Trump floats idea of election delay

PROOF that Trump is preparing to not accept the result of the November election - is what the America hating left will say.

I wonder if the Dems will accept defeat this time around if they lose? They still haven't accepted the 2016 result so I'm guessing no.

Good thing it's not his choice.

Suspending elections on a pretext with unevidenced allegations and no clear point as to when they would be held again.

This is Trump's first step on the road to making himself Dictator. His true colours shine even more brightly than before. Luckily not even his fans are taking him seriously this time.

Thankfully he will be gone in a few months.

bahahahaha no way.

he can dream about it.

This is going to get ugly as I don't see him accepting a loss.

Are we really going to have to watch a former President and his family get forcibly removed from the White House if he loses?

PROOF that Trump is preparing to not accept the result of the November election - is what the America hating left will say.

That is the only logical conclusion if you follow the logic of Trump. He feels that the election should be suspended because the result is not reliable. Therefore if he loses in November, he will consider the result fraudulent and not be prepared to accept it.

He will have to leave office, but he will always say that he was the winner. Many of his supporters will believe him.

Are we really going to have to watch a former President and his family get forcibly removed from the White House if he loses?

I really hope so!

And his supporters still claim he, Barr and the billionaires backing them aren't trying to undermine the republic's few remaining democratic principles to install him as some sort of authoritarian 'supreme leader'. Trump's serving the needs of his fellow 'elite' while ignoring the general population. (see virus death counts, record unemployment, smashed economy, etc.)

Trump wants to be like Putin and Xi. Now that his attacks on American citizens (see Trump-troops assault 'Democratic' cities) has joined the long list of his failures, will he try another wag-the-dog, this time attack a foreign country.

In April, Joe Biden stated that Trump would look for a way to delay or cancel the election. At the time, Trump's campaign said it was a foolish comment from a 'losing candidate.'

Now, come July, Trump is doing just what people have figured for awhile.

But here's the thing, Trump. You can bluster, you can try and find an excuse, but come November 3, there will be an election. And come the time the votes are counted in that election, you will have lost.

This isn't pro-wrestling, Donald. You can't do a 'run-in' and get a DQ, where 'champion's advantage' lets you keep your title. Or where you can claim rematch after rematch, and your job is to be a 'heel.'

You are, and have been, over your head since the day you took office. And come November 3, you will be FIRED.

I mean who didn't see this coming. The man is a goldmine of stupid.

And there it is.

I’ll be glad when this buffoon is gone.

Well he certainly doesn't have to participate if he doesn't want to, but the rest of us will be having the election on time.

We voted during the Civil War, The Great Depression, and WWII. We can vote this year too.

PROOF that Trump is preparing to not accept the result of the November election - is what the America hating left will say

Does the America hating right want to see Trump overthrow the principles of the republic and be installed as dictator?

JT's resident Trump fan club will be logging on soon.

Can't wait to see how they spin this one. Justifiy it or dismiss it as a joke?

Can't wait to see how they spin this one. Justifiy it or dismiss it as a joke?

I'm going to guess both?

Does the America hating right want to see Trump overthrow the principles of the republic and be installed as dictator?

They are willing to kill themselves from a pandemic just to "own the libs".

What do you think?

It’s safe for kids to go back to school but not for people to vote?????

trump is scared!!!

Slow news day .No Trump supporters out this morning.

Well he certainly doesn't have to participate if he doesn't want to, but the rest of us will be having the election on time.

It's a bit late for him to back out now. With defeat looking all the more certain, what will be interesting is how he behaves in the months between November and January. Imagine an angry, spoiled child with more power than any other human being on earth and who knows he is no longer accountable to the electorate.

Terrifying!

PROOF that Trump is preparing to not accept the result of the November election - is what the America hating left will say. 

Not proof, just another piece of evidence to throw on the ever growing pile.

I wonder if the Dems will accept defeat this time around if they lose? They still haven't accepted the 2016 result so I'm guessing no.

Its always the case in the US that half the population can’t accept the result when their candidate loses. But the candidates themselves have always accepted it until now. Trump probably won’t because he is going to lose and he sucks.

if people can put on a mask and go to the store they can put on a mask to go vote. Masks plus social distancing works right?

we shouldn’t still be counting votes weeks later like NY state did.

Slow news day .No Trump supporters out this morning.

They're waiting to find what Hannity/Limbaugh/Alex Jones/RT/Sputnik/Brietbart plus their favorite 'influencers' on youtube and 8chan plus of course the Republican rapid response team say before they parrot.

Trump is going to lose and he knows it. I love this reality show by Trump. its so crazy! A good watch. Trump is going to look so silly when he must leave the White House that he himself defaces. He needs to be kicked out. Call the para-military!

Mr. Trump claims that while "Absentee Voting" is just fine, "Vote by Mail" will lead to the "most corrupt election" in US history. Absetee voting and vote by mail are two terms for the same thing. Whether I submit an "Absentee Ballot" in the mail because I plan to be away from my voting district on election day or I submit a "Vote by Mail" ballot from my home to avoid a crowd at a polling place, the documents one submits and the process by which the legitimacy of the voter is determined and the vote counted is identical. It is a distinction without a difference. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence ought to be able to see this. It isn't hard to understand. The claim that voting by mail will lead to massive voter fraud is not based on fact but an appeal to inchoate fear. With any other President I would say it is beneath him to say these things It is certainly beneath the office of the President.

Does the America hating right want to see Trump overthrow the principles of the republic and be installed as dictator?

Do you really believe that will happen? Lol. The America hating left have lost it completely. It's funny. And I'm not even a fan of Trump ;-)

So... will the Dems accept the result if Trump wins? Like they didn't in 2016. I'm guessing no.

Nearly two-thirds of U.S. voters say progressive activists will respond with violence if Trump wins reelection, according to a new Just the News Daily Poll with Scott Rasmussen.

Wow, even the usual suspects here are quiet on this predictable idea by Trump. He's already lining up his excuses for losing. The man is sick and has to go. 2016-2020 will be forever known as the US's lost years thanks to this miserably failed experiment. Trump has wasted everyone's time (and I mean everyone!) and money.

Numerous cases of ballots not received, ballots not counted, incorrect counting.

Arguments about when is the last day it can be mailed and received. Who is going to handcount plus validate 140 million ballots correctly to give results on Election Day not weeks later?

put on mask, googles, face shield whatever you need and go vote

I guess Trumpy boy has realized he's not going to win, and is looking for hail marys now.

Not even close.

you have to provide proof of who you are when you request an absentee ballot.

universal mail in a ballot arrives at each persons house without them asking for it.

That voter could be deceased, moved, not a citizen or a family pet.

Absetee voting and vote by mail are two terms for the same thing.

Not gonna happen.

Can't wait to see how they spin this one. Justifiy it or dismiss it as a joke?

Lol. The America hating left have spun so much they can't tell up from down. Wait! That must be the reason for all the down votes on my comments.

Ahh Obama. Now there was a respectable man who knew how to lead.

So masks goggles and face shields don’t protect you? People can go to shop and others can riot “safely” but can’t vote? Why?

When toadies like McConnell and McCarthy oppose trump you can imagine how wrong he is.

His latest briefing, he tried to say that this upcoming election would be the biggest fraud in US history. Then he started rambling on about not believing polls and this all China's fault. So, he was basically spreading an excuse for his lost, and at the same time, telling people that nothing is his fault, and he wants the election today.

So masks goggles and face shields don’t protect you? People can go to shop and others can riot “safely” but can’t vote? Why?

Heh, I have schadenfreude at your outrage that America is about to totally ignore, and instead go on and have an election on election day.

Boo hoo hey.

you have to provide proof of who you are when you request an absentee ballot.

Aww, it must be frustrating that America has stopped wasting time listening to your team's inanity.

so NY took over 1 month to count just their votes, with numerous errors and delays.

Will liberals really accept the results if Trump wins? Especially if he is losing the first day and then weeks later is found to have won? no you wont.

So we shouldnt even go down this path.

If he doesn't get a second term the statute of limitations won't run out on some pending indictments by the Federal Prosecutor for the Southern District of New York. Specifically there are some campaign finance laws he is accused of violating based on the use of campaign funds to pay hush money to Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal. These are criminal violations with a statute of limitations of five years. There are also grounds to indict him on obstruction of justice for attempting to fire Robert Mueller, for going around his attorney Paul McGahn and having Cory Lewandowski personally deliver a letter from Mr. Trump to then Attorney General Jeff Sessions directing him to give a speech stating, among other things, that he would meet with Mueller and limit his investigation to “investigating election meddling for future elections” as opposed to the 2016 presidential election. In a follow up meeting with Mr. Lewandowski where it became apparent Mr. Sessions had refused to meet Mr. Lewandowski hMr. Trump told Mr. Lewandowski to tell Mr. Sessions that if he did not take the letter from Mr. Lewandowski he was fired. Mr. Trump could go directly from the White House to be booked for criminal offenses with significant jail sentences. I don't think Mr.Biden would be inclined to pardon him either. And these are just possible Federal charges. New York state wants a piece of him too.

So masks goggles and face shields don’t protect you? People can go to shop and others can riot “safely” but can’t vote? Why?

So do you agree that the election should be suspended or not? Prattling on about face masks is just dodging the question.

Trump's loss is going EPIC...

The insane Republican zombie party must die along with its' orange moron-monsta.

RIP to Herman Cain - died of covid he got at Tump's rally.

Gotta wonder why Trump stopped having them...

Absentee voting has a process. And all 160 million voters dont use it so its manageable enough. To you a fair and honest election is just any one that Trump loses, no matter how or why. To me I want all the votes counted timely and accurately with no fraud allowed.

Aww, it must be frustrating that America has stopped wasting time listening to your team's inanity.

Will liberals really accept the results if Trump wins?

We did in 2016.

But that doesn't mean we don't enjoy rubbing it in your face that the people hated Trump more than they hated Hillary - she got 3 million more votes. Of course, that's not what wins the election, but it shows what the people thought of Trump.

And that was before four years of failure

He will have to leave office, but he will always say that he was the winner.

Yeah, from his padded cell, but nobody will hear him.

The election will be a wipe-out for Republicans and the America hating right whose five-year delirium, "In Trump We Trust", can only come to a sticky end in a landslide-loss. You don't need to be a clinical psychologist to recognize the classic symptoms of the Dunning-Kruger syndrome in the pathological antics of the "Landslide Loser". Desperate Donald is just doing what he learned from an early age: bully, bate and bluster, and the unsubtle hints of an irregular election are nothing but the swan song of classic Chump, a sad old windbag winding up the world while covid rages out of control.

Lol. The America hating left have spun so much they can't tell up from down. Wait! That must be the reason for all the down votes on my comments.

No, the real reason for your down votes is that they don't make a lot of sense.

So... will the Dems accept the result if Trump wins? Like they didn't in 2016. I'm guessing no.

They did accept in 2016 and they will accept it in 2020 if Trump wins again. The only person calling for the suspension of democracy is Donald Trump. By failing to condemn him, but instead making tirades against the imaginary foe of the "America hating lefts" you show that you tacitly support his treasonous tactic.

Absentee voting has a process. And all 160 million voters dont use it so its manageable enough. To you a fair and honest election is just any one that Trump loses, no matter how or why. To me I want all the votes counted timely and accurately with no fraud allowed.

Yes yes. You've said stuff like this. It's meaningless, America has decided otherwise.

Trump will lose in 2020. Then he'll pretend he didn't. This is fact (facts are defined by Blacklabel).

"Not even close.

you have to provide proof of who you are when you request an absentee ballot.

universal mail in a ballot arrives at each persons house without them asking for it.

That voter could be deceased, moved, not a citizen or a family pet."

The process and the actual paper ballots used are identical. Each ballot is verified to have come from the registered voter identically. The ballots have to be signed and the signatures checked against those on the registrar's records. There is no way to tell one from the other when being counted because. There is literally no difference between "Absentee Ballots" or "Vote by Mail" They are identical.

@Black

Numerous cases of ballots not received, ballots not counted, incorrect counting.

Arguments about when is the last day it can be mailed and received. Who is going to handcount plus validate 140 million ballots correctly to give results on Election Day not weeks later?

put on mask, googles, face shield whatever you need and go vote

Funny enough, those missing ballots always happened when Republicans are elected to office.

Remember how those Florida ballots went missing when Bush Jr. was elected and his brother was governor.

Once again. modern Republicans since the 70s have a history of cheating during National elections.

Projecting much!

It begins. Who knew that Republicans, who have such "great" respect for the constitution, would fall in line behind a president who willingly attempts to violate it at every turn.

I've been saying this since 2008 after Obama was elected and Republican leaders said they would try to stop him at every step of the way simply out of spite. The Republican party is a joke, the party that claims to be for morals and values only sticks to those morals when it benefits them or their party.

The Environment, the planet, our home should be top priority for any politician, any person voting. How is it not?

Can someone find me the link that Trump has already lost the election though I swore it was on November 3rd?

“if people can put on a mask and go to the store they can put on a mask to go vote. Masks plus social distancing works right? 

we shouldn’t still be counting votes weeks later like NY state did.”

But where are the clowns? Send in the clowns. Don’t bother, they’re here......

Trump floats idea of election delay

He sure trolled everyone on JT, haha

This is going to get ugly as I don't see him accepting a loss.

Yeah it's been really ugly since 2016 with the Democrats and liberals not accepting their loss. What's up with that, by the way?

“Glad I was able to get the very dishonest LameStream Media to finally start talking about the RISKS to our Democracy from dangerous Universal Mail-In-Voting

He has called remote voting options the “biggest risk” to his reelection. His campaign and the Republican Party have sued to combat the practice, which was once a significant advantage for the GOP.

It was? Tell me, why would mail-in voting be a significant advantage for either party? It shouldn't be, right? Now here we have "was once a significant advantage for the GOP."

If that be the case, then, oh my, it could be a significant advantage for the Democrats this time around. Right? Right? Nah, it'll be fine.

"President Kamala Tupac for sure Harris" What could go wrong?

universal mail in a ballot arrives at each persons house without them asking for it.

It's the same vetting as absentee ballot. You have to be a registered voter and it goes to the address of record of the voter, and the ballot is validated as belonging to the voter when it arrives.

I've been saying this since 2008 after Obama was elected and Republican leaders said they would try to stop him at every step of the way simply out of spite. The Republican party is a joke, the party that claims to be for morals and values only sticks to those morals when it benefits them or their party.

One of our far-right extremists on this site tried to claim that this was in retaliation for Democrats actions during the Bush years.

Talk about a ridiculously false equivalency.

He sure trolled everyone on JT, haha

Just what America needs in the middle of a pandemic when the country is burning down with riots and protests. A troll leading the country.

I wonder how the 150,000+ dead feel about his troll-leadership.

Anybody could have seen this coming a mile away. Next, he's going to abolish the two term limit. The sky's the limit with this man-child. He is mentally disturbed and damaged. Carry on and it will be a landslide in November.

American election voter system security is laughable. A smart teenager with a laptop and the correct software can disrupt/hack any election from the carpark outside a polling station. I'm surprised more people haven't seen the documentary Kill Chain: The Cyber War on America's Elections, where the relative ease with which elections can be hacked is clearly shown.

The only reliable election system is good old pen and paper, which is probably why Trump and his minions are trying to discredit it.

Only an act of congress can enact the legislation to delay the November US Election.

President Trump must stand on the hustings, present his policies, and fight his corner.

No evasive slippery ducking and diving….

I see how things operate around here. People can't answer a simple question so they downvote. Someone please provide me with the link that the election is already finished and Biden was the overwhelming winning.

Well, lets just say the Tweet had its intended purpose.

Sure, and when all of this will this verification happen? Election night? how many months will this take for 160 million ballots in thousands of locations?

The process and the actual paper ballots used are identical. Each ballot is verified to have come from the registered voter identically. The ballots have to be signed and the signatures checked against those on the registrar's records.

American election voter system security is laughable. A smart teenager with a laptop and the correct software can disrupt/hack any election from the carpark outside a polling station. I'm surprised more people haven't seen the documentary Kill Chain: The Cyber War on America's Elections, where the relative ease with which elections can be hacked is clearly shown.

But, but, from the article we have this gem:

Election security experts say that voter fraud is rare in all forms of balloting, including by mail.

Makes you wonder who is smarter, these experts or the teenagers with their laptops.

Since everyone else here is offering their predictions of Trump becoming the first dictator of the US then I'd like to offer mine, if I may.

The election won't be delayed.

Trump will win. By a clear margin.

The Dems won't accept the defeat - again. As a result there will be more riots.

Then we'll have 4 more years of the same nonsense from the America hating left.

In the extremely unlikely even that Biden wins...

Trump will leave office.

As if he finally found better excuse?that is when being confirmed he lost at election

then how did someone's cat get a registration form? How are forms being received for deceased people and for people who moved? They are planning to send a ballot to every "eligible" person, not just registered voters.

It's the same vetting as absentee ballot. You have to be a registered voter and it goes to the address of record of the voter, and the ballot is validated as belonging to the voter when it arrives.

Only an act of congress can enact the legislation to delay the November US Election.

President Trump must stand on the hustings, present his policies, and fight his corner.

No evasive slippery ducking and diving….

trump does not have the courage to stand in front of Congress. Remember he ran from the trial in which he was impeached like Nixon and Clinton!

LOL!

Well, lets just say the Tweet had its intended purpose.

AND? As a Trump whisper, please do tell what the intended purpose was.

do you not think that biased poll workers on both sides could disqualify a ballot for the person of the opposite party?

Signature doesnt match, invalid. Name doesnt match, invalid. Wrong color ink. Postmark date not clear.

Why were almost 20% of the ballots rejected in the NJ Democrat primary election recently?

its safe to go shopping and riot, its safe to go vote. Especially by November. We cant change the entire voting system less than 100 days before the election to allow receipt of ballots received 7-10 days after election day to still be counted.

While Trump has come back before after trailing consistently in the polls throughout 2016, the survey data has raised the possibility that he could face a landslide loss if he doesn’t turn things around.

Lessee, who should I vote for...

A third party candidate with no chance of winning the election

Joe Biden ( or whoever his VP is ), who will raise everyone's taxes, sell us out to China and nominate liberals to be on the Supreme Court

Donald Trump

Trump it is!

then how did someone's cat get a registration form?

A common strawman and fallacy bandied about is how registration forms are being sent out.

Here's the thing: Registration forms aren't ballots. Which is why there is verification steps taken to register to vote, and then to vote itself.

But please, keep going on with it. Much like the ranting against Stella The McDonald's Lady, the right wing keeps just babbling incoherently without actually telling the truth on the matter.

Absentee/mail in voting is as secure as in person voting. Study after study has proven it.

Well, if Trump loses, he can always run again in 2024.

No US President has the mandate or the power to delay a US Election, the concept is a non-starter…. The whole process is enshrined in the constitution.

Trump is an idiot. The only thing more scary than Trump is that there are actually people who support him

Speaking at Rep John Lewis's funeral in Atlanta, former President Barack Obama implicitly addressed his successor's policies on voting. -- article

If people can violate Dr. Fauci's dictum of social distancing and sit should-to-shoulder in a church for John Lewis wearing masks, they can certainly gather to cast votes in person wearing masks. Bring your photo ID or stay home.

Trump is going to lose BIGLY. That’s why he’s flailing. -33% growth in the quarter 150,000 preventable deaths All on his watch. “I alone can fix it!” Remember that? He’s a fraud and even his supporters know it deep down

no, he cannot delay an election. So he’ll do the next best thing. Counter-sue. Muddy the waters, walk away claiming victory. It’s what he did with his casinos. It’s what he did with his “university”. It’s his whole life. His entire life is a testament to failure.

Trump already lost the popular vote once. His reaction was to throw out a bunch of unsubstantiated claims about fraud that he never proved.

I'd say he has a track record.

If I skim down through the comments I bet I will find a few that basically say, "I agree with whatever Donald Trump says no matter how stupid it is, because I've invested so much ego in backing the guy that I'd look like an idiot if I started criticising anything now."

When trump's bags are dumped outside 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in January 2021, he might get the record crowds and TV viewership he was pining for!!!!!

Also, just a reminder, Trump is entitled to lifetime secret service protection so he'll be a burden on US tax payers long after he's gone.

Ain't gonna happen. Trump might as well as suggest he be made President for life. The bigger problem is that obviously going to lose the election, and just as obviously do everything to refuse to recognize the results. He will continue to destroy the country even after he is dragged out of the White House by force.

SerranoToday  08:46 am JST

Lessee, who should I vote for...

David Zucker said that after An American Carol he was done making conservative comedies. Smart man.

According to Trump, there was huge electoral fraud in the last election which saw millions of illegals voting for Clinton.

I heard Alex Jones ( Trump is a fan ) was putting the idea of electoral fraud on a huge scale about in 2016. Is this one a Trump original or has he picked this one up off the net?

so in the states that dont do mail in balloting, are there already approved guidelines as to how ballots will be sent, who will get them and when they need to be returned- as well as how to validate and count them? I havent seen anything like this.

Please share if you have seen it. Otherwise we are trying to change our whole system of voting 90 days befor an election.

laugh if you want about a cat getting a form, but that same list will be used to send the ballots to each person. I have seen no documents that say only registered voters will get a ballot. Even if so, what is to prevent a person from voting mail in and in person? Of course we will find out about it much later. but after someone has already been reelected.

Amendment XII. Election of President....

The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate......................

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/amendment-12

No picking and choosing a date to suit.

I read this article just to see how many uninformed, jeering comments there would be from the Trump haters. I wonder to what extent they truly represent Japan's ex-pat, English-speaking community. It's a depressing thought...It might be noted that leading American conservatives are very much opposed to the very idea of postponing the election. Donald Trump is his own worst enemy, but have any of you who loathe him so much considered what the alternatives are? (I speak as a Japanese citizen who has no intention of living in the United States.)

to show the contradiction of the position that you can shop or stand in line at Starbucks safely with a mask and social distancing but cant do the same to vote. Can congregate in huge groups to protest safely all night long every single day- but cant stand in line to vote.

he knows we cant move the election date, so the only choice is to vote in person on that date. Mail in voting has no approval, structure, methods, rules, nothing. You cant create those in 45 states, get agreement, train workers and implement in less than 90 days. We cant have our election results not known for over a month like in New York.

AND? As a Trump whisper, please do tell what the intended purpose was.

If "universal mail in voting" and "absentee voting" are the exact same thing, why is it necessary that they have different names? why would it be necessary to implement universal mail in voting?

Cant every single person just "absentee vote" then? anyone who requested a ballot absentee will get it, and can mail it back. If you didnt request one you wont get it.

its obvious that Dems want people to get ballots who didnt ask for them. why?

Electorate should be more concerned a bout the choice on the ballot paper Biden, Trump, it doesn't rouse or galvanize quality, confidence, or plausibility.

And there you have it....

Putin pushes a new law that will allow him to stay in power for the next 20 years....

Trump then tries the same thing....

Dancing Donald - Putin's Puppet...

PROOF that Trump is preparing to not accept the result of the November election - is what the America hating left will say.

Wretched lefties, accusing Trump of casting doubt on the validity of the election and threatening to cancel it, based only on

-checks notes-

his words.

Remember when Trump said 3,000,000 illegals voted in the last election?

Yeah, let's listen to that guy.

"Trump already lost the popular vote once."

Non-Americans need to be made aware that while the popular vote maybe the way their country's leaders are picked, that's not how it's done here in the U.S.

@texas Aggie

Non Americans are aware of your crazy electoral system.

Just hold the election as normal, and make it a condition to wear a mask in order to stand in line and enter a polling booth. Or do postal votes (not mail-in votes) as normal.

It can't be that hard.

And ensure everyone plays by the same rules. Of course there's be accusations of electoral fraud from both sides.

I'd prefer Trump to win out of him and Biden, only because he's the least-worst alternative. Biden himself is just a run-of-the-mill Washington hack, but the people behind him are certifiably insane.

but have any of you who loathe him so much considered what the alternatives are?

I'd prefer Trump to win out of him and Biden, only because he's the least-worst alternative.

I literally can't understand this take. Hasn't Trump made it perfectly clear that LITERALLY ANYONE would be a better president?

Please provide the direct quote where Trump threatened to cancel the election. in his words.

Wretched lefties, accusing Trump of casting doubt on the validity of the election and threatening to cancel it, based only on

-checks notes-

his words.

If you support this then you are against the Constitution of the United States.

Please provide the direct quote where Trump threatened to cancel the election. in his words.

From the article:

Delay the Election until people can properly, securely and safely vote???

Not really a threat I'll grant you, since he doesn't have the power to cancel it on his own. Just an attempt to use his bully pulpit to cajole his cronies in Congress to cancel it. Fortunately they said "no".

I dont see the word cancel, in his words.

You do realize delay and cancel mean something different, right?

Wannabe dictator, and it’s amazing to watch so-called patriots beg for a dictatorship.

Please provide the direct quote where Trump threatened to cancel the election. in his words.

He won't leave the WH if he loses. It's the same thing and he said that.

"I dont want to delay, I want to have the election." 6:03PM EST, President Trump, the White House press conference. his words.

"do I want to see a date change? No." same press conference, his words.

please provide a direct quote where Trump said he wont leave the White House if he loses.

He won't leave the WH if he loses. It's the same thing and he said that.

I read this article just to see how many uninformed, jeering comments there would be from the Trump haters.

Uninformed? LOL. This isn't about Trump hate. Trump cannot change the date of the United States election, because he wants to. That's the law. That has nothing to do with hate, it has to do with ignorance and deceit on the part of the President.

I wonder to what extent they truly represent Japan's ex-pat, English-speaking community. It's a depressing thought...It might be noted that leading American conservatives are very much opposed to the very idea of postponing the election. 

The ex-pat, English speaking community are often college educated people who want true information and make critical decisions based on that information. If Trump is wrong, he is wrong. If he lies, he lies. That's the reality of Trump. He's the worst president in my lifetime.

Also, this article is not about conservatives or Republican thought on the matter, it is about what Trump said, which is he wants to alter the date of the election, which, in addition to not being possible, is a dangerous idea. I say dangerous because this is what facists and dictators do. Along with, y'know, Putin, who's not exactly a role model for American politics.

Donald Trump is his own worst enemy, but have any of you who loathe him so much considered what the alternatives are? (I speak as a Japanese citizen who has no intention of living in the United States.)

Of course, we have considered what the alternatives are. How silly to question that. Also, what the heck does being a Japanese citizen who has no intention of living in the United States have to do with this? It adds zero information to your argument.

"I dont want to delay, I want to have the election." 6:03PM EST, President Trump, the White House press conference. his words.

Yup. His stupid idea trial balloon got shot down and now he's backtracking like mad because he is a coward and that is what they do. Which is fine.

I dont see the word cancel, in his words.

You do realize delay and cancel mean something different, right?

Fair point. But you've also quoted him saying he doesn't want to delay it either now, so its already been rendered moot.

I dont see the word cancel, in his words.

You do realize delay and cancel mean something different, right?

We all know that "until it's safe" will go on indefinitely if the Republicans cowtow to him and delay the election. This is classic fascist behaviour. Like snatching people off the street and bundling them into unmarked vehicles, something you're in favour of.

"I dont want to delay, I want to have the election." 6:03PM EST, President Trump, the White House press conference. his words.

Literally no-one is buying this, except the most credulous of Trump-humping dullards.

YoshiToday  10:04 am JST

but have any of you who loathe him so much considered what the alternatives are?

I'd prefer Trump to win out of him and Biden, only because he's the least-worst alternative.

I literally can't understand this take. Hasn't Trump made it perfectly clear that LITERALLY ANYONE would be a better president?

It might help if you can understand why he was elected in the first place. Millions of Americans held their nose because they understood the stakes of a Clinton win. She was and still is a thoroughly corrupt kleptocrat supported by an establishment who are basically the same. Trump was elected to bring these swamp dwellers out into the open, and if he's done nothing else, he's succeeded fantastically at that. They've spent every waking moment over the last 3.5 years trying, unsuccessfully, to remove hime from office.

The Trump haters need to understand that the people you seem to want in power don't give a damn about you, they're just using your anger - of which there's clearly no short supply - to regain/entrench their positions. Once they've got that, they'll go back to treating you like dirt, dangling a few carrots to maintain the illusion they care about you.

Here's a free tip: THEY DON'T.

You don't have to like Trump, but think for a minute who he's keeping out of power.

so its all good. He neither wants to cancel or delay the vote and he knows he cant.

We have also confirmed that universal mail in balloting is not the same as absentee balloting, or everyone could just vote under the absentee vote process we already have, by requesting a ballot.

Want to vote, request absentee because there is no legally allowable process to just mail a ballot to everyone on a list of people that some office has.

Glad this is all sorted out, that is why Trump tweeted this, to make all this be clarified.

The Trump haters need to understand that the people you seem to want in power don't give a damn about you

150,000 people have died of Covid-19 while Trump did almost nothing to stop it. Republicans held up signs saying "sacrifice the weak". Republicans cheer the destruction of civil rights and actively court white supremacists.

Trump was elected to bring these swamp dwellers out into the open, and if he's done nothing else, he's succeeded fantastically at that. 

Yes, they are all more in the open, because they're all working for his administration.

yet no one can give me a direct quote of the things he supposedly "said" "in his words"

I clearly quoted what he just said, as fact.

Literally no-one is buying this, except the most credulous of Trump-humping dullards.

You don't have to like Trump, but think for a minute who he's keeping out of power.

I understand Trump supporters have a variation of that phrase...

"You don't have to like Putin but think for a minute who he is keeping in power"...

so its all good. He neither wants to cancel or delay the vote

He does.

and he knows he cant.

He didn't.

Glad this is all sorted out, that is why Trump tweeted this, to make all this be clarified.

That isn't why Trump tweeted this.

I clearly quoted what he just said, as fact.

I refer you to who is buying this.

So, Lincolnman and Sneezy you both dodged the question. Do you genuinely believe that Trump's opponents actually care about you?

It's an easy question, yes or no.

then why would he still tweet out something that he doesnt want to do, that he knows he cant?

Please elaborate.

Basically fell in the trap again, to claim he said something he didnt and to show the Dem and media bias, dishonesty and hatred.

That isn't why Trump tweeted this.

then why would he still tweet out something that he doesnt want to do, that he knows he cant?

I did: he does want to do it; he didn't know he couldn't.

Basically fell in the trap again, to claim he said something he didnt

I'm glad you can admit you fell into the trap of trying to translate Trump. You do that a lot. Like when you tried to claim, all within 30 minutes, that injecting disinfectant is a good idea, then that Trump never said you should, then that you shouldn't inject disinfectant but that doctors were researching it, then that no-one was researching it but they should because it is a good idea.

My guess is that Trump is trying to distract from the catastrophic economic news released.

so its all good. He neither wants to cancel or delay the vote and he knows he cant.

Yup, he blurted out another stupid idea because he is losing, got slapped down, and now is running back with his tail between his legs.

Situation normal in Trump Land.

My guess is that Trump is trying to distract from the catastrophic economic news released.

Absolutely. This is Dimwit Donald's lesson # 12 from his Book, The Art of Conning and Manipulating the Sheep...

The number today was the worst decrease in quarterly GDP EVER - since they started recording it in 1947....

Trump's economy - the highest deficit and the worst GDP and unemployment in decades...

And it's only getting worse as the infection and deaths surge...due to his incompetence...

Glad this is all sorted out, that is why Trump tweeted this, to make all this be clarified.

I had no idea that "America is having an Presidential election in November as scheduled" was something that needed clarifying.

Basically fell in the trap again, to claim he said something he didnt and to show the Dem and media bias, dishonesty and hatred.

You're darn right Democrats hate Donald the career criminal. You're darn right they hate a man who has always put himself before everyone else. my only question is why aren't you bothered by it?

trap of trying to translate Trump

On the long list of negatives linked to Trump his absolutely abysmal communication skills are among the worst of them, worse than any president ever. His use of language is so poor that the Republican Party has created something called a rapid response team whose members (paid and 'volunteer') are tasked with providing spins/translations whenever he tweets or speaks. In addition to providing 'intentional misinformation'.

Take a look at this:

*Electoral Armageddon can be avoided. Should Trump lose decisively – not only in the popular vote, but in the electoral college, too –his capacity to engage in constitutional brinkmanship will be limited. This is not to say that he won’t claim the election was rigged, only that his claim will probably not trigger a larger constitutional crisis. *But should Trump’s defeat turn on the count of mail-in ballots in our crucial swing states, prepare for chaos. Our nation could witness dark times.

(Lawrence Douglas is the James J Grosfeld professor of law, jurisprudence and social thought, at Amherst College, Massachusetts. He is the author of Will He Go? Trump and the Looming Election Meltdown in 2020.)

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/27/trump-loses-election-what-happens-possibilities

That's why I find myself in the unusual position of agreeing with Blacklabel about something (kind of).

@Blacklabel

if people can put on a mask and go to the store they can put on a mask to go vote. Masks plus social distancing works right?

I don't see anything outrageous about that. It should be possible to form long lines, keep a social distance, wear masks, and vote with the same risk as when shopping for groceries. The fewer postal votes there are to count, the less basis there is for the sleaze-ball-in-chief to stoke up mayhem in US cities on a scale that few have imagined yet. The way it's going, I hear some shooting over the horizon-quite a lot of it.

Do you genuinely believe that Trump's opponents actually care about you?

Biden? I don't think he's particularly interested in me or people like me, no. Bernie definitely was. Trump cares the least, however. He only cares for himself and his fellow filthy rich thieves.

please provide a direct quote where Trump said he wont leave the White House if he loses.

President Trump won’t agree to accept 2020 election results as Biden leads in polls — ‘I have to see’

(news quote)

But it's good news for Trump people. They say Trump will be scammed in the election so they want him to stay no matter what.

He very clearly told us his position.

liberals the ones claiming he “said”something else but can’t give me a direct quote.

liberals the one trying to mindread intentions.

he was very clear in his message.

So the direct quote from Trump was “I have to see”. Ok wouldn’t that make sense to see the results first?

You said he “said” he won’t leave. where is that part?

liberals the one trying to mindread intentions.

Says a poster reading the minds of while speaking for 'liberals'. Mighty authoritarian

he was very clear in his message.

Yes: he wants to delay the election. Given he has previously said he thinks the US should have Presidents for life, it's clear that this "delay" would be permanent.

This is all very clear, except to the most credulous Trump-humping dullards.

Yes, you get it! Why give Trump any ability to contest anything?

imagine how you would feel if Biden is winning election night after all the in person votes are counted. then you find one month later Trump actually won based on mail in?

confusion plus chaos like we have never seen.

can you accept this? Or will Biden file lawsuits because he was “winning” and all the Election Day media polls supported that?

the sleaze-ball-in-chief to stoke up mayhem in US cities on a scale that few have imagined yet.

You said he “said” he won’t leave. where is that part?

He even said this during 2016. He will not leave. At least evil wicked mean old Hillary didn't reject results like Trump would. But what's the problem? When Trump refuses to leave it will be good news for the Trumps since they think the Dems are going to cheat.

So the direct quote from Trump was “I have to see”. Ok wouldn’t that make sense to see the results first?

No.

Trump successfully trolls the Left again working them up into a hateful frenzy. Hilarious!

imagine how you would feel if Biden is winning election night after all the in person votes are counted. then you find one month later Trump actually won based on mail in?

confusion plus chaos like we have never seen.

can you accept this? Or will Biden file lawsuits because he was “winning” and all the Election Day media polls supported that?

If Trump wins the election based on mail-in votes, then he would be President. I would absolutely accept that.

Then shouldn’t be hard to give me a direct quote in his words. “If I lose I won’t leave” would be a good quote to show me.

He even said this during 2016.

So the direct quote from Trump was “I have to see”. Ok wouldn’t that make sense to see the results first?

lololol No. The question from Chris Wallace was, "If you lose the election, will you accept the results?"

"We'll see," isn't an acceptable answer, but it is a hardly surprising one coming from a sore winner Trump, who tried claiming he would have won the popular vote if not for illegal voting.

Even if Biden were winning by 10 points after election night? Then picked his cabinet already but then we find Trump really won a month later? No suspicion at all just accept? Good to know.

If Trump wins the election based on mail-in votes, then he would be President. I would absolutely accept that.

Same answer he gave in 2016. He did “see”. He saw that he won.

We'll see," isn't an acceptable answer,

SneezyToday  11:01 am JST

Do you genuinely believe that Trump's opponents actually care about you?

Biden? I don't think he's particularly interested in me or people like me, no. Bernie definitely was. Trump cares the least, however. He only cares for himself and his fellow filthy rich thieves.

With Sanders, maybe you're right. And thank you for actually answering the question. But the Dems didn't really want him in anyway because he's not an establishment guy.

If Biden does happen to win the election by means fair or foul, how do you think your life would be better? Do you think the Democrats are more interested in returning to power or actually making America a better place? Is your support for the Democrats a case of the lesser of two evils, or genuine belief that they have your best interests and the interests of America at heart? Genuinely curious to know.

Trump cares the least, however. He only cares for himself and his fellow filthy rich thieves

The question wasn't about Trump, it was about his opponents.

Trump successfully trolls the Left again working them up into a hateful frenzy. Hilarious!

Bingo! To the delight of the global alt right, Trump's their number 1 troll!

Forget about his collapsed economy, 150,000 dead and more dying each day, forget about America getting weaker each day Trump and regime rule because he's trolling the libs! Much to Putin and Xi's delight, too.

Even if Biden were winning by 10 points after election night? Then picked his cabinet already but then we find Trump really won a month later? No suspicion at all just accept? Good to know.

Yes.

Why do Republicans have such difficulty understanding democracy? You're asking me "if Trump gets the most votes, you'd really accept his victory!?". It's not a difficult or complex question for me, because I believe in democracy. For you, the only thing you believe in is: Republicans must win no matter what. This is why you guys change your stance on it on a dime.

Not a snowball's chance in hell. Although, he has been busy laying the groundwork for the dark days to come. China, mail voting, "anarchists", the fake media and all the rest of his greatest hits.

But Americans, actual patriots and honest people have been preparing, too.

And they will find they are not alone in the months to come.

He will try to end democracy and break the people, of that, you can be sure.

But, as pointed out before, tyrants and authoritarians are eventually stopped and brought to justice.

Same answer he gave in 2016. He did “see”. He saw that he won.

lololol Okay, so how is "we'll see," an acceptable answer to the question, "Will you accept the results if you lose?" Donald doesn't believe in democracy and neither do Republicans, they'll only accept the results if they in their favor.

Trump successfully trolls the Left again working them up into a hateful frenzy. Hilarious!

And his immature and gullible followers think it's all a jolly good wheeze, whilst innocents are teargassed.

Applaud this vile stain on America for the time being. History will show Trump and his enablers for the foolish wreckers they are.

The question wasn't about Trump, it was about his opponents.

Don't be preposterous. The choice isn't between "Biden and someone else, let's not think about it". It's between Biden and Trump. I'm not sure if I'll vote Biden, because my goals (socialism, peace and justice) are so different from his. But I absolutely will not vote for Trump because he is an actual fascist. Even the far-right Federalist accepts this.

Trump has not made my life better, nor has he made it better for the majority of Americans. He has actively made it worse. He is responsible for the degradation of our country, a resurgence of white nationalism, and 150,000 dead Americans.

Lol. The America hating left have spun so much they can't tell up from down.

Nobody hates America, as far as I can see here. It's the opposite. Which is why this murderous vain criminal must be removed from office in November.

It will take time to heal and there will be repercussions, whoever gets in.

We don't hate America. We have the utmost sympathy for you in your moment of peril.

WolfpackToday  11:15 am JST

Trump successfully trolls the Left again

Your admiration for trolling and your continual obsession with "the Left" is all we need to know about you.

he can win without getting the most votes. would that be your backdoor to claim he didnt "really" win, again?

You wouldnt claim that obviously Russia or China interfered in the mail in voting process or count? no excuses this time, just straight whoever wins the electoral college after all votes are counted, even if it takes a month from the time you thought Biden won? I have a hard time to believe that based on still not accepting 2016 results, but ok.

You're asking me "if Trump gets the most votes, you'd really accept his victory!?"

More proof that Trump is not acceptable and is unfit. He doesn't want to accept defeat like a man. He wouldn't in 2016 and he sold the country out in order to get in the WH.

And everything he said and done since then even more proves his ufitness and unworthiness. He must GO!

Wolf:. Trump successfully trolls the Left again working them up into a hateful frenzy. Hilarious!

LOL I guess he has some extra time on his hands with a collapsing economy and 150,000 dead.

So funny!

he can win without getting the most votes. would that be your backdoor to claim he didnt "really" win, again?

I've never claimed he didn't really win. He did.

You wouldnt claim that obviously Russia or China interfered in the mail in voting process or count?

Not without evidence.

no excuses this time, just straight whoever wins the electoral college after all votes are counted, even if it takes a month from the time you thought Biden won?

Yes.

I have a hard time to believe that based on still not accepting 2016 results, but ok.

I've never disputed the results of the 2016 election.

Once again, I know it's mind blowing for you to have a conversation with someone who has principles, but this is what it looks like.

Trump successfully trolls the Left again working them up into a hateful frenzy. Hilarious!

Yup, the President of the United States is good at being a troll. And nothing else. Hilarious.

Trump has no empathy for his victims. Or their families.

Which is one of the reasons there will be rejoicing when he's gone. Hopefully, behind bars.

It won't provide closure, but it will help reboot this slump in humanity's progress.

SneezyToday  11:30 am JST

The question wasn't about Trump, it was about his opponents.

Don't be preposterous. The choice isn't between "Biden and someone else, let's not think about it". It's between Biden and Trump. I'm not sure if I'll vote Biden, because my goals (socialism, peace and justice) are so different from his. But I absolutely will not vote for Trump because he is an actual fascist. Even the far-right Federalist accepts this.

Trump has not made my life better, nor has he made it better for the majority of Americans. He has actively made it worse. He is responsible for the degradation of our country, a resurgence of white nationalism, and 150,000 dead Americans.

I had a slight inkling you wouldn't be voting for Trump. But do you really think the Dems would've handled it any better. Going on how the Democrat states have handled the crisis, the odds don't look good.

And if you don't vote for Biden, who would you vote for, if anyone? If you vote for Biden, you deserve everything that comes with it. If you vote for someone else, at least you can say that you didn't actively contribute to supporting the Democrat kleptocracy. If you don't vote at all, well, that's your decision, but then you can't really complain. And being a socialist, you can always migrate to one of those socialist miracles I keep hearing about. What's its name, er, Venezuela, North Korea, Cuba... Oh right, you like the comforts of a sort-of market economy too much to leave it, but want to inflict socialism on everyone else. Why not move to one of those countries mentioned above to try it in real life, then come back and tell us how you found it?

BlacklabelToday  10:21 am JST

please provide a direct quote where Trump said he wont leave the White House if he loses.

Funny thing... I was positive that I read the opposite somewhere, he was quoted recently as saying he'd just accept the result and get on with something else. Can't find the quote now, but all this "I'll have to see" stuff kind of contradicts it.

And being a socialist, you can always migrate to one of those socialist miracles I keep hearing about.

Many countries (mine own included) have incoporated elements of socialism, including healthcare, free education and market socialism. The latter of which, arguably natch, exists in the US.

It's very telling that some here haven't the critical faculties to see beyone the rampant capitalism that they endorese so willingly.

Mind you, they're fooling themselves if they think Biden is some kind of socialist. He's an even worse candidate than Clinton was.

The end run is probably no victor by Jan 20, at which point the House of Representatives will elect a president.

While the Dems control the majority of seats in the House, the procedure for this is one vote per state delegation, and the GOP currently holds a slight edge in that despite being in the minority on overall seats.

I had a slight inkling you wouldn't be voting for Trump. But do you really think the Dems would've handled it any better. Going on how the Democrat states have handled the crisis, the odds don't look good.

Would the Dems have handled it better? Than the guy who has done a worse job of it than any other leader in the developed world? For all her faults I doubt Hillary would have spent the past 6 months pretending the pandemic didn't exist and stubbornly refusing to form any sort of Federal response whatsoever to the pandemic.

This isn't a partisan position, I doubt that any of the other Republican contenders for the nomination in 2016 would have done as bad as Trump, for the same reason. He just isn't a leader.

yes one would have to see a result to accept it, right? (meaning actual data proof that he lost as the thing he would see)

Do you think he just leaves if Nancy Pelosi calls on the phone and says "hey dotard, you lost"? doesnt work like that.

Do you think he just leaves if Nancy Pelosi calls on the phone and says "hey dotard, you lost"? doesnt work like that.

No, it'll be the American electorate, not Pelosi, making that call.

Yes, he actually did say that. So it makes it even more curious to me why one poster here keeps claiming that he "said" he wont leave if he loses. He directly answered that he would. once he sees the proof of the actual, valid results, of course.

Funny thing... I was positive that I read the opposite somewhere, he was quoted recently as saying he'd just accept the result and get on with something else.

And his supporters still claim he, Barr and the billionaires backing them aren't trying to undermine the republic's few remaining democratic principles to install him as some sort of authoritarian 'supreme leader'.

As much as the liberal richest elite or billionaires as you call it hate Trump, the last person they und vote for is Joe Biden, the man that wants to punish the job creators, just stupid!

Trump's serving the needs of his fellow 'elite' while ignoring the general population.

As if the mayors and governors of these liberal States care one iota of the general population. We are now on day 64-65 with these riots....or as CNN are trying to hypnotize people into thinking riots are peaceful.

(see virus death counts, record unemployment, smashed economy, etc.)

Ok, so Biden is President, what can he do better? Tell the virus to magically leave? Put money in peoples pockets, I mean more money? Who’s going to pay for this? Biden’s economic plan would make Trump’s look like deficit bargain. By the way, why isn’t he media fixated on the people recovering from the virus? Hmmm...that would be encouraging news, can’t have that!

Trump wants to be like Putin and Xi. Now that his attacks on American citizens (see Trump-troops assault 'Democratic' cities)

Yes, people wanting to burn down Federal buildings should be in prison, if stopping thugs from committing acts of crime on public property is an assault on democracy, good.

And being a socialist, you can always migrate to one of those socialist miracles I keep hearing about.

Many countries (mine own included) have incoporated elements of socialism, including healthcare, free education and market socialism. The latter of which, arguably natch, exists in the US.

It's very telling that some here haven't the critical faculties to see beyone the rampant capitalism that they endorese so willingly.

Mind you, they're fooling themselves if they think Biden is some kind of socialist. He's an even worse candidate than Clinton was.

Adding a safety net into a capitalist economy adds an element of stability for protecting the most vulnerable - I won't argue with you there. But pure socialism - how far do you want to take it? State ownership of all means of production and property? That hasn't worked out particularly well, as history has shown many times. Forced collectivisation goes against human nature, which is why it has failed.

One of the Western world's biggest failings is crony capitalism/corporate socialism - essentially fascism, because governments have failed to separate themselves from corporations regardless of how many checks and balances are there to prevent it. There's no way I endorse that kind of behaviour. And that's the kind of person Biden is and Clinton is - corrupt, opportunistic kleptocrats, not socialists. Biden showed it with the Ukraine thing involving his son, but a friendly media swept that under the rug. Clinton showed it through the influence-peddling of the Clinton Foundation.

Funny thing... I was positive that I read the opposite somewhere, he was quoted recently as saying he'd just accept the result and get on with something else. Can't find the quote now, but all this "I'll have to see" stuff kind of contradicts it.

The real important question is “should Biden lose”, will he accept it? Will he and the Democrats leave? Somehow I feel if that happens the Dems will howl again like in 2000

He would be at least happy with the numbers he is getting on this site. Look people are talking about me.

Yes, he actually did say that. So it makes it even more curious to me why one poster here keeps claiming that he "said" he wont leave if he loses. He directly answered that he would. once he sees the proof of the actual, valid results, of course.

Yeah, interesting. This is the same guy who still holds the position that the 2016 election results weren't valid because of millions of fake votes that he made up to compensate for the embarassment of losing the popular vote.

He's a bad loser and if he doesn't find any valid reason to contest an election result that goes against him he'll just make one up like he always does. If you don't know that, you don't know Trump. Him refusing to say that he'll accept the results of the election is not far from him saying he won't go if he loses, unless someone makes him. In which case he'll just run off like the coward he is.

Did Trump accept the results of the last election?

Just deciding who to trust if it drags out.

But do you really think the Dems would've handled it any better

Yes. Anyone with a plan beyond “it’ll go away because magic” would have been better. Which is to say, anyone would have been better.

And being a socialist, you can always migrate to one of those socialist miracles I keep hearing about. What's its name, er, Venezuela, North Korea, Cuba... Oh right, you like the comforts of a sort-of market economy too much to leave it, but want to inflict socialism on everyone else. Why not move to one of those countries mentioned above to try it in real life, then come back and tell us how you found it? I don’t want to move to those other countries: I don’t speak Spanish or Korean. Not that I could move there anyway, as the US’ handling of the virus has made us a pariah state, and I’m not able to enter those countries as a result. I only have the right to vote in the USA. And it’s my people, Americans, who are suffering under the hell that is capitalism. They need socialism.

He directly answered that he would. once he sees the proof of the actual, valid results, of course.

Trump is a conspiracy theorist. When you are dealing with conspiracy theorists, any data can be dismissed with outlier opinions and an imagination fertile enough to see plotters everywhere.

Yes. Anyone with a plan beyond “it’ll go away because magic” would have been better. Which is to say, anyone would have been better.

Ok, so how and be specific. How will he create jobs and will he do it without sinking the economy further because the more people are locked down, the more jobs will fold and so what will he do about that. Please no insults or drive-by retorts. I really want.

And being a socialist, you can always migrate to one of those socialist miracles I keep hearing about. What's its name, er, Venezuela, North Korea, Cuba... 

I don’t see Michael Moore investing or rushing off to Cuba....

Americans, who are suffering under the hell that is capitalism. They need socialism.

No, they need to go back to work or there won’t even be anything for the Marxists to run on.

 But pure socialism - how far do you want to take it? State ownership of all means of production and property?

This isn't socialism.

One of the Western world's biggest failings is crony capitalism/corporate socialism - essentially fascism, because governments have failed to separate themselves from corporations regardless of how many checks and balances are there to prevent it.

I see. So if, say, a US President were to refuse to put his assets into a blind trust, as has been common practice for decades, hired his immediate family to important government positions, and insisted that events be held at his private hotels so that tax payer money was funnelled into his own pockets, what would your opinion of this president be?

I don’t see Michael Moore investing or rushing off to Cuba....

Michael Moore visited Cuba in his 2007 film Sicko.

State ownership of all means of production and property? That hasn't worked out particularly well, as history has shown many times. Forced collectivisation goes against human nature, which is why it has failed.

If you mean like in Cambodia, that was an abberation, for sure. Many of these attempts at collectivism were, indeed forced and twisted the ideology beyond recognition. And they should be reagarded with contempt. In the same way that capitalism should also be regarded with contempt, for all the times it has promoted the rich and crushed the poor.

And the poorest hit are often in developing nations, which will grasp at the alternatives. Unfortunately, there are those who do well in taking advantage of the desperate.

Capitalist and/or socialist.

I like to think of the communes in Catalonia, as an example of hope, before Franco followers and other miscreants put the boot in.

It's refreshing to see the ideology taking hold, not just around the world, but in the US, too. But forced collectivism, as opposed to mutually agreed?

Relax, as the far right like to tell us, that's never going to happen.

an assault on democracy, good.

Thanks for your input, bass.

Michael Moore visited Cuba in his 2007 film Sicko.

Yes, he praised it so much. But why is he not moving there? Why won’t he give up his Michigan mansion? He hates Capitalism so much. Weird.....

It's refreshing to see the ideology taking hold,

And none of these fools have an idea when asked how to fund it, soon there won’t be anything to siphon from. But they want and want and want, just as long as it’s not from them...interesting....

Relax, as the far right like to tell us, that's never going to happen.

Unless the want to country to turn into another Venezuela failed experiment. Beautiful country and Chavez ruined it.

I’ll hold on to my gold.

The problem with these ignorant and clueless Marxists is that they think robbing Paul to give to Peter will ensure prosperity for the entire nation, if they believed that crap their parents should ask for a school refund. Giving stuff to people is easy to do until you run out of it and then what?

Giving stuff to people is easy to do until you run out of it and then what?

I'd suggest you take a remedial class on the economy. And English.

Again, Minorities have benefited from liberal policies as an exactly what way? They’ve helped their communities in what way? Biden will do what exactly for them?

How has Trump crashing the economy with a 33% GDP contraction in just one quarter, the worst in US history, helped anyone aside from the super wealthy?

How has Trump crashing the economy with a 33% GDP contraction in just one quarter, the worst in US history, helped anyone aside from the super wealthy?

And to that point, if Biden wins, how is income redistribution going to help when people can’t work or many companies are folded? How will injecting more stimulus help or $37 trillion for the NGD? If you punish the job creators, will poor people get jobs from the poor? And I’m still waiting for the answer to my question. Liberals policies have helped the minority in what way over the last 60 years?

And to that point, if Biden wins, how is income redistribution going to help when people can’t work or many companies are folded? 

Redistributing money helps those who have lost their jobs or cannot work. Jeff Bezos doesn't need $178bn. Millions of Americans need money to live. Bezos and the wealthy need to be taxed to help those Americans.

How will injecting more stimulus help or $37 trillion for the NGD? 

Economic stimuluses stimulate the economy. That's how they help.

If you punish the job creators, will poor people get jobs from the poor?

It's the working class who drive the economy.

And I’m still waiting for the answer to my question. Liberals policies have helped the minority in what way over the last 60 years?

Getting rid of Jim Crow laws, for a start.

Now, answer me: how has Trump causing the biggest economic contraction, a 33% reduction of GDP in just three months, helped anyone aside from the super wealthy?

liberals the ones claiming he “said”something else but can’t give me a direct quote.

liberals the one trying to mindread intentions.

he was very clear in his message.

Spoken like a true conservative:

Conservatives are the ones who think the world should stay the way it was like in the Stone Age and are adamant against any change; even if it's for the greater good.

Conservatives are the ones who blame everyone and everything else for anything bad that happens and will never accept responsibility for their actions.

Conservatives will find a tweet or quote that matches their agenda or beliefs and will blow it up and out of proportion to fit their own narratives.

Conservatives (like Trump) are only concerned about their own egos and feelings and place it above everything else; even human life. Their egos will take them even towards being petty and poor sports.

I think its pretty cool that Trump finally realized the seriousness of the C-19 pandemic and is truly concerned that electioneering activities will just spread the virus infection to a new level.

He was criticized for promoting hydroxychloroquine and lambasted for not wearing a mask.

This time me thinks he has a valid reason to really save lives and protect the health of all the people in the USA.

Yet people still cursed him for such a caring gesture?

People who is for Trump or Biden will still vote for their idol if the election is postponed .

Redistributing money helps those who have lost their jobs or cannot work. Jeff Bezos doesn't need $178bn. Millions of Americans need money to live. Bezos and the wealthy need to be taxed to help those Americans.

Ok, so I got a partial answer from you, Democrat polices really don’t work as is evident when looking at minority communities under Democrat leadership for 60 years, the solution, take from Bezos and distribute his wealth because he doesn’t need it, he made the money, so but since Dems don’t want to work, we will rob Paul and give it to lazy Peter.....ok.....

Economic stimuluses stimulate the economy. That's how they help.

But if there’s no money left and that’s a very real possibility, then what? Take more of Bezos’s money? How about Ellen? From the looks of it, she’ll have plenty of money to give to people, since she won’t have a show anymore soon.

It's the working class who drive the economy. 

I agree, but they can’t work if they’re kept in a locked down state. But yeah, as he said they drive the economy and yet none of these liberals want them to work, it’s all so perplexing...

Getting rid of Jim Crow laws, for a start.

We got rid of it in 1965

Now, answer me: how has Trump causing the biggest economic contraction, a 33% reduction of GDP in just three months, helped anyone aside from the super wealthy?

Sure, after you answer my question.

But if there’s no money left and that’s a very real possibility, then what?

That's not how QE works.

We got rid of it in 1965

Yes, that's within the last 60 years, which is the time limit you asked for.

Sure, after you answer my question.

I did. You can't answer mine, because Trump crashing the economy like it was one of his casinos hasn't helped anyone but the super wealthy and you know it.

shameless hypocrisy

I see, so taking more money from people that can’t work in the form of taxes, rely on Bezos or Gates...maybe even Oprah...for income redistribution make up for lack of jobs, gotcha.

Yes, that's within the last 60 years, which is the time limit you asked for.

No, I was specific. So in other words you and other liberals cannot definitively outline how liberal policies helped minorities particularly the black community. Yeah, I couldn’t find any either, sadly.

Trump crashing the economy

He didn’t, the virus did and the shutdown did, the one he wanted to avoid, but nope, the Dems wanted it, he wants people to go back to work, Dems don’t want it and here we are. But we shouldn’t worry, Bezos’s money will save the US. Lol

The problem with these ignorant and clueless Marxists is that they think robbing Paul to give to Peter will ensure prosperity for the entire nation

A wildy inaccurate comment, conveniently ignoring that socialism (amongst other things) is to ensure that the rich don't rob off the poor anymore.

He was criticized for promoting hydroxychloroquine and lambasted for not wearing a mask.

And rightly so. He hasn't stopped promoting the drug, btw.

This time me thinks he has a valid reason to really save lives and protect the health of all the people in the USA.

He's the PotUS. He should automatically be doing everything in his power to prevent needless deaths.

Yet people still cursed him for such a caring gesture?

Yes, because it's all about clinging onto power, and letting thousands die while he plays golf.

I think the comment is spot on. Socialism won’t work and it won’t save the US. Go down to Oakland, Detroit, Compton and Baltimore and you will see it firsthand. Economic opportunities will and Biden and the other Marxists prefer people stay home until summer next year while living off of Bezos’s money.

No, I was specific.

Yes, you specifically said 60 years. I gave you an example. I'm sorry you don't like it, but that's just the way it is.

He didn’t

He did. This is Trump's economy: he is responsible for it. It's natural that there would be some downturn, but other countries haven't seen anything this bad. The difference is down to who is leading the response. Trump hoped the virus would go away because of magic. Turns out Trump was the curse.

I think the comment is spot on. 

You're wrong, as per.

Marxists prefer people stay home until summer next year while living off of Bezos’s money.

Far right promoters of falsehoods can just hop in their private planes and score subsidised medicine from the bases here, I guess.

They're not coddin' anyone, that's for sure.

So what liberals are essentially saying is, Republicans made the black community poor because they follow the capitalist system, Dems tried for 60 years with their entitlement and socialist programs for 60 years, but couldn’t uplift the black community because Bezos is making too much money, therefore, we need to take all of his, distribute it to all the poor, that’ll make them rich and if not, take some from Oprah as well.

He did. This is Trump's economy

But I’m really confused, I thought it was Obama’s economy since he saved the country and is now riding off the coattails of Obama then that would mean, it’s Obama’s economy and he should be held responsible as well as Cuomo and DeBlasio because they made NY a safe and healthy environment for all, who cares about the complaints and rising crime and unemployment in a State that liberals didn’t want Trump to come in.

So what liberals are essentially saying is, Republicans made the black community poor because they follow the capitalist system, Dems tried for 60 years with their entitlement and socialist programs for 60 years, but couldn’t uplift the black community because Bezos is making too much money, therefore, we need to take all of his, distribute it to all the poor, that’ll make them rich and if not, take some from Oprah as well.

No. You have misunderstood some very basic concepts.

But I’m really confused, I thought it was Obama’s economy 

Obama hasn't been the President for nearly four years. Try to keep up.

BlacklabelToday  12:13 pm JST

Yes, he actually did say that. So it makes it even more curious to me why one poster here keeps claiming that he "said" he wont leave if he loses. He directly answered that he would. once he sees the proof of the actual, valid results, of course.

You think he'll accept them as valid?

bass4funkToday  12:22 pm JST

"Funny thing... I was positive that I read the opposite somewhere, he was quoted recently as saying he'd just accept the result and get on with something else. Can't find the quote now, but all this "I'll have to see" stuff kind of contradicts it."

The real important question is...

Your observations and transparent attempts at deflection are pretty much worthless, except to prove everything anyone says about obsessive right-wing online bores correct.