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But the interruption seemed to embolden those in the sparse crowd.

Ha ha aha ha ahahhah ahhha ahahah hhhaaaaa haaa.

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effort to persuade voters that the celebrity businessman can appear empathetic and presidential in a crisis.

And it sounds like he failed. Leopards and spots.

Why should anyone - beyond his cadre of true believers waiting for a messiah to save them from the messes they've made of their lives - believe that a man whose entire existence has shown he's a money-grubbing, me-centric bully could suddenly become anything near presidential? Or dogcather-ial for that matter. Trump Steaks? And Trump U, too.

It would be interesting if you'd show your tax returns, Don. And your actual health reports.

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@PTownsend: And Hillary (& Bubba) isn't money-grubbing?

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@PTownsend: And Hillary (& Bubba) isn't money-grubbing?

Whaddabout redux. Once again the best the Trump supporters can do. Why are Trump supporters unable to find reasons to support Trump beyond 'I don't like Hillary' and 'he's gonna build a wall'? Can you list any policies he's actually proposing and why you think they are better than Clinton's? I know: whatabboutcatchingbenghazilibs rofl.

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REF: PeterTownsend: No; Clinton is the WORST of the WORST....and, as usual, if our choices are; as some people see it: Evil or Evil, I, for one, will pick the LESSOR of the Evils, thank you. "We invite contrasting points of view ". (tm) WJXT TV, Jacksonville Florida

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Trump also has his eye on a good showing in the industrial Midwest, though polls have him down in Michigan, which last went Republican in 1988.

1988?? Explains a lot! it was more about Trump being a Republican rather than being Trump. I don't know what he was thinking going to Michael Moore country.

@PT How about Hillary's? What are her policies? If she's so good, Trump, like hi. Or not has been proposing substantive polices from his tax plan to maternity pay, immigration. So my question to you is besides wanting to raise more taxes and throw Blacks more money in the form of entitlements, what are her other policies?

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@bass what are her other policies

If you read them and have a comment beyond whaddaboutlibswhyhaven'ttheycaughtbenghazidogwhistlesrofl, I'll respond.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/

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Then they can continue to be the authors of their own misfortune.

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Addressing dozens of bystanders in Flint, the esteemed historian Donald J Trump said that NAFTA was possibly the worst trade agreement in the history of the world. So TPP isn't as bad comparatively? No trade agreements will be allowed under Trump?

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One woman shouted that Trump had used discriminatory housing practices in his buildings, causing the celebrity businessman to respond, “Never, you’re wrong. Never would.”

But Donald, the fact that you did -- and that you learned it from your father -- is well-documented.

"When a black woman asked to rent an apartment in a Brooklyn complex managed by Donald Trump’s real estate company, she said she was told that nothing was available. A short time later, a white woman who made the same request was invited to choose between two available apartments....The two would-be renters on that July 1972 day were actually undercover “testers” for a ­government-sanctioned investigation to determine whether Trump Management Inc. discriminated against minorities seeking housing at properties across Brooklyn and Queens....

"Two former Trump employees, a husband and wife who rented properties, were quoted in court documents as saying they were told that the company wanted to rent only to “Jews and Executives” and “discouraged rental to blacks.” The couple told the government’s lawyers that they were advised that “a racial code was in effect, blacks being referred to as ‘No. 9.’ ” (source: "Inside the government’s racial bias case against Donald Trump’s company, and how he fought it" from The Washington Post.)

So, it appears that Trump's denials are No. 2. Donald Trump is a devious liar, even by the standards of politics.

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PTownsend, nice that you provided a link for bassyboy, but these people (teabaggers) don't wAnt to read ANYTHING that might interfer or, my god, "complicate" their world (ha ha ha) view. I know, just had a teabagger cousin curse and insult me over criticizing his new discovery, Gary Johnson' the liberatarian candidate. That's all these people can do. Completely brainwashed, like Moonies.

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One black woman, Reneta Richard, yelled at him “What do you mean, ‘African-Americans have nothing to lose?’”

It's just something Republicans say to other Republicans when talking about black people. They think it sounds good, especially on internet message boards and in their media.

At the heart of it is the hope that the GOP can capture black votes without having to actually change any of their policies. It's part of a "no pain, all gain" strategy. You're black, so you live in crap, so you have nothing to lose by voting for Trump oh and the Democrats are racist and buy your votes with food stamps because politics is way beyond your comprehension.

But I don't need to tell a black person that. They must already know.

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If Republicans care about lead safety in poor neighborhoods, why do they (see Michigan's neighbor Scott Walker) write weaker lead safety laws to repay six figure donations? Aw shucks, that must be coincidental. What is a little lead in your kid's bloodstream, anyway?

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@PT

Seriously? That's like checking the McDonald's website and reading that they serve the highest quality food, I mean, would they ever write "our food is crap?" Come on, dude....

"When a black woman asked to rent an apartment in a Brooklyn complex managed by Donald Trump’s real estate company, she said she was told that nothing was available. A short time later, a white woman who made the same request was invited to choose between two available apartments....The two would-be renters on that July 1972 day were actually undercover “testers” for a ­government-sanctioned investigation to determine whether Trump Management Inc. discriminated against minorities seeking housing at properties across Brooklyn and Queens....

While you're going back through the liberal time machine reminiscing about the very long past, how about talking about when Hillary called Blacks Super predators? You weren't outraged about that? Or how about talking about 50 years, plus liberal policies that have devastated most of the largest Black communities throughout the country, please don't leave that out as well.

So, it appears that Trump's denials are No. 2. Donald Trump is a devious liar, even by the standards of politics.

And the selective liberal progressive left crowd as well.

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Comical. Trump heckled a little bit by a few people in a "sparse" crowd so he flees in tears like a weeping coward. This moron is the epitome of why companies prefer to move their manufacturing operations out of the US in the first place

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how about talking about when Hillary called Blacks Super predators?

Didn't happen.

Let's stick with reality, shall we.

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Gutsy to go to Flint, and even gutsier to go to a black church. Nice job Donald!!

Donald goes to Flint, Hillary goes to the Hamptons.

Ha ha aha ha ahahhah ahhha ahahah hhhaaaaa haha.

One black woman, Reneta Richard, yelled at him “What do you mean, ‘African-Americans have nothing to lose?’”

Trump should have shot back.."Well, you've had over two decades of Democrat Mayors. You tell me."

One word...NAFTA

Hmmmm

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He was brave to go there in the first place, I suppose. But did he expect to get a good reaction?

Transparently seen through for the charlatan he is, he fled with his tail between his legs. Thoroughly unimpressive.

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Gutsy to go to Flint, and even gutsier to go to a black church.

For Donald 'Look at my African-American over here!' Trump, sure - anytime he's in a room with a black person, it makes news.

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Didn't happen.

Wt.....

Let's stick with reality, shall we.

Ok, I'm all for that!

https://youtu.be/RwFii9IYTIw

https://youtu.be/j0uCrA7ePno

Now that we cleared up the air, I agree, Trump should have nailed them on the failed policies of Democratic leadership in that State, they booed him, but these people complain and vote for the same stupid people that keep writing the same stupid policies that screw everything up in that state.

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Well... I rather have Turmp screw the system up so bad we need to "reboot" and start anew, rather than Clinton continue making millions from her political connections and feed her investors.

I don' like either candidate, they both are insults to America and they both are ill minded people. Let's just get Bugs Bunny in as POTUS and end this clown show.

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Ronald Reagan gave a speech in front of the NAACP many many years ago in the early 80s.... you can google it.....

people say that Trump has what it takes to be president... remember that.....

and Reagan did not get a single BOO or jeer. And he got polite applause. People were respectful. But really more than that, because a person cannot choose their audience any worse than Ronald Reagan in front of the NAACP, Reagan did not say anything stupid or infuriating or outrageous.

I was there. I was part of Reagan's team, and I thought we were in trouble, but no. Are you kidding? The whole thing was a success. It was boring. A huge hall of almost 100% black people. Some nodding. Some not. Ho hum.

I don't think booing Donald Trump is particularly great, and I don't know the people from Flint, but I DO KNOW that Reagan could see the lines he could not step over, and Trump can't. He lacks self-awareness and situational awareness. Trump can't do the job. Reagan, whatever people might say, did the job.

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Trump should have nailed them on the failed policies of Democratic leadership in that State,

The Governor of Michigan is a Republican. Both houses of the Michigan legislature are controlled by Republicans.

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For Donald 'Look at my African-American over here!' Trump, sure - anytime he's in a room with a black person, it makes news.

I think it's bigger news to see so many Blacks murdered in Chicago every single day, but I'm sure Rahm Emanuel has it all under control...I mean, what's another 1 or 10 years, they had 50 years the Democrats....

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Donald goes to Flint, Hillary goes to the Hamptons.

And President Obama goes to a church in Charleston, South Carolina and sings Amazing Grace. Unlike yourself, the affection of everyday people for our president is real, and growing. And he totally supports Mrs. Clinton as he slams Trump as totally unfit.

Or how about talking about 50 years, plus liberal policies that have devastated most of the largest Black communities throughout the country, please don't leave that out as well.

I was born in Detroit in the early 1950s and lived there into the early 70s. The most vicious race riots in Detroit happened under Republican city administrations in the 1940s. (See Richard Reading and Edward Jeffries.) Liberal policies were a response to the devastation that was already evident in the ghettos, where the property was all owned but never maintained by white slumlords.

The decision to move to untreated river water, which ended up poisoning the people of Flint was made by a Republican emergency manager appointed by the Republican governor, Rick Snyder. The mayor and city council of Flint were powerless to stop the event, even if they had wanted to. The technocrats in the state department for water quality -- that reported to Snyder -- inexplicably did not want to spent the roughly $100/day to treat the river water to prevent the pipes from corroding and releasing lead into the water water supply.

This resulted in a billion-dollar problem -- not even factoring in all of the health costs. That's Republican management for you.

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these people complain and vote for the same stupid people that keep writing the same stupid policies that screw everything up in that state.

The Governor of Michigan is a Republican. Both houses of the Michigan legislature have been controlled by Republicans for the past five years and for most of the past twenty years.

If you're going to insult Michiganders, get your facts straight first.

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Ok, I'm all for that!

https://youtu.be/j0uCrA7ePno

I watched the video, she didn't call blacks super-predators. Did you watch a different video? She used the word(s?) super-predator, but not in reference to black people.

As I said, let's keep it in the realms of reality, okay?

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I think it's bigger news to see so many Blacks murdered in Chicago every single day,

Look! Over there! A squirrel!

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I watched the video, she didn't call blacks super-predators. Did you watch a different video? She used the word(s?) super-predator, but not in reference to black people.

The term super-predator was coined and popularized by social scientist, John DiIulio, in the early 90s. It refers to young people of ALL types who have no hope for the future and no respect for life. DiIulio claimed that inner cities would be among the places where these types would develop. (He was invited to a dinner at the White House by the Clintons in '95, which is where Hillary got the term.)

Dilulio is a conservative and held a position in the George W. Bush administration. I find it fascinating and telling that people forget the origin of the term and try to use it against Hillary Clinton.

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And another thing:

... throw Blacks more money in the form of entitlements....

Correct me if I am wrong, but I cannot think of a single entitlement program that stipulates "blacks only." In fact, statistics show that whites make up a far greater percentage of SNAP users than blacks. As a percentage of the population, blacks have a higher participation rate, but that is because black poverty rates are higher - and one reason is due to inherent racism that leads to comments like that above and, to be frank, Donald Trump.

It is the "What's Wrong with Kansas?" paradox - farmers there benefit hugely from massive Federal spending yet rail against "entitlements for blacks." Without SNAP, entire communities encompassing hundreds of thousands of people - mostly white - in Appalachia and other poor southern states would dissolve, and people would starve.

One would think those of us whites who have chosen to spend their lives as expatriots would have overcome - or at least learned to recognize - tribalism.

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Well done to these people for sending this trash packing. Get back to your whooping boneheads.

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The term super-predator was coined and popularized by social scientist, John DiIulio, in the early 90s. It refers to young people of ALL types who have no hope for the future and no respect for life. DiIulio claimed that inner cities would be among the places where these types would develop.

And regardless, Bass' claim was that she called 'blacks' (forgive me for mirroring his term without putting it in quotes in my previous post) super-predators. I watched the video, she didn't.

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@PlasticM Look! Over there! A squirrel!

Can you also see the dead ones they've beaten so long that they've morphed into lying zombie squirrels?

As George Costanza (Can'tstandya) said, 'It's not a lie if you believe it'. True believers live in Factfreeland, a place they can unearth new categories of stupid on a daily basis.

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I was born in Detroit in the early 1950s and lived there into the early 70s. The most vicious race riots in Detroit happened under Republican city administrations in the 1940s. (See Richard Reading and Edward Jeffries.) Liberal policies were a response to the devastation that was already evident in the ghettos, where the property was all owned but never maintained by white slumlords.

That is true and then how has Detroit changed or more importantly, how has the Black community changed since the Democrats taking over? Is Detroit once again the shining beaming star it once was?

Regardless? Wow? Ok, so we should give Hillary a pass? Everyone in their right mind heard it, saw it, but YOU say, she didn't because, you don't want to believe it?

I'm sorry, Strange-maybe Ice Cube can explain it better or is he also senile and doesn't know what he's talking about?

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/videos/2016-04-13/rapper-ice-cube-on-hillary-clinton-s-super-predators-comment

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I'm sorry, Strange-maybe Ice Cube can explain it better or is he also senile and doesn't know what he's talking about?

He never said she called 'blacks' super-predators either.

So far you've provided two videos, one of her making the comment, which didn't support your claims of what she said, then another video, that has someone talking about what she actually said, and not what you claimed she said.

Maybe you should watch your original video, and listen to what she actually said, rather than the lies that your right-wing MSM tells you.

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Rev. Faith Green Timmons interrupted him. “Mr. Trump, I invited you here to thank us for what we’ve done in Flint. Not to give a political speech,” he said. Trump relented, saying, “Okay. That’s good. I’m going to go back to Flint.”

Pena Nieto: We are not paying for the wall. Trump: Okay, we won't talk about that.

Putin: I don't like NATO. Can you help me out? Trump: Okay, no problem.

If only our debate moderators can take a cue from this courageous pastor...

We can't let people lie their way to the presidency.

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Trump is the only one who is self funded

Trump is not self-funded. Is this another lie they are telling you in your right-wing MSM?

He is a patriot who is actually concerned for the welfare of his country. He is a billionaire! He doesnt need to become the president.

You realize that this exact same logic applies to Hillary, right?

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bass: That is true and then how has Detroit changed or more importantly, how has the Black community changed since the Democrats taking over? Is Detroit once again the shining beaming star it once was?

So you were criticizing Democrats, got blindsided by reality, then....just kept talking about Democrats anyway.

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@strangerland

He is virually self funded most of his campaign. That is like denying 3 skyscrappers fell on 911.

Hillary is not a patriot. She is a carrer politician. Your logic is that if CNN tells you she only has pneumonia, you beleive it, although there is major video evidence to the contrary. It will come out soon that she has a major illness and all of you PCers can act shocked, while the rational critical thinkers will "About Time!".

Dont beleive me that the media isnt completely in her corner, controlling the weak minds? How about 2 days ago when the media repeated the same line "Power Through" through over 10 different pundits. A talking point from the Clinton campaign. AND YOU GUYS TRUST THESE PEOPLE?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E96lAHygeIU

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He is virually self funded most of his campaign.

Ha! - That's pretty funny. He received about $14 million in donations even during the primaries, and most of the money he's "given" his campaign has actually been lent; clearly, he plans to pay himself back.

And this does not even get into having virtually his entire family on his payroll, his campaign office paying above-market rent in Trump Tower, and campaign events being held at various Trump properties. He might not make much money off of his run, but he certainly won't lose much.

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but he certainly won't lose much.

point in case! HE IS LOSING MONEY, hmmmmm, so what does that tell you?

Maybe he actually wants to fix his country!

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Well that PR stunt backfired in a spectacular manner. Perhaps Trump was just wanting to actually meet a few brothers before being sent to gaol in an orange jumpsuit for the crimes of his foundation.

That is if his illness don't see him off first.

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...or, more likely, he's gearing up to establish Trump TV. Look at his advisers! For heavens sake, he went on a TV show today to discuss his health with some psuedo-TV doc. Trump never expected to win. He never wanted to win. He doesn't really want to win now. He wants to own a TV network similar to FOX. And do you know what? He will most probably fulfill his dream, acquiring his supporters as viewers - and most of them will never know how monumentally they've been duped.

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SO..... Now Trump wants to own a TV network and he doesn`t want to win?!

Come again?

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point in case! HE IS LOSING MONEY, hmmmmm, so what does that tell you?

You do know what 'self-funded' means, right? It means he funded the entire campaign himself. But he hasn't. It was loans initially, which are to be paid back by the Republican party (if they already haven't), and he has been going on donations ever since.

Hardly a self-funded campaign.

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Trump has hired former Breitbart chairman Steve Bannon as CEO of his campaign. He has as an adviser disgraced former Fox News chairman and CEO Roger Ailes. He has been badmouthing TV talking heads who used to be his friends as they will soon be his competition. And he's visiting black churches because he wants to be seen more as an Oprah than a David Duke - not because he thinks he has any chance of winning any votes. The writing on the wall is pretty clear for anyone who wants to read it.

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SuperLib: (on bass4funk) "So you were criticizing Democrats, got blindsided by reality, then....just kept talking about Democrats anyway."

He also says he's not partisan.

"The visit was part of the campaign’s effort to persuade voters that the celebrity businessman can appear empathetic and presidential in a crisis."

Hahahahaha!! And he ran out after a mere six minutes when he couldn't handle a couple of hecklers and them pointing out his lies?? HAHAHAHA!!

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Writing on a wall? ahhahahahahahahahh! You honestly think Trump wants to start a TV Channel!?

clearly Im wasting my time here

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You honestly think Trump wants to start a TV Channel!?

No, not just a TV channel. He wants to start a multi-media empire. Why do you think his kids are so behind him now? What would they do if he won? And then think, what would they do if he lost? With Hillary as president and his huge base of support - say, 35% of Americans - combined with what some view as taste and culture of wife and daughter and business acumen by Trump and his sons - he could shove his way into the big leagues very quickly. Really, barriers to entry in the media market are very small. All you really need is a hook. Fox had it with "Fair and Balanced," but their brand has gotten musty, as have most of the other right-wing bloviators such as Palin and Limbaugh and - what was that guy's name who used to use that chalkboard to outline his crazy conspiracy theories?

Anyway, it is a brilliant maneuver. He is now in the position to leverage what was marginal fame into something national and lasting enough for his kids to take over. I'm not saying he's stupid. I'm saying that those who trust in him are.

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how about talking about when Hillary called Blacks Super predators?

Didn't happen.

Let's stick with reality, shall we.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ronda-lee/hillarys-superpredator-comment_b_9655052.html

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WOW!

Now that is tinfoil hat material. Did you come up with "Donald Trumps Evil Plot" to fake his presidential bid in order to start a media empire? You didnt even make that up by yourself, did you?

@Strangerland

significant portion of his campaign funds, about 34 percent, come from individual contributions, Trump doesn’t appear to be actively soliciting these donations with high-profile fundraising events. The Sunlight Foundation, which advocates for transparency in money in politics, tracks political fundraisers with its Political Party Time tool. It has no record of any events to benefit Trump. In contrast, Political Party Time has recorded more than 280 fundraisers for Clinton and more than 150 for Bush since the start of 2015.

where are your facts?

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Trump might be able to to be more effective if he were spending meaningful time seeking out African-American voters and leaders. But Trump has tended to avoid black organizations and black communities. He skipped the annual convention of the NAACP, which is typically not a friendly audience for a GOP candidate. Trump is delivering his appeals to black voters in overwhelmingly white places. Problem for Trump is that he isn’t winning enough white voters to win the election.

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LA Times has Trump 5 points over Clinton.

More about his funding

Trump’s campaign brought in about $19.4 million by the end of 2015. Trump contributed nearly $13 million of that himself. Most of the remainder comes from individual contributions, which federal law caps at $2,700 per candidate per election.

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Kuya - I'll one up you even. Here is the actual video, as Bass posted earlier: https://youtu.be/j0uCrA7ePno

Watch it, and if you still think she calls 'blacks' super-predators, then quote her words here. Assuming English is your first language, and you are able to comprehend what you are hearing and writing, you'll realize that 'blacks' are not who she called super-predators.

significant portion of his campaign funds, about 34 percent, come from individual contributions

Thank you for agreeing that his campaign is not self-funded, and in fact that he is getting money from contributors.

But why are you shifting the goalposts now, after your own words show your claim was incorrect?

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He never said she called 'blacks' super-predators either.

Oh, my God, he did or did you hear him say that Democrats did a wonderful job for the Black community as well?

So far you've provided two videos, one of her making the comment, which didn't support your claims of what she said, then another video, that has someone talking about what she actually said, and not what you claimed she said.

No, you just won't accept, admit that Hillary said the Black predators comment, EVERY single outlet has the footage or maybe, we all see something different from you Strange? LMAO

Maybe you should watch your original video, and listen to what she actually said, rather than the lies that your right-wing MSM tells you.

Thank you, but I did and Ice Cube as well or are you trying to imply, he's just too dumb to know or understand, Interpret what Hillary meant, poor misguided Cube. Too funny. Maybe Bill Clinton never had sex with Lewinsky after all, the MSM just made it up. LOL

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Don't think it was gutsy nor bold to go to a black church but rather silly. What did he expect? Imo it reeks of ignorance and arrogance I.e 'am sure they like me over there, everyone likes me'.

And an already silly move became 'suicidal' when he started having a crack at Hillary. What a poorly ran campaign against who's essentially a weak opponent.

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point in case! HE IS LOSING MONEY, hmmmmm, so what does that tell you?

You do know what 'self-funded' means, right? It means he funded the entire campaign himself. But he hasn't. It was loans initially, which are to be paid back by the Republican party (if they already haven't), and he has been going on donations ever since.

Hardly a self-funded campaign.

More to the point, Trumph is making money off the election. He uses his company properties (airplane, helicopters, resorts and golf courses) and charges higher than normal rates to the campaign. When he was loaning money to his campaign, he was charging less. Now, his loans have been paid back by donors, he's stepped up the prices.

So, not only has he not lost money, he is the first candidate to make money on an election. Entrepreneurial or a money grab? I would like to give him credit and say the former, but the higher than market prices charged to the campaign makes it look like nothing more than a money grab.

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Oh, my God, he did

Nope.

or did you hear him say that Democrats did a wonderful job for the Black community as well?

What does that have to do with whether or not Hillary called 'blacks' super predators?

No, you just won't accept, admit that Hillary said the Black predators comment

What's to accept? You posted the video, I watched it, and she didn't say what you claim she said. If you disagree, quote her exact words right here, and I'll point out exactly how she wasn't calling 'blacks' super predators.

I think we both know that if you post her exact words here though, I'm going to point out exactly where your claim was wrong, which is why you keep trying to find other ways to deflect.

Thank you, but I did and Ice Cube as well or are you trying to imply, he's just too dumb to know or understand,

Not at all. As I pointed out earlier, his comments were in regards to what she actually said, not what you keep claiming she said. Which is where every link you have posted goes wrong - they all address her actual words, not the words you have incorrectly claimed she has said.

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At least he went. Good luck seeing the old Bush, or Cruz, or other republican candidates showing their faces in Flint, none of them would be able to find the time. One of the admirable things about Trump is that he actually reaches out to those who hate him most. You won't see Hillary attending an NRA event, or an evangelical Christian convention.

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Trump contributed nearly $13 million of that himself.

Yes! - that would be about 2/3 of what he spent in the primaries - and yet almost ALL of that (about $12.6 million) are loans rather than donations. I'm sure he means to recoup these funds. Also, of the $12 million Trump’s campaign spent in 2015, about $2.7 million went toward reimbursing Trump-affiliated companies for services provided to the campaign - which means he's already made a profit! The man is brilliant.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/feb/10/donald-trump/donald-trump-self-funding-his-campaign-sort/

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He also says he's not partisan.

Which is true.

"The visit was part of the campaign’s effort to persuade voters that the celebrity businessman can appear empathetic and presidential in a crisis."

Hahahahaha!! And he ran out after a mere six minutes when he couldn't handle a couple of hecklers and them pointing out his lies?? HAHAHAHA!!

So you're saying he should stay, hold his ground, agitate the people more and possibly create an uglier scene. For one thing, heckling people like that is totally disrespectful, if he were obnoxious directly to the people putting them down, I understand, but he didn't do that, and as a tolerant nation, we should give people the benefit of a doubt as long as they are not belligerent and hostile. If I were Trump, I would have left as well. I dislike Obama to the core, but I wasn't on board with the heckling and "you lie" crowd either. Yes, Trump said a lot of outlandish things in the past, but at least he's trying to tone it down, so I don't get the whole heckling bit.

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sangetsu, good point. it does indeed show charracter.

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"One of the admirable things about Trump is that he actually reaches out to those who hate him most."

Trying to shed his racist image to make himself more palatable to the more gullible members of the right doesn't strike me as admirable. Hillary Clinton at an NRA event would look as slimy and insincere as this. Best not do it.

Remember, Trump was heralded by the right as the man to cut through the crap.

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Hillary Clinton apologized on Thursday for remarks she made in a 1996 speech, in which she used the word superpredators to describe kids with “no conscience, no empathy” who committed crimes.

A Black Lives Matter activist interrupted Clinton at a private event in South Carolina on Wednesday, asking the former Secretary of State to answer for the remarks and apologize to black people for mass incarceration.

“In that speech, I was talking about the impact violent crime and vicious drug cartels were having on communities across the country and the particular danger they posed to children and families,” Clinton told the Washington Post on Thursday. “Looking back, I shouldn’t have used those words, and I wouldn’t use them today.”

I'm glad she admitted the nasty error of her ways and I think for onnce that was a good thing, so if Hillary can be apologetic about some of the dumb things she has said in the past, Trump can be equally as contrite. Let's not be hypocrites ya'll! If you cans can forgive Hillary, forgive Trump.

"One of the admirable things about Trump is that he actually reaches out to those who hate him most."

Hillary rubs off the same way, but a lot of people don't get those feelings because she's always incognito to give it a chance. Again, Trump doesn't need to take it, just walk away.

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Hillary Clinton apologized on Thursday for remarks she made in a 1996 speech, in which she used the word superpredators to describe kids with “no conscience, no empathy” who committed crimes.

That's odd, now you're posting text that backs up my point that she wasn't calling 'blacks' super-predators. Thank you I guess? I gotta say I'm surprised that you directly a post that shows you to have been incorrect in your assertion though.

And I note that you still didn't post her original words, but that would prove you wrong even further, so I can understand it.

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I guess she told his a**. 1/20/17 - "Madame President" !

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That's odd, now you're posting text that backs up my point that she wasn't calling 'blacks' super-predators. Thank you I guess? I gotta say I'm surprised that you directly a post that shows you to have been incorrect in your assertion though.

Can you go back and look at the title of the article and read it verbatim what it says? And i mean, the very article from Time, I posted. I could swear the title is in English and not German.

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Can you go back and look at the title of the article and read it verbatim what it says?

Article titles are often don't correctly reflect the content of the article. They are also written by someone other than the people about whom the article regards.

Your claim is that Hillary called 'blacks' super-predators. I pointed out how she didn't. You have now posted the video that proves that, and a quote from Hillary herself identifying the people to whom she was referring.

And you still haven't posted her actual words. There are two possible reasons for that:

1) You haven't actually watched the video where she says it, so you don't even realize that what you are saying is incorrect, or

2) You have watched it, and know exactly what she says, and don't want to post it here, knowing that it shows that she didn't call 'blacks' super predators.

Very telling.

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This "superpredators" discussion is unintentionally ironic. The panic over Flint's water supply is due to its elevated lead content. Lead is very bad; it leads to irreversible brain damage which affects behavior. As automobile use surged in the '50s and '60s, lead from gasoline rained down particularly heavily in urban areas. In the '70s, the EPA, noting the link between lead and neurological health, began active campaigns to ban it, not only from gasoline but from paint, pipes, and other products. Of course, Republicans were not happy about this, but all they could do was fight rearguard actions as the substance was banned from one use after another.

It wasn't a coincidence that crime peaked in the mid-90s - it was after that that a new generation of adolescents who were relatively lead-free emerged. Many sociologists and physicians have drawn links between these phenomena. The panic over the "superpredator" in the '80s and '90s was real - but then just vanished (witness the downward decline in crime rates).

I term this ironic because Trump, like most GOPers, despises the EPA. What message could he have brought to Flint that wasn't completely destructive?

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"But the interruption seemed to embolden those in the sparse crowd."

Hillary's crowds are typically sparse compared to Trump's huuuuuuuge crowds. Check it out.

Meanwhile Donald and Ivanka have a child care plan. What's Hillary got? Lies and scandals, lol

And, what's this, RealClearPolitics has Hillary up by a mere 1.8 points, what's up with that? But, of course, that still translates to an Electoral College landslide, lol, unless my buddy in California is right when he says the polls are bogus because almost everyone he knows, and he knows a lot of people, are voting for Trump...

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Well I think we should all bury or differences and vote for Gary Johnson, the libertarian candidate. Oh wait, when asked about Aleppo, he thought is was a European moped...

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Trump says to decrease black-on-black violence the solution is better schools, better families, etc. But says gun control won't help at all. In fact Trump says that more gun control will bring more black-on-black violence. I disagree with trump. Other comments?

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Tatanka - I think Gary Johnson should be given a pass on not knowing instantly what Aleppo was - after all, what percentage of adults in the world know what Aleppo is? Plus he's a libertarian, they're not prone to supporting miliary action in other countries even when it's necessary. By the way, what is Aleppo, anyway? ha ha

nishikat - This is one area where I too disagree with Trump, we need more gun control. If we simply enforced existing gun laws, it would be a significant imrovement. By Trump, as opposed to liberals and, apparently, Hillary, knows that more good paying jobs and better education is the best way to reduce violence and crime.

Oh, and this is interesting: "Was Trump lured into a trap at Flint, Michigan church?" ( Fox News )

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Article titles are often don't correctly reflect the content of the article. They are also written by someone other than the people about whom the article regards.

Dude, I have been in this business for over 25 years and I have to say, I have never laughed as much as I have today for a very long time. That was like saying Bill Clinton is innocent of all sex allegations in his past. Hey, you go ahead and believe that. I can read very well and If TIME made a mistake of any kind, any error, they would have as well as the NY Times and about 200 other papers and magazines issue a public apology and a retraction and Hillary would never admit to that (surprised she did, but video doesn't lie) libs and their Unicornverse. ROFL

1) You haven't actually watched the video where she says it, so you don't even realize that what you are saying is incorrect, or

Sure, I did as well as the transcript.

2) You have watched it, and know exactly what she says, and don't want to post it here, knowing that it shows that she didn't call 'blacks' super predators.

I did that, twice.

It wasn't a coincidence that crime peaked in the mid-90s - it was after that that a new generation of adolescents who were relatively lead-free emerged. Many sociologists and physicians have drawn links between these phenomena. The panic over the "super predator" in the '80s and '90s was real - but then just vanished (witness the downward decline in crime rates).

For a party that's all green, the EPA seems to have turned the drinking water a toxic puke soap and do they want to take the blame? Hmmmmm....Again, Trump shouldn't have to belittle himself with idiots that believe in freedom of speech as long as it's aligned with their twisted liberal agenda, other than that, I am closing my ears, have a temper tantrum and shout and heckle like a spoiled brat until I get my way. 't's amazing how the Dems never want to take responsibility for anything. But hey, I'm loving this more and more with each passing day, now that Trump has cut into Hillary's lead and tied with her in key states, things are getting easier for him and that means, the woman is wounded, the constant barrage of new mail allegations, her former staffs taking the 5th, the deplorable comments, the foundation, the lack of transparency and most importantly, her health issues are all taking a toll on her campaign overall.

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I'll comment on the exchanges between bass4funk and Strangerland. ... If you watch the "Super-Predator" speech by HRC, she doesn't call these people blacks. Neither Ice Cube or the Bloomberg (Entertainment) Report interviewer use the word blacks in relation to HRC's aforementioned speech.

Strangerland wins the point. ... If you read the opinion piece by Ronda Lee in the Huffington Post (Why Hillary's Super-Predator Comments Matter, April 11, 2016) you may, like me, get the impression that Ms. Lee (a Chicago native most likely familiar with stories of gang violence) felt that HRC was indeed referring to blacks in her speech. Ms. Lee wrote: "...referring to black kids as super-predators back then is like how people use “thug” now." As for the Ice Cube interview, the Bloomberg interviewer said: "... Super-Predator... That's the kind of stuff people used to say about N.W.A. (self-deleted full name of his band), right?" (Ice Cube nods.) The interviewer continues: "And the culture you guys represented..." (Ice Cube nods and adds "Without a doubt.")

From this I concluded that HRC was referring to blacks when she used the term "super-predators" though she did not use the word "black" specifically. ... To continue to insist that HRC didn't use a specific word and using this to dismiss reasonable inferences is like saying that Adolf Hitler did not share responsibility for the extermination of the Jews because no order has ever been found with his signature.

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The L.A.Times tracking poll has Trump up nearly 5 points over Hillary, 46.7% to 42.0%.

But no worries, she can't possibly lose the Electoral College, right?

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Well thanks for supporting my point Bill, and you have recognized the point I've been making all along - she used the word, she didn't say anything about 'blacks'.

Now that said:

To continue to insist that HRC didn't use a specific word and using this to dismiss reasonable inferences is like saying that Adolf Hitler did not share responsibility for the extermination of the Jews because no order has ever been found with his signature.

I'd agree with you she probably meant black gang members. But Bass' words are that she called 'blacks' super-predators. As in all of them. At most, she was referring to gang members, not to all black people.

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Why do black people dislike Trump and the GOP to the extent that they do?

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If we simply enforced existing gun laws

No, gun registration for all. Or at least universal background checks. Because guns are coming from outside areas like what we see in Chicago. Existing gun laws are not enough. Living in Japan you can see how well gun registration for all works since there are almost no gun murders here.

Existing gun laws are already enforced. That means they are not enough.

knows that more good paying jobs and better education is the best way to reduce violence and crime

Really? Did that help with the Sandy Hook shooting? The answer is no and it shows we need to (1) ban semi autos and (2) have gun registration for all. Because the Sandy Hook shooter came from a good rich home and he still shot all those kids.

That's why I want Hillary because I want more gun laws. Trump wants everyone to have military grade machine guns. He's crazy.

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Everyone knows Hillary was talking about blacks, she didn't need to specify it. Yet everyone makes excuses for her, that she isnt talking about ALL blacks, just the "bad ones". Or she is talking about gangs!! Yeah thats it! (uh yeah gangs of blacks)

Yet when Trump talked about the illegal and criminal Mexicans, everyone said "no no he is talking about ALL Mexicans, we know he is". Strange how one person always gets excuses made for them and get the benefit of the doubt then they say something. Yet another person gets blamed for what people decide he means, not what he actually said.

I think it is great that Trump visited the church so that he could hear what the people's concerns were. Meanwhile Hillary hanging out only with rich people who donate to her campaign. So how can she even relate to a "normal" American?

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Everyone knows Hillary was talking about blacks, she didn't need to specify it. Yet everyone makes excuses for her, that she isnt talking about ALL blacks, just the "bad ones". Or she is talking about gangs!! Yeah thats it! (uh yeah gangs of blacks)

She didn't say 'blacks' at all, even in reference to the gang members that she did mention. She was talking about gang members, and it can be inferred that she was talking about black gang members, but even that can't be known for sure.

Yet when Trump talked about the illegal and criminal Mexicans, everyone said "no no he is talking about ALL Mexicans, we know he is".

He was talking about Mexican immigrants - and he even said it himself. He was clear about who he was talking to, and didn't limit it beyond immigrants. As compared to Hillary who didn't mention any race, who the righties here are claiming she meant all blacks.

Blinded by the right.

So how can she even relate to a "normal" American?

You think a guy who was born with millions, was given millions when he got old enough, and has always had millions, has any idea how to relate to a 'normal' American? You're kidding yourself.

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Trump is at least making an effort, he even goes places where he knows he wont get any donations and where he knows he probably wont be liked. That is what I want in a President, not someone who name calls and disregards half of Americans because they wont buy the crap she is selling.

Meanwhile the lady who keeps coughing and lying about emails and hiding from the press conference just sells to the highest donor, even on the campaign trail. Oh do you know who I am talking about even though I didnt specifically identify her? Same thing Hillary did, everyone knew exactly who she was talking about when she said that then. Just no one cared then because it was true and it wasnt yet the politically correct mess that the USA is now.

I wasn't talking about Trump's relation with normal Americans, why does the topic always change to him? I said how can SHE relate to a normal American? Trump is at least trying or even pretending to try to relate, while Hillary does not.

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Why do black people dislike Trump and the GOP to the extent that they do?

Because Trump and his voters demonstrated their racist hatred towards blacks when they accused Obama of being born in Kenya and faking his degree. If someone insulted my race like that calling me worthless, rapist, criminal and all that I would never vote for that. Trump's campaign is based on hate.

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"Why do black people dislike Trump..."

Did you miss this one Super?:

Whoa! SurveyUSA has just come in with a national poll, conducted Sept. 2-3, showing Donald Trump leading Hillary Clinton 45 to 40 percent. Against Trump Clinton carries non-whites — but by less than impressive margins. Trump's name is supposed to be mud among Hispanics, but he gets 31 percent of their votes — more than Mitt Romney in 2012, the same as John McCain in 2008 — and Clinton gets only a bare 50 percent. Among Asians, Trump actually has a (statistically insignificant) lead of 41 to 39 percent, echoing the 50 to 49 percent Asian margin for Republicans in the 2014 vote for House of Representatives. And among blacks Clinton leads Trump by 59 to 25 percent. That's a huge contrast with Barack Obama's margins of 95 to 4 percent in 2008 and 93 to 6 percent in 2012.

Oh my... and I was told that Trump had only like 1% black support...

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"That is what I want in a President, not someone who name calls and disregards half of Americans because they wont buy the crap she is selling."

About half of the US population don't bother voting. Of the half who do, less than half of them are Trump supporters. Clinton described half of that remaining fraction in negative terms.

Sounds pretty reasonable to me.

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Jimizo wrote: "About half of the US population don't bother voting. Of the half who do, less than half of them are Trump supporters. Clinton described half of that remaining fraction in negative terms."

Here's an interesting link in relation to the above to voter turnout data in the USA: http://www.electproject.org/home/voter-turnout/demographics

Pollsters ask who people plan to vote for, but how many of the people polled will actually vote? (Maybe this has been examined. Share the information if you have it.) Voters determine the winner, not pollsters. The task for all parties is to turn the vote out. The election will be lost by the party that fails to do that. Too many chickens are being counted now. (In Chicago, even the Chicken McNuggets are being counted.)

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That is an embarrassing video for Trump. He continues to write himself off.

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Bass has as much as admitted he cannot back up his assertion that Hillary didn't call 'blacks' super-predators.

I didn't admit or changed what the woman has said, you are the only person that doesn't want to accept that she said that statement, it's like I say, the sky is blue and you say, No, it's pink. I understand, you love Hillary and will not ever see her as a faulty or flawed woman in any capacity, that's ok, but please stop accusing me of distorting something when the ONLY thing I did was printed out what she said, nothing more, nothing less. Again, if you and Bill want to interpret she didn't say that, so be it. It just amazes me, that a bunch of Hillary lib supporters want to see it that way and the rest of the country and virtually EVERY reporter out there conservative and liberal for over 20 years for some odd reason botched her words. Believe what you want and I'll believe what the woman said and that's what I'll go by.

Whoa! SurveyUSA has just come in with a national poll, conducted Sept. 2-3, showing Donald Trump leading Hillary Clinton 45 to 40 percent.Against Trump Clinton carries non-whites — but by less than impressive margins. Trump's name is supposed to be mud among Hispanics, but he gets 31 percent of their votes — more than Mitt Romney in 2012, the same as John McCain in 2008 — and Clinton gets only a bare 50 percent.

Actually, Trump is doing a lot better than previously expected, as long as he stays on message, keeps a cool head and doesn't let Hillary derail him, he can pull this off. He's had a few good weeks now with virtually No outbursts or heavy name calling and is sticking to the issues and doing extremely well with independents as he must as well as in the crucial key states and this is another reason why Trump handled this situation well and it will go a long way for him to avoid being seen as a hardheaded confrontational jerk. People can see right through this woman and her constant lies upon lies and the people are tired of it and it shows in the numbers, if Hillary was so trustworthy and honest, they wouldn't be this razor close and the more Hillary is defiant, dodges, lies about what everyone knows, she could ultimately loss this election.

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And DC is like what demographically, 40% white ???

Because it looks like Trump might actually win , the numbers will shift dramatically in his favor as those who were previously too afraid to support him come out of the closet to do so. The only “undecideds” are people who are just up in the air on Trump.... They will either vote for Trump, if they decide he is reasonable and competent, or they will go third party or stay home...

Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton’s poll numbers dropped dramatically in the Democratic stronghold of Washington, D.C., according to a Google Consumer Surveys poll published Thursday.

Clinton still led Republican nominee Donald Trump by 6 points, at 38 to 32 percent, but her lead fell dramatically in a poll released in the first Thursday of September, where Clinton led by 25 points, earning 48 percent compared to 22 percent for Trump.

Hillary’s Poll Numbers Just TANKED In One Of America’s Most Liberal Cities

http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/15/hillarys-poll-numbers-just-tanked-in-one-of-americas-most-liberal-cities/

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I just saw that and one thing is for sure, this race is NO clear guarantee that Hillary will have a coronation. There are a lot of obstacles in her way and as long as she resists to be transparent, from the looks of it, it's going to catch up to her, finally. Trump just needs to focus on being cool, cal, and as presidential as he can really study the issues for the upcoming debate and that's another reason why it was good for Trump to not make any unnecessary headlines with these hecklers.

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Why would people be too embarrassed to say they are voting for Trump?

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Assuming English is your first language, and you are able to comprehend what you are hearing and writing,

@strangerland

First off, thanks for the link, I remember that video but haven't watched it in a while. And your absolutely correct, Hillary never called blacks "super predators".

Unfortunately, when she made generalizations about the effects of gangs and crime in some of Americas communities she neglected to qualify her statement by stressing that this situation was not limited to any one race or group but was a problem across the spectrum of American society. Had she done that, I don't feel there would be an issue with her remarks. The issue arises because it was left up to the individual listener to fill in the appropriate blanks and come up with what they thought she was saying and who she was talking about.

There were and still are people in the African American community that interpreted those comments as being directed at black people. Earlier this year Hillary had a fund raising event interrupted by a protester holding a sign reading "We must bring them to heel" in direct reference to her 1996 speech. The protester wanted an explanation for Hillary calling "black youths super predators" It didn't matter the she never said that, what mattered was that the African American protester believed she did. And she's (protester) not alone. Even the Huffington Post believes Hillary was talking about black people.

So it really doesn't matter what Hillary actually said back in 1996, it's the various interpretations of what she is perceived to have meant that drives the debate now. I think in this instance Hillary has gotten a raw deal, I mean look at that Huff Post article they flog every pet peeve in their book and use Hillary as the club.

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If you take Hillary at her word: She can’t recognize classified information when she sees it. She can’t tell the difference between a terror attack and a protest. She doesn’t understand how computers work. She can’t tell the difference between work related information and personal communications. She believes it is perfectly fine to accept money from foreign interests and then treat them more favorably. She has a terrible memory, particularly when under oath. She is not qualified to work at McDonald's let alone be POTUS.

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bass4funkSEP. 16, 2016 - 04:20AM JST

Trump just needs to focus on being cool, cal, and as presidential as he can really study the issues for the upcoming debate and that's another reason why it was good for Trump to not make any unnecessary headlines with these hecklers.

And then he goes and calls the minister a "nervous mess." Great follow-up there.

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She’s been on the national stage since 1992, yet constantly has to re-introduce herself to voters.

Just a never ending epic scam.

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And then he goes and calls the minister a "nervous mess." Great follow-up there.

Hey, the man is human and not perfect, he makes mistakes, at least he's not robotic. I'm not defending him for what he said, but compared to Hillary who is sneaky and calculating. It's a breath of fresh air to have someone speaking honestly, but No, I personally would not have said that.

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Lizz SEP. 16, 2016 - 06:59AM JST Just a never ending epic scam.

Well Lizz, since you're a loyal Trump deciple, I'll trust your judgement on the scams and the scamming...

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I didn't admit or changed what the woman has said, you are the only person that doesn't want to accept that she said that statement

Nope - Bill Murphy clearly outlined how you were wrong.

You and I both know she didn't call 'blacks' predators. Anyone else who has watched the video knows it too.

if you and Bill want to interpret she didn't say that, so be it

Well you admitted it too, by not pasting the words she used here. We both know it's because it will clearly show that she didn't say what you claimed she said.

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BillMurphy, good point. The percentage of hillary "supporters" who actually turn out on election day will be critical for her. We know those who have elevated her to godess status will get out and vote but among MANY others she doesnt inspire above luke warm temperature. Many of them wont bother to vote.

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Trump: Popular with black kids even http://i.imgur.com/Jfxsy32.jpg

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Bill Murphy clearly outlined how you were wrong.

Bill Murphy? So did Mickey Mouse say the same thing. LMAO

You and I both know she didn't call 'blacks' predators. Anyone else who has watched the video knows it too.

Of course she did or are you calling EVERY major news outlet as well as Hillary a liar? Well, that last one you definitely can.

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Of course she did or are you calling EVERY major news outlet as well as Hillary a liar?

What does every news outlet have to do with her actual words? Her actual words are all that matter. And the fact that you refuse to post them here shows that you have no confidence that they will support your claim - which we both know to be false.

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It has everything to do with it and her integrity. It's not about confidence, it's about what she said, I didn't beat the words out of her mouth, as a matter of fact, I remember and knew where I was exactly on the day she said that and my mouth dropped that she could denigrate an entire race like that and that event made me lose a lot of respect for her from that point on. This is exactly what I'm talking about Liberals just can't, it's just not in their DNA or conscious to admit to ANY failure and I mean NONE from this to even Trump going into the church and being heckled, liberals want to blame everyone except the people that are in charge of this, the constant lack of accountability and the lack responsibility and condescension is just beyond crazy. Again, this is why Clinton and Trump are tied, it's not that everyone loves Trump, it's just that people are tired with the excuses and lies and Democrats would be further along if they could for once just be honest about their mistakes instead of defending every single incident regardless of what it is. You can apply this to every issue especially going back this past year.

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it's about what she said

Exactly. And she didn't say 'blacks' are super-predators.

Your unwillingness to post her exact words is telling.

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@nishikat,

Your reasoning about blacks not voting for Trump is ridiculous.

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@Bass4Funk

I am no fan of Hillary Clinton, to say the least. But in this case Strangerland is right. In her 1996 speech Hillary talked about gangs and crime and yes she did use the term super predators but she never actually said that those predators were black.

The "black youth super predator" meme is a myth created by the imaginations of people that only heard what they wanted to hear. What's strange is that, two groups as disparate as Black Lives Matter and the Trump camp apparently interpreted what they heard and came up with the same conclusion. But the fact remains that Hillary never said "black youth super predators".

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So now once again, we have a woman that lies her way to get what she wants whenever she wants, calls Blacks "super predators" and the left gloss over it as if it's nothing, she's calls conservative voters that vote for Trump or anyone for that matter that supports him "deplorable" and by the media mostly gets a pass, the lies and the vitriol that liberals spew Is just off the charts, a conservative does it, get the noose. You have liberals that are hypersensitive, you have a country that has crumbling infrastructure and the only thing they can say is, we didn't do anything, we aren't responsible for anything. You have liberals that don't want to take responsibility or accountability for the people in Flint and Trump goes out to speak and gets heckled. Disagree with the man all you, let him have his say and then take it up at the appropriate time and place.

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Trump, interrupted, heckled in visit to Flint church

Hey remember that thread about Hillary and pneumonia and the mods stepped in to say that all comments had to be about her and her health or they would be removed?

Anyway, back to super predators.

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Bass

Looks like we're once again flogging a dead horse with you on this one. You do need to watch the video again. Of course many may assume she was talking about black people because she was talking about gangs but, for the last time, she didn't say what you have convinced yourself she said.

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I'll admit I haven't been following the super predators conversation on this thread. My guess is that conservatives are trying to say that Clinton is racist if you look at something she said 20 years ago from a certain point of view? And Trump is racist because he refused to do business with black people.

Well, that's 1 thing on the scale for Clinton, and that's one thing on the scale for Trump. 1=1 so the scale should balance out. That means neither side has the advantage.

Time to move on?

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So now once again, we have a woman that... calls Blacks "super predators"

She never said that.

Let's keep it in the realm of reality ok?

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Discussion is now ended on this thread.

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