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Trump not immune from prosecution in his 2020 election interference case, U.S. appeals court says

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By ERIC TUCKER and ALANNA DURKIN RICHER

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I disagree. Scroll up.

Scrolling up has nothing to do with him not going to prison.

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Nonsense, no one was killed

It's not nonsense. His lawyers argued he could commit murder and be immune from prosecution.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2024/01/09/appeals-court-trump-criminal-charges-immunity/72151527007/

You guys just dig in the dumpster without looking first?

No, I read the actual news. Try it.

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He can be in prison while he appeals.

He is not going to prison.

I disagree. Scroll up.

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Yes, Democrats have now set themselves up for reprisals because Trump doesn't have immunity to literally commit murder. reeee

Nonsense, no one was killed. You guys just dig in the dumpster without looking first?

Doubly funny, because the "Democrats" aren't prosecuting Trump.

Yeah, and Hillary Clinton is a closet Republican.

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Like I said, the Dems have now set themselves up for the same reprisals, they always do this to themselves. 

Yes, Democrats have now set themselves up for reprisals because Trump doesn't have immunity to literally commit murder. reeee

Doubly funny, because the "Democrats" aren't prosecuting Trump.

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That's what "immunity" means. "Immunity" means not be able to be charged for the crimes you commmit in office. Trump's attorneys argued that he could theoretically have a seal team have people murdered and he would have immunity against related charges.

Like I said, the Dems have now set themselves up for the same reprisals, they always do this to themselves. Smh…

-9 ( +1 / -10 )

What?

That's what "immunity" means. "Immunity" means not be able to be charged for the crimes you commmit in office. Trump's attorneys argued that he could theoretically have a seal team have people murdered and he would have immunity against related charges.

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Facts:

Donald trump was smacked around like a rented mule by the 11th circuit court of appeals.

Donald Trump is under indictment in 4 different jurisdictions on 91 felony charges.

Donald Trump is going to face a jury of his peers at least once, likely twice before the election.

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I think it’s more accurate to define a ‘banana republic’ as a place where the President has absolute immunity from prosecution. 

Well, like a said, the Dems wanted this, so they can expect a blowback one day.

Actually I think most thinking folks would think the same.

I disagree

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Joe doesn’t need to because he doesn’t commit crimes as a matter of course, unlike your cult lord. 

Whoa, whoa, whoa!!! Now I know you just didn’t say that with a straight face!!! ROFL! That family is the epitome of crimes, take your pick. You are a seriously funny guy! Lol!

Oh those pesky facts.

There’s not a single indictment. The GQP cannot even enunciate a charge.

The whistleblowers weren’t.

One of them is a fugitive from justice.

It’s nothing more than the fever dream is a deranged cult.

If they had a single credible count, they’d have brought it.

But the haven’t because they don’t.

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Bass - that is why the judiciaries in democracies are independent. Ours could stand to be more independent lately, it seems.

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I think it’s more accurate to define a ‘banana republic’ as a place where the President has absolute immunity from prosecution.

Actually I think most thinking folks would think the same.

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If they are part of a terrorist organization, absolutely. Just as if they were on the the battlefield fighting against the country.

The Dems are definitely not fighting for this country. Anyone that believes in open borders and tells people to come in is an enemy, the Dems made their choice.

Prosecutors on all levels are capable of putting things in wastebaskets.

Really?

Closer to 24 hour coverage of 45's crimes on all networks, yes.

Ahhh, like the J6 hearings that pretty much no one was watching?

He can be in prison while he appeals.

He is not going to prison.

Donald Trump can't even afford a victory rally let alone get the networks to cover it. Means nothing to a judge, either.

You wouldn’t know what Trump can or cannot afford unless you have his bank statements.

Because only a disgrace appointed by a disgrace can be trusted to do a legal ruling?

Wait, so Obama, Biden or Bush Judges can be trusted, but Trump appointed ones can’t? Man, I seriously worry about the lefts thought process.

You'd be surprised how fast judges can cut through BS.

Ahhh, pretty much. Lol!

I’m glad you reversed your stance on Presidential immunity.

I didn’t

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Sorry, MAGA, we love our country and our Constitution and if you think we are going to part easily with them, well, see you in November!

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BlacklabelToday 09:35 am JST

you can drone strike civilians in foreign countries using our military as part of your “duties”?

If they are part of a terrorist organization, absolutely. Just as if they were on the the battlefield fighting against the country.

I expect to see indictments for lots of past and future presidents whenever there is any partisan political reason at all to accuse. See you in court guys.

Prosecutors on all levels are capable of putting things in wastebaskets.

Closer to trial starting is a win?

Closer to 24 hour coverage of 45's crimes on all networks, yes.

the whole court next, then the Supreme Court, then a rescheduled trial, then a trial, then a verdict, then not guilty or a multiple appeals.

He can be in prison while he appeals.

3 weeks to the nomination being wrapped up, better get on all that asap.

Donald Trump can't even afford a victory rally let alone get the networks to cover it. Means nothing to a judge, either.

Wasn’t a court case was a totally expected ruling from 2 Biden judges and 1 Bush judges.

Because only a disgrace appointed by a disgrace can be trusted to do a legal ruling?

1 case postponed indefinitely, another has no start date, another the main witnesses are a convicted liar, a guy being investigated for perjury and a stripper who owes Trump money from previous lost cases.

I forget what the 4th one even is any more.

Oh Georgia, on hold too, thanks Fani!

You'd be surprised how fast judges can cut through BS.

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I guess there’s your example of a left-leaning strongman that we thankfully just avoided, right B?

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expect to see indictments for lots of past and future presidents whenever there is any partisan political reason at all to accuse. See you in court guys.

Why do you always set yourself up for disappointment?

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A quote by former President George H.W. Bush appointee Judge Karen Henderson made during oral arguments sums it up I think.

"“I think it is paradoxical to say that his constitutional duty to take care of the laws be faithfully executed allows him to violate criminal law,”

That comment ended up being reflected in the written opinion of the three appeals court judges.

"It would be a striking paradox if the President, who alone is vested with the constitutional duty to ‘take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed,’ were the sole officer capable of defying those laws with impunity."

I can't imaging the US Supreme Court wanting to over rule that opinion

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somebody received the narrative talking points and dutifully regurgitated them.

Otherwise known as quoting the ruling.

The quote in question from the appeals court opinion:

"For the purpose of this criminal case, former President Trump has become citizen Trump, with all of the defenses of any other criminal defendant,”

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who knows, as we don’t know that is what will happen.

Oh, I do know. Saying the president can legally have people murdered is insane. That is precisely what Trump's counsel argued.

whats your excuse if they do or rule for him? 

They're not.

Bunch of Trump appointed judges, Thomas should have recused, blah blah, right?

Every accusation is an admission.

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somebody received the narrative talking points and dutifully regurgitated them.

Otherwise known as quoting the ruling.

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he testified against Trump, remember?

No, he testified on behalf of Trump. He claimed he wasn't involved in appraisals which vastly overestimated the size of one of Trump's penthouses, when in fact he was. That's not "testifying" against Trump.

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What's the excuse going to be when Scotus refuses to hear the case or rules against Trump?

who knows, as we don’t know that is what will happen.

whats your excuse if they do or rule for him? We know that one:. Bunch of Trump appointed judges, Thomas should have recused, blah blah, right?

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citizen Trump 

somebody received the narrative talking points and dutifully regurgitated them.

congrats! Earned a Pat on the head, goooood boy!

-8 ( +2 / -10 )

Having the witness caught lying to help Trump's case

he testified against Trump, remember?

Trump was found liable due to the testimony of “his own CFO” you all claimed! Now, he lied? Oops.

-9 ( +2 / -11 )

How long has that been unchanged? why are the walls suddenly closing in today?

It just changed today because the appeals court concurred with the trial court that citizen Trump does not have immunity from criminal prosecution for crimes committed as President. It settles one of the matters delaying his trials.

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The NY fraud trial has hit another speed bump too. I'll let you fill yourself in:

It appears that the Trump organization accountant is trying to work a plea deal with a state or Federal prosecutor for committing perjury during his testimony during the Trump organization civil fraud trial. It calls into question the accountants entire testimony during that trial and implies that all of his testimony in that case was false. It could expose the Trump organization to an even larger civil judgement.

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This was a legal butt whipping of the first order of magnitude that was written in such a way as to give SCOTUS a pass while simultaneously slapping down the orange genius’s delay tactics.

He has 7 days to appeal, not 30+, and not to the full circuit as that will not delay the judgment.

I liked the part where the panel unanimously said that the conduct alleged was criminal in nature and specifically (and with purpose) referred to the president as an “officer”.

So he didn’t win and didn’t delay in any significant manner.

He is going to trial and since he’s guilty AF, he’s very likely to be a convicted felon.

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but, but, but, yet….

This is the kind of thing you post when you can't actually address the meat of the comment.

What's the excuse going to be when Scotus refuses to hear the case or rules against Trump?

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That was the least suspenseful ruling in the history of history. Stevie saw that ruling coming.

lol What's the excuse going to be when the Supreme Court either a) doesn't take the case, or b) rules against Trump? There's 0 chance they'd ever say the president is above the law.

No, it's not bad news for Trump at all.

Yes it is bad news. Having the witness caught lying to help Trump's case is not good for Trump's case.

He will then be a witness in the "hush-money" case, which is financial penalties at most, plus as a witness he will be an admitted perjurer.

They didn't need his testimony to convict Cohen, they won't need it here either.

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The expected response:

but, but, but, yet….

-7 ( +2 / -9 )

4 felony indictments comprising 91 counts? Yes, I’d say so

How long has that been unchanged? why are the walls suddenly closing in today?

1 case postponed indefinitely, another has no start date, another the main witnesses are a convicted liar, a guy being investigated for perjury and a stripper who owes Trump money from previous lost cases.

I forget what the 4th one even is any more.

Oh Georgia, on hold too, thanks Fani!

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The article states that this ruling will be appealed, doesn't it?

There are two possible routes to appeal. First he can ask for the entire 11 judge DC Circuit rehear the case "En Banc", but a majority of the judges would have to agree to do so and this is considered to be unlikely000. The second route it to appeal the ruling to the US Supreme Court. However the US Supreme Court is not obliged to take the appeal up. They can refuse and allow the appeals court ruling to stand.

My guess is that neither the full panel of the DC Circuit nor the US Supreme Court will hear the appeal and the three judge ruling will be allowed to stand. Why do I say that? The strength of the ruling (the arguments are too long for a post here but it cites prior SCOTUS rulings from the Nixon era on Presidential immunity) and the fact that not only is it a unanimous ruling but "Per curiam", meaning the opinion is unsigned. This a way of the court saying this was not the opinion of one judge who's name is on the opinion to which the other judges agree but an opinion that reflects the opinions of all three judges. It implies that all three judges are of one mind on this matter and in law this is a more forceful opinion.

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BlacklabelToday  10:02 am JST

Is it though, really?

the walls are closing in, again?

4 felony indictments comprising 91 counts? Yes, I’d say so

any new precedent just to “get Trump” who cares if it boomerangs on Team Dem later? 

We got him this time! No really, we do!

If they can get a prosecutor to get a grand jury to indict, then bring it.

But you can’t. So you won’t.

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Cards fanToday  10:29 am JST

No, it's not bad news for Trump at all.

If he admits perjury in the fraud trial, the entire testimony of a main witness will be scrubbed.

He will then be a witness in the "hush-money" case, which is financial penalties at most, plus as a witness he will be an admitted perjurer.

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who just lost yet another court case.

Wasn’t a court case was a totally expected ruling from 2 Biden judges and 1 Bush judges.

That was the least suspenseful ruling in the history of history. Stevie saw that ruling coming.

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Well can’t wait for the election results today. We have Biden or None of the above and Haley or none or the above.

Biden will “win”, of course. but Haley might lose to “none of the above”

-7 ( +2 / -9 )

The NY fraud trial has hit another speed bump too. I'll let you fill yourself in:

Yes, and that's bad news for Trump. Great point.

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The NY fraud trial has hit another speed bump too. I'll let you fill yourself in:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/06/donald-trump-fraud-trial-witness-perjury-deal

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The article states that this ruling will be appealed, doesn't it?

A Trump spokesman said Tuesday that Trump would appeal the ruling

Ahh, yes, it does.

-8 ( +1 / -9 )

the whole court next, then the Supreme Court, then a rescheduled trial, then a trial, then a verdict, then not guilty or a multiple appeals.

You seem excessively confident for someone backing a crook who just lost yet another court case.

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Is it though, really?

the walls are closing in, again?

They closed a long time ago....

Implementing a plan its author admitted "violated federal statute"...

Refusing to comply with a subpoena, even after his attorney told him that is "illegal"...

Conspiring to break into a secure polling facility with the intent to tamper with voting machines...

Directing his employees to hide documents that were required to be returned under court order, then directing them to destroy the evidence of that...

But keep those donations flowing - Trump's quack lawyers will thank you...

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Closer to trial starting is a win?

ok then, that’s some seriously low expectations to be so overjoyed with.

the whole court next, then the Supreme Court, then a rescheduled trial, then a trial, then a verdict, then not guilty or a multiple appeals.

3 weeks to the nomination being wrapped up, better get on all that asap.

-7 ( +2 / -9 )

Is it though, really?

We're moving closer to trial, so I'd say so.

any new precedent just to “get Trump” who cares if it boomerangs on Team Dem later?

What new precedent? There is no new precedent. During the impeachment for January 6th Trump's lawyers claimed criminal courts, not impeachment was the correct venue to sort out the issue. Now after leaving office, they're claiming he should be immune to prosecution. Trump wants it both ways: to be immune from impeachment and prosecution. He wants to be above the law, and you want that, too.

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Is it though, really?

the walls are closing in, again?

any new precedent just to “get Trump” who cares if it boomerangs on Team Dem later?

We got him this time! No really, we do!

-6 ( +2 / -8 )

Mostly it’s just a (D)ifference.

lol Right, because Bush was a Democrat. Good point. reee

See you in court guys.

lol No you won't.

Anything to deflect from the fact that Trump is a crook and his day in court is coming soon.

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I expect to see indictments for lots of past and future presidents whenever there is any partisan political reason at all to accuse. See you in court guys.

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I hope this helps understand the difference.

Mostly it’s just a (D)ifference.

you can drone strike civilians in foreign countries using our military as part of your “duties”?

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Donald Trump is a serious criminal. This man is running to be the POTUS again in 2025.If he success, the U.S. will be the biggest laughing stock in history. Even if he failed, he is still a big embarrassment for the nation!

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Supreme Court just saved his life, unless you think DB ain’t paying attention.

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Delay, Deflect, Deny. That's the Trump playbook about everything he gets caught doing. Who else does that remind you of? It's ok. You can say it. Pu.....n is one.

Starting and supporting an insurrection isn't in the job title for US President, last I looked. The President is protected when doing official govt business, not personal business nor political suicide.

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Looking forward to the Obama and Biden and Bush war crimes trials seeing as they aren’t immune for their actions while President anymore.

All of these would fall in the remit of their official duties and so would be outside prosecution. This is why they haven't been arrested or charged.

Had they say, tried to overthrow the election by illegal means, they would have.

I hope this helps understand the difference.

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I think the chances are that the Supreme Court so great it, b only to establish precedent. But the finding is very clear - Presidents are not immune from prosecution. That's why Nixon was pardoned - otherwise he would have been charged and tried.

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A federal appeals panel ruled Tuesday that Donald Trump can face trial on charges that he plotted to overturn the results of the 2020 election, sharply rejecting the former president’s claims that he is immune from prosecution while setting the stage for additional challenges that could further delay the case.

Hey, ANOTHER court loss...Trump is on a real roll...

Our MAGA-friends here must be ecstatic that all their donations are being given to pay these lawyers....who lose all their cases...

You kind'a figured they lost this one when the judge showed them their arguments during impeachment where they said that a criminal trial has to come BEFORE impeachment, and here where they were arguing the EXACT OPPOSITE...

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-impeachment-defense-backfires-appeals-court-immunity-2024-1#:~:text=Trump's%20lawyer%20argued%20he%20can,opposite%20of%20that%20in%202021.

Trump sure has crack lawyers...maybe they're on crack..

ROFL...

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remotely comparable*

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Nobody is above the law. Suck it up.

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They also said he can take it up with the Supreme Court or show up for his trial.

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