Trump election win sparks protests across U.S.

Shouldn't they respect the verdict.

chants of “We are not alone!”

Close Encounters of the Fourth Kind: The Fake Tan.

These protesters are the product of what passes for education in America these days. If they don't like the outcome of the DEMOCRATIC election, they revert to violence, hooliganism, vulgarity, as the Socialist agendas propagate.

Shouldn't they institute laws that would prevent yahoos from walking the streets with guns? Oh - no, they shouldn't: Not if they respect the verdict.

@Frederic Bastiat, as long as the protests are peaceful and no riots, looting and burning cars, they can protest all they want. It is a right here in the US to protest. I personally am just going to hold Trump accountable for his actions in the oval office. He's there to serve the people. And I sure as hell am going to remind him very sharply about that. I encourage others to do the same. It goes for all our elected officials. Just because he's there doesn't mean he won't be scrutinized by everyone.

And depending on what and how he does things, 1 term (if he doesn't do something really dumb to get impeachment procedures) is all he's going to get.

I"ve always seen both HC and Trump as 1 term presidencies.

Verdict? Since when did the election go to court?

Protest all they want. Seem like a bunch of whiners. College kids seem to whine when they don`t get their own way. They also come across as being uninformed which is probably why they make blanket statements or ad hominems as an argument.

Although am against these protests, have to say I sympathise with young American women in particular who believe, and rightly so, that it's their right to freely choose to have an abortion, or not. Same about other key social issues.

Foreign or economic policies etc are a different story, easier to accept. But when your own rights and basically your life have been altered I do get ppl's anger and unwillingness to accept the new rules in place.

College kids seem to whine when they don`t get their own way

unlike the President Elect

They also come across as being uninformed

keep going...

which is probably why they make blanket statements or ad hominems as an argument

White House material, then.

Verdict? Since when did the election go to court?

I guess it's because it feels like a four year sentence.

rana, frederick, pointoview, I agree. Theyre Immature, whiners with a sense of entitlement. And thats a college "education"? Glad the "progressives" choose them as their own.

Remember when the same thing happened when Obama was elected president back in 2008?

Me neither. . . .

And thats a college "education"? Glad the "progressives" choose them as their own.

The progressive movement does not choose members; individuals choose the progressive movement. And, yes - that is a college education. Look at the stats: the well-educated voted against Trump. This is an actual Trump quote:

I’m telling you, I used to use the word incompetent. Now I just call them stupid. I went to an Ivy League school. I’m very highly educated. I know words, I have the best words...but there is no better word than stupid. Right?

Stupid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo0OAJog_rE

A cold front is coming, that'll put everyone back in their warm living rooms.....

laguna, Im not at all sure what "well educated" actually signifies these days. I meet surprisingly ignorant people with college educations and I meet informed, erudite people without them. If we look at all the violent protests and stage rushings taking place during the campaign it was practically all on the anti- trump/ democrat side. Was it nancy pelosi who felt in fear of her life when bernies supporters learned the truth of how the DNC had double crossed bernie and them and went ape @@@@@ ? And Tex makes a good point. Republicans didnt whine and protest in the street when obama won. whats up?

Looks like the beginning of a Left tea party type movement that'll probably rupture the Dems in 2-4 years time

Just like the remoaners of Brexit. Spoilt, privileged, elitist leftie lovies just cannot except that the majority of people do not want their PC nonsense ramming down our throats.

If Cher and Miley Cyrus are gonna go into deep space can they please give lady gaga a seat too? I can just imagine the wonderfully interesting conversations that will take place on the trip. the expression "space cadets" comes to mind.

"Just like the remoaners of Brexit. Spoilt, privileged, elitist leftie lovies...."

Will people stop talking nonsense about Brexit? Many of the people I knew who voted Brexit were screaming lefty riff-raff like myself.

The very same people I'm talking about think Trump belongs in a toilet.

That's the second kicking this year that metropolitan liberals have taken this year (the first being Brexit). I'm looking forward to the European elections next year - wailing liberal tears are just so delicious!

Kids protesting the democratic result a day after when the president-elect hasn't even done anything yet.

Sounds like young voters experiencing an election where their preferred candidate didn't win for a change. I was like that once and ended up here in Japan as a result but home (not USA btw) looks pretty good these days after seeing how pathetic Japanese politics is for years

the protesters burned american flags and chanted, "not my president!" again, I have to say its the left who are undermining democracy. Hillary should come out flat out and condemn this in no uncertain terms. Will she?

Frederic BastiatNOV. 10, 2016 - 02:00PM JST

These protesters are the product of what passes for education in America these days. If they don't like the outcome of the DEMOCRATIC election,

Clinton had more popular votes than Trump.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2016/nov/08/us-election-2016-results-live-clinton-trump?view=map&type=presidential

Clinton: 59,923,027

Trump: 59,692,974

The article says,

Protests also were held in other cities across the country, gathering thousands of people in Chicago, Philadelphia, Portland, Oregon, Seattle and other cities.

Most of the city dwellers voted for Clinton. Most of the country dwellers voted for Trump.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2016/results/state/OH#president

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2016/results/state/FL#president

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2016/results/state/PA#president

As long as they protest in the cities, they do not understand who supported Trump and why. This election reminds me of the story of "the town mouse and the country mouse".

its the dems who are rioting in the streets after the election. Note to the "college educated" protesters : walking out of your classes is only going to delay you graduating with an "education" and further delay your ssucking up to and joining the "elites". Or maybe theyre eyeing a future job in politics, afterall, hillary made millions.

So something called the Electoral College gave Trump the Big Seat, but Hilary won the popular vote? Surely one person, one vote would be a better, fairer system?

Anyway, it's going to be squeaky bum time for the world after January... I'm on the side of the protesters... America made a yuge mistake.

The people have spoken. The joys of democracy.

I agree with "outrider" above. Burning the American flag in America is beyond being bad. And displaying the flag of another country while carrying out the protests in the United States is just as bad. Such protesters are showing how anti-American they are.

"I agree with "outrider" above. Burning the American flag in America is beyond being bad"

Beyond being bad? What are you talking about here? What beyond bad thing is burning a piece of cloth equivalent to?

the protesters burned american flags and chanted, "not my president!" again, I have to say its the left who are undermining democracy. Hillary should come out flat out and condemn this in no uncertain terms. Will she?

@outrider, agree hillary, obama and co should ask their followers to respect the outcome the same way they would have expected Trumpists to accept a loss.

Re 'lefties' I can assure you am not a leftist the way you guys define them. I think many of us non americans who were born and raised in secular countries do take things like abortion for granted, the same way we are always stunned when we hear a guy like Pence for example mention God or religion during his acceptance speech. Imo it's more of a religious/non religious issue than a left/right one.

Massive elections in both germany and france next year. Trump's win will change these elections.

jimizo, nice. I guess its nice and "progressive" to burn flags

The very same people I'm talking about think Trump belongs in a toilet.

And many people that voted for Trump think the exact opposite about the people want them in the toilet.

Beyond being bad? What are you talking about here? What beyond bad thing is burning a piece of cloth equivalent to?

Another reason why I am so happy that Trump won!

"jimizo, nice. I guess its nice and "progressive" to burn flags"

I didn't say that. I'm just wondering about the 'beyond bad' hysteria. Raping children strikes me as 'beyond bad'. Burning pieces of cloth doesn't strike me as 'beyond bad'.

jimizo, I guess its a question of degree and expression. Lighting fires in the street in a developed country is a definite step towards violence and burning flags brings to mind models of democracy like iran ( never the iranian flag of course) and those other middle eastern hell holes.

"Protests also were held in other cities across the country, gathering thousands of people in Chicago, Philadelphia, Portland, Oregon, Seattle and other cities." ... ... ... ... ... ... ... "Thousands" of protesters? Lots of people. 100,000,000 + protesters. More people. It was called Election Day. It looks like the media have found a substitute already for the Trump/Clinton cat & dog fight. Pardon me if I change channels.

Trump's road to the White House was laid out, graded and paved by the hard work of protesters like this. Across America, and in a big way thanks to the internet, one example of outrageous behavior after the other was on display and open for examination and many Americans didn't like what they were seeing. Fairly or not, many Americans associated this offensive behavior with Hillary and the Democratic party, and for them, that played a significant role in their formulating a decision.

chanted, "not my president!" again

Oh, Outrider - you must be shocked - SHOCKED! - that this kind of behavior is allowed to exist. Look up the number of times that Bill Clinton was referred to as "your president" even by sitting congressmen. By the way, did you know that Trump was actually born in Germany to parents of communist/fascist origin? No doubt he is American, though I've yet to see documentation of his birth. I am not suggesting that this he is a Manchurian candidate, but some people are saying so.

My goodness - such rhetoric hurled against a president! Why, it's almost unprecedented! (Almost.)

The election has been run. The people have had their say. That should be respected. Trump was actually quite gracious to Clinton in his speech. Sure, protest if and when he does something outrageous (you know it's gonna happen), but not now.

As an aside, I was just listening to R.E.M's "end of the world as we know it" (wonder why) and I swear I just heard a line about the reporters being trumped. First the Simpsons, and now this...

laguna, Im not shocked that its allowed to exist, simply surprised that "educated" people decide to burn their own flag cos the election didnt go their way. Very grown up behaviour from the lefties.

burning flags brings to mind models of democracy (sic) like iran

Can't have your cake and eat it. The First Amendment, which protects those who spew racist bile, also protects flag burners:

U.S. v. Eichman, 496 U.S. (1990), ruled that due to the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, it is unconstitutional for a government (whether federal, state, or municipality) to prohibit the desecration of a flag, due to its status as "symbolic speech."

With any luck Trump's presidency will help increase protests and create a surge for the labour movement to restore and increase wages and benefits that are sure to be cut.

If Trump wants to "Make America Great Again" that means labour unions which were much stronger in the 40's 50's and 60's than today. Ha

OutriderNOV. 10, 2016 - 07:02PM JST

Very interesting. I just want to know what you think the most important value is to the US for you?

Probably, you do not think freedom is the most important value. Maybe the loyalty to the system called the nation?

CH3, still locked into your pre-conceived opinions, I see. OK, freedom is very important. I was simply commenting on the immaturity of the protesters. with freedom comes responsibility - well, except for lefties.

Remember when Obama was elected in 2008 and reelected in 2012 how all of the conservatives and Christians turned out to riot and protest?

Me neither.

kabukideath, exactly.

Amazed people are getting upset over flag burning... could be a lot worse.

Haven't even been inaugurated yet, and the people are already divided

Kinda ironic that Trump didn't respect the Office of the President, and these people are responding in kind

This is like how the Tea Party were protesting against Barack Hussein Obama

Maybe this'll start the Dems own Tea Party movement

I am guessing that the media, shocked by President-elect Trumps victory, have ironically forgotten all of their pre-election concerns about how the disgruntled deplorables were supposed to be the ones protesting and rioting after Hillary's expected victory. Trump is indeed a buffoon but I cannot help but delight in the media's cluelessness and lack of self awareness.

I learnt from this case, that Americans are easy to be move by loud voice and not actions.

So those people who condemned Trump for saying he wouldn't accept the election results are now in the streets rioting, looting, blocking traffic, setting fires and hypocritically, not accepting the election results . . . this irony is not lost on me.

When you spend 50 years creating a government dependent underclass, don’t be surprised when they act like one.

Very grown up behaviour from the lefties.

Right, outrider. You might notice that they are average citizens, not the president-elect. How long did he continue that "Obama is a foreigner" position? Seems by my reckoning to be about seven years. Do you call that grown up, or do you just "don't want to talk about it anymore" (Trump's favorite line whenever he tries to evade a past position).

I'm not saying that what the protesters are doing is correct - I'm just comparing it to the well-established behavior of the president-elect.

This is why democracy is overrated. How can you disappoint so many in a country with an election? Only in the current world do we call it good when just over 60 million people choose one guy and one party to rule over 325 million people...

Laguna, I've seen this ad nauseum with "progressives". When their trashy behavior is pointed out to them they retreat behind, "well he did it tooooo..." Makes no difference to me. I didn't support trump or vote for him so your excuses are irrelevant.

Btw, Just out of interest, what happened to, "when they go low, we go high!" ?

This is my first post since the election. I was stunned bythe result to say the least. We the people are in a world of trouble. I seriously want to hibernate for the next four years. Oh, well .. .. .. ..

The behavior of these Clinton supporters shows what the true colors of Clinton supporters are

They harp on about tolerance, or rather they claimed Trump to be a bigoted, prejudiced, dangerous person, but look at who is burning flags, protesting, slandering.

Despicable really. Grow up. Flag burning because your candidate - a candidate who rigged the primary elections to beat her far better opponent, Sanders, lost?

You ALL have to get JOBS now; oh, and a VISA too !

“But we’re not going to let a Donald Trump presidency stop the progress in this country,” he added."

Trump is the one who is going to start the progress, numbskull.

"We the people are in a world of trouble. I seriously want to hibernate for the next four years. Oh, well .. .. .. .seriously want to hibernate for the next four years. Oh, well .. .. .. .."

What kind of attitude is that? Did you not hear the president-elect? We need to come together and unite to overcome our troubles.

OutriderNov. 10, 2016 - 04:42PM JST the protesters burned american flags and chanted, "not my president!" again, I have to say its the left who are >undermining democracy. Hillary should come out flat out and condemn this in no uncertain terms. Will she?

What does Hillary have to do with this? These people are protesting because they disapprove of Trump. Not because they approve of Hillary.

and a VISA too !

or Mastercard - they're really the same. Don't go with American Express, as they charge an annual fee. Either of the former two will help bail you out while you're protesting against "the man" who was elected as a protest against "the man." (Any questions?)

These people are protesting because they disapprove of Trump. Not because they approve of Hillary.

No these people are protesting the results of a democratic election. Some are even rioting, looting, waving Mexican flags and burning American flags. These actions and similar ones seen in recent years by a subset of the American Left who are dictatorial and suffer from an undeserved sense of entitlement are the most likely reason for the lurch towards a guy like Trump.

For all those who said:

"If Trump wins I'm moving to Canada," I hope they realize that they have elections there too. If the results there don't meet with their approval will they make the same threat again, and again?

If they had any intellectual integrity they would have said:

"If Trump wins I'm moving to Cuba," great music, great cigars, sunny beaches, no election hassles, superior healthcare, free food allotments, low rent, and I'll get to see millions of my fellow Communists.

No these people are protesting the results of a democratic election.

Outrageous! Next thing you know, they'll be denying the right of a sitting president to have judges evaluated. Is there no end to this?!

I wonder how many of these kidults actually voted.

And with Clinton getting more actual votes, this probably has more to do with Democrat supporters in the big states like CA and NY voting for Clinton in far bigger numbers, while the more sparsely populated states tended to favour Trump. And there's the question of how many illegals voted for Clinton because the polling booth staff were to scared to ask them for ID?

Slate is reporting that Trump has dropped the language from his website calling for a ban on Muslims. So there is some hope.

just like the remain voters in the UK when they lost.. Boo hoo we didn't win .. we want a new vote get real Clinton supporters...... you LOST...deal with it

This is my first post since the election. I was stunned bythe result to say the least.

Everyone was, including me and it takes a lot to shock me.

We the people are in a world of trouble. I seriously want to hibernate for the next four years. Oh, well .. .. .. ..

Despite what the MSM and the Democrats try to indoctrinate to you, you will be fine and the country will be fine.

I guess you'll have to get used to saying now "President Trump 2016"

Slate is reporting that Trump has dropped the language from his website calling for a ban on Muslims. So there is some hope.

Now especially we do have a lot of hope. I just don't get the fear mongering from the left, you guys did it so much, you guys are starting to believe your own lies. Trump wanted a halt on Muslims coming into the country from places like Syria and Iraq that are affiliated with ISIS and other radical Jihadists that are on a watch list and not just ANY Muslim. For the life of me, I don't know why the left have to constantly misconstrue everything.

The hight of hypocrisy. The same little crybabies who went crazy when Trump hinted he wouldn't honour a Clinton win are now doing the same exact thing.

If one good, decent thing arises out of this silliness, it's the death of the sad, weak Social Justice Warriors who invite destruction on western values and success.

Clamenza wrote: "If one good, decent thing arises out of this silliness, it's the death of the sad, weak Social Justice Warriors who invite destruction on western values and success." ... ... ...

In a hopeful vein, one source reports that after a campus anti-Trump post-election march hundreds of SJWs fell, in best Roman tradition, on their tongues.

So by comparison, all those Trump supporters talking of violence, revolution and being outside the White House in arms if he lost were actually just talking rubbish and wouldn't have done any of that stuff?

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As for the protests, 99% peaceful. And they have every right, some 50% of Americans see America go back to the 19th century under Trump, and i tend to agree....

I feel bad for the Bernie supporters that un-electable Hillary let them down. Lots of socialist and dictator countries they can immigrate to. I wish them luck in trying to destroy another country.

I disagree so I will burn down my whole community. Brilliant!

These protestors are nothing but anchor babies that have gotten fat off the system by being a product of their illegal immigrant parents that came here and used them as a means to sponge the system. The party is over and now they are protesting in fear of their parents getting deported. Its about time they respect the rule of the law and accept what the 40 other red states voted for. If they don't agree they can simply go back to Mexico with their flags they are waving here in the streets of the US. I say go back to Mexico and protest to the Mexican government for change. I am willing to bet they can't do that because if they did they would be hung from a bridge. People protested when Obama was elected to be president and now its the same, but the people protesting are the very same people who should not be here period!! Yes everyone was caught off guard that Donald Trump won but the people have spoken and we have to accept that. Mexico and other countries did not believe he could win, this guy had to go against the democrats and his own party and still survived. What Hillary did was complained she did not CAMPAIGN at all she was on a defensive fear angering tour and we are seeing the results of it now. She has already accepted her loss, why can't her illegal followers accept the same. The problem is they were given too much promise and now they see those promises are not going to be met so this again is the result. Hillary went after the Hispanic and black vote, she did not even take into consideration the Asian vote and that voting block killed her. Donald Trump got 29% of the Asian vote. When Mitt Romney ran against Obama he didn't get 2% so what does that tell you. Also Hispanics 55 years and older gave Donald Trump 29% of their vote, what does that say it says these Hispanics have been here in the country for awhile and they accept the culture and they to are tired of seeing these sponges come here and sponge off their tax dollars that they are paying to. For the rest of the countries that fear Donald Trump because now they won't deal with a yes man like Obama, he was too soft and Donald Trump projects toughness this is what the country need someone who can clean the country of the sponges that has brought nothing to it but crime, babies, over crowded schools, hospitals, stores you name it. They degrade life anywhere you go. That even includes Disneyland they don't wait in line they go to the front as if you were not there!!! Mexico President said that Mexico would not build a wall. Well during the election the Mexican peso went south, he hurried up and called Donald Trump their finance minister said Mexico is in trouble, they fear he would cut off all the remittance that are being sent back across the border. The president of Mexico talked big because he thought Hilary was unbeatable like everyone else thought. About the wall well lets see I bet Mexico pay for it now. They fear he will tear up the NAFTA agreements and choke them off financially. As for deporting all the illegals here, like Donald said they will self deport and I say as they do so give them a brick on the way out and stack it along the border this will get the wall completed!! Sorry but the law is the law and finally we hope it can be respected. For those illegals south of the border who want to live here I say leave the country apply in your country like all other respectable people do and get in line and wait. Its unfair to think just because you have a baby you should get preference. Total nonsense!!!

Trump: 100% unacceptable. Fired.

So by comparison, all those Trump supporters talking of violence, revolution and being outside the White House in arms if he lost were actually just talking rubbish and wouldn't have done any of that stuff?

Some, perhaps, but liberals generally speaking loss their minds and take it a notch or two. You wouldn't see conservatives go on a complete raging lunatic mob meltdown like this. The left have themselves to blame. They lost everything, so hopefully, they will lick their wounds, reflect and take a deep look inside their souls and try next time to listen to the people instead of thinking what THEY think is good for the people and impose a hardcore radical far left progressive ideology forth. The people rejected all of it, to the point which even surprised me.

If they don't like it, there is a process to change the Constitution, which setup the national election system we still use today. They should work on that - something useful - instead of acting like 4 yr old children.

Too much of the political spectrum is lost between the two main parties that a third party like the Greens or a Bernie Sanders party would provide the injection into the election process. No point it using one of the two to help that along, just ask Bernie.

Oh, and ditch the electoral college and have either a Ranked Ballot or full Proportional Representation. Twist: That way you won't get a loser candidate. Double Twist: You also don't have to jump off a cliff just to change direction, but get course adjustments every two years instead from both the White House and Congress.

This is what the rest of us have, more or less, out there. It wouldn't lose those affected by the elites and their trade agreements, but instead give them a voice. It would at least filter out the racists and misogynists

So those people who condemned Trump for saying he wouldn't accept the election results are now in the streets rioting, looting, blocking traffic, setting fires and hypocritically, not accepting the election results . . . this irony is not lost on me.

That's one promise the protestors hope Trump would keep

And there's hardly any rioting or looting. They're blocking traffic and causing some commotion, but people are overreacting over this

Trump kept saying, "election is rigged," implied that guns or muskets will appear if HRC is elected. What went wrong now that he's president? HRC did win the popular vote so I don't blame her supporters for demonstrating. If she had won, his supporters would act in a worse way.

gubijin wrote: "HRC did win the popular vote so I don't blame her supporters for demonstrating. If she had won, his supporters would act in a worse way." ... .... ... In 2000, Al Gore lost the Electoral College, but won the popular vote. I've looked on the Internet for reports of student demonstrations at that time in "hundreds of towns", but so far have found none. If there weren't any or were many fewer than today, why the difference? I don't recall George W. Bush being compared to Hitler as Trump has been. The level of hysteria this year has been unmatched. In part it's due to Trump's rhetoric, but that has already been toned down whether as an expression of his cunning or true intent. It remains to be seen. Personally, I think the latter. But much of the hysteria is due to the self-righteousness of students which has been promoted and fueled by professors and administrators in universities for many years. Don't agree? Just flee to one of the different "safe zones" now on many campuses. ... "If she had won... " She didn't and his supporters have done nothing of the like happening now. As for unhappiness over the Electoral College system, have Democrats tried to replace it or do they hope to some day benefit from it?

I don't recall George W. Bush being compared to Hitler as Trump has been. The level of hysteria this year has been unmatched.

People didn't realize just how bad Bush was going to be when he was elected. So people weren't happy, but they weren't afraid and disgusted as they are this time.

In part it's due to Trump's rhetoric

It's entirely due to Trump's rhetoric.

So by comparison, all those Trump supporters talking of violence, revolution and being outside the White House in arms if he lost were actually just talking rubbish and wouldn't have done any of that stuff?

When was the last time you saw conservatives rioting? Not even the Tea Party folks 'rioted'. No flag burning, fire-bombings or other property damage and violence. No racist or threatening anti-police chants. It's as if the press wanted conservatives to fly off the handle given their certainty of a Hillary victory.

Trump: 100% unacceptable. Fired.

Trump is 100% President-elect. Hired!

bass4funkNOV. 11, 2016 - 03:22AM JST

"So by comparison, all those Trump supporters talking of violence, revolution and being outside the White House in arms if he lost were actually just talking rubbish and wouldn't have done any of that stuff?"

Some, perhaps...

Considering how many people there have been involved, there have only been some ugly incidents nationwide and only some arrests.

...but liberals generally speaking loss their minds and take it a notch or two. You wouldn't see conservatives go on a complete raging lunatic mob meltdown like this.

What hyperbolic rubbish. "Complete raging lunatic mob meltdown?" Other than some nasty-sounding stuff in Oakland that doesn't sound anything like as bad as what Trump supporters were threatening, what incidents are you basing that laughable assertion on? Hundreds of deaths and serious injuries? Mass arrests? Millions of dollars in property damage? Talk about mob meltdowns when there's some of that kind of stuff going on.

OutriderNOV. 10, 2016 - 07:22PM JST

CH3, still locked into your pre-conceived opinions, I see. OK, freedom is very important. I was simply commenting on the immaturity of the protesters. with freedom comes responsibility - well, except for lefties.

If you are talking about "immaturity", I think you need to point your finger not at the people in front of the Trump Tower, but at the person living on the top floor of it.

These protestors have proven for 2 years, to be violent left singers, who should be ridiculed and ignored. The fact Democrats resort to violent riots proves they have no legitimacy and is one reason why trump won.

The fact Democrats resort to violent riots proves they have no legitimacy and is one reason why trump won.

I agree. A solid argument can be made that the constant unrest and violence by BLM and other social justice warriors going back to Michael Browns assault on the Ferguson police officer and the reactionary response by the Left culminating in the murder of 5 Dallas cops has contributed to Trumps election victory. Attacking all cops as being racist is a stupid tactic. The use of the term 'white privilege' in order to marginalize and delegitimize dissenting political speech is terribly divisive and an attack on American democracy. Democrats are basically going around hating on straight white males and are dumbfounded when they refuse to support them. What did they expect?

Wolfpack - so true,

SJWs are the ones that are to blame for a Trump presidency. The regressive-left precious little snowflakes have been so intolerable for the past decade that they pushed an already left-leaning white middle class to the right as a result.

Now look at their reactions. Actual adults crying and throwing tantrums.

Just embarrassing to see.

People didn't realize just how bad Bush was going to be when he was elected. So people weren't happy, but they weren't afraid and disgusted as they are this time.

Some people weren't happy.

What hyperbolic rubbish. "Complete raging lunatic mob meltdown?" Other than some nasty-sounding stuff in Oakland that doesn't sound anything like as bad as what Trump supporters were threatening, what incidents are you basing that laughable assertion on? Hundreds of deaths and serious injuries?

Oh, please! Have you ever been to Oakland? Probably not! With all due respect, you really don't have a clue on this. Yes, Oakland is THAT bad.

Mass arrests? Millions of dollars in property damage? Talk about mob meltdowns when there's some of that kind of stuff going on.

The arrests are coming and yes, getting into the millions when you add things up. Tell me, When Obama became president or Clinton, how many conservatives did you see riot by the thousands. I think you know what the answer is going to be. Conservatives just don't go out rioting, defecating on effigies and beat up people and cause damage. Liberals are like spoiled little brats! Some of the college students are allowed to take the day off to cope with the situation and some places are offering counseling to deal with this? Are you f** kidding me?! 8 years of Obama has produced a selfish, self-centered, society that feels they are entitled to anything and everything at their command. They call themselves tolerant and yet, when the political process doesn't go their way, they become intolerant. Hopefully, Trump can really create a lot of jobs in the private sector, get these idiots out of their parents house and away from the PC and back to work and become productive members of society.

I love how the only time Trump supporters have something to say, it's about al the issues those who don't agree with them have. Why don't you google what Trump said about the results of the 2012 elections? He advocated marching to the Nations capital when he thought Mitt Romney was going to win the popular vote and lose the electoral college to protest. He wanted the electoral college abolished. Now that's how he wins. Was he being immature and wanting his own way. So President Obama won the popular vote by a large margin and whipped Mitt Romney to a pulp in the electoral college. That's who won by default this election. What I know for sure is that you reap what you sow. His voters will rue the day they chose him. I believe this with all my heart. He's a fraud who will help to lead this country down a path of destruction. You just have to believe the words that came from his mouth.

States stop counting absentee votes when the outstanding votes won't affect the outcome.

So much for 'every vote counts'.

Absentee votes trend 67% Republican.

It looks like Hillary won't win the estimated popular vote this time, either. Just the count.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/11/hillary_wins_the_popular_vote__not_.html

... States don’t count their absentee ballots unless the number of outstanding absentee ballots is larger than the state margin of difference. If there is a margin of 1,000 votes counted and there are 1,300 absentee ballots outstanding, then the state tabulates those. If the number of outstanding absentee ballots wouldn’t influence the election results, then the absentee ballots aren’t counted. ...

Who votes by absentee ballot? Students overseas, the military, businesspeople on trips, etc. The historical breakout for absentee ballots is about 67-33% Republican. In 2000, when Al Gore “won” the popular vote nationally by 500,000 votes and the liberal media screamed bloody murder, there were 2 million absentee ballots in California alone. A 67-33 breakout of those yields a 1.33- to 0.667-million Republican vote advantage, so Bush would have gotten a 667,000-vote margin from California’s uncounted absentee ballots alone! So much for Gore’s 500,000 popular vote “victory.” (That was the headline on the N.Y. Times, and it was the lead story on NBC Nightly News, right? No? You’re kidding.) ...

Absentee votes trend 67% Republican.

In California?

Clinton took 61.6% of the popular vote in California, Trump 33.1%. Let's assume that the absentee votes did fall 1-3 overall in favour of Trump.

Clinton would then have 74.272%, Trump 77.923%. Yes, looks like overwhelming victory for Trump.

Except....who really believes that in a state where the counted votes are two-thirds Democrat, anything like a majority of the absentee voters would be Republican?

Not all absentee votes are military and business types overseas; the majority are cast by voters who went to the wrong precinct to vote because they had moved, and these are disproportionally gathered in low-income, minority working-class areas where Clinton gained 60, 80 and even 90 percent of the vote.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/recount-in-california-trumps-popular-vote-deficit-may-approach-two-million/5556612

If the shoe had been on the other foot - Clinton winning the Electoral College, Trump getting the majority of votes - Trump and his supporters would be screaming blue murder, claiming the whole thing was rigged. How do we know? Trump told us so, many times. Gotta believe him.

The writer of the american thinker blog, like apparently half his countrymen, obviously doesn't think very hard or very deep. The Electoral College, he says, protects the little states from being subject to the whim and desire of just two states. He overlooks the fact that it instead distorts the vote to give a handful of people living in the smaller states way, way more voting clout than they warrant from the size of their population and at the same time disenfranchising the people in the big states who do not vote for the winner.

Why not allocate the electoral college votes according to the proportion of votes cast? You could still keep the +2 votes bias in favour of smaller states if the big states worried you so much.

Thus California this time would have returned 34 Democrat votes and 21 Republican for 9 and a bit million votes: At the other end of the spectrum Wyoming would have 1 Democrat vote, 2 Republican votes for a voting population of 250,000. Sounds much more fair to me and still gives the people in the little state twice the clout per vote that the big state has.

the majority are cast by voters who went to the wrong precinct to vote because they had moved, and these are disproportionally gathered in low-income, ...

It looks like you are lifting this from your link to the WSW - World Socialist Website article, and got the quoting mixed up, but in reply to both you and the article ...

What you are describing is what other countries like Australia mean when they say 'absentee vote'. In the USA, when someone tries to vote in the wrong precinct or for some other reason they are not showing up on the precinct's rolls at the polling station, they are given a provisional ballot, not an absentee ballot. You and the article's confusion on this make me doubt both your assumptions re the relative number of provisional ballots.

And there are relatively small numbers of provisional votes compared to absentee votes. You can see this in the current Orange County CA voting results. The total number of ballots cast on election day was less than the total number of mail-in (absentee) ballots cast. Do you really think that the small fraction of election day ballots cast by people in the wrong precinct on election day compares to the number of absentee ballots, when the total number of election day ballots is less than than the absentee total?

http://www.ocvote.com/datacentral/?tab=results

Total Voters (Precinct registration): 1535967. Precinct ballots cast: 389948. Early ballots cast: 5596. Vote-by-mail ballots cast: 466756. Total ballots cast: 862300.

If the shoe had been on the other foot - Clinton winning the Electoral College, Trump getting the majority of votes - Trump and his supporters would be screaming blue murder, claiming the whole thing was rigged. How do we know? Trump told us so, many times.

When did he say popular vote trumps electoral vote? Did you make that up?

As for the rest of what you are saying, coming up with weird changes to the long-time election process is just another form of sour grapes due to your candidate not winning this time around.

Actually Hillary only lost by 140,000 votes. That's the difference in four or so swing states that Trump took, that if Hillary had taken would have resulted in her victory.

If those 140,000 votes had gone the other way, we wouldn't have had the last four days of histrionics over the electoral system. Because at last report media coverage was imbalanced 91% in favor of Hillary, and there's no reason to believe that's changed just because Trump won.

It looks like you are lifting this from your link to the WSW - World Socialist Website article

I took it from the link I gave in my quote.

You and the article's confusion on this make me doubt both your assumptions re the relative number of provisional ballots.

You are right that there are more mail-in votes than provisional votes, but it seems both are counted in the state's tally of 'unprocessed ballots'. According to the State of California (not the WSW, not Australia) as of 5pm on Thursday, there were still some 4.36 million uncounted votes in California, of which 3.175 million were mail-ins and 1.071 million were provisional.

When did he say popular vote trumps electoral vote?

He said many times that the election was rigged.

coming up with weird changes to the long-time election process is just another form of sour grapes due to your candidate not winning

(1) I don't have a candidate.

(2) What's weird about fairness and proper representation?

@turbostat

That's not what "sour grapes" means.

cleo: I took it from the link I gave in my quote.

You didn't mark it as a quote, so it was shown as your own words. A quote is indicated by quotation marks, or on JT with angle brackets (as you know since you have done that in your latest post).

cleo: as of 5pm on Thursday, there were still some 4.36 million uncounted votes in California, of which 3.175 million were mail-ins and 1.071 million were provisional.

So absentee ballots three times were the number of provisional, and as far as some huge number of provisional ballots voting for Hillary due to low income or whatever, so far we've only a Socialist website's unsupported claim for that, a website that doesn't even know what the correct term for 'provisional' is. Or more likely is intentionally conflating 'absentee' and 'provisional'.

lucabrasi: @turbostat - That's not what "sour grapes" means.

The grapes in the Electoral College would have been sweeter than sweet to the Democrats, if they had won the electoral vote and lost the popular. But they failed the jump, and are decrying their sourness.

(1) I don't have a candidate. (2) What's weird about fairness and proper representation?

(1) So you like Hillary and Trump approximately equally well? (2) It's weird because a change is likely never going to happen until the USA changes governments. From def. 5 of 'weird' at wiktionary: "Deviating from the normal; bizarre". The Electoral College has been in place for probably over 200 years and is the norm and is not likely to change.

There is the chance of the Democrats someday getting the 2/3 representation needed to change the constitution, or to get lots of states to change state law to give all electoral votes to the popular vote winner (there's a movement for that). But Democrats have lost the White House and both houses of Congress and are on a downward trend at the moment.

we've only a Socialist website's unsupported claim for that

... as opposed to your unsupported claim that ⅔ of uncounted votes in a strongly-Democrat state are likely Republican votes?

So you like Hillary and Trump approximately equally well?

I don't have a vote, so I don't have a candidate.

If I did have a vote, and I had to choose between these two.... I would emigrate. If they are the best the country has to offer out of 300 million .... sigh.