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The first duty of Republicans is to ensure the wealth maintenance of the .01 - 1%. Here's another example of them doing just that. Like Russia, Turkey, China and other oligarchies, the US has become a one-party state. But those Trump supporters who'll soon be losing their medical insurance can be solaced knowing they'll still be able to shoot their guns.

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Republicans remain a blight on the USA

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They plan to vote for a bill that no one has read and the CBO has not rated. What happened to their rule we get 72 hours to read any bill?

One in five Americans has a preexisting condition. This bill takes a huge amount of security out of people's lives, and they'll be thinking of that next election.

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Here's hoping the Senate isn't so foolish.

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This is the problem when partisan politics rule, it doesn't matter if there was any good sense, reason or parts to keep, simply the message is, last guy was bad so lets undo it all, even if we don't have anything to replace it.

I genuinely hope the people who end up losing out look back and want to consider what voting for extreme changes in government direction mean for the common person.

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They plan to vote for a bill that no one has read and the CBO has not rated. What happened to their rule we get 72 hours to read any bill? 

No one read Obamacare and the main thing is to pass it, that's another huge victory for Trump, now it has to pass through the Senate and that won't be easy, but since it now passed, they can go back and forth and morph the bill, tailor it until all sides come to some middle point. Not everyone is going to be happy, but that's the price you pay when you get government involved into the healthcare system. Something is better than nothing and the main thing in all of this is to bring the premiums down and if that can happen, everyone benifits from it in the long term.

One in five Americans has a preexisting condition. This bill takes a huge amount of security out of people's lives, and they'll be thinking of that next election.

Of course! It costs a lot more to take care of people with them if you cover them, I'm not quibbling about that, can't let those people suffer, but you have to pay for it somehow and as I said, this is the trade-off. Some people will not be happy, but at the same time, these people will be covered.

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They plan to vote for a bill that no one has read and the CBO has not rated. What happened to their rule we get 72 hours to read any bill?

Remember Pelosi stating "We need to pass this to see what's in it?" Remember Obama promising, but not delivering, to go over the bill "line by line" on C-Span?

The unique problem in America, which democrats never discuss, is where do the illegal aliens fit into the healthcare equation? America has more illegals than many countries have citizens.

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A "healthcare" bill that that's only about removing healthcare from the people who need it the most.  Do we laugh or cry?

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"People are suffering so badly with the ravages of Obamacare," Trump said.

I think he may have made an extended pit stop in Colorado.

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I think he may have made an extended pit stop in Colorado.

Disagree. He can't use the 'I was high/drunk' excuse. His inability to reason and articulate a thought beyond 7 word phrases comes naturally. And aside from the scripts his handlers have him read from the telelprompter, it's definitely not getting better as he slips further along on the dotage slope.

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Whichever politician - my bet a Republican - chose to call this "health care" rather than "health insurance" must be in therapy now.

"Health care" is just that: you need the care, you get. "Health insurance" quite reasonably excludes pre-existing conditions and resolution of that issue is one of the problems the bill faces in the Senate.

I've never tried to use Kokumin HOKEN (Japanese national health INSURANCE) for a pre-existing health condition. Any readers know about this?

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The final bill needs to rein in the lawyers and enact tort reform. Absurdly expensive suits and defensive medicine are parts of the real problem. 

And yes, until the pre-existing conditions are no longer called health insurance it will be difficult to solve the problems. They have to be treated as a separate entity. Put as many of those people in a government funded pool, thereby removing them from the insurance pools. They need help paying their bills not help with health insurance. That will cost money buy not near as much as having them figured in the insurance pools and driving cost for everyone thru the roof. (that is what Obamacare did).

I would rather pay $200 to $300 additional a year in taxes if necessary as opposed to having my premiums go up $400 to $500 a month. 

I understand it is an entitlement but there is no other solution that is realistic or feasible.

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Congrats on the win, GOP. Tens of millions being thrown off insurance with the majority of cash savings going to the wealthy.

Dont worry. Your base will repeat whatever ideological catchphrases you toss their way.

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Ironically, many of the people who voted for Trump (and are ignorant that they are beneficiaries of Obamacare) are going to be angry with the Donald should the Senate pass this thing.

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It's the kind of thing that could turn into a major vote against the Republicans in the midterm elections.

But the damage will be done by then.

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Bill, I'm not sure you understand what a "pre-existing condition" is. I'll give you an example. My 20-year old daughter has had asthma since birth. Under the Japanese system, she's receives insurance at the same rate as anyone else. Under Trumpcare, it's estimated that average rates for those with asthma will rise by - and this is by, not to - $2,000 yearly - if you're fortunate enough to get coverage at all.

Kabuki, I understand the distinction you're trying to make, but from a practical point of view, it makes no sense. Administration costs from the arcane American insurance system already eat up far more than anything that could be gained by tort reform.

Pelosi stated it right: This is in no way a healthcare bill; it is a tax bill designed to reduce baseline expenditures so that the GOP can lower taxes on the rich. I almost hope they get away with it just to see how people react.

Anyway, this is certainly not a good time to be a GOP senator. They were likely the ones most hoping the bill would die in the House, even more so than the Dems. How this now proceeds will be fun to watch.

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LagunaToday  12:25 pm JST

How this now proceeds will be fun to watch.

Fun for JT posters safe from this lunacy in Japan (or Russia even for that matter.) For the millions of Americans for whom this could be a life or death matter, it's not so fun. I mean spousal abuse is a "pre-existing condition" under this bill, for crying out loud!

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I just watched a series of clips from 2008 showing Paul Ryan directly condemning the exact things the Republicans just did. Obamacare went through multiple hearings, and took over a year to come into law. This new bill didn't even exist a couple of weeks ago, and no one has actually read it. Here are Ryan's quotes from over the past few years:

I don't think we should pass bills that we haven't read, and don't know how much they cost.

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If you rush this thing through before anybody even knows what it is, that's not good democracy, that's not doing our work for our constituents.

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Speaker Pelosi is trying to jam her bill through as fast as possible

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I think this is less about health care policy and more about idelogy

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This is not bipartisan, for bipartisanship to work, the majority has to be willing to collaborate with the minority. That has not occurred.

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We are out here creating a legislative Trojan horse, in which a handful of people, hidden from public view, will reshape how all Americans will receive and pay for their healthcare

His party literally just did exactly what he was condemning. I don't think there is a more extreme example of hypocrisy out there.

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 I don't think there is a more extreme example of hypocrisy out there.

The R's and their supporters have been consistent in their ability to flip-flop. To the turnabout on health legislation add turnabouts re conflicts of interest, nepotism, connections with foreign powers, looking out for The Party and not the country, pandering to globalists, big energy, and Wall Street, money and time spent playing golf, warmongering, among others. Waiting to read the usual defense: to flip-flop is to evolve. Or Hillary would have been worse. Or whataboutobamalibs.

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Great job 'Merka! You've gone from one of the worst health systems in the world to probably THE worst! Hell, even half the people who voted 'yes' don't like it but just wanted to see SOMETHING pass, saying, "Well work on fixing it later". I hope to god the people are watching and vote out all those who said "yes" in the next local elections, because I can tell you the Town Hall meetings that were a disaster for Republicans BEFORE this vote are going to be an even bigger nightmare for them now -- if they bother to show (they might just run away and quit like Chaffitz). It'll be funny to watch them defend this.

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This story wasn't even the headline on FoxNews.com today. It was reported as a minor story. You have to think that after this long fight they don't want their base to know what they just passed.

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Almost hope it passes the Senate to hang that albatross round their necks going into midterms. Hmm... sucks sometimes to have a moral compass.

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Mere minutes after Republicans in the U.S. House of Representatives voted to repeal Obamacare:

Trump to Australia's PM: "You have better health care than we do."

(Australia has universal health care.)

"Thank you Mr. Trump for admitting that universal health care is the better way to go. I'll be sure to quote you on the floor of the Senate." -- Bernie Sanders

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If you asked Trump what what's in the new healthcare bill, I can't imagine he'd be able to answer. That's not really what he does.

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Congrats on the win, GOP. Tens of millions being thrown off insurance with the majority of cash savings going to the wealthy.

What are you talking about, the main reason for the Democrats losing besides Hillary being a bad candidate with zero economic message was Obamacare. Millions of people had to cancel their health care policies because of it. It's just astounding that the left has to gripe about anything, they were the ones that implemented and took us down the road in the first place!

This is the first step to getting Obamacare replaced and if it can drive costs down, better! With the extra money that can go towards infrastructure which the Dems love anyway and Schumer would be eager to sign onto in the long run and that translates into union jobs, so once it gets to the Senate and gets gutted and morphed into a better and more affordable system, that would be good for everyone.

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once it gets to the Senate and gets gutted and morphed into a better and more affordable system, that would be good for everyone.

Medicare for all?

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What are you talking about, the main reason for the Democrats losing besides Hillary being a bad candidate with zero economic message was Obamacare. Millions of people had to cancel their health care policies because of it. It's just astounding that the left has to gripe about anything, they were the ones that implemented and took us down the road in the first place!

Nope. They one the popular vote, so Republicans don't get to talk about Trump winning the election as some sort of tacit support for this asinine legislation. Millions of people had to cancel their policies because private healthcare is expensive and doesn't work. We could very easily have public healthcare like most other modern countries, except for socialism. The GOP base has a very infantile understanding of socialism, and the GOP is more than happy to exploit that to pilfer people's money and transfer it to health insurance companies.

Now, why are you surprised that Democrats are mad? People are angry. Nearly every relevant lobby has come against this bill. These groups include: AARP, AMA, AHA, American Cancer Society, American Healthcare Association, America's Hospitals and Health Systems, AFL-CIO, AFSCME, Catholic Health Association of the United States, American Federation of Teachers, NEA, Cystic Fibrosis Foundation, Familes USA, and Children's Defense Fund are just a few of the dozens of groups opposing the dumpster fire of a bill.

So, Bass, that's why liberals "gripe." They actually tried to do something to help folks who could not otherwise afford healthcare. Now, what does this bill do? It leaves it up to states to decide on pre-existing conditions. So poor folks and unhealthy folks will now again be without access to affordable healthcare.

This is the first step to getting Obamacare replaced and if it can drive costs down, better! With the extra money that can go towards infrastructure which the Dems love anyway and Schumer would be eager to sign onto in the long run and that translates into union jobs

Explain how exactly it will drive down the costs? Are there any price controls on healthcare/medicine? Nope. But, they could, of course, drive costs down kicking people off their insurance. Any GOP politician who says otherwise is either lying or has no clue how insurance works.

There is no way this money will go to infrastructure. This is all so the GOP can give a nice fat tax break to rich folks.

Tell me, if this plan was so good, why did Republicans exempt themselves from it? Why is that literally written into the legislation?

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Millions of people had to cancel their policies because private healthcare is expensive and doesn't work. 

What a bunch of garbage, I had a great policy for over 25 years through Kaiser and was one of the best and never had any problems with it until Gruber and Emanuel decided to take over the entire industry and as greedy as they were, the main reason pretty much was to how to get to the Cadilac tax. The second reason, if the Dems wanted to fix the 20 million that didn’t have health insurance, I and probably most people would have never objected to that, but as usual, the Dems can’t help themselves, there isn’t a tax that goes by them unnoticed, EVER.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2016/11/28/trump-will-repeal-obamacare-40-cadillac-tax-other-taxes-too/#3cc06fe9318f

The Cadillac tax is 40% on top of all other federal taxes. Obamacare was passed in 2010, but the Cadillac tax was deferred until 2018. The clever delayed effective date made it easier for Americans to swallow. Later, Congress rolled it back two more years, to 2020. That delayed--and delayed again--effective date de-emphasized its importance. It was **supposed to target overly generous employer-provided health care plans, but that does not mean just CEOs.**

Unions often negotiate for rich benefits, but may now wish they hadn’t. The Cadillac tax puts pressure on employers to offer less-generous health insurance plans. In evaluating the thresholds, both employer and worker contributions are included. The tax applies to every dollar above those thresholds. Like a cliff, the dollars are taxed at a 40% rate, and the tax is not even tax deductible by the employer. The Cadillac tax was supposed to put direct pressure on employers to offer less-generous health insurance plans.

We could very easily have public healthcare like most other modern countries, except for socialism. 

We could, you are right if we get rid of the military that could happen like in Danmark and many other European countries with much smaller populations.

The GOP base has a very infantile understanding of socialism, and the GOP is more than happy to exploit that to pilfer people's money and transfer it to health insurance companies. 

Then that means, the Democrats equally don’t have an understanding of mathematics, economics, and capitalism in that regard.

Now, why are you surprised that Democrats are mad? People are angry. Nearly every relevant lobby has come against this bill. 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-03/obamacare-implosion-iowa-wont-have-healthcare-access-2018-last-major-provider-pulls-

For the past several months we've observed in complete amazement as Democrats have repeatedly hailed the 'great accomplishments' of Obamacare while the system was literally, and quite tangibly, collapsing in epic fashion all around them. The ability to blindly and shamelessly support a partisan cause irrespective of overwhelming facts proving the ineffectiveness of that cause is truly a talent reserved only for politicians, on both sides of the aisle. 

Aetna, United Healthcare two of the biggest insurers because they are bleeding money at the tune of $640 million

So, Bass, that's why liberals "gripe." They actually tried to do something to help folks who could not otherwise afford healthcare. 

If they really and truly did, they Dems would have won massively and that didn’t happen, not even close.

Now, what does this bill do? It leaves it up to states to decide on pre-existing conditions. So poor folks and unhealthy folks will now again be without access to affordable healthcare.

The main point of the bill was to pass it and now that it has passed the House, it faces an uncertain future in the Senate, but it will go through some very radical changes here and there. This is why when the government sticks its nose in people's lives things just blow up! Now if we have to take people with preexisting conditions, that will cost more, so someone has to pay for it, that’s not heartless, that is reality and you can’t blindly just accept people that need serious medical treatment and not pay, so someone is going to have to sadly suffer. The young people don’t usually use health insurance, they would rather pay the penalty, the affluent pay as they go and that leaves the people in the middle that have to pull the weight of this and that didn’t sit well with millions of people. So now to offset this, in its current form senior citizens will have to cough up some money to help keep a lot of people with pre-existing conditions on their health care plan. But we shall see how all of this will turn out.

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in its current form senior citizens will have to cough up some money to help keep a lot of people with pre-existing conditions on their health care plan

This is something that geriatric Conservatives say. Senior citizens have medicare and have no premiums to pay. This shows hate Obama first policy because of their belief that he was born in Kenya.. Also, ObamaCare was invented by the Republicans. I hear Trump likes the Australian system.

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FoxNews.com now has the story in a couple of video clips in the crowded video section, one from Kelly Anne Conway, meaning it's pretty much gone from the front page of their site. I think it's fair to describe their entire coverage of the repeal by the House as a non-issue. Lot's of good information kept from their base, as was the intent.

I was expecting a story about Hillary Clinton, which is what they usually put up when a story breaks that makes the GOP look bad, but they found something on Soros instead, and Hillary is a secondary story. Much, much more attention than the (yawn) Obamacare repeal.

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FoxNews.com now has the story in a couple of video clips in the crowded video section, one from Kelly Anne Conway, meaning it's pretty much gone from the front page of their site. I think it's fair to describe their entire coverage of the repeal by the House as a non-issue. Lot's of good information kept from their base, as was the intent.

It should be repealed and replaced. I'm all for that.

I was expecting a story about Hillary Clinton, which is what they usually put up when a story breaks that makes the GOP look bad, but they found something on Soros instead, and Hillary is a secondary story. Much, much more attention than the (yawn) Obamacare repeal.

No, it just made the story because they HAVE to cover it, that's what a news outlet does, but also because she's still droning about last November and still refuses to take responsibilty for her loss, that doesn't make the FNC look bad, it makes her look beyond childish.

but they found something on Soros instead, and Hillary is a secondary story. Much, much more attention than the (yawn) Obamacare repeal.

And those are equally important news stories as well.

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