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Trump, fighting contempt fines, says he doesn't have records

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https://abcnews.go.com/US/grand-jury-investigating-donald-trump-criminal-conduct-end/story?id=84350429

He's going to be fine.

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He's going to be fine.

Yup.

-8 ( +1 / -9 )

I said it the other day. You can’t give what you don’t have.

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I said it the other day. You can’t give what you don’t have.

Then he and his lawyers are breaking the law. Pay up. Do you think “I shredded my drivers license” would be a good defense for a dui?

The Law and Order party again. Next time you inevitably bring up laptops let’s just say “you can’t give what you don’t have” and leave it at that, shall we?

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It's a fine day every day.

the former president claims he didn't turn over subpoenaed documents to the state attorney general’s office because he doesn't have them.

Can't find the documents? I'm fine with that. Just keep paying that fine.

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Then he and his lawyers are breaking the law.

Prove it. The courts can’t.

Pay up. Do you think “I shredded my drivers license” would be a good defense for a dui?

Again, how can the occurs prove that the documents are in his possession?

The Law and Order party again. Next time you inevitably bring up laptops let’s just say “you can’t give what you don’t have” and leave it at that, shall we?

Guess so

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Donald Trump's lawyers, seeking to reverse their client's $10,000-per-day contempt fine, provided a New York judge Friday with an affidavit in which the former president claims he didn't turn over subpoenaed documents to the state attorney general’s office because he doesn't have them.

The judge, though, was unmoved and refused to lift sanctions he imposed on Trump on Monday. Judge Arthur Engoron criticized the lack of detail in Trump affidavit, which amounted to two paragraphs, saying that he should have explained the methods he uses to stores his records and efforts he made to locate the subpoenaed files.

Losing...

Trump's lawyers - what a bunch of incompetent buffoons...maybe it's time for Rudy to host another press conference at a lumber yard across from an adult bookstore...

They already have the evidence of his tax and insurance fraud - they got his taxes even though he tried to hide them, and Cohen told them where he fudged all the numbers on Trump's direction...

Trump's only hope is that The Kraken actually shows up this time...otherwise it's welcome to Rikers Island...

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Losing...

Hardly.

Yes, losing is hard...costs him $10K a day.....LOL...

Trump's lawyers - what a bunch of incompetent buffoons...

Maybe they took a page from Hillary’s playbook. But who knows..

Hillary - still living in his head after five years....

They already have the evidence of his tax and insurance fraud -

They had Hillary’s server, but what about the other 30,000 emails still missing?

See above...

they got his taxes even though he tried to hide them, and Cohen told them where he fudged all the numbers on Trump's direction...

And yet, to seal the case they need the other documents,

They already have them - his tax forms which he tried to hide - and failed....

https://apnews.com/article/supreme-court-donald-trump-tax-rercords-3aee14146906351ee9dd34aa7b6f4386

Trump's only hope is that The Kraken actually shows up this time...otherwise it's welcome to Rikers Island...

That just won’t happen and the Dems know it.

Keep praying...even if he beats the tax charge, he'll still face a judge for his obstruction call to Raffensberger and for those "fraudulent electors and fake, phony certification lists"...

Maybe we can get an explanation of those today?

5 ( +6 / -1 )

Yes, losing is hard...costs him $10K a day.....LOL...

Soon to be dropped

Hillary - still living in his head after five years....

As with the people suffering from DTS

They already have them - his tax forms which he tried to hide - and failed....

Congress, for its part, has been engaged in an investigation of the insurrection, and though many more details have been brought to light, it’s unlikely to end in the imprisonment of the former president.

https://apnews.com/article/supreme-court-donald-trump-tax-rercords-3aee14146906351ee9dd34aa7b6f4386

Keep praying...even if he beats the tax charge, he'll still face a judge for his obstruction call to Raffensberger and for those "fraudulent electors and fake, phony certification lists"...

More fines to pay, no biggie.

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Yes, losing is hard...costs him $10K a day.....LOL...

Soon to be dropped

Soon to be raised....LOL....

Hillary - still living in his head after five years....

As with the people suffering from DTS

Thanks for admitting Hillary is still haunting your brain...that cackling must be tough to live with...

They already have them - his tax forms which he tried to hide - and failed....

Congress, for its part, has been engaged in an investigation of the insurrection,

Indeed - and the hearings start in Jun - more e-mails, more tapes...can't wait...what will McCarthy lie about next...

Keep praying...even if he beats the tax charge, he'll still face a judge for his obstruction call to Raffensberger and for those "fraudulent electors and fake, phony certification lists"...

More fines to pay, no biggie.

Thanks for admitting he's guilty...

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Soon to be raised....LOL....

That won’t help the courts or the Dems counter lawsuit brewing. They don’t even have a shred of proof the man has these documents in his possession.

Thanks for admitting Hillary is still haunting your brain...

Just like Trump is haunting the Dems brains, but that will end in a few months once the GOP takeover.

Indeed - and the hearings start in Jun

and end quickly after another Kabuki theater hearing like the last 3 attempted and failed trials

Thanks for admitting he's guilty...

I never said that nor implied that and stop putting words in my mouth. You guys one again are getting way over your heads and into a fourth disappointment.

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Then he and his lawyers are breaking the law. 

Prove it. The courts can’t.

They did. That’s why he’s paying a daily fine. Read the article, just one time.

I’ll help you, paragraph 8 last sentence.

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Soon to be raised....LOL....

That won’t help the courts or the Dems counter lawsuit brewing.

Sure, you can say that - you're not forking over $10K each day....LOL...

Thanks for admitting Hillary is still haunting your brain...

Just like Trump is haunting the Dems brains, but that will end in a few months once the GOP takeover.

"Just like" - one more admission of Hillary living rent free in your brain...wow, that cackling....

Indeed - and the hearings start in Jun

and end quickly after another Kabuki theater hearing like the last 3 attempted and failed trials

So, what do you think McCarthy will lie about this time?

Thanks for admitting he's guilty...

I never said that nor implied that...

You said exactly that - you said he'd "pay a fine" - you don't get fined unless you are convicted....therefore, you admitted he's guilty... Glad the light bulb finally came on....

Nothing on the fraudulent electors and fake lists? Not surprising....

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The great debater strikes again with the “no, you are” defense. Anyone with a minimal amount of intelligence surpassed that in 1st grade. Embarrassing.

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Well this is going to be expensive. Trump better start looking a bit harder, because at $10,000 / day, is going to rack up.

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Can't wait for the mid-term elections. Woke vs Whacky! It's amazing how USA finds time to cause trouble abroad when there's so much trouble inside the country.

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how can the occurs prove that the documents are in his possession?

Because the Trump legal team has failed to explain in what ways Trump keeps records. And at the same time it argues that Trump is sure the records are not in his possession. It is beyond plausibility that a large business wouldn’t know about its own important paperwork.

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We can assume the missing records have been flushed down the Trump's toilet or disappeared by some other ingenious method employed by this master of mendacity who, taking full advantage of America's laughable lack of accountability for white-collar crime, has had a lifetime's experience of grifting and obstructing justice with impunity. My growing suspicion since January 6 is that the wagons of the deep-state have been surreptitiously circled around the former 45th POTUS and the career politicians in both houses who have aided and abetted that crook and betrayed their oaths of office and shredded the constitution to provide them all with "get-out-of-jail free passes". The stench of silence wafting down from the head of the rotting head of America's body politic suggests that the "institutionalist" masters of "moving on" have been conspiring behind closed doors to "spare" the American people the spectacle of jailing disgraced criminal office holders of all stripes despite the wishes of the majority who have little reason believe any more that justice matters in MAGAmerica.

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Because the Trump legal team has failed to explain in what ways Trump keeps records. And at the same time it argues that Trump is sure the records are not in his possession.

Exactly.

It is beyond plausibility that a large business wouldn’t know about its own important paperwork.

That will be the argument. And to that point there is no way they can prove the documents are in his possession, they could fine him until he’s technically totally broke (which is the real goal, let’s not kid ourselves here) and then they would just wrap up the case and forget it.

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Well this is going to be expensive. Trump better start looking a bit harder, because at $10,000 / day, is going to rack up.

That’s not going to last. Probably the courts will reverse that penalty. Either way, the Dems are going to lose on this one as well and they know it because with the obsession 24/7 these people have of Trump, had these people some real evidence that could derail or get this guy they would have done it. But yeah, it’s all political candy theater for the Trump hating masses, nothing more.

-7 ( +0 / -7 )

Executing a search warrant on relevant Trump properties would clear the matter up unambiguously. If Mr. Trump was not being truthful that too could have consequence. Perjury is a felony with significant jail time. I don't imagine a judge would be disposed towards leniency the perjury was directed at her.

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there is no way they can prove the documents are in his possession, they could fine him until he’s technically totally broke (which is the real goal, let’s not kid ourselves here) and then they would just wrap up the case and forget it.

lol

Either way, the Dems are going to lose on this one as well and they know it because with the obsession 24/7 these people have of Trump, had these people some real evidence that could derail or get this guy they would have done it. But yeah, it’s all political candy theater for the Trump hating masses, nothing more.

In a cartoon universe.

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That’s not going to last. Probably the courts will reverse that penalty. 

Based on testimony to the Grand Jury the prosecutors already know what documents exist and where. There has been a parade of witnesses testifying before the Grand Jury about what went on and what paperwork was generated by the Trump organization including who approved payments, what real estate was valued for tax, insurance and bank loan purposes.. They already have knowledge of who approved payments and signed documents. The prosecutors are not operating in a vacuum but having the documents in hand makes their case air tight. I suspect the next move will be to execute a search warrant. If Mr. Trumps signed affidavit to the court proves incorrect and the documents are in his premises or homes he could face charges of perjury.

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In a cartoon universe.

The Democrats are indeed living in a cartoon universe for sure. Lol

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Woke vs Whacky

Woke. Sigh. I get tired of being disparaged for having a moral conscience. If treating women as man's equal, acknowledging racism and sexism exists today and affects real lives, and not seeing the world in a binary black/white, good/bad way preferring the Confucian idea of Yin-Yang, accepting the world around us is filled with ambiguity and uncertainty and trying to live with that are considered to be bad qualities then this world has gone to hades. I call it having a conscience and being willing to question my point of view regularly when confronted with new information. Dogmatic rigidity is killing us.

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Based on testimony to the Grand Jury the prosecutors already know what documents exist and where.

Not always true. That’s one reason why Trump’s lawyers made that claim, they wouldn’t have done it had they not seen a loophole in that one flaw. Good strategic move by his lawyers.

There has been a parade of witnesses testifying before the Grand Jury about what went on and what paperwork was generated by the Trump organization including who approved payments, what real estate was valued for tax, insurance and bank loan purposes..

We know.

They already have knowledge of who approved payments and signed documents. The prosecutors are not operating in a vacuum but having the documents in hand makes their case air tight. I suspect the next move will be to execute a search warrant. If Mr. Trumps signed affidavit to the court proves incorrect and the documents are in his premises or homes he could face charges of perjury.

So basically, they really don’t or have any evidence of serious crimes related and regarding to January 6th so this will fall by the wayside like the other 2 impeachment attempts and the failed Mueller investigation. Interesting. But I really understand why the Dems are desperately going on a limb to at least give their constituents the visual impression that they are doing something productive in regards of 1/6.

Again, visually it looks exciting for the left, legally, they’re tearing their hair follicles out.

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Trump is trying to delay, delay, delay. He's expert at it. The judge should up the contempt fine weekly. Double it each week until Trump's people find the documents.

Just because he claims he doesn't have them, that doesn't mean he doesn't know where they are or who else has them. Not the careful way he and his lawyers state things.

He's a proven liar. A national newspaper counted all his lies from the time he was in office and it was over 30,000 lies.

Heck, a judge CAN place someone in jail when fines aren't sufficient to get them to follow the court's order. Let him sit there a year until he can magically produce the documents. Had other judges done that 25 yrs ago, he would be such a poor human being today.

And let's be clear. Trump isn't a Republican. He simply saw a party with no good leaders lined up, used social networks to push himself and the fed up republics voted for him because the other GOP members running were extremely boring. After all, Pence isn't exactly exciting to anyone in the party. I'd want to check his pulse to see if he were still alive.

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Trump is trying to delay, delay, delay. He's expert at it. The judge should up the contempt fine weekly. Double it each week until Trump's people find the documents.

And if he really doesn’t have them then what?

Just because he claims he doesn't have them, that doesn't mean he doesn't know where they are or who else has them.

If he doesn’t know then what?

Not the careful way he and his lawyers state things.

So how can you prove it?

He's a proven liar.

So is this administration and your point?

A national newspaper counted all his lies from the time he was in office and it was over 30,000 lies.

Now imagine if they counted all the lies of this and the previous administrations, it would blow your mind!

Heck, a judge CAN place someone in jail when fines aren't sufficient to get them to follow the court's order. Let him sit there a year until he can magically produce the documents. Had other judges done that 25 yrs ago, he would be such a poor human being today.

So in other words the judge should just ignore the law and incarcerate Trump based on emotion and revenge? Why?

And let's be clear. Trump isn't a Republican.

He’s a conservative loving American.

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this will fall by the wayside like the other 2 impeachment attempts and the failed Mueller investigation.

lol

This is not an impeachment case, FYI. This has nothing to do with left-right politics. The GOP cannot bail Trump out of this one, even when they regain power later this year. Neither can Fox ‘n little friends.

Tick tock. Trump sure is looking sweaty these days.

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He’s a conservative loving American.

Trump uses conservatives to get what he wants. He’s a pathetic charlatan and opportunist. A con man. And someday he will face justice.

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Well. if Trump does avoid jail (unlikely), and secures the Repub nomination, (doubtful), and somehow wins (nearly impossible)....then I can't wait to see the look on his supporters faces when he enacts new laws restricting weapons...

No more "concealed carry" pineapples, tomatoes, and bananas...

https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-feared-dangerous-fruit-would-be-flung-at-him-at-events-2022-4

Now we know why there's always a pile of banana peels outside the entrances to Trump's rallies - no lethal weapons allowed inside...

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This is not an impeachment case, FYI.

I know that, conservatives know that, but do the Dems know it??

This has nothing to do with left-right politics.

Oh, yes it does. Denying that critical point is nothing out pure delusion.

The GOP cannot bail Trump out of this one,

They don’t have to because nothing other than paying hefty fines is going to happen. Try and read some of the previous articles I sent, the Dems know they have nothing on Trump this is all political theater for their base to let them have their pound of flesh.

Tick tock. Trump sure is looking sweaty these days

No, he doesn’t. But I get the liberals are because as you say, time is not on their side, no, it’s really not. November is just right around the corner. Tick Tock!

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Trump uses conservatives to get what he wants.

Yeah, a safe and free American which seems something the Dems hate these days

He’s a pathetic charlatan and opportunist.

half the country didn’t think so

A con man. And someday he will face justice.

Yeah, yeah, 7 years and we keep hearing that. You need to convicted of crime to be considered a criminal. Doesn’t look like it’s shaping up in the manner the Dems wanted. Lol

-7 ( +0 / -7 )

Well. if Trump does avoid jail (unlikely)

Likely

, and secures the Repub nomination, (doubtful),

Him or DeSantis other than that, that’s it.

and somehow wins (nearly impossible)....

After two years of destroying this nation if Democrats can get elected to run a McDonald’s would be a huge accomplishment.

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