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Trump faces long odds in challenging vote counts; McConnell says it is OK for Trump to fight

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The archetypal swamp creature McConnell backing Trump’s attempt to remain in the swamp is not surprising. Old people clinging to power like Ruth Bader Ginsburg did does a lot of harm to our country.

If republicans are allowed to inspect the ballots, they need to be monitored. If they aren’t, the potential for them to commit fraud increases greatly.

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In Georgia, where Biden has a small lead over Trump but the race remains too early to call, a state election official pledged Monday to investigate any ballot problems they find.

“When the margins are this tight, every little thing matters,” said Gabriel Sterling, who led the state’s implementation of a new voting system for the secretary of state’s office.

Also happening in Georgia...

"We've not had any sort of credible incidents raised to our level yet and so we'll continue to make sure that the opportunity to make sure every legal ballot is counted is there, but you know at this point, we've not seen any sort of credible examples."

That's from a Republican Lieutenant Governor. I remember at the end of 2000 there was a time when Al Gore looked like he had a fair chance of winning Florida, but with stuff like this coming out Trump's efforts just look more and more pathetic by the day.

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Trump faces long odds in challenging vote counts

But Trump doesn't care. His personal mission now is to continue dividing the country.

Who in the US benefits when Americans are fighting each other. While having to deal with a pandemic out of control because of Trump's bungling. While having to deal with Trump's failed economy that's smacked millions of Americans.

McConnell says it is OK for Trump

McConnell knows his wife will lose the cushy job she's had thanks to Trump and before him Bush 43.

McConnell and wife have got filthy rich from government 'service'. Their loyalty is to their bank accounts. They care zip about the general population. Republicans, after all.

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Trump is mostly likely to be indicted, than be President again, he cannot go into NY, without the fear of being arrested, when he step down as President

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A wannabe tinpot dictator trying to create a new banana republic, pathetic.

The spineless McConnell is the most disgraceful senate majority leader ever.

Years later we’ll have their pictures in museums as the people who tried to overthrow democracy in the US.

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Trump is mostly likely to be indicted, than be President again, he cannot go into NY, without the fear of being arrested, when he step down as President

If he’s indicted, he’s subject to arrest and extradition in all 50 states, all territories, and a vast number of countries.

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Any Republican with any sense is distancing himself from Trump. He will be gone in a couple of months.

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Hmmm, difficult to know what to think-I guess I’ll have to wait for Rudi to roll out another sex offender at his next porn shop car park news conference.

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So true. Any sensible Republican would stay away from Trump and his policies. From Day One it was himself first, party second, and country third. When, most level-headed citizens (both Democrat and Republican) would put country first and individual last.

It is no mystery then why he lost the election. He may have kept his gullible and hard right base, but he lost the more centrist Republicans; those who try to stick to the core GOP values that help to move the country in the right direction. Those type of Republicans don't like the selfish agenda that Trump was pushing.

As for his hand-picked nominee Amy Barrett, although she may be for the GOP, I'm pretty sure she will not be a champion for him. She is one who actually goes to church and reads the Bible. She also probably can't accept someone who is a known philanderer, liar, cheater, and dictator. So good luck with getting any Supreme Court decisions to rule in his favor.

Finally, he should just do the honorable thing and concede. Past one-term presidents like Jimmy Carter and George H.W. Bush did. As well as other losers of elections. None of them claimed cheating. But then again, I sincerely doubt there is one honorable bone in Trump's body. He is also a hypocrite since I clearly remember him complaining that Democrats (and Green Party members) should not request recounts in the 2016 elections. Yet here we are, with him requesting them. Wow!

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Of course McConnell saying it's ok to fight.They retain the senate.Trump is now as useful to the party as a busted rubber.But is thanked by them for his service.

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Republicans should have jumped ship when they knew Trump wouldn't win a 2nd term. Seems like a fat chance there will be bipartisan work on anything in the foreseeable future.

Thanks a lot, Trump.

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Not content with the damage he has already done, he seems hellbent on more. With his lackeys in office to support him.

The archetypal swamp creature McConnell

That's exactly what he is. Or the Toxic Avenger in old age.

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CNN: Melania among those telling Trump to concede.

Melania Trump: The American people deserve fair elections. Every legal - not illegal - vote should be counted. We must protect our democracy with complete transparency.

The gullible continue to let these media outlets run their minds.

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I can’t help but chuckle when I hear trump supporters talk about gullibility and transparency.

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So Republicans are fine celebrating their gains in the House and likely survival in Senate, but doubt the Presidential results.

uh...those votes were cast on the same ballots...

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Attorney General William Barr has authorized federal prosecutors across the U.S. to pursue “substantial allegations” of voting irregularities before the 2020 presidential election is certified (AP News)

How long until Barr is a "henchman" again?

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The ones goading trump into this fight , the one he will lose badly, are the ones who colluded with trump in undermining democracy.

Barr, rudy.... are or will be investigated and face prison time for corruption.

don jr and Eric facing collapsing businesses and bankruptcy and hope they can hold it off for another 4 years.

Then there is trump himself, SDNY , 4 letters that make the prospect of a loss of presidential protection frightening!!!!

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so seems I didnt miss anything, same people going on and on about same thing.

See you in all in a couple of days after you lose Arizona and NC and AK are added to the Trump total.

I have been alive long enough to remember "President-Elect Gore", it means nothing until the votes are certified by the electors in each state. thats Dec 14 I believe.

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I just found some better things to do with my time for a couple of days than posting here.

And yet here you are posting 1..2... looking out for the 3rd.

so seems I didnt miss anything, same people going on and on about same thing.

And there you are too LOL

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Just a reminder that bells rang and fireworks hit the sky in Europe over an American election. Like ya know, they did on V E day...

one gets the impression they saw something 71 million Americans apparently don’t.

word is Trump is gonna start rallies again. In states that went Blue but have Red legislatures. Wonder what that’s about? Plan B after lawsuits fail? Rally the mob to force red legislatures to override the vote and send their own Trump electors? So he can “win after losing popular by upwards of 5 million?

I hope I’m wrong. Will happily eat crow if this turns out to be over the top alarmism.

but to this point the GOP has repeatedly outperformed my worst case predictions.

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See you in all in a couple of days after you lose Arizona and NC and AK are added to the Trump total.

I have been alive long enough to remember "President-Elect Gore", it means nothing until the votes are certified by the electors in each state. thats Dec 14 I believe.

No need to rush back.  Why not continue your absence until December 14 then you can come back and smugly tell us Trump is still the president (snigger).

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How long until Barr is a "henchman" again?

”Again?” When did he stop?

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See you in all in a couple of days after you lose Arizona and NC and AK are added to the Trump total.

You don’t need to do that, I’m sure such a monumental news item would be reported somewhere, we’ll hear about it through the optic bubble silo.

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On the same “overriding the vote/send Trump electors” argument, Trump just fired Mark Esper. You know, the guy who didn’t want to send the 82nd in to US cities. Maybe he can appoint Tom Cotton as acting Sec Def? So we can have the 101st and the 10th Mountain and the Big Red 1 as well!

hooray for democracy

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Someone is having a meltdown and it's not only Trump, who is now talking about running again in 2014, even though he'll be older than Biden is now. He's dreaming of the Great Comeback.

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Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said Monday Trump is “100% within his rights” to question election results and consider legal options. The Republican leader's remarks were his first public comments since Biden was declared the winner of the presidential election. McConnell said the process will play out and “reach its conclusion.”

Of course, McConnell said this from his Senate office - he has refused to visit the White House for four months because of their lax COVID safety measures...

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/10/mitch-mcconnell-white-house-avoided-wont-go-months-covid-coronavirus-measures.html

That's a real vote of confidence Mitch...even you admt Trump's COVID response has been an abject failure...

Want another opinion? Ask Ben Carson...

https://www.businessinsider.com/ben-carson-tests-positive-for-covid-19-2020-11

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Trump fighting over a fistful of doll...,I mean votes.There are some people in serious denial of reality. A state of shock. Loved that Michael Jackson's and Mick Jagger's duet.Play it and weep.

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Trump is a desperate and pathetic figure. Barr and Giuliani know they have to go down with the ship, hence their continued, blind support. Anyway, Trump is a goner and the sooner the better. Now he wants to start firing people again so he can feel 'normal'. The word loser doesn't begin to describe him. He's actually a narcissistic psychopath. If I go down, you're all coming with me. If anyone needs to be locked up in January, it's Trump, his stupid sons, along with Barr and Giuliani.

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Trump faces long odds in challenging vote counts

I just now checked the odds for next president on Betfair

Joe Biden is 1.07

Donald Trump is 14

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...only “legal votes” should be counted...

That's what's called an insinuation, as transparently dishonest as befits this rogue outfit with their bag of dirty tricks.

Republican Sen. Susan Collins of Maine, who won her reelection bid and has congratulated Biden on his victory.

"Magnanimous" in victory, Maine's "Lazy Susan" is finally coming round to show us she has "learned her lesson", perhaps.

Nevertheless, the American people can't afford to take their eyes off the ball when the Republicans led by the Kentucky dirty bird are holding it.

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I can’t help but chuckle when I hear trump supporters talk about gullibility and transparency.

It'd be funny if it weren't so pathetic.

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So a few cases of fraud, "systemic fraud in our voting", American has a systemic voting fraud problem!

More like a delusion and sore loser problem...

Stay tuned.

To Russia Today...

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Seems like a fat chance there will be bipartisan work on anything in the foreseeable future.

Democrats made sure that was never going to happen during the last 4 years.

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That’s an ‘alternative fact’.

'Alternative facts'...a dangerous phrase by Kelly Anne Conway...was all predicted by Orwell and known as 'doublethink', which in essence is how lies and narrative attempt to blur truths by gas lighting and situational bias. It is what Trumpism is all about, and behoove his followers to read 1984, but undoubtedly, they'd think it was a fake book written by the fake news.

The gist of 'doublethink' is as follows:

The keyword here is blackwhite. Like so many Newspeak words, this word has two mutually contradictory meanings. Applied to an opponent, it means the habit of impudently claiming that black is white, in contradiction of the plain facts. Applied to a Party member, it means a loyal willingness to say that black is white when Party discipline demands this. But it means also the ability to believe that black is white, and more, to know that black is white, and to forget that one has ever believed the contrary. This demands a continuous alteration of the past, made possible by the system of thought which really embraces all the rest, and which is known in Newspeak as doublethink. Doublethink is basically the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.

This is exactly the dangerous ability to believe false information and/or truthful information at the same time that leads to cherry picking the info and the constant moving of the goalposts for Trump and his supporters.

This needs to stop.

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The panel disbanded without any preliminary findings.

But somehow, the minority party under the hyper watchful eyes of a hyper partisan executive branch managed to pull off fraud on a scale to defeat by over 4 million a 71 million Trump vote performance.

Yeah, right

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Did he really think he would be reelected based on his performance as the president? he is as delusional as his supporters.

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But somehow, the minority party under the hyper watchful eyes of a hyper partisan executive branch managed to pull off fraud on a scale to defeat by over 4 million a 71 million Trump vote performance.

Remember, Trump's devotees literally believe that Democratic politicians snort children's blood to give them real satanic super powers. This is a thing that they actually believe.

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“The fact that the Republicans have done better than expected in Congress and the Senate will have made him extraordinarily angry. It means that people were voting against Donald Trump in this election, but not necessarily against this party. That will have added so much salt to his narcissistic wounds.”

thats Mary Trump,

republicans outperformed expectations yet Trump still lost. He’s now whipping them back into line. Only question is if there is a line that is a step too far.

Id be paying close attention to what the pres does with the fed government monopoly on the use of force right now.

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Come on Donald, focus your efforts in your last 72 days on what really matters to you - infecting the rest of your cabinet and staff with COVID...

Meadows this week, Carson today....get in there and make it a clean sweep...

Show everyone that after 4 years of failure, you can accomplish something...

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And Trump has about as much possibility of turning the tables as he does of convincing "Melonie" (his tweet) not to leave.

But on a serious note: On the weekend when America set a record for number of new cases, which will in about 3-4 weeks time lead to a record for daily death, Joe set up a Corona task force, Trump fired the Defense Secretary on Twitter and golfed alone.

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Joe set up a Corona task force, Trump fired the Defense Secretary on Twitter and golfed alone.

Great point! Biden has already done more to try to curb the virus than Trump has, and Joe hasn't even officially started his time in office yet.

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Trump is the bottomless pit which just keeps on giving.

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Well, I have to say that I am now more than ever confident in the strength of our democracy....

This country withstood an overt attack from Russia, which helped elect a Russian stooge as President - who then did his best to try to destroy our freedom and liberty as outlined in our Constitution...

But the American people - over 74 million of them - fought off the attack and reclaimed our democracy...

We must remain cautious and alert because out enemies will try again - to usher in a Trojan Horse waving the American flag but in reality walking all over it...

Fascism and authoritarian has been defeated...for now...

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L-O-S-E-R

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It is a long shot but he is within his rights to ask for concerns to be considered or looked into.  If not, likely to be another long hot 4 tears.

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Lincoln, most of what you say is pretty far out

Fascism where?  Evidence of Russian stoogery where? 

It is that type of overblown rhetoric that has largely driven the awful state of US politics over the last 4 years.

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If you favor transparency then let challenges run their course.

BTW, the election has been certified by any state yet. There has been no electoral college vote yet. There is no "President Elect" yet.

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He still has 70 days Lincolnman

and it’s an open question if the GOP will shut him down if he tries anything.

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Lincoln, most of what you say is pretty far out

Far out? I guess you think believing JFK Jr is alive and blogging on the Dep State is normal... 5G Towers cause COVID? Clorox cures the virus? Elvis supports Biden?

Fascism where? Evidence of Russian stoogery where? 

Look at something other than Russia Today or Sputnik, you'll see it..

It is that type of overblown rhetoric that has largely driven the awful state of US politics over the last 4 years.

Overblown rhetoric? What about: "Wearing a mask is a symbol of slavery and is Anti-American". ???????

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kaerimashita

Lincoln, most of what you say is pretty far out

Fascism where? Evidence of Russian stoogery where?  

It is that type of overblown rhetoric that has largely driven the awful state of US politics over the last 4 years.

What is it that Esper did that caused him to get “terminated” over Twitter? What terrible, disloyal thing did he do?

he resisted Trumps desire to set the active duty military on US citizens, that’s what he did.

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I admire you passion, but still all of what you cite is either plain misrepresented (like the Clorox thing) or not evidence of either Fascism or his being a Russian stooge.  I don't recall seeing anywhere a mask being a symbol of slavery......

Happy for you to educate me by showing me rather than just writing talking points.

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Shameless use of the courts, but both the Democrats and the Republicans have done that too much. Still, seeing as how Trump's position is universally recognized by anyone not spineless as completely baseless... it will be a nasty but eventually pointless stain on democracy in general. He lost, no-one cheated, and he can whine and litigate people's pockets full of cash but he will be gone and the USA will survive him like it did the USSR.

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I don't recall seeing anywhere a mask being a symbol of slavery......

President Donald Trump shared a tweet on Thursday that argued the mandated use of face masks to control the spread of the coronavirus represents a "culture of silence, slavery, and social death." The argument against masks was made by a right-wing columnist in The Federalist, a conservative online publication, and claimed that mandating the safety measure was "anti-American" and signaled "indefinite government expansion."

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-shares-tweet-that-says-masks-represent-slavery-and-social-death-2020-5

Happy for you to educate me by showing me rather than just writing talking points.

I just did...you're welcome...

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Interesting what Mary Trump, niece of Trump has to say about her uncle now:

"He’ll be having meltdowns upon meltdowns right now. He has never been in a situation like this before. What’s interesting is that Donald has never won anything legitimately in his entire life, but because he has been so enabled by people along the way, he has never lost anything either. He’s the kind of person who thinks that even if you steal and cheat to win, you deserve to win."

From: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/08/mary-trump-on-the-end-of-uncle-donald-all-he-has-now-is-breaking-things

Good read! But in fact we can see this is happening.

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Trump wants to hold rallies while he makes these fraudulent claims.

What is the purpose of holding rallies? Probably to graft more money from the suckers and to incite his followers. SAD.

Why can't he just go golfing and leave the country alone?

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Hmmmm.......   Not Trump supporter.  Rather someone who feels some of the rhetoric and unsubstantiated assertions are unhelpful and sometimes just plain ridiculous.

I didn't think they needed researching as I have seen the video on the Clorox (he didn't say inject Clorox but rather asked a doctor a flippant question along those lines), have seen the whole Russia hoax convincingly disproven (by the Senate and the DoJ et al and have not seen Fascist rallies or concentration camps or censorship or anything that might smack of "Fascism" or "totalitarianism".  If anything the democratic and media institutions in the US have worked against his agenda.....

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It won’t take long to realize that not only Trump but you (we) all have lost by a very small margin, and with very severe consequences for generations to come.

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