidate for President. Leadership has so much to do with charisma and she has none.

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To tell you the truth, the main event that I am most excited about is to NOT EVER having to see Obama again in a few months. So I am not worried at all about Obama, in fact, I'm overly excited

I have a very good feeling that Michelle Obama could make her own Presidential run in the future.

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This is interesting:

"Pennsylvania congressman explains why he backs Trump"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7U5Qk-iUR0

And this:

"Clinton campaign to compare WikiLeaks dump to Watergate"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrLxibxw4Uk

Question If the polls showing Hillary up 7points are accurate, what's up with WAY more people attending Trump's rallies than Hillary's?

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So, you no longer believe in the cracked nonsense put out by the paranoid religious lunatic you supported for president.

I never said that.

Do you think that Hillary would be an improvement on Obama if she wins?

No.

Oh that was over your head was it?

No, Hillary lying her....you know what was.

Trump won't and can't release his tax records because they contain information that would be fatally damaging to his campaign. He'd never even have got as far as the Republican nomination if he'd released them back then, and he wouldn't be elected now if he...well, he's not going to be elected now anyway.

I don't believe so, but Thanks to the media, for the pile on.

There never was a time when he could have simply released his returns and got on with campaigning. He'd have been gone, pre-convention, and at this stage, finding out what's in his tax records is highly damaging, as we saw when the New York Times did it on his behalf. A few idiots strutting around saying he's a business and tax genius couldn't change that.

You want to talk about Hillary's speeches or do you just want to ride Trump?

And that's what you can't understand.

The only thing I understand for all of Trump's fault that Hillary is worse than what Nixon EVER could have been.

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"Question If the polls showing Hillary up 7points are accurate, what's up with WAY more people attending Trump's rallies than Hillary's?"

Nobody can argue for a second that Clinton is more entertaining than Trump. She's pretty wooden and uninspiring. If you watch a Trump rally, it looks like great fun - like a pro-wrestling event. You can boo, hiss, chant and make whooping noises when he says Elizabeth Warren.

Question - would you whoop at a Trump rally?

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Hillary Clinton is dripping with bad energy and arrogance. She should most definitely be tested for drugs AND so should Donald. She's the only Liberal I know that thinks and acts just like a Republican. Must be the drugs.

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Question If the polls showing Hillary up 7points are accurate, what's up with WAY more people attending Trump's rallies than Hillary's?

1) Because a ridiculously large amount of people are 'anyone but Trump', and these people are not going to be going to Hillary rallies.

2) Because Hillary supporters are not like cultists listening to the preachers of their profit (misspelling intended). Trump supporters on the other hand...

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Rally numbers are just as irrelevant in the big picture as poll numbers are.

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"She's the only Liberal I know that thinks and acts just like a Republican."

Now that's what I call a proper insult. Cruel.

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Drug test? You'd probably find prescription uppers in HRC's blood - finding the latter... that would be the challenge - and kool aid in Trump's.

I look more and more forward to her presidency as the output of her spin doctors will be prodigious. Bring it on!

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Rally numbers are just as irrelevant in the big picture as poll numbers are.

Everyday you are seeing the big picture with bogus polls and over hyped rallies. Charisma and energy win elections, not knowledge of the issues. Thats why Hillary rarely does press conferences and hides out 1 week before each debate. Bill and Barack have "it" she clearly does not.

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The whole drug testing thing is a complete no-go. If Trump released his tax returns, then he'd at least have a standing to mention drug tests. It would still be a non-issue, as it's not something you just spring up before the election simply because you're being obliterated in the polls. But as long as he hasn't released his tax-returns, something that every candidate has done for forty years, his 'request' shouldn't even be acknowledged by the Clinton campaign.

Because if he tried to bring it up in the debates, the response is easy: "where are your tax returns?". She wouldn't even have to address the drug test issue.

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"So, you no longer believe in the cracked nonsense put out by the paranoid religious lunatic you supported for president."

"I never said that."

Cracked nonsense it is then. The mind of a Republican is a thing of wonder.

The GOP clown car is screeching around in circles with Trump mooning out of the window and the Carson supporters are worried about Obama declaring martial law.

ROFL doesn't do it justice.

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Cracked nonsense it is then. The mind of a Republican is a thing of wonder.

At least they have a mind. LOL

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@turbostat

If that's true, why didn't the leaked tax returns include this fatal info?

What was leaked to the New York Times was sufficient to show what Trump himself had previously been unwilling to admit: that he isn't paying income tax. It didn't make him look good, it didn't make him look like a tax genius (just the opposite, in fact, because his tax lawyer of the time said that Trump had less interest in the details of what he was signing off on than his wife did: in other words, no attention span, and little knowledge of tax matters). What it did make him look like was a liar, a cheat, and far less of a successful businessman than he claims to be.

That information, once it became public knowledge, has done a lot of damage to his reputation in almost the only area where he could have once claimed some expertise. Taken alone, it could have been enough to kill his chances of being elected, and his chances of coming anywhere close to being elected. It's just that now people are consumed by the question of where he belongs on the groper/rapist spectrum, or whether he's clinically insane, we needn't spend too much time concerning ourselves with which of these things in particular is responsible for his demise as a candidate. Yes he'll make it to election day - which is good for democracy, because his defeat will then be indelibly recorded - but it doesn't mean his chances aren't already dead.

However, you're missing the point with your question, because it applies only to what was leaked. If you want an answer, you'd have to direct the question to the person who leaked it: what they had access to, how much they understood of what they saw, why they leaked the information in the first place.

A candidate who releases tax returns would be expected to release information covering many years. This leak only covered 1995. There's no way to know if it's the most damaging information or not, but even if it was, the public does (on the principle that all candidates release their tax returns as a matter of course, and that has been the case for forty years) have a right to demand Trump's records.

@bass4funk

You want to talk about Hillary's speeches or do you just want to ride Trump?

I'll just ride Trump. If he wanted to be elected, he should have run a better campaign. He ran an utterly shitty campaign, the worst ever seen, then blamed everyone else for its failure. It's always someone else's fault.

Hillary Clinton crapped on him in 2 debates. That's his fault for not preparing adequately and for being a useless and incoherent speaker. But his whole campaign has been this way, and he still lacks anything that looks like a serious or workable policy. So now here we are

He's history.

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What was leaked to the New York Times was sufficient to show what Trump himself had previously been unwilling to admit: that he isn't paying income tax. It didn't make him look good, it didn't make him look like a tax genius (just the opposite, in fact, because his tax lawyer of the time said that Trump had less interest in the details of what he was signing off on than his wife did: in other words, no attention span, and little knowledge of tax matters). What it did make him look like was a liar, a cheat, and far less of a successful businessman than he claims to be.

I think it was a squirrel - his own campaign released it, so that people would feel that the smoking gun had been found, when in fact it was a distraction to stop the people from finding what actually exists in his current tax returns.

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As if it needs proving that ANYONE who supports Trump is an outright lunatic, now you have morons being interviewed literally saying that either Trump wins or they will take over the White House with violence, some saying they may even try to get the states to break from the union. If Trump wins, it's fair, is their logic. If anyone else does, it's "rigged" and Hillary "needs to be thrown in jail or shot". Exact words from people claiming voting is rigged, who said they will go to polling stations and bully people they think "don't speak American", and all this coming from a party where even Pence has used police in Kentucky to stop certain minorities from voting (which is proven).

From a few fans:

'“I don’t think you’re going to see all of this group here arm themselves and mobilize, but, you know, we’re probably not too many years away from that if things keep going the way we’re going.”'

“If she’s in office, I hope we can start a coup. She should be in prison or shot. That’s how I feel about it,”

“I’ll look for . . . well, it’s called racial profiling. Mexicans. Syrians. People who can’t speak American,” he said. “I’m going to go right up behind them. I’ll do everything legally. I want to see if they are accountable. I’m not going to do anything illegal. I’m going to make them a little bit nervous.”

“If people are offended by the sexual stuff, what do they think is going to happen when Muslims come here, implement Sharia law, and start raping our women?”

“We can’t have that lying bitch in the White House.... If Hillary wins, it’s rigged.”

“All I know is our country is not going to be a country anymore,” she added. “I’ve heard people talk about a revolution. I’ve heard people talk about separation of states. I don’t even like to think about it. But I don’t think this movement is going away. We don’t have a voice anymore, and Donald Trump is giving us a voice.”

These are Trump's fans, and I know a number of posters on here have bought into the same violent rhetoric hook, line, and sinker. Some of these nutbags may even go on to commit violence; they will go to jail or die for Trump, who won't even do anything except maybe shrug if he hears about and collect more money.

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Why does anyone take this village idiot seriously?

A few reasons.

Establishment Republicans might despise the image Trump brings and his hijacking of the unwashed, but they know President Trump would rubber stamp a lot of their policies, so they simultaneously speak out against him while endorsing him. These are the "party before country" types.

There are the evangelicals who aren't voting for Trump per se but are voting to elect Republicans overall who will continue to carve out special privileges for their flock and enforce their beliefs onto others through government action. So again, its not about supporting Trump, it's about tolerating him until election day so you can line up for your rubber stamp. We'll call them the "religion before country" types.

We all know about the bigots. Not much need to explain that one. They actually like Trump and speak out for him. Same with the white supremicists who see themselves as getting a seat at the table if Trump is elected.

The conspiracy theorists support him because he legitimizes them on a level not seen before. To them, his taxes and sexual assaults are like rearranging the chairs on the Titanic. Who cares about that when the gubment is about to invade Texas? They are the paranoid.

The anti-Hillary bots turned out to be the big prize. Carefully grown by the GOP and right wing media, Trump swooped in and sold them a slicker product. Trump is focusing on this group now because they are the most rabid and give him a free pass on everything. He is trying to figure out how to monetize them after he loses the election and now is a great opportunity to test some things out.

If you take these groups together you can see how Trump could still be in the race. There not much reason for him to drop out since such a large group of people think they can get something from him and he thinks he can get something from them.

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Don't go changing Donald.... keep the ridiculous requests coming. It will only help Hillary.

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@SuperLib If you take these groups together you can see how Trump could still be in the race

I agree, but I'd add the gun industry and gun hobby extremists. They want even more powerful weapons and the right to open carry them anywhere they go.

I'd also add the resource extractors who want greater access to public lands. But I think Trump the property developer will get first crack at the best sites. He'll want to build Trump hotels and golf courses in the places with the best views.

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wipeout: If he wanted to be elected, he should have run a better campaign. He ran an utterly shitty campaign, the worst ever seen, then blamed everyone else for its failure. It's always someone else's fault.

Which is why he's going with the narrative about a rigged election. He didn't lose because he didn't learn or prepare or create a ground game, it was because of the media and bankers and globalist working secretly against him.

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Trump is high himself.

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The one thing I'm looking forward to, apart from the end of this election campaign, is reading the posts here the day after the result is announced.

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Hey, bass4funk, even though I'm a demo, I'd rather have Eisenhower.

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Chicago Cubs win first game of NL championship. Don't start sweating yet, Hillary dear. I hear there's a comet due in the next few weeks...

Harry_Gatto wrote: (sounds like a Brit to me) "The one thing I'm looking forward to, apart from the end of this election campaign, is reading the posts here the day after the result is announced." ... ... Harry, you know the result already and you can easily predict the posts. I'm just worried they'll continue for the next 4 years.

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With just over three weeks to go, Trump knows he's going to lose big so he's already building up his collection of excuses. If it were a business deal, he would have pulled out long ago (quit while you're behind), but he can't quit now so it's just going to get more embarrassing for him, his family, and the GOP. He managed to BS his way in business and that will work with some people who are a few sandwiches short of a picnic. Luckily there are enough people who can see through all his bluster and BS. The smarter Republicans like Lindsey Graham and Mitch McConnell saw this coming months ago. Anyway, let Hillary continue the good things Obama's has done and then in 2024 hopefully an independent who is an inspiring, passionate, motivator may well win.

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In any case, if Clinton agreed to a drug test and passed, Trump would then just refuse to have one himself, saying, "I'll address it after the election", and, "My doctor knows (sniff sniff), and I don't need to make the records public. You media and your smear campaign!"

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I'm going to enjoy my seventy-fourth birthdate, as well as my forty-first Thanksgiving in the USA. Unfortunately, I have been also forced to witness one of the ugliest election seasons. Although my home state is Wisconsin--a Democrat state--I've been in Texas, a Republican state, for decades. As a result, I often consider myself as an independent, supporting and voting on the bases of the candidates' talent and patriotism. As a student in comparative world history and international laws, I strongly supported President Bush in his anti-terrorism, including though not limited to the Iraq war--an unavoidable consequence of the Sept 11 Infamy. Since Bush didn't want to nuke them, other forms of anti-terrorist technics should be employed, including the military methods of preliminary interrogations of the POWs..Trump is a sick man, an evil soul. Some preventive measure should be carried out in the third and final debate, because there is the probability that the frustrated Trump will become violent. This is a special case. I still believe that the US constitutional democracy is a model for the world.

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"She's the only Liberal I know that thinks and acts just like a Republican."

"Now that's what I call a proper insult. Cruel"

Har! But you don't refute it.

"ANYONE who supports Trump is an outright lunatic"

Or, anyone who supports Clinton at this point is blind to all her lying and scandals.

This is informative. JT Hillary supporters might learn something if they watch this:

"Judge Jeanine: Hillary Is DANGEROUS! WAKE UP! (FULL SHOW 10/15/2016) " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWR5rxpA2Uc

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Bill Murphy, Haha! Well said on all points.

Btw, the Hillary fans are bending over backwards to find excuses for hillary not too be subject to a drug test. I wonder why?? Open secret she's shot full of more uppers and stimulants to keep her on her feet and lucid than Adolf in the last days of der Reich!

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This is informative:

"WIKILEAKS 8 EMAILS: Hillary Clinton's Wall Street Speech Transcripts. HRC Insults Environmentalists" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AznYwbBQnh0

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"She's the only Liberal I know that thinks and acts just like a Republican."

"Now that's what I call a proper insult. Cruel"

"Har! But you don't refute it"

She's certainly too close to the bankers and a bit too fond of bombing the living daylights out of people but I don't remember her denying climate change, denying evolution, gibbering about grain in the pyramids or undergoing exorcisms.

As I said, putting her in the same category as the roaring lunatics in the GOP is cruel.

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Btw, the Hillary fans are bending over backwards to find excuses for hillary not too be subject to a drug test.

The best excuse is that it has never been an issue in any previous campaign - in other words, candidates aren't normally expected to submit to a drug test - and it hasn't been an issue in this campaign until Trump brought it up about a day ago. In fact, it's still not an issue.

He should release his tax returns and both candidates are good to go. Birth certificates and drug tests are not standard requirements in the electoral process.

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I still have unpleasant memory of George Bush jnr won Al Gore the election with high court decision. Election is democratic rule which favored for majority of votes. Al Gore won more primary votes however he still lose the election because of George Bush favored judges. To be honest, powerful elite make the outcome of the election. Not the ordinary people. Nixon did not believe John F Kennedy won the election. However he did not want to be seen as sore loser and moved on.

Unlike other election, that one has character assassination against Trump. Before the contest, winner has been prevailed by biased media. Trump has rights to be angry, frustrated and resentful. He is not Al Gore or Richard Nixon therefore if he does not want to accept the unfair outcome, he can request the judges for intervention. If Judges said, Trump win the election, Trump will become another George Bush Jnr. Hilary supporters have to move on.

It is also true for other way around. It does not look good however there is no alternative.

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Don the Con is scraping the bottom of the barrel. Oh well, when they go low, we go high ! GO HILLARY ! ! ! 1/20/17 - "Madame President" !

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She's certainly too close to the bankers and a bit too fond of bombing the living daylights out of people but I don't remember her denying climate change, denying evolution, gibbering about grain in the pyramids or undergoing exorcisms.

The amazing part of your reasoning is that the first two you mention are acceptable but red lines are drawn denying climate change, etc. I'm sure those dead Syrian, Libyan and Yemeni families can at least rest in peace knowing Hillary believes in climate change.

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"The amazing part of your reasoning is that the first two you mention are acceptable but red lines are drawn denying climate change, etc. I'm sure those dead Syrian, Libyan and Yemeni families can at least rest in peace knowing Hillary believes in climate change."

I didn't say they were acceptable. I was pointing out her commonalities with Republicans.

The nutcase anti-science/conspiracy theories/barking mad religiosity that I pointed out are what she doesn't share with Republicans.

I thought the expression "bombing the living daylights out of people" hinted at my dislike of bombing the living daylights out of people.

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Serrano

Rather than just posting links that nobody bothers to check all the time, how about putting things into your own words?

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I didn't say they were acceptable

But a vote for Hillary says exactly that. Wouldn't you agree?

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This is just beyond stupid. Would the people parroting Trump's newfound commitment to ridding political debates of the scourge of performance enhancing drugs please explain to me what PEDs are in the context of a debate? I get that steroids make athletes hit baseballs farther, etc, but a debate is just two people talking to each other. What drugs are out there which make people sound smarter when they talk? Obviously whatever they are Trump isn't taking them, but I am genuinely interested in what drugs politicians are using in debates to make them better at talking.

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This man, (and I use that term carefully) is beneath the office of POTUS. He is making a travesty of our electoral process, along with perhaps damaging his own "brand". The world is sitting back and enjoying the "show" belittling our country which is a beacon of freedom and democracy to the rest of the world. His "below the belt" (in more ways that just one) campaign has become dark, divisive and even dangerous. The race has become about right and wrong, not the issues. Let's make history on Nov. 8th, and elect the first female POTUS. For America. GO HILLARY ! ! ! 1/20/17 - "Madame President" !

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"But a vote for Hillary says exactly that. Wouldn't you agree?"

A vote for Clinton is a vote for a continuation of warmongering. A vote for a bad-tempered manchild like Trump ( remember his insane reaction to the bird-flipping incident ) with a military he wants to expand, is Russian roulette.

It would be great to see a knowledgeable, balanced person running who could provide a departure. Trump is clearly not that.

Also, climate change is a real issue already affecting millions. It wasn't a lie concocted by the Chinese despite what this clown was spouting to his whoopers. Surely you're not in the denial camp on this one?

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Thanks for the honest answer Jizmo.

Well you could be right about Trump, you could be just as wrong. The "canidate" Trump is a lot different, from what I've seen, than the businessman Trump.

No, I'm not a "denier". I've seen the brown skies over LA 25 years ago, hard to conclude that that crap is not going to have some terrible effects sooner or later. I've never really looked at it close enough to form an opinion yet, I need to understand the science first, slowly but surely. however, it seems to me the worst way to roll back our consumer societies causing the "alleged" climate change is to elect a corporate globalist Petrodollar tool.

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I'll just ride Trump. If he wanted to be elected, he should have run a better campaign.

Of course all of the focus had to be on him, makes perfect sense, I mean, with Hillary's negatives and lack of policy discussions and a high unfavorable poll, attacking Trump is just the diversion she needs.

He ran an utterly shitty campaign, the worst ever seen, then blamed everyone else for its failure. It's always someone else's fault.

Yes, he did and from the Wikileaks, the Hillary camp lied and is cheating their way to get into the WH. dirty, dirty, dirty....

Hillary Clinton crapped on him in 2 debates.

Actually, one, but please continue...

That's his fault for not preparing adequately and for being a useless and incoherent speaker. But his whole campaign has been this way, and he still lacks anything that looks like a serious or workable policy. So now here we are

And what happened at the second debate? The Dems though it would be good to show a tape that was recorded back in 2005 and kept it and then it just so happened to become the big news right before the campaign. Again, you can believe any kind of Peter Pan fairytale you like, everyone knows what's going on and finally, the Wikileaks confirm how dirty these Dems are.

As if it needs proving that ANYONE who supports Trump is an outright lunatic, now you have morons being interviewed literally saying that either Trump wins or they will take over the White House with violence, some saying they may even try to get the states to break from the union. If Trump wins, it's fair, is their logic.

A lot of people prefer a lunatic over a habitual liar. A lunatic you give meds and counseling to heal them, sadly there is NO cure for a chronic liar-she's beyond redemption.

If anyone else does, it's "rigged" and Hillary "needs to be thrown in jail or shot". Exact words from people claiming voting is rigged, who said they will go to polling stations and bully people they think "don't speak American", and all this coming from a party where even Pence has used police in Kentucky to stop certain minorities from voting (which is proven).

Thrown in prison would be more appropriate term I would use.

'“I don’t think you’re going to see all of this group here arm themselves and mobilize, but, you know, we’re probably not too many years away from that if things keep going the way we’re going.”'

“If she’s in office, I hope we can start a coup. She should be in prison or shot. That’s how I feel about it,”

“If people are offended by the sexual stuff, what do they think is going to happen when Muslims come here, implement Sharia law, and start raping our women?”

“We can’t have that lying bitch in the White House.... If Hillary wins, it’s rigged.”

That could all be true, wouldn't put it past a lot of people.

“All I know is our country is not going to be a country anymore,” she added. “I’ve heard people talk about a revolution. I’ve heard people talk about separation of states. I don’t even like to think about it. But I don’t think this movement is going away. We don’t have a voice anymore, and Donald Trump is giving us a voice.”

Pretty much at least he started the ball rolling about dismantling the corrupt Washington elite mafia.

These are Trump's fans, and I know a number of posters on here have bought into the same violent rhetoric hook, line, and sinker. Some of these nutbags may even go on to commit violence; they will go to jail or die for Trump, who won't even do anything except maybe shrug if he hears about and collect more money.

That would amount to about 95 million deplorables

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"That would amount to about 95 million deplorables"

No, it wouldn't. You were commenting on a post giving examples.

If you look at Clinton's quote, she described half of Trump's voters as deplorables. A quick check showed that the US electorate stands at around 220 million. Around half of these people can't be arsed voting. That leaves around 110 million. Less than half of these people are Trump voters - let's say 50 million. That leaves about 25 million deplorables.

I think Clinton made a very flattering statement. Only 25 million deplorables out of a population of over 300 million isn't too shabby.

A fine country which I had the pleasure of living in.

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This is informative. JT Hillary supporters might learn something if they watch this:

It's cute that you think anyone ever watches the youtube videos you think are 'interesting'.

the Hillary fans are bending over backwards to find excuses for hillary not too be subject to a drug test.

Taking a drug test is playing into Trump's narrative. But as Trump has never released his tax returns, there is absolutely no reason to give his narrative any credence whatsoever.

If wants to even bring his narrative to something that should be discussed, he needs to first release his tax returns. After that we can discuss the idea of taking a drug test.

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kurobune: "1/20/17 - "Madame President" !"

Nah. However... 1/20/21 -Madame President! ( Ivanka, after 4 years of Donald )

This is short but sweet:

"Nigel Farage ends Hillary Clinton" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdFw3p0O8Ds

And, oh my, even super liberal Jill Stein says Hillary is more dangerous than Trump:

"C-SPAN: Jill Stein "Donald Trump Is Better" "Hillary More Likely To Start Nuclear War" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUTYvma4VWo

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"Nigel Farage ends Hillary Clinton"

You do realise that Farage's party was described by the ex-leader of the UK Conservative Party, I repeat, Conservative Party, as fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists.

At least some Trump supporters are not closet racists - they are full-on, balls-out racists.

Honesty is a good thing.

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Jimizo... You do realize that Brexit won?

Hillary must be really pissed that couldn't get Julian Assange droned.

I accidentally broke a window at my house. My mom blamed me. I told her Russia did it, everything is now ok.

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Of course it would.

If you look at Clinton's quote, she described half of Trump's voters as deplorables. A quick check showed that the US electorate stands at around 220 million.

Sorry, but after what's been pouring out of Wikileaks, I have one thing to say, "save it."

I think Clinton made a very flattering statement. Only 25 million deplorables out of a population of over 300 million isn't too shabby.

Especially if it's coming from her or her camp.

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I haven't been paying too much attention to Wikileaks. Can someone summarize the releases for me? It didn't look like there was much meat on the bone.

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Thanks for the link, Serrano. In case any of the above don't think it's worth watching then when HRC wins be prepared to bend over and kiss your sweet ass good-bye. ... ... Then again, maybe Jill Stein was put up to this and it's only a Republican scare tactic that's reminiscent of LBJ's Girl With Daisy And Atomic Bomb Explosion 1964 (http://youtu.be/fbIfVEboAzg) campaign ad . That ad's purpose was to convince voters that Barry Goldwater, the Republican candidate, called a dangerous, war-mongering lunatic at the time (sound familiar?) would start a nuclear war while President Johnson said that we had to learn to love each other (sound familiar?). BTW, LBJ authorized Operation Rolling Thunder (the years long bombing campaign against North Vietnam) on March 2, 1965 - about 90 after his November 3, 1964 victory and about 40 days after his inauguration. ... ... It seems HRC's staffers have identified the group that they hope will put her in the WH - that is, the women of America - and so will continue the story of Dirty Old Man Trump - apparently more appealing than dangerous, war-mongering lunatic Trump - until Election Day. Let's hope Dr. Jill Stein is just another silly old woman.

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I haven't been paying too much attention to Wikileaks. Can someone summarize the releases for me? It didn't look like there was much meat on the bone.

Hmmm....probably because liberals and Dems are quite comfortable and content with having a liar and a criminal as president. But as they say, birds of a feather.....

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bass4funkOCT. 16, 2016 - 09:53PM JST

Of course all of the focus had to be on him, makes perfect sense, I mean, with Hillary's negatives and lack of policy discussions and a high unfavorable poll, attacking Trump is just the diversion she needs.

Negatives... lack of policy discussions... high unfavourable poll... sorry, are you sure you're just talking about Hillary Clinton?

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@Serrano

Oh, yes, I do know about the Brexit. UKIP is mostly made up of deplorables. The main difference here is that many people arguing for the Brexit were actually intelligent, thoughtful people offering practical reasons. Farage had his army of nutters but many people who voted Brexit found him repulsive. He couldn't even win a seat in the House of Commons.

Trump's one man, fart-igniting act repels many decent people - as it should.

Comparisons with Brexit are way off the mark.

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"Birds of a feather . . . . ." . Oh, ok. Now I know why HRC used the term "deplorable".

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Negatives... lack of policy discussions... high unfavourable poll... sorry, are you sure you're just talking about Hillary Clinton?

No, but I would rather take a loudmouth man that at least HAS created something over a woman that HAS weaved and dodged her way through her political life.

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Bass, why not switch your vote to Clinton? You hated Trump before and you flip flopped, the same can't happen with her?

She destroys Republicans, something you like to see. She's amassed billions which shows how her business acumen is far superior to Trump's. She beat Sanders, a man you described as a Bolshevik. Her policies include some center-right principals. Heck, some posters here think she will start a wider war in Syria, something you support.

I know you still haven't decided to vote for Trump, so what would it take to tilt you towards Clinton?

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liberals and Dems are quite comfortable and content with having a liar and a criminal as president

We're not, which are a couple of the many reaons why we don't want Trump as president.

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bass4funk: "No, but I would rather take a loudmouth man that at least HAS created something over a woman..."

Yup, he's created something over a woman alright -- over at least nine so far that have come forward, in fact. And he's not just a 'loudmouth' (and I notice you threw in 'man', not just 'person'), he's a racist, a misogynist, an sexual predator and abuser, likely a druggie, a perpetual liar, a braggart, a military dodger, a tax dodger, mentally insane, and a bigot in pretty much every other way besides.

Oh, and before you deflect, remember that Bill Clinton's not running, and there are no real time machines.

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but I would rather take a loudmouth man that at least HAS created something

The thing he's created far more than anything else are scams and suckers -- and there's plenty of living proof on these boards of the latter.

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Jimizo: At least some Trump supporters are not closet racists - they are full-on, balls-out racists.

smithinjapan: And he's not just a 'loudmouth' (and I notice you threw in 'man', not just 'person'), he's a racist, ...

Yeah, Barack and MIchelle Obama attended racist Jeremiah Wright's racist church and sat through 20 years of his racist sermons and didn't disavow the racist pastor Wright until he was caught out, but Trump's the racist.

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Rally numbers are just as irrelevant in the big picture as poll numbers are.

No question the polls are being cooked for a reason. 50 people to 20,000 is not irrelevant. I have driven around a lot of northern Indiana, southern Michigan and western Ohio this week. Hundreds of Trump/Pence signs, not one for Hillary. Makes you wonder after a while. This week’s polls’ internals...

WaPo D+8 Fox D+9 NBC D+12 Reuters D+15 NBC/WSJ Poll D+18.9

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AP/ Jill Colvin. Trump questions legitimacy of election ... Not even the country’s more than two centuries of peaceful transitions of political leadership were sacrosanct as Trump accused the media and the Clinton campaign of conspiring against him to undermine a free and fair election. ... In a country with a history of peaceful political transition, his challenge to the election’s legitimacy — as a way to explain a loss in November, should that happen — was a striking rupture of faith in American democracy. Trump has repeatedly claimed without offering evidence that election fraud is a serious problem ...

We're supposed to believe there's no voter fraud.

"No voter fraud" is a common meme repeated in the media and in this AP opinion piece.

But there's lots of evidence of fraud.

And "no voter fraud" is not what Hillary's campaign says among themselves! Hillary's campaign chairman Podesta, in leaked email:

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/15/wikileaks-john-podesta-believed-obama-forces-committed-voter-fraud/

"High importance. I met with Jim and Mike in Denver. They are both old friends of the Clintons and have lots of experience. Mike hosted our Boulder Road Show event. They are reliving the 08 caucuses where they believe the Obama forces flooded the caucuses with ineligible voters. They want to organize lawyers for caucus protection, election protection and to raise hard $."

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The rigging he is talking about is more at the level of media coverage, although it goes without saying that voters need to monitor polling stations as they should every election.

Gingrich: 20 Media Executives Are Launching A "Coup D'Etat" Against Millions Of Trump Voters

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/10/16/gingrich_20_media_executives_are_launching_a_coup_detat_against_millions_of_trump_voters.html

"This is about last Friday when the networks spent 23 minutes on the Trump tape," he said. "And less than one minute -- all three networks combined -- less than one minute on the Hillary Clinton’s secret speeches that were being revealed on WikiLeaks."

"I think it’s amazing that Trump is as close as he is right now, considering the one-sidedness of the news media barrage," Gingrich said.

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its not even close trump is leading 30 to 1 against clinton. the polls are rigged in prep for the coming election fraud.

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"I think it’s amazing that Trump is as close as he is right now, considering the one-sidedness of the news media barrage," Gingrich said.

Sounds like Gingrich is bitter that the left-leaning media is playing the Fox "News" game.

its not even close trump is leading 30 to 1 against clinton.

While I still think Trump could win, this number is about as ridiculous as anything ever written anywhere.

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bass4funkOCT. 17, 2016 - 12:33AM JST

No, but I would rather take a loudmouth man that at least HAS created something over a woman that HAS weaved and dodged her way through her political life.

Interesting that you felt the need to add "man" and "woman" there, you could have left out "man" and said "someone" instead of "woman". We shouldn't read anything into that, should we?

But quite honestly, when I look at what Trump has created I'm really not very impressed. I think he's a terrible businessman who would make an even worse president.

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So many people talking about the News barrage being one sided.... it must feel that way to a Trump sympathizer but think! What does the Press have on Hillary... Health, Husband, Benghazi and eMails. All of which, except for Health, are pretty old news. Now Donny boy.... he hasn't been vetted for the last 25 years like Hillary. He's new and fair game... and... its like prospecting for gold before the rush... there are large nuggets sitting around in plain sight... heck he's even manufacturing some nuggets himself. Hillary is a seasoned politician... Donald, well I wouldn't call him an uncut Diamond... that would be an insult to Diamonds but lets say Zirconium.

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why not switch your vote to Clinton?

Because I'm not a lemming. Democrats and liberals don't have a conscious, I do.

You hated Trump before and you flip flopped, the same can't happen with her?

What did I just say?

She destroys Republicans, something you like to see. She's amassed billions which shows how her business acumen is far superior to Trump's.

My father always taught me honest people don't have to cheat people and lie to people making a buck. Now we know why Hillary was hiding all this stuff.

She beat Sanders, a man you described as a Bolshevik. Her policies include some center-right principals. Heck, some posters here think she will start a wider war in Syria, something you support.

I don't support any war unless it's absolutely necessary, that's another reason why I wanted Trump. But to the rest of your rant, you are correct. But since you guys are so comfortable wanting to live under the first female criminal president and having a this criminal and a liar run the country, fine. I wouldn't expect anything else from liberals.

I know you still haven't decided to vote for Trump, so what would it take to tilt you towards Clinton?

Jumping off the Grand Canyon, head first while swallowing a bucket of liquid radioactive waste.

Yup, he's created something over a woman alright -- over at least nine so far that have come forward, in fact. And he's not just a 'loudmouth' (and I notice you threw in 'man', not just 'person'), he's a racist, a misogynist, an sexual predator and abuser, likely a druggie, a perpetual liar, a braggart, a military dodger, a tax dodger, mentally insane, and a bigot in pretty much every other way besides.

So then, not so much different from Bill Clinton, a guess two peas in a pod.

Oh, and before you deflect, remember that Bill Clinton's not running, and there are no real time machines.

No, but if you guys can go in the partisan time machine, we can as well. It's all good and it's all relevant. Enjoy.

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This coming from a guy who might actually be a Russian spy and who's Eastern Bloc wife happily steals from American icons.. Trump is an enemy and is deliberately damaging America. Has such treason ever been conducted so publicly before?

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@strangerland,

If wants to even bring his narrative to something that should be discussed, he needs to first release his tax returns. After that we can discuss the idea of taking a drug test

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Huh??

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bass4funk: Because I'm not a lemming. Democrats and liberals don't have a conscious, I do.

Well just keep an open mind. You called Trump supporters "fringe" in the past and now you're his #1 fan. It's not too late to jump ship again.

But since you guys are so comfortable wanting to live under the first female criminal president and having a this criminal and a liar run the country, fine. I wouldn't expect anything else from liberals.

You don't have to agree with everything we say or do. Just vote for Clinton and we'll do the rest. Imagine what she can do to establishment Republicans. Adios, amigos.

Jumping off the Grand Canyon, head first while swallowing a bucket of liquid radioactive waste.

Does the weekend of November 11 work for you?

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Well just keep an open mind. You called Trump supporters "fringe" in the past and now you're his #1 fan. It's not too late to jump ship again.

You mean, like the guy in the Titanic how as the ship was sinking tried to be sneaky and climb aboard the lifeboat inconspicuously that was for the women and children in the hopes that his cowardly a** wouldn't be caught in order to save his life?

Sorry, I'm not a liberal.

You don't have to agree with everything we say or do. Just vote for Clinton and we'll do the rest. Imagine what she can do to establishment Republicans. Adios, amigos.

Naw, dude, I'm more concerned as to how she'll screw over the country like she did other countries. But again, the ONLY thing liberals care about is the Climate, and staying in power. More like Adios America as the musicians play on as the Titanic sinks.

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the ONLY thing liberals care about is the Climate, and staying in power.

And equal rights for the people, and getting people out of poverty, and ensuring people can afford to feed their families, and ensuring that they can get healthy care, and a whole whack of other things.

Personally, I could care less about whether or not the democrats stay in power, if there is a viable alternative. But there isn't. Trump would be the worst president ever, Johnson doesn't even understand how government works, and Stein is a one-issue pony. Hillary has her faults, but someone needs to run the country, and she's the best option by far.

This race is the perfect example of the problem with 2-term maximum. Obama would be better than any of them, and he's just getting rolling. Crazy to decide arbitrarily that he needs to be cut off, when the options are so lacking.

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