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Glad he has a fixed routine in how to respond to mass shootings. There will be several more during his term in office do he will be really good at doing it by the end.

Sadly he won't do anything about gun control to stop the massacres.

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The conman’s show.

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Melania dressed as a white suffragette again...

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Aside from cancelling Obama-era regulations aimed at keeping arms away from mentally ill and cutting multiple avenues of funding for their treatment, he's doing a great job! All he has to do now is the exact opposite of what he's done heretofore. (Hint: ain't gonna happen.)

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Melania dressed as a white suffragette again...

And looks hot!!!!

Aside from cancelling Obama-era regulations

Thank heavens!

aimed at keeping arms away from mentally ill and cutting multiple avenues of funding for their treatment, he's doing a great job!

So why didn’t the Dems decide to reopen mental care facilities, they are the party of the entitlements are they not? It’s right up their ally

All he has to do now is the exact opposite of what he's done heretofore. (Hint: ain't gonna happen.)

I’ll be fair here, the 2nd amendment isn’t going anywhere and the left aren’t interested in opening up mental institutions. That ain’t gonna happen.

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Aside from cancelling Obama-era regulations

Thank heavens!

Yes, thank heavens that Trump

cancell[ed] Obama-era regulations aimed at keeping arms away from mentally ill and cutting multiple avenues of funding for their treatment

Have a slight modicum of honesty, or perhaps you want to play the "take words out of context" game.

So why didn’t the Dems decide to reopen mental care facilities, they are the party of the entitlements are they not? It’s right up their ally

Oh, so now state funded programs are acceptable? There are currently private mental health facilities. Are you saying the private sector cannot do as effective of a job as the public sector?

I’ll be fair here, the 2nd amendment isn’t going anywhere

Agreed, but the right It grant can and should be regulated.

and the left aren’t interested in opening up mental institutions. That ain’t gonna happen.

Where did this idea that the left isn't for mental health care facilities come from? Cites please. It's wasn't the left that cut funding for mental health care, so you have it bass ackwards.

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Have a slight modicum of honesty, or perhaps you want to play the "take words out of context" game.

So why didn’t the Dems decide to reopen mental care facilities, they are the party of the entitlements are they not? It’s right up their ally

Don't hate the messenger or the message.

Oh, so now state funded programs are acceptable? There are currently private mental health facilities. Are you saying the private sector cannot do as effective of a job as the public sector

Well, you guys won’t get the 2nd amendment abolished, so that’s the next best thing we should do and if that could lower the chances of some loon shooting up the place, go for it.

Agreed, but the right It grant can and should be regulated.

For example?

Where did this idea that the left isn't for mental health care facilities come from? Cites please. It's wasn't the left that cut funding for mental health care, so you have it back ackwards.

I don’t see them pushing to bring legislation to build them. Oh and you meant, backwards, but don’t worry, I fixed it for you

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And looks hot!!!!

Missing the point, what's new?

I don’t see them pushing to bring legislation to build them

Is the GOP? Links please.

Oh and you meant, backwards, but don’t worry, I fixed it for you

Good on you for correcting typos, Mr. Road's scholar. I could care less, so normally I just bite my time and wait for someone to correct you.

So why didn’t the Dems decide to reopen mental care facilities, they are the party of the entitlements are they not? It’s right up their ally

Interesting. So, on the one hand entitlements are bad, and so is the Democrat party, because they are for entitlements, but now you are criticizing the Democrat party for not trying to open mental care facilities(entitlements)? Huh?

Oh, and I think you meant "alley," not "ally." Gen-i-us! ;)

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Ugh.

At least he’s being open and honest about his intentions to do absolutely nothing about America’s gun problem. Not like all his predecessors who were all talk and no trousers.

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@Risky

It’s “all mouth and trousers.”

Inserting a “no” changes the image : )

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Que de la gueule et rien dans l'entrejambe ....

Sums up most gun owners without their guns Luca...

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luca,

Thanks, but I said what I wanted to say.

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@Madverts & Risky

Special cases clearly require special treatment....

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Missing the point, what's new?

Not at all, just stating a very obvious fact.

Is the GOP?

The GOP aren’t the ones trying to take away and undo the 2nd amendment.

Good on you for correcting typos, Mr. Road's scholar. I could care less, so normally I just bite my time and wait for someone to correct you.

We all get corrected in life, we all need to help each other.

Interesting. So, on the one hand entitlements are bad,

For the lazy, yes. Not for the people that really have a legitimate need for them.

and so is the Democrat party, because they are for entitlements, but now you are criticizing the Democrat party for not trying to open mental care facilities(entitlements)? Huh? 

So which is it? They won’t get rid of the 2nd amendment, so what else can they do, what is their part as far as prevention of a crazy shooter that is on a mission of unleashing domestic terrorism on our streets, willing to hurt or kill people? They should be for opening up mental asylums, that’s the least they can do, because the GOP will fight to keep the 2nd amendment intact.

Oh, and I think you meant "alley," not "ally." Gen-i-us! ;

No worries, it happens. Thanks, homie.

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Speaking directly to the raw emotions was Rubio, who told Trump, "This is a community and a state that's in deep pain and they want action to make sure this never happens again." Trump replied: "You can count on it."

Sounds more like  tatemae than honne. What Americans can count on will be more mass shooting with deadly assault weapons.

"I don't want Trump to come, but we want more gun safety," said 18-year-old Kevin Trejos, a senior at the school. "It's a dream. It hasn't hit me yet. When I see empty desks, I'll feel it. I'm numb now."

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Bass: So why didn’t the Dems decide to reopen mental care facilities

We aren't the ones blaming the shootings on some fuzzy "mental health issue." We just find it odd that gun supporting politicians claim that as the cause, then do nothing when they have the power to act.

Its almost like they aren't really serious about their belief in mental health care being the solution, more like a temporary talking point until it drops out of the headlines at which point they do nothing.

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Left, right...who cares. 18 school shootings in two months. Mentally ill denied their 2nd amendment rights??.. So I'm guessing there is a lot more to come providing the second amendment needs a third amendment or the second amendment relating to weapons that are not black powder powered are defined. Do you really need 30 rounds to protect or hunt WHAT high school kids.

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They should be for opening up mental asylums

And who is going to pay for that? And it won't make a difference. If someone is mentally ill it's confidential only to the doctor and they mentally ill can still buy automatic weapons.

So why didn’t the Dems decide to reopen mental care facilities

Why dems? Trump is the one who reversed Obama's ruling on that.

the left aren’t interested in opening up mental institutions.

The right is in control. It's on them. And who is going to pay for all this? Just like the Trump wall. Mexico?

And looks hot!!!!

No she's not. She's middle aged.

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Gun reform needs to happen semi autos need to go unfortunatly with Trump and many politicains in the NRAs pocket nothing will get done.

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In the USA the courts have a role to play in societal changes, the way they have had in the civil rights struggle, and in reining in the tobacco companies. The rifle manufacturers know this, so they got their friends, the Republicans, to pass a bill making it just about impossible to sue any gun manufacturer or seller. The Republican President at that time, Bush, signed the bill into law. Now, after that fact, they try to act like they care what happens to people who are needlessly killed by assault weapons.

One of the first pieces of legislation to pass during the Trump Administration was a law to make it easier for mentally handicapped people to buy guns. It was a signature issue with Obama that mentally disturbed people should find it difficult to buy weapons. but the Republicans in Congress, and Trump, changed all that less than one month after the trump inauguration.

In the latest GOP budget, 1,600 personnel will be dismissed from the FBI. So, while Republicans rant and rave about what a poor job the FBI is doing, they make sure that the FBI will not be able to do its job. That is SOP (standard operating procedure) for Republicans. They cut the budgets of organizations they do not like, then when the performance of those organizations falters due to their budget cuts, they institute further budget cuts because of the poor performance.

The American system of government is under attack.

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Since this act of domestic terrorism was committed by a white supremacist yet again, will he finally call for the ban of white supremacists in America? I know it's a pipe dream, but it would make much sense, since more acts of violence from white supremacists have been committed over the past year on American soil, than from Muslims.

Unfortunately, the reality is that Trump won't even address the cause of this mass shooting, since it was done by a white man. All he cares about is his photo op with first responders, looking good in front of the American people, and then off to play a few rounds of golf at his resort in Florida.

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Of the Florida school shooting's 17 victims, seven were just 14 years old. But the First Lady looks hot!!!! Thanks, Bass: You've just encapsulated your genre. There is no way you can unspeak that unspeakable comment.

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He has no empathy whatsoever. He doesn't experience emotions like a normal human being does. I think there is something truly wrong with him.

I've never said this about a living president before Trump took office, but Trump is a jerk. Was a jerk the day he was sworn in and has remained pretty much a jerk throughout his entire term of office to this point and I expect he will remain a jerk until the day he leaves office.

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We aren't the ones blaming the shootings on some fuzzy "mental health issue."

I know, so the left really has nothing to grasp ahold on.

We just find it odd that gun supporting politicians claim that as the cause, then do nothing when they have the power to act.

If you think the right is going to scrap the 2nd amendment, then we really need to end the conversation, not going to happen, but the left are so overly worried and panicky, they should bring something to the table, mental health issue is a big concern, when I was a kid, if you were a complete loon, you got locked up in a nice padded cell, pumped with drugs and left until further notice, but at that time, life wasn't as complicated and we didn't have crazies roaming around suffering from some kind of mental disease ready to explode.

Its almost like they aren't really serious about their belief in mental health care being the solution, more like a temporary talking point until it drops out of the headlines at which point they do nothing.

The Dems didn't do anything as well, they had 8 years and sat on their tuckuses and now they demand action.

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He has no empathy whatsoever. He doesn't experience emotions like a normal human being does. I think there is something truly wrong with him.

I think you just described the left, they don't care about the DACA dreamers, a life of a fetus, other peoples religions, but they sure do care a lot about guns. Hmmm...

I've never said this about a living president before Trump took office, but Trump is a jerk.

Don't worry, I said far, far worse about a President, so don't feel bad.

Was a jerk the day he was sworn in and has remained pretty much a jerk throughout his entire term of office to this point and I expect he will remain a jerk until the day he leaves office.

You and I are not so much different, we have the same deep rooted animosity inside us about the current and previous President.

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1) It's 8 school shootings, not 18. The 18 number equates to anything in, near, around, etc. You can Google this and see that 18 is false, and 8 is the true number.

2) Not one politician, or law enforcement member has appeared on any news program, magazine or newspaper expressing the idea to remove the 2nd Amendment. So some of you need to calm done with this baby-like instinct to start crying because you think someone is going to take your toys away.

3) Blaming mental health is a stretch. There's a huge difference between someone who is mentally ill i.e. depressed and someone who's hearing voices in their head telling them to kill people. So enough of the wide reaching brush strokes on "the mentally ill."

4) The US does not have a disproportionate level of mentally ill citizens/residents in comparison to other countries. Look it up.

5) The US does had a staggeringly disproportionate level of gun violence, school shootings and mass shootings. They are the undisputed leaders in this area - bar none.

6) The answer in the US to ending gun violence and mass shootings are always MORE guns. Train teachers to not only teach, but become marksman. Train fast food workers to flip burgers, make fries, and be reliable, accurate shooters. The NRA and gun nuts believe it's better it everyone has a gun - so we go back to the Wild West era.

7) Guns are not going anywhere in the US. Granted. But basic common sense. Are you legally allowed to buy a car and use the car without a drivers license? No. And how do you get one? You have to pass a written test that shows you understand the rules of the road. And then get behind the wheel and prove to an instructor that you can use the car. Thus gaining your license.

Why on Earth are they so stringent with getting a DL, but for obtaining a license for long rifle or permit for handgun, besides have to show ID, and fill out some paperwork, all you need to do is wait (short time for rifle, longer for handgun). No proof that you know how to use it or are any good at using it. No safety course. Stupid.

8) There will be no gun grabs. No government officials kicking down for door to steal away your toys which prove who's got the biggest "gun."

9) Gun owners who target shoot at a range or hunt do not need high capacity magazines. They do not need bumpstocks. They have G.A.S no different than people who are into always buying the newest or coolest smartphone, computer, camera, etc. And want to pretend they are in the Military, or pretend they are in a war. We all know that most would wet their panties at the sight of a live shooting and their supposed right to bare arms would be them cowering being a trash can or car.

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According to Trump, his wall would have kept illegals from killing Americans ... but wait, Nikolas Cruz was not an illegal.

According to Trump, a Muslim ban would have kept Muslims from participating in a massacre ... but wait, Nikolas Cruz was not a Muslim.

According to Trump, mentally disturbed people have rights too and should be allowed to own guns, since early last year, he overturned a law that prohibits mentally disturbed people from owning a gun. Thus, Nikolas Cruz was able to own a gun and commit such a heinous crime. There is no sense in any mentally disturbed person in owning a gun.

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Yuko: Brillisnt post. Hard facts driven by cold, precise logic.

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People who are firmly tucked into the pockets of the NRA will be of no use. Can the American people vote them out of office? I doubt it -- they are "too lazy to get up off their asses."

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trump can't talk about the guns role in this because the vociferous minority absolutists in his base would raise holy hell. less than 20% of gun owners are nra members, but they are the ones who burn up their congressman's phone lines every time any vague ideas of restrictions are floated.

ps: most of the florida shooter's classmates said he was "obsessed with guns." that's the mental disorder we should talk about. [i'd add toxic masculine entitlement, as well]

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Trump has rewarded his fellow mentally-ill by giving them the right to kill the rest of us at will.

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Bass: If you think the right is going to scrap the 2nd amendment

Can you point to any mental health proposals by gun supporting politicians? Seems they could propose something tomorrow of they wanted to, right?

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’ll be fair here, the 2nd amendment isn’t going anywhere and the left aren’t interested in opening up mental institutions. That ain’t gonna happen. you could have a mental institution on every street corner and it wont stop the massacres. Thats the thing with crazy people , they dont realize they're crazy, thats what makes them crazy. So the shootings will continue under Trump, thats 18 so far this year and it isnt even March yet.

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For the lazy, yes. Not for the people that really have a legitimate need for them. there are millions of Americans that are legitimately in need of affordable health care, so you know they wont die when they get sick. But Trump would prefer to take that away from them so the military can make more bombs

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Here we go again.

This:

I know, so the left really has nothing to grasp ahold on

is a completely irrelevant response to this:

We aren't the ones blaming the shootings on some fuzzy "mental health issue."

. . .

If you think the right is going to scrap the 2nd amendment, then we really need to end the conversation, not going to happen, but the left are so overly worried and panicky, they should bring something to the table, mental health issue is a big concern, when I was a kid, if you were a complete loon, you got locked up in a nice padded cell, pumped with drugs and left until further notice

See my 12:07 post. It lays out how a certain poster is chasing their tail..

The Dems didn't do anything as well, they had 8 years and sat on their tuckuses and now they demand action

Yet again, the Dems aren't spouting off about mental health issues, the right is whilst cutting funding for mental health care.

I think you just described the left, they don't care about the DACA dreamers, a life of a fetus, other peoples religions, but they sure do care a lot about guns. Hmmm...

It wasn't the left that ended DACA. It isn't the left constantly raving about how evil and dangerous Muslims are.

Firearms kill humans. 17 students just died and you post this nonsense.

You and I are not so much different, we have the same deep rooted animosity inside us about the current and previous President

Nothing alike. We can and do point to very specific, rationale reasons for the deep rooted animosity towards the current president. You just make nebulous, factually incorrect claims about the previous president.

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So which is it? They won’t get rid of the 2nd amendment, so what else can they do, what is their part as far as prevention of a crazy shooter that is on a mission of unleashing domestic terrorism on our streets, willing to hurt or kill people? They should be for opening up mental asylums, that’s the least they can do, because the GOP will fight to keep the 2nd amendment intact

What is the republican idea for preventing the firearm violence ravaging the US because they aren't pushing to open more mental health care facilities; they are for cutting mental health care. By this posters' logic, the republicans are for firearm violence.

Wow. Just wow.

How do you Trumpophiles feel about this profanity?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/tweeters-rip-donald-trump-over-082743272.html

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See my 12:07 post. It lays out how a certain poster is chasing their tail..

Not chasing their tail, just saying what the reality is.

Yet again, the Dems aren't spouting off about mental health issues, the right is whilst cutting funding for mental health care.

Maybe they might do something now, as for the 2nd amendment, don't bet on it.

It wasn't the left that ended DACA.

Yes, it was. They refused the bigger than generous offer proposed to them an offer that most conservatives hate with a passion.

It isn't the left constantly raving about how evil and dangerous Muslims are.

We were talking about radical Islamists, nothing more

Firearms kill humans. 17 students just died and you post this nonsense.

Not nonsense, the truth.

Nothing alike. We can and do point to very specific, rationale reasons for the deep rooted animosity towards the current president. You just make nebulous, factually incorrect claims about the previous president.

No alike, we have the same animosity, you towards one President and me towards another. You make claims and so do I nothing incorrect at all. We just have a strong difference of opinion.

What is the republican idea for preventing the firearm violence ravaging the US because they aren't pushing to open more mental health care facilities; they are for cutting mental health care.

You are seeing more calls from the right to look into mental health care options, that's a start, so I think the left doesn't have to panic, but again, if the left thinks that congress is going to come up with sweeping actions to block the sale of the AR-15 I don't see it happening, I just don't, but to be fair, they should do something about bump stocks, I would be willing to go that far, but that's it as far as it will probably go.

By this posters' logic, the republicans are for firearm violence.

Wow. Just wow.

How do you Trumpophiles feel about this profanity?

You are presenting one side of the argument, there are millions that vehemently disagree on gun control.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/after-florida-shooting-politicians-waste-no-time-speaking-up-on-gun-control/article38004042/

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Maybe they might do something now, as for the 2nd amendment, don't bet on it.

Uh . . . I'm not. I understand the ignorance that feeds the lack of reasonability regarding the second amendment.

Yes, it was. They refused the bigger than generous offer proposed to them an offer that most conservatives hate with a passion.

Trump was a democrat when he cancelled DACA?

No alike, we have the same animosity, you towards one President and me towards another. You make claims and so do I nothing incorrect at all. We just have a strong difference of opinion.

You refuse to accept facts and only provide opinions.

You are seeing more calls from the right to look into mental health care options, that's a start

After gutting funding for mental health care. Great start.

You are presenting one side of the argument, there are millions that vehemently disagree on gun control.

You clearly didn't bother to read the link I provided.

You also didn't read the link you posted. It demonstrates yet again the rights refusal to do anything about firearm violence. It supported my position.

But after a gunman killed 17 students at a Florida high school with a legally purchased rifle, gun-control advocates served notice that they will not shy away from naming what they saw as the cause of the massacre.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/after-florida-shooting-politicians-waste-no-time-speaking-up-on-gun-control/article38004042/

. . .

Brilliant critical discourse skillz.

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I believe we can acknowledge first and foremost that guns are not going anywhere in the US. So those easy to fly off the handle should take a deep breath and relax.

The 2nd Amendment has varying interpretations depending on the logic and inherent biases of the person making sense of it. The oddity to me is that the Supreme Court visits these amendments over the years based on court cases, and makes rulings that more-or-less brings these Amendments into more practical times and applications (1st Amendment is a prime example). Why is their no universal upheaval in the US when any other Amendments are ruled on for modern day times, but even the mere mention of doing the same for the 2nd Amendment draws instant outrage and baby-like behavior?

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Uh . . . I'm not. I understand the ignorance that feeds the lack of reasonability regarding the second amendment.

You can call it ignorance if you like, that is your entitled opinion, most of us don't think so.

Trump was a democrat when he cancelled DACA?

No, but he understands the severity of the situation. So if the Dems don't want to take the deal, March is around the corner or they will just keep kicking that can down the road, either way, the Dreamers are headed for a nightmare.

You refuse to accept facts and only provide opinions.

Same as you, we just differ and have opposing views.

After gutting funding for mental health care. Great start.

Well, maybe there might be room for a door to discuss it you never know.

You also didn't read the link you posted. It demonstrates yet again the rights refusal to do anything about firearm violence. It supported my position.

Of course I read it. But I think you are flat wrong.

http://archive.naplesnews.com/news/politics/obamas-executive-order-on-guns-draws-fire-from-some-florida-gun-supporters-28990e2b-0425-122f-e053-0-364303501.html

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Of course I read it. But I think you are flat wrong.

Perhaps you should re-read it, or the part I quoted. Then you may understand how utterly incorrect you were about that article.

No, but he understands the severity of the situation. So if the Dems don't want to take the deal, March is around the corner or they will just keep kicking that can down the road, either way, the Dreamers are headed for a nightmare

In your 9:22 post you asserted it was the Dems that ended DACA. Then I corrected you by pointing out Trump cancelled DACA. Then you reply with the directly above irrelevance. Nice.

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The GOP aren’t the ones trying to take away and undo the 2nd amendment.

Who is trying to “take away and undo the 2nd amendment”? Provide evidence of any Democrat who is trying to do so. Unless you think the 2nd amendment specifically applies to protecting assault rifles, bump stocks, armor piercing bullets, unlimited purchases of ammo, and gun owners with a history of threatening and violent behavior.

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Trump should just admit that massacres like these are on his hands. He is the one who made it easier for people with mental disorders to more easily get their hands on guns in the first place. He is the one who turns a blind eye to the numbers of murders committed by white supremacists which have more than doubled in the past year since he's been in office.

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Banning deadly assault weapons. Gun ownership registration. Testing before being allowed to own a gun just like the requirement for a driving license. All can be done without even changing the 2nd amendment. Allow victims and their families to sue the gun manufacturers. Kill or hurt someone with your car and the insurance pays. DUI gets you banned and even jailed at times but not the same for being drunk while carrying guns.

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Perhaps you should re-read it, or the part I quoted. Then you may understand how utterly incorrect you were about that article.

I did. I really did, but I vehemently disagree with you.

In your 9:22 post you asserted it was the Dems that ended DACA. Then I corrected you by pointing out Trump cancelled DACA. Then you reply with the directly above irrelevance. Nice

No, it’s very relevant. Trump went up from 800k to almost legalizing 2 million illegal aliens and the trade off was funding for the wall, end the chain migration and end the visa lottery program. The Dems said, No. Trump above and beyond, even angering his base to make this offer. The Dems don’t want to give Trump what he wants and he will not give the Dems what they want.

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 i did. I really did, but I vehemently disagree with you.

Then cut and paste a couple of passages from the article that support your position.

No, it’s very relevant. Trump went up from 800k to almost legalizing 2 million illegal aliens and the trade off was funding for the wall, end the chain migration and end the visa lottery program. The Dems said, No. Trump above and beyond, even angering his base to make this offer. The Dems don’t want to give Trump what he wants and he will not give the Dems what they want.

This does not change the fact that Trump cancelled DACA.

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and the trade off was funding for the wall

That's a big scam because there will be no wall. And even if so they will just use ladders. Trump scammed his voters just like Reagan did.

end the chain migration and end the visa lottery program. 

This can't be done with a Twitter account.

The Dems don’t want to

The Dems are not in control now.

they should do something about bump stocks,

That's against 2A

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This does not change the fact that Trump cancelled DACA.

Yes, because the left said, No to the Presidents proposals, and rightfully so, if the Dems really cared, they would have taken the offer, they didn’t, March is around the corner and if not March, then nothing. Too bad.

The Dems want everything, but won’t give the President anything, I guess, both sides won’t get anything then.

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The Dems want everything

The Republicans are in control. It's a problem within that party. It is because most of them don't believe in the wall scam. They also know that ladders can be used to go over walls.

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The single most powerful change to gun control requires no constitutional changes. Introduce law allowing victims and their families of gun crime to sue the manufacturers for damages. America is a society built on litigations.

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Republicans cancel Daca and somehow think it’s the Democrats fault. Pure delusion.

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Who is trying to “take away and undo the 2nd amendment”? Provide evidence of any Democrat who is trying to do so.

You think trying to ban assault guns is going to bring down gun deaths? You bought that line.

Unless you think the 2nd amendment specifically applies to protecting assault rifles,

No, all law-abiding gun owners.

bump stocks, armor piercing bullets, unlimited purchases of ammo, and gun owners with a history of threatening and violent behavior.

You have more ANTIFA loons running around violently attacking people and by the way, if it is so bad as you say, what about the killings of cities like Chicago, the left is always silent, not a single word, I find it very one-sided, selfish and racist.

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Republicans cancel Daca and somehow think it’s the Democrats fault. Pure delusion

Yes or am I mistaken, did they take Trump’s overly generous offer? They did not, so why go further with any conversations? That is just delusional nonsense.

The single most powerful change to gun control requires no constitutional changes. Introduce law allowing victims and their families of gun crime to sue the manufacturers for damages. America is a society built on litigations.

Ok, so you would like to ban AR-15 and then what?

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You have more ANTIFA loons

This recent school shooter was on the right and was a Trump supporter.

what about the killings of cities like Chicago

Those are between two people and not mass shooting. The shooters in Chicago don't shoot up schools like this recent Trump supporter did. Mass shooters are helping create big government. But the left do want gun registration. The right want machine guns that can be easily purchased. Overall murders are at historical lows anyway. It's time to clean up a few loose ends like a ban on new semi auto sales and gun registration for all.

You think trying to ban assault guns is going to bring down gun deaths? You bought that line.

Yes.

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Ok, so you would like to ban AR-15 and then what?

I think all assault weapons should be banned.

Then work at introducing the same gun laws Australia did 20 years ago banning assault weapons and since that date not a single mass shootings and more than 700,000 weapons hand in and off the streets.

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so you would like to ban AR-15 and then what?

Yes, then complete gun registration with a tax. Why should the tax of non-gun owners be used for this? They actually do this for some military grade weaponry made up to the mid-80s (any NRA 2A person should know this and if not then you are not true 2A NRA). In certain cases let civilians own semi autos but very very scrutinized. Do you have an AR? Then why?

did they take Trump’s overly generous offer? 

The Republicans didn't even take it.

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You think trying to ban assault guns is going to bring down gun deaths? You bought that line.

In this study of 108 mass shootings, 92 of them occurred before the assault weapons ban, and after it as well, with only 16 mass shootings in the ten years in which we had an assault weapons ban. If you divide those by the number of years (34 for non-ban years and 10 for ban years), you find that we had 2.71 shootings per year in non-ban years, and 1.6 shootings per ban year. That means we had 1.69 times as many mass shootings in non-ban years.

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/9740352

But don't let facts get in your way, "journalist."

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This recent school shooter was on the right and was a Trump supporter

And the guy that nearly murdered Sen. Scalise was a radical Dem and a Bernie supporter, were it not for having armed security that returned fire, the congressman would have been dead. Thank God they had their firearms to protect him.

Those are between two people and not mass shooting.

How do you calculate gangs and innocent people as two? Huh?

The shooters in Chicago don't shoot up schools like this recent Trump supporter did.

No, they just shoot up entire communities and engage in retaliatory attacks and shoot indiscriminately, bullets have no name what is Rahm doing? Oh, nothing, he has his own group of gun carrying bodyguards.

Mass shooters are helping create big government.

And they will fail as always.

But the left do want gun registration. The right want machine guns that can be easily purchased. Overall murders are at historical lows anyway.

Then we don’t need to worry about gun legislation.

It's time to clean up a few loose ends like a ban on new semi auto sales and gun registration for all.

Will never happen.

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You have more ANTIFA loons

Nikolas Cruz [the recent school shooter] Practiced Shooting While Wearing 'Make America Great Again' Hat, Video Shows

(news quote)

Proof this is Trump's fault and not President Hillary's like what Hannity and Friends are trying to spread lies about. It's all on Trump.

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engage in retaliatory attacks

Yes, between two people and not an entire school with an AR like this past Trump voter did.

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And the guy that nearly murdered Sen. Scalise was a radical Dem and a Bernie supporter, were it not for having armed security that returned fire, the congressman would have been dead. Thank God they had their firearms to protect him.

The incidents reported and under discussion are the mass shootings of the young Florida students and teacher by a 19-year-old with an assault weapon.

Armed and trained security guards. Armed and trained police force and the security agencies. Armed and train military. All have nothing to do with mass deaths by assault weapons.

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And the guy that nearly murdered Sen. Scalise was a radical Dem and a Bernie supporter, were it not for having armed security that returned fire, the congressman would have been dead. Thank God they had their firearms to protect him.

Armed security are the operative words. You know, people with proper training, not just any geek off the street.

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And they will fail as always.

Yes, because Hannity and Friends said that schools should nationalize security like at airports. Who is going to pay for that? Just like who is going to pay for Trump's wall? Even Republicans think it's stupid.

And the guy that nearly murdered Sen. Scalise

You make a good point to ban ARs. Because this guy was protected by armed staff and they could not stop the bullets.

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@Tommy

Rants won’t change the 2nd amendment.

*I think all assault weapons should be banned.*

I think the left are climbing up a pile of sand.

Then work at introducing the same gun laws

We won’t ban them, so what’s your proposal?

Australia did 20 years ago banning assault weapons and since that date not a single mass shootings and more than 700,000 weapons hand in and off the streets.

I don’t care about Australia, I’m an American, focus for a moment please. We have over 300 million gun owners, you will NOT get them banned, you will NOT get them all confiscated and even if that were to go into effect, the sales of the AR-15 would shoot through the roof (no pun intended) then we would be in the same situation. Wouldn’t help one bit.

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Armed security are the operative words. You know, people with proper training, not just any geek off the street.

Ahhhh, “rent a cops” yes, they do a great job like the TSA. Well, now I feel safe, warm and fuzzy.

Proof this is Trump's fault and not President Hillary's like what Hannity and Friends are trying to spread lies about. It's all on Trump.

It was the fault of the FBI, they had the lead and sat on it, what and why in God’s name, I know they had the hots for Trump, but you would think these bungling knuckle-heads would have least taken decisive action with that lead, they didn’t.

Yes, between two people and not an entire school with an AR like this past Trump voter did

Ok, so once again, if Blacks kill each other at an alarming rate, it’s not a problem, but this is a problem. Oh, the working inner minds of the liberal.

You make a good point to ban ARs. Because this guy was protected by armed staff and they could not stop the bullets.

More of a point to keep them, without them Scalise would be 6 feet under. I got two and I’m keeping mine.

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bass4funk

Ahhhh, “rent a cops” yes, they do a great job like the TSA. Well, now I feel safe, warm and fuzzy.

Disingenuous statement since for the last ten years or more, I think you have spent more than 90% of your life here in Japan and since you own no weapons here you reply on the armed police force for your protection. Fortunately for us we don't usually experience any kind of gun crime here.

As for living in America, I think even the majority of the gun owners are not walking around the streets carrying their weapons, and the civilians with open carry are in small numbers. The majority of the population don't even own a gun.

Everyone to some extend replies on the police, armed guards in banks, airports. Those people are putting their lives on the line for the sake of protecting people.

It was the fault of the FBI, they had the lead and sat on it,

Maybe the FBI did and there should be an investigation for the full facts, but the killer in Florida had not done anything illegal prior to the mass shooting so just what could have the FBI done to prevent the mass murders from happening? Certainly nothing to do with any investigation into the Russian story, since that is only involving a few of the 35,000 agents, and none of the FBI agents in Florida are involved in the investigations.

There are no straw men FBI agents.

More of a point to keep them, without them Scalise would be 6 feet under. I got two and I’m keeping mine.

You have two guns which are 100% useless for your protection while living in Japan and you could even be killed traveling to your home from the airport before you can even get those guns.

Rants won’t change the 2nd amendment.

Nor will Trump. the republicans or the democrats.

I don’t care about Australia, I’m an American, focus for a moment please.

You frequently lose the focus of the post but to be more accurate you are an American who is a long term resident of Japan.

We have over 300 million gun owners, you will NOT get them banned, 

Gross error by you.

There are not 300 million gun owners. There are an estimated 270-300 million guns. The number of people even owning a gun is 22-29% of the population. About 25% of the population own all the guns. 3% of the population own more than 50% of all guns. Less than 10 million Americans own 130-150 million of the guns.

you will NOT get them banned, 

That's true I'm not armed with the power to have anything banned, don't even have a vote. But I believe its American's like you who have no interest in finding real solutions to the national plague of mass shootings. You and others will accept because your right to own military type weapons is more of a priority than any school shooting and death of young children. Sad day again!

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 bass4funk

the shooting attack by James Hodgkinson who targeted Steve Scalise, was armed with an assault rifle.

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Ahhhh, “rent a cops” yes, they do a great job like the TSA. Well, now I feel safe, warm and fuzzy.

Who is going to pay for that. Proof the AR is creating big government. Maybe Mexico can pay? Who is going to pay for these rentacops?

Ok, so once again, if Blacks kill each other at an alarming rate

Right, there has to be gun registration all around. You have an unregistered gun? You get arrested. There can be no "It's none of your business what guns I have" because the government has to know. This works with fully automatic machine guns made before the mid-80s. There have been no mass attacks with these types of weapons. People with ARs could be grandfathered in (with strict regulation) but any new AR sale would be banned and every gun has to be registered to its owner.

I’m an American

Living in Japan with no gun allowed and what would you do to defend yourself here?

It was the fault of the FBI

They can't catch them all like with Las Vegas. Proof there needs to be a ban on ARs, at least new sales. Any gun needs strict serial number and registration enforcement. What is the practical purpose of an AR?

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On Saturday, in Florida a rally of thousands of people, angry students, teachers and neighbors of the high school where 17 people were killed, attended a rally in near by Fort Lauderdale protesting and demanding immediate action on gun-control legislation and were not not prepared to relent on those demands until they are met by the State and Federal Government.

They were also mourning the carnage of the mass shootings. The pain runs deep in this Florida community.

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Keeping it classy AF:

President Donald Trump and first lady Melania Trump attended a party at Mar-a-Lago on Friday just hours after visiting first responders and wounded survivors of the Parkland, Florida, school shooting that killed 17 people.

The event was a Studio 54-themed disco party . . ..

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-joins-mar-lago-disco-034437643.html

Catch that classy part?

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In a Tweet Trump blames the FBI Special Investigation for its failure on the Florida mass shooter.

Trump Tweet

Very sad that the FBI missed all of the many signals sent out by the Florida school shooter. This is not acceptable. They are spending too much time trying to prove Russian collusion with the Trump campaign - there is no collusion. Get back to the basics and make us all proud!

The Director of the FBI is involved along with 19 other people but only three are FBI agents. That would still leave 35,000 agents for any other business.

Trump also denies he said Russia wan't involved.

I never said Russia did not meddle in the election, I said “it may be Russia, or China or another country or group, or it may be a 400 pound genius sitting in bed and playing with his computer.” The Russian “hoax” was that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia - it never did!

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Notice clors of Melania's attires. She was a fashion model. She is showing her grief with the color of her attires. Great grief.

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It was the fault of the FBI, they had the lead and sat on it, what and why in God’s name, I know they had the hots for Trump, but you would think these bungling knuckle-heads would have least taken decisive action with that lead, they didn’t.

I thought it was just the top echelon of the FBI that were the problem. Now all the FBI are "bungling knuckle-heads?" Or do you think the upper echelons answer the tip lines?

Ok, so once again, if Blacks kill each other at an alarming rate, it’s not a problem, but this is a problem. Oh, the working inner minds of the liberal

Okay, so once again, literally nobody has ever said this. Nobody.

More of a point to keep them, without them Scalise would be 6 feet under. I got two and I’m keeping mine.

Given that no ARs were involved in the Scalise shooting, ARs didn't protect anyone.

Check our this watertight logic: Because firearms were used to neutralize a situation initially caused by firearms, firearms are to be valued. Uhh . . . Had the shooter not had firearms, the highly trained Capitol Police officers wouldn't have needed to use their firearms to neutralize the situation.

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We have over 300 million gun owners

the estimated total population of the u.s. as of december 8, 2017 was 325,467,306.

a 2017 pew study puts gun ownership at around 30% [a bit under 100 million people]

math is hard, i guess

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Bass:

And the guy that nearly murdered Sen. Scalise was a radical Dem and a Bernie supporter, were it not for having armed security that returned fire, the congressman would have been dead. Thank God they had their firearms to protect him.

Me:

Armed security are the operative words. You know, people with proper training, not just any geek off the street.

Bass:

Ahhhh, “rent a cops” yes, they do a great job like the TSA. Well, now I feel safe, warm and fuzzy.

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a 2017 pew study puts gun ownership at around 30% [a bit under 100 million people]

It's not a straight-line calculation.

*Total number of guns: **No official figure exists but there are thought to be about 300 million*

https://www.google.co.jp/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-34996604

. . .

About four-in-ten Americans say they either own a gun themselves or live in a household with a gun

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/06/22/key-takeaways-on-americans-views-of-guns-and-gun-ownership/

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the shooting attack by James Hodgkinson who targeted Steve Scalise, was armed with an assault rifle.

That’s not the point, the man that shot him was a raging liberal loon, so whether it was a rifle or an AR-15 the point is, it doesn’t matter, if someone wants to kill you and do it in a massive way, they will find a way, the Jihadists do it in Europe all the time and they don’t have guns. Wake up.

Living in Japan with no gun allowed and what would you do to defend yourself here?

Only 3-6 months out of the year and then I can go back to hunting again, so I’m good.

Proof there needs to be a ban on ARs, at least new sales. Any gun needs strict serial number and registration enforcement. What is the practical purpose of an AR?

Because the 2nd amendment allows me, because I can and because I’m a gun collector.

As for living in America, I think even the majority of the gun owners are not walking around the streets carrying their weapons, and the civilians with open carry are in small numbers. The majority of the population don't even own a gun.

What? Ok, let’s clear that up. I’m an NRA member and supporter, I know that’s just a bunch of crap.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/249740/percentage-of-households-in-the-united-states-owning-a-firearm/

Everyone to some extend replies on the police, armed guards in banks, airports. Those people are putting their lives on the line for the sake of protecting people.

No, you can’t always rely on the police.

https://www.thetrace.org/2017/08/hurricane-harvey-houston-gun-shop-owner-bullets-hot-commodity/

“Our phones are blowing off the hook,” said James Hillin, the owner of Full Armor Firearms in Houston, which made it through the storm without flooding. “What people want is ammo. People want to arm up and protect themselves from the looters.”

There are no straw men FBI agents

I was referring to the top echelon of the Department, not the good rank and file men and women, big distinction.

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I thought it was just the top echelon of the FBI that were the problem. Now all the FBI are "bungling knuckle-heads?" Or do you think the upper echelons answer the tip lines?

True, but I’m talking about the other set of agents that bungled this.

Okay, so once again, literally nobody has ever said this. Nobody.

That’s the problem.

Given that no ARs were involved in the Scalise shooting, ARs didn't protect anyone.

Doesn't matter, the point was, you had a deranged shooter that was trying to kill a sitting congressman. AR or rifle, the intent and the goal purpose is still the same.

Check our this watertight logic: Because firearms were used to neutralize a situation initially caused by firearms, firearms are to be valued. Uhh . . . Had the shooter not had firearms, the highly trained Capitol Police officers wouldn't have needed to use their firearms to neutralize the situation.

Use this logic for more realistic revelance. Out of the majority of Terrorist attacks that happened in Europe especially recently with the use of trucks, firearms weren’t used and the other times when a firearm was used, the terrorists had for quite awhile the upper hand and took awhile before they were met with sufficient fire power. Either way, whether it’s a truck or a bomb or a gun, when a person wants to inflict massive damage, it’s not that hard to do, quite the opposite. Thanks, but No thanks, I’ll gladly hold on to my firearms.

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bass4funk

That’s not the point, the man that shot him was a raging liberal loon, so whether it was a rifle or an AR-15 the point is, it doesn’t matter, if someone wants to kill you and do it in a massive way, they will find a way, the Jihadists do it in Europe all the time and they don’t have guns. Wake up.

And the Los Vegas shooter was he also a raging lib loon or Dylann Roof shooting up a black church was he too another one? The most common weapon used in mass shootings are the assault guns.

You seemed to have missed out all the serious gun shootings in France and Belgium by armed Jihadists. Guess you never read the European news just the Japanese media? There was also the insane rightwing guy in Norway.

Only 3-6 months out of the year and then I can go back to hunting again, so I’m good.

I think you actually live in Japan longer than 6 months of the year and indicted by the time of your posts.

I’m a gun collector.

You stated you own two guns so that alone does not make you a gun collector. 5% of the population own more than 50% of all guns or 150 million weapons.

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bass4funk: "I did. I really did, but I vehemently disagree with you."

So, you supposedly read the link, but have just chosen not to believe the facts and instead create your own. Sounds about right... and you still haven't posted any of the parts of the article that you claim prove your point, as Tommy has challenged you to do. Oops!

"Doesn't matter, the point was, you had a deranged shooter that was trying to kill a sitting congressman. AR or rifle, the intent and the goal purpose is still the same."

Without either, the intent could not have been carried out. Period.

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Only 3-6 months out of the year and then I can go back to hunting again, so I’m good.

You can hunt in Japan. Nothing special.

the man that shot him was a raging liberal loon

The recent Florida shooter is a Trump supporter (he wore a MAGA hat) and killed 17. Also, Dyllan Roof is a white supremacist and a Trump supporter. The BTK killer was a born again Christian Jesus freak.

I know that’s just a bunch of crap.

No, it's true. A smaller number of households were buying many guns. But more and more households don't have guns. And a smaller number of people like the Bundies are buying more guns so one person has like 10-20 guns. Remington is going out of business.

you had a deranged shooter that was trying to kill a sitting congressman. AR or rifle, the intent and the goal purpose is still the same.

That's on him. He supports these deadly weapons. I can't believe he still does. The AR's bullets hit his organs violently and he will be going to the bathroom through a stoma into a plastic bag for the rest of his life due to his party's policies. He has to live with this. It's brainwash and he can never use a regular toilet again.

Either way, whether it’s a truck

You can't drive a truck through a school hallway. How can we protect these children without taxpayer expense?

No, you can’t always rely on the police.

Then what do you do for protection in Japan? People here attack in gangs and have swords.

Because the 2nd amendment allows me

That includes bump stocks. Should they be allowed?

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Bass:

Ok, so once again, if Blacks kill each other at an alarming rate, it’s not a problem, but this is a problem. Oh, the working inner minds of the liberal

Me:

Okay, so once again, literally nobody has ever said this. Nobody.

Bass:

That’s the problem.

The problem is that nobody said black killing each other at an alarming rate wasn't a problem?

Doesn't matter, the point was, you had a deranged shooter that was trying to kill a sitting congressman. AR or rifle, the intent and the goal purpose is still the same.

And had the shooter not had access to the weapons he used, there would have been no shooting.

Use this logic for more realistic revelance

I used your own logic to write this:

Check our this watertight logic: Because firearms were used to neutralize a situation initially caused by firearms, firearms are to be valued. Uhh . . . Had the shooter not had firearms, the highly trained Capitol Police officers wouldn't have needed to use their firearms to neutralize the situation.

Since we were discussing the shooting of the congressman, what I wrote was relevant.

You really aren't good at critical discourse, are you? Refuse or alter facts you disagree with, obfuscate, etc. very sophisticated.

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