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agenda stalls

Part of Trump's agenda all along has been to make himself and his family richer. The public won't be able to know if that part of his agenda has stalled until he releases his tax records.

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Has no-one told him that he is the President of the United States, and not President of the Trump Fan Club? Quit the divisive rhetoric and serve the whole population Donald.

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And DT was criticizing Obama for going to rallies while in office.

Damn, the guy is a hypocrite.

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

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Trump looks to loyal voters as support slips, agenda stalls

Not sure how his loyal voters are going to help him - they aren't the ones blocking his supposed agenda.... if anything, they are the ones getting stiffed by his actions...

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A voting block built on bitterness, resentment, and hatred is like a house built on sand. It won't last.

And no matter what Trump tells these people, they will eventually discover that Trump is using them, not helping them.

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A voting block built on bitterness, resentment, and hatred is like a house built on sand. It won't last.

When you marginalize one ethnic group of course that resentment would build up.

And no matter what Trump tells these people, they will eventually discover that Trump is using them, not helping them.

I think more, it's the opposite, no matter what the media or the Feds try to spoon feed the people, they're in it for their own personal self-gratification, nothing more and nothing less.

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"I think people realize half a loaf is better than none," Stewart said.

If that's not damning him with faint praise, I don't know what is! The guy is a more than a few slices short of half a loaf.

Trump's desperate need for loyalty is a sign of paranoia and narcissism gone beyond the pale.

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Trump makes his base feel proud of themselves, and to get that feeling, they are more than willing to put up with some sexual assaults, Putin ass kissing, shady business practices, outright lies, and little to no accomplishments.

Just make them feel like they aren't losers, that all of their problems are because of illegals and minorities and Hollywood, and they'll bend over for him.

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Bass4funk: you mean marginalize white christian caucasians? If not, what ethnicity? Please give more details of your thought.

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When you marginalize one ethnic group of course that resentment would build up.

Excuse me, which one ethnic group has been marginalized?

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Trump's desperate need for loyalty is a sign of paranoia and narcissism gone beyond the pale.

I think Trump is desperate for loyalty, more like the left and the establishment are extremely paranoid of losing power and I understand, if I were in Washington getting all those quirks and deals and everything else handed to me on a silver platter, one hand washes the other, I'd be a fool to allow change to muck it up. The establishment is in survival mood and it will do anything and everything to keep itself in power.

Just make them feel like they aren't losers, that all of their problems are because of illegals and minorities and Hollywood, and they'll bend over for him.

I'm more interested in this Calexit movement. I hope they get their wish!

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A sect guru searching for his crowd of blind believers, a demagogue of the right serving daily right-wing populism (New Nationalism, Anti-globalization, Nativism,  Protectionism and Opposition to immigration) only to divert from his incompetency and lies.

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 you mean marginalize white christian caucasians? If not, what ethnicity? Please give more details of your thought.

Not only White Christian Caucasians, but caucasians in general and mostly over the fly over states, I'm not talking about the minority millennial progressive White loons in the coastal areas, but the average blue collar workers. We shouldn't even be having this discussion and we wouldn't had the LAST administration not started going down the dark road of dividing the races and it's not because Obama is Black, it's about his way of trying to impose "identity politics and political correctness" on Whites for being Whites. Bill Clinton didn't do that and neither did Bush.

The election of Trump was a clear repudiation of those policies that angered and divided this nation. If you want to talk about hatred, Obama and his minions playing the race card and plunging this country into the biggest racially divide was the problem, it doesn't matter what color you are or what religion you are, we are all the same, I would feel the same outrage regardless of race, but the anger will never subside until there is equality for everyone and not just the loons in the coastal regions of the US thinking they know best. Because when you look at the map, it says a very different story. There are a lot more Trump supporters then are known or registered, but because we now live in a world where tolerance is something of the past if you are honest and want to give your opinions on political issues, you can't tell people you are conservative or you support Trump or you will have to accept the fact that you might get into some form of altercation. I had a Trump t-shirt on when I went with my friends in downtown Tenjin as well as in my home State of California, I know for a fact a few people wanted to say something to me, but usually when people see me, they bite their tongue and I don't know why, I wouldn't.

When you have to be afraid of reprisals because of a political candidate or president you support that's seriously bad. I didn't like Obama at all! Not the man, but I hated his policies, I didn't lose my mind though, I just bit my lip, waited and when the time was right I went out and voted, simple as that. I didn't get violent, yelled or put people down unless they made it a personal attack. I just always believed in the political process, but that now seems out the window. The Washington establishment is trying to reassert itself back and that's bad for everyone, that is, unless you are content with the status quo.

There is zero tolerance from the left these days, they call themselves the champions of the little guy and if that's true, why do we have so much violence in States like California, Chicago and NY?

Those are all liberal strongholds and why is the violence so out of control? You'd think the tolerant left would make these places a utopian paradise, but it seems like nothing even remotely close to that.

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millennial progressive White loons in the coastal areas

The areas which you hoped would be hit by nuclear weapons?

not just the loons in the coastal regions of the US

Is this what you mean by "identity politics" and hatred?

I had a Trump t-shirt on when I went with my friends in downtown Tenjin as well as in my home State of California, I know for a fact a few people wanted to say something to me

How do you know? Maybe they were just admiring your loyalty?

why do we have so much violence in States like California, Chicago and NY?

Why do you have mosques being attacked, like in Minnesota?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/minnesota-mosque-bombing-latest-donald-trump-terror-attack-condemn-pressure-criticism-a7880201.html

Why do you have a history of black churches being attacked?

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/decades-burning-black-churches-tool-voter-suppression/

How does such a thing tally with loyalty to an openly racist PotUS, do you reckon?

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The areas which you hoped would be hit by nuclear weapons?

Yes.

Is this what you mean by "identity politics" and hatred?

No, more like, either you live and accept the liberal progressive way and put identity politics before custom, traditions and social norms in order to push a certain agenda in order to feel good.

How do you know? Maybe they were just admiring your loyalty?

Hmmm....usually when that happens, people come up to me and want to engage in a conversation.

Why do you have mosques being attacked, like in Minnesota?

That's bad as well, so why is it that all the big cities or sanctuary cities have out of control crime, last year Chicago had over 700 homicides in just one year, why are Dems reluctant to crack down on that?

Why do you have a history of black churches being attacked?

Recently, there hasn't been an out of control attack on Black churches, which was horrible without question. Nice try. But seriously, why is it that the left are ok with open borders, not wanting to crack down on radical Jihadism, sanctuary cities and physical attacks are up on Whites, socially as well as physically?

How does such a thing tally with loyalty to an openly racist PotUS, do you reckon?

How is the president a racist? I think the left have a deep, deep problem with racism. But whatever works to undermine and keep the status quo in place.

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Not only White Christian Caucasians, but caucasians in general and mostly over the fly over states, I'm not talking about the minority millennial progressive White loons in the coastal areas, but the average blue collar workers.

That's really specific. So it's white working-class heartlanders who are neither young nor progressive who have felt marginalized. I thought you didn't sympathize with people who blame others for their economic stagnation or feelings of social alienation. I thought you would think these people should get real jobs in finance or high tech, pull themselves up the American way and stop whining.

We shouldn't even be having this discussion

You brought it up.

and we wouldn't had the LAST administration not started going down the dark road of dividing the races and it's not because Obama is Black, it's about his way of trying to impose "identity politics and political correctness" on Whites for being Whites. 

A completely false and fabricated narrative of Fox and their petty minded friends.

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bass4funkToday  09:48 am JST

The Washington establishment is trying to reassert itself back and that's bad for everyone, that is, unless you are content with the status quo.

Pah. You've said before you have no problem with the establishment when Republicans and conservatives are calling the shots.

bass4funkToday  11:39 am JST

I thought you would think these people should get real jobs in finance or high tech, pull themselves up the American way and stop whining.

Yes, I do and I hope the left will step aside and allow that to happen.

What do you mean, step aside? Or do you even know what you mean? The left currently has no power in American politics, unless you also define most of the Republican Party as left-wing. The left lost the White House and Congress, remember? You should, you love pointing it out. So if this capitalist utopia your sort fantasise about never comes to be, it'll be down to the collective failure of the right, not obstruction from the left.

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I thought you would think these people should get real jobs in finance or high tech, pull themselves up the American way and stop whining.

Yes, I do and I hope the left will step aside and allow that to happen.

In what way are the left getting in the way of the dreams of motivated, intelligent and ambitious Trump voters?

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I'm not talking about the minority millennial progressive White loons in the coastal areas, but the average blue collar workers

Progressives aren't the minority, read the news. With polls.

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What a wasted six months it has been. There'll always be the core group of uneducated people who support him but it is clear that Dodgy Don's days are numbered. Time for this comedy show to end because the job of the POTUS is to make progress and take care of issues that aren't funny.

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 There'll always be the core group of uneducated people who support him

And who will always support him exactly because of statements like this. You guys still dont realize why you lost (and have kept losing all the other elections since his inauguration) do you? What is the other side offering other than resistance?

 but it is clear that Dodgy Don's days are numbered.

yes, they are numbered. Whatever 4 years minus 200 days is until there is another chance for him to start his 2nd term.

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You guys still dont realize why you lost

We lost because of an old, antiquated system, despite winning the popular vote. Lecture me about why the DNC lost after Repubs when the popular vote.

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and have kept losing all the other elections since his inauguration

Yes the Trump appointees who vacated Republican House seats to join the administration were, incredibly enough, replaced by other Republican candidates in the Republican districts they had represented. What an amazing achievement that was!

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oh the popular vote safety blanket. Its meaningless, like you took more shots in the basketball game than the other team.

Yes the Trump appointees who vacated Republican House seats to join the administration were, incredibly enough, replaced by other Republican candidates in the Republican districts they had represented. What an amazing achievement that was!

yet each of those elections was a REFERENDUM ON TRUMP you guys said, especially when the media predicted you might win Georgia. Spent 31 million dollars on a House seat knowing you were gonna lose....? Nah, you went all in and still lost.

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You guys lost an election that wasnt even held. West Virginia governor is now a Republican.

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oh the popular vote safety blanket. Its meaningless

It's meaningless insofar as who wins, but it's very meaningless to understand the actual will of the people.

You know, the people who didn't actually want Trump but got him anyways.

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CNN is even concerned.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/07/politics/2018-midterms-trump/index.html

My favorite part of the article, about the Senate:

52% of all the seats Democrats control are up in 2018 while just 15% of Republicans' seats are up. And it's not just the raw numbers. It's where these seats are. Ten of the 25 (40%) are in states Trump won in 2016. TEN.

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You guys lost an election that wasnt even held. West Virginia governor is now a Republican.

That's not even an election, you're talking about a spineless doughboy from West Virginia who decided to switch parties.

Also, he was a Repubiclan before he decided to be a Democrat.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Justice

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You know, the people who didn't actually want Trump but got him anyways.

yeah just like I had Obama for 8 years. Yep he was MY president and few of his policies even affected my daily life, I didnt even notice he was there most days. But now Trump is Obama's president. He had his chance, now its Trump's turn to do what he was elected to do.

As far as the will of the people, all Dems can simply return their stock market profits and not apply for any of the 1 million jobs Trump has created if they dont like what he has done so far. 'The people' seem to have no problem to take the benefits, while still claiming to hate the person who provided them.

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spineless doughboy

Name calling and comments on personal appearance. I thought your side didnt do those kind of attacks and was the party of tolerance?

yeah he was previously a Republican, but what made him revert back again? The progress he is seeing and the support within his state for the President and his agenda.

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And who will always support him exactly because of statements like this.

A very offensive statement towards these Trump voters. You are saying they will always support him because they feel insulted. You seem to think they wouldn't have the capacity to turn against him based on his conduct or performance.

That's at the level of calling them deplorables. You seem to see them as simpletons.

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We lost because of an old, antiquated system, despite winning the popular vote.

Thats happened a couple of times to the Dem side now. Arent you ever going to look into actually proposing some legislation to change that? No, because you like starting every election with the 55 point lead that California automatically gives you each time.

Plus, you like knowing if you lose the Electoral College but win the popular vote you can still try to use that to manufacture some time of resistance for the will of the people. But look out, a lot of your 'popular voters' have been getting deported recently and wont be around next time between that and the changes that will come from the election fraud commission.

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You seem to think they wouldn't have the capacity to turn against him based on his conduct or performance.

You guys just cant stop the name calling, biased reporting/fake news and insults about intelligence of his voters long enough for that to happen.

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Thats happened a couple of times to the Dem side now. 

Yeah, back in 1888. ;)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_elections_in_which_the_winner_lost_the_popular_vote

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You guys just cant stop the name calling, biased reporting/fake news and insults about intelligence of his voters long enough for that to happen.

Your insult still stands. Are you saying that as long as Trump supporters are being insulted, they won't have the capacity to look at his conduct and performance as informed voters? You have a very low opinion of them.

I'd be very insulted if someone thought that about me. I'm sure the Trump supporters here feel the same way.

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Growing economy, high GDP, high job creation, border security, illegal immigration policy, legal immigration policy, fight against ISIS, removal of MS-13 gang members, Supreme Court nomination, energy independence, out of Paris accord, review of NAFTA, etc and etc

yeah, he hasnt done a thing and should be ashamed of himself.

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yet each of those elections was a REFERENDUM ON TRUMP you guys said, especially when the media predicted you might win Georgia. Spent 31 million dollars on a House seat knowing you were gonna lose....? Nah, you went all in and still lost.

Came very close to winning seats the Dems would normally have no chance to win. As you must be aware. But yes the Republicans managed to hang on to what they had. A simplistic person who doesn't understand this would call it a win.

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Are you saying that as long as Trump supporters are being insulted, they won't have the capacity to look at his conduct and performance as informed voters? You have a very low opinion of them.

You guys always try this word trickery, never works. Your side in no way has ever thought of a Trump supporter as an informed voter. Now you say they are to try to play the other side after your side insults them? nobody buying that.

He is doing exactly what they elected him to do. There is no need for any Trump supporters to look at his conduct and performance and side with the Dems who are constantly name calling and insulting their intelligence simply because they voted for Trump. You can be highly intelligent and educated and be perfectly happy with Trump as your President, but you guys cant even consider that so all Trump voters must be low educated stupid people.

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Came very close to winning seats the Dems would normally have no chance to win.

yep almost won, participation trophies for everyone! Yet Trump only won that GA district by 1.5 percent. Is that what you call almost no chance to win? You couldnt have a better chance, only needed to pick up 2 percent and people supposedly hated Trump soooo much more in March 2017 than they even did during the election.

Yet your candidate lost by 5-6 points? Even after all that money spent and anointing the guy as the next coming of Obama after media claimed manipulated polls showed he was actually ahead the whole time?

The media keeps pushing the approval polls and manufacturing some slippage of his support among his supporters but its really not happening like that in any significant amount that I can see.

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But I thought 'telling it like it is' was a good thing? 

Still dont get it. You think calling Trump voters stupid and uneducated is just 'telling it like it is'. Sorry, but the point is that ISNT how it is. It something you guys make up so you dont have to deal with the actual reasons why Trump won. If only other people werent so dumb! you exclaim as you cry yourself to sleep with visions of a victorious Hillary clad in all white emerging from the woods.....

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It something you guys make up so you dont have to deal with the actual reasons why Trump won.

We've gone over the reasons Trump one, and it wasn't because he was more popular.

If you don't like name calling, then why are you okay with Donald Trump's name calling?

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Readers, please stop bickering. Focus your comments on the story and not at each other.

Your side in no way has ever thought of a Trump supporter as an informed voter. 

But they are uninformed. Look at their delusion of thinking that the wall will be built (with Mexico paying for it). No Muslim ban, as promised. No Hillary arrest, No trashing of NAFTA, no trashing of Obamacare and replacing it with something better as he promised, No national Muslim registry. He has not accomplished anything. He is a weak negotiator as proof with the phone calls with Mexico (they will not pay for that wall) and Australia (Trump could not back down from accepting the offshore refugees) leaders. No mass deportation as promised.

Republicans: Why did you want Trump in the first place? There were some decent choices for and you chose Trump???

The only thing Trump manages to do is blame Hillary and Obama.

He is doing exactly what they elected him to do.

Again, what exactly is this?

the 1 million jobs Trump has created

OK, then with the better economy Trump can gladly pay for the wall with American taxpayer money which will be 10s or even 100s of billions of dollars. Stop asking Mexico to pay. It will be a beautiful wall 50ft by 2,000 miles. Also, with the better economy he can make Medicare for all. What say you Trump voters?

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Republicans: Why did you want Trump in the first place? There were some decent choices for and you chose Trump??

He beat Hillary didnt he? None of those other 'decent choices' would have, even as weak of a candidate as she was.

The only thing Trump manages to do is blame Hillary and Obama.

yes, as he points out that they are proven to have done the exact same things that he is always being accused of. He has done plenty more than just blaming people in the last 200 days. I know he is doing things because you guys and the media are triggered by those each day.

Again, what exactly is this?

Jobs, economy, military, ISIS, immigration, border security, healthcare are the main things he was elected to do.

Stop asking Mexico to pay.

You guys wont let that happen because you will still try to claim who paid for it as some moral type victory if he builds the whole wall at correct height and length, secures the border and provides safety and stops illegal immigration to security to our country. Will still whine, yeah butttttt.....Mexico didnt payyyyyy for it and act like you won something. The Medicare thing, no thats no how healthcare should work even if we had a thousand zillion dollars.

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Yes.

Is nuking parts of America you have issues with a Trump thing or what? It's hard to keep up, sometimes.

No, more like, either you live and accept the liberal progressive way and put identity politics before custom, traditions and social norms in order to push a certain agenda in order to feel good.

I thought the tradition in America was that "all men are created equal" and that to realise that, you need... you know; equality? It used to be tradition to own slaves. Segregation was a social norm. Should equalities be rolled back, now?

That's bad as well, so why is it that all the big cities or sanctuary cities have out of control crime, last year Chicago had over 700 homicides in just one year, why are Dems reluctant to crack down on that?

Chicago has always had homicides, riots, gangs. This goes way, way back. Why do you think this is? Opportunistic greed? Inequality?

Recently, there hasn't been an out of control attack on Black churches, which was horrible without question. Nice try. But seriously, why is it that the left are ok with open borders, not wanting to crack down on radical Jihadism, sanctuary cities and physical attacks are up on Whites, socially as well as physically?

Who says there isn't a crackdown on radical Jihadism? Are you implying the "left" wants that? Should people start paying attention because whites are being attacked "socially"? How does that happen, exactly? Any links, citations?

How is the president a racist? I think the left have a deep, deep problem with racism. But whatever works to undermine and keep the status quo in place.

I think most people should have deep, deep problem with racism. Like a President who denigrates Mexicans and Muslims. Who appoints people like Sessions to his cabal of elderly, rich white men.

If that isn't an agenda to keep the status quo, I don't know what is.

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We've gone over the reasons Trump one, and it wasn't because he was more popular. 

Then the Dems should have won and they didn't. He may not be popular with the libs, the media, but the man is a rock star for sure.

Chicago has always had homicides, riots, gangs. This goes way, way back. Why do you think this is? Opportunistic greed? Inequality?

Finally you have a president that wants to crack down on the violence, get rid of sanctuary cities, get rid of the gangs, NO Democrat has undertaken such a task and that's another reason why people like Trump, at least he means what he says and if the leftvwould move over, get over their tears and stop bothering this president, he could do a lot more.

Im not putting any stock in theses polls, every pollster and news pundit were so off about the polls every time it involved this president and they still haven't learned anything yet. How many more times do you need to be body slammed before you realize what happened? They don't get it and they never will.

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The Medicare thing, no thats no how healthcare should work

Wrong:

Trump to Australian prime minister: 'You have better health care than we do'

and:

Back in 2000, he advocated for it as both a potential Reform Party presidential candidate and in his book, "The America We Deserve."

"We must have universal health care. Just imagine the improved quality of life for our society as a whole," he wrote, adding: "The Canadian-style, single-payer system in which all payments for medical care are made to a single agency (as opposed to the large number of HMOs and insurance companies with their diverse rules, claim forms and deductibles) … helps Canadians live longer and healthier than Americans."

and:

"A friend of mine was in Scotland recently. He got very, very sick. They took him by ambulance and he was there for four days. He was really in trouble, and they released him and he said, ‘Where do I pay?’ And they said, ‘There’s no charge,’" Trump said. "Not only that, he said it was like great doctors, great care. I mean, we could have a great system in this country.”

And:

"Everybody’s got to be covered. This is an un-Republican thing for me to say," Trump said in a September 2015 "60 Minutes" interview. "I am going to take care of everybody. I don’t care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken care of now."

He added when asked who is going to pay for it: "The government’s gonna pay for it."

Sorry, looks like Medicare for All under Trump. As Trump voters in Japan know the government is a great provider of healthcare and will do well in the USA too. Trump proves this with his quotes.

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Then the Dems should have won and they didn't.

They did win the popular vote, so they are more popular than the Repubs. Which is precisely why Repubs have had 0 luck in passing their garbage legislation.

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None of those other 'decent choices' would have, even as weak of a candidate as she was.

Because Trump's campaign was based on hate and racism. OK, his followers are hateful racist people who won. Fair enough. A win is a win. You win, you live with it. Now you need to live with Trump's hate and false promises and we have established that Trump will push for Medicare for all.

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Im not putting any stock in theses polls, every pollster and news pundit were so off about the polls every time it involved this president and they still haven't learned anything yet

You posted the results of a poll the other day about people being fed up with hearing about Russia.

Why did you trust that poll?

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They did win the popular vote, so they are more popular than the Repubs.

Then they would be in office, you can't be popular and be marginalized as a party at the same time. The Dems be crushing the GOP at every election and at every turn and not loss a 1000 legislative seats. So there is no way they are a popular party except in the coastal areas. By the way, what kind of National anthem the Calexit (California) will have?

Which is precisely why Repubs have had 0 luck in passing their garbage legislation.

If the Dems wouldn't be snooty and whiney and try to work with the president, a few things would have already passed, but personally, I want the Dems to be as nasty and backstabbing as they can so people will keep them out in the wilderness for some time to come.

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Then they would be in office, you can't be popular and be marginalized as a party at the same time

Did they win the popular vote, yes or not?

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If the Dems wouldn't be snooty and whiney and try to work with the president

Why should Dems work with Repubs to pass unpopular legislation, hmm?

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a few things would have already passed

I agree. Like Trump's nationalized health insurance plan. He really wants to do this.

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Did they win the popular vote, yes or not?

Are they in power anywhere AND did they win the college electorate?

Why should Dems work with Repubs to pass unpopular legislation, hmm?

I understand, I don't like the Democrats either, the only that they're good at is robbing Paul to give to Peter, but it would be the best thing for the country, but if Dems don't want to do that and if they ever get into power again, the GOP will do the same to the Dems. Time to break the cycle and break bread.

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the only that they're good at is robbing Paul to give to Peter,

But Trump wants to do that when he nationalizes healthcare in the USA

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Are they in power anywhere AND did they win the college electorate?

The EC is not the popular vote. They won the popular-they are more popular.

Time to break the cycle and break bread.

As soon as the GOP hops on Trump's plan for universa healthcare, sure. If its just another unpopular healthcare repeal bill, no thank you.

It is odd though that despite being in control of both houses and the whitehouse, that the GOP still can't pass healthcare bills. Enjoy your mess ;)

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"Growing economy, high GDP, high job creation, border security, illegal immigration policy, legal immigration policy, fight against ISIS, removal of MS-13 gang members, Supreme Court nomination, energy independence, out of Paris accord, review of NAFTA, etc and etc."

Pardon me but...you forgot about the low gas and commodities prices.

By the way, there's no such thing as a 'popular vote for president'. You can't "stuff" the ballot box in one state and carry the whole national election! Do you get it? Change the law? Good luck! 38 states have to say yes.

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Pardon me but...you forgot about the low gas and commodities prices.

OK, I understand that Trump followers think that Trump just waved his magic wand and made all this stuff happen. At the same time, some might say it was Obama's doing since he just left the WH. Also, look at the economy of GWB when he left. Personally I don't believe the president has any connection to it. Now look at the real broken promises: No wall, no Muslim ban or registry, ISIS is still dangerous and can come over the Mexican border, no Hillary arrest, no trashing of NAFTA or Iran nuclear deal. And it looks like Trump is going to make Medicare for all.

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The EC is not the popular vote. They won the popular-they are more popular.

But that's our system.

As soon as the GOP hops on Trump's plan for universa healthcare, sure. If its just another unpopular healthcare repeal bill, no thank you. 

ROFL!

It is odd though that despite being in control of both houses and the whitehouse, that the GOP still can't pass healthcare bills. Enjoy your mess ;)

Oh, stop. The Dems are equally as incompetent, they can't even control the cost of the thing, if they do it, the premiums will continue to skyrocket. Either way, both parties are incompetent. If the Dems wouldn't have touched and tried to overhaul the entire system, we wouldn't be talking about this.

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But that's our system.

I never claimed otherwise. I am merely pointing out that Trump supporters are in the minority. He was not more popular than Hillary, and should remember he does not have a mandate.

Oh, stop. The Dems are equally as incompetent,

Nope. Dems actually managed to pass bills. Repubs? Not so much.

they can't even control the cost of the thing, if they do it, the premiums will continue to skyrocket. 

Well they sure will when the GOP passes Trump's plan for universal healthcare ;)

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Lol; Keep telling yourself that as he's winning his Re-Election.

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The scary thing is, if Trump's head rolls, who do you think will replace him? The only people safe in America right now are white, Christian, right-wing straight men.

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But we go by the college electorate, that's our system.

Then stop claiming he is the people's pick etc., we've now established he won the system. Not the most popular.

And who's going to pay for all that.

Taxes will ;)

I keep forgetting, the Dems don't create private sector jobs, they create government jobs and dependent jobs.

The only jobs Trump creates are legal jobs. The economy under Obama improved, the economy under Bush imploded. Keep going.

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It does jump to mind when I read that the lib attacks on Trump are outlandish.

And then there's comments on how HRC is a Marxist. Amazing.

Sometimes political invective and nonsense gets mistaken for debate.

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If government care is so bad then why are you in Japan?

Good question.

And there's more to it than meets the eye. The reasons why (not your excellent question)...

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bass4funkAug. 8  11:17 pm JST

I never claimed otherwise. I am merely pointing out that Trump supporters are in the minority. He was not more popular than Hillary, and should remember he does not have a mandate.

But we go by the college electorate, that's our system.

It's a stupid system, at least the way it currently works, and you're in the minority. You don't speak for Americans, just the dwindling number like yourself.

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Ahhh, so we go right back in a circle

No, Trump confirmed this:

"The government’s gonna pay for it."

(DJT)

Don't worry, it works in Japan. Government healthcare will work fine in the USA.

it's been now over 23 days and the Stock market has been through the roof

Yes, Trump used his magic wand and all that money can go to government healthcare and the wall that Trump has confirmed that Mexico won't pay for. Proof:

“If you are going to say that Mexico is not going to pay for the wall, then I do not want to meet with you guys anymore because I cannot live with that,” Mr. Trump said.

In other words: I WANT MY MOMMY- WHY YOU BEING SO MEAN TO ME...WAAAAAH (DJT)

What a lightweight. Beaten out by Mexico (the wall), Australia (will take offshore refugees) and Canada (did not trash NAFTA after a phonecall with them). But at least we will have government healthcare under Trump.

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Under Obama we never even got close to 2.0% GDP growth and the stock market was on life support, it's been now over 23 days and the Stock market has been through the roof for the last 6 months, a sigh of relief. it took the Obama almost his entire 8 yrs to fix the mountain of poo that was the GFC, The GFC that was brewing the entire 8yrs of the Bush admin. sorry Trump cant even claim half of the economic recover that the Obama admin had to battle through.

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But it doesn't matter, the college electorate is the ONLY system that matters in our US election.

If it doesn't matter, I am sure you will make no further claims about Trump's agenda being what the people want, or the majority of the people support Trump etc. Am I correct?

Ahhh, so we go right back in a circle and watch premium costs go up again and watch people suffer again because they can't pay their premiums.

People were not okay before the ACA. The ACA was an honest attempt at improving access to healthcare. Premiums won't go up and up when we get universal healthcare either.

Under Obama we never even got close to 2.0% GDP growth and the stock market was on life support

Wrong again: http://www.multpl.com/us-gdp-growth-rate/table/by-year

The stock market was on life support after Repubs wrecked it, but it certainly wasn't when he left office.

Furthermore, GDP is a poor indicator of economic strength.

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But it doesn't matter, the college electorate is the ONLY system that matters in our US election.

There is no such thing as "the college electorate" system. That sounds like you have a bunch of university students electing the President. The correct (and only) term is "The Electoral College" (and it's not a place, either--it's a process).

Under Obama . . . the stock market was on life support,

No, it was not. The stock market was on life support on the day of his first inauguration no thanks to the person he replaced, but it wasn't after that. Here are the facts:

http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/02/fact-check-did-the-stock-market-nearly-triple-under-obama/

http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/10/investing/obama-stock-market-trump/index.html

Trump has a lot of work to do if he even wants to come close to what his predecessor achieved--and giving rallies and taking long golf outings aren't the ways to do it.

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No one in the US generates more fake news than Donald Trump. The list is substantial and documented.

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"The Dems be crushing the GOP at every election and at every turn and not loss a 1000 legislative seats."

Just WOW. Consider the source people.

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agenda stalls? Where are they getting this stuff? His agenda is full speed ahead, have you seen the jobs and stocks data? Not to mention consumer confidence? He is doing great. I think these are the same polls that said Hillary would beat him.

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It's a stupid system, at least the way it currently works, and you're in the minority. You don't speak for Americans, just the dwindling number like yourself.

Why should that bigger states have more to say over the smaller states, that's stupid and by the way, when the EC served the Democrats, they were fine with it, always have been until last November, so the left hate our system when it doesn't favor them, but they love it when it does.

All the Democrats had to do was put up a decent candidate, stop over taxing people, create jobs (which they never can do in the private sector) and as in with Obama fix the healthcare system for the people that didn't have its not overhaul the system. If they did all of that, they might still be in power instead of being totally decimated as a party.

Trump is nowhere near perfect, but when overall a huge improvement over the previous 8 years.

Just WOW. Consider the source people.

Have you been to Washington? There's your source.

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and as in with Obama fix the healthcare system for the people that didn't have its not overhaul the system. If they did all of that, they might still be in power instead of being totally decimated as a party.

Yes, I'm fine if Trump goes with his nationalized healthcare plan. But I'm not happy with NK having those nuclear missiles. That is Trump's fault now since he is president and he allowed that to happen.

overall a huge improvement over the previous 8 years.

I'll agree with you once Trump implements his Medicare-for-all plan. Might happen during his presidency.

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All the Democrats had to do was put up a decent candidate

AMEN! Or at least not rig their own primaries, turning off half of their voter base. They had the most popular candidate (Sanders) in the country and rigged it so he could not win.

Ain't too bright.. Even now he is the most popular candidate and they are pushing some black woman candidate for "new faces"

This is "how to lose elections 101"

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AMEN! Or at least not rig their own primaries, turning off half of their voter base. They had the most popular candidate (Sanders) in the country and rigged it so he could not win. 

Ain't too bright.. Even now he is the most popular candidate and they are pushing some black woman candidate for "new faces"

This is "how to lose elections 101"

Exactly, hit the nail on the head, but the left never learn, never.

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bass4funkToday  08:35 am JST

It's a stupid system, at least the way it currently works, and you're in the minority. You don't speak for Americans, just the dwindling number like yourself.

Why should that bigger states have more to say over the smaller states, that's stupid...

Right... so just to be clear here, it's stupid for, let's say Texas, to have 38 Electoral College votes, while Maine, for example, has only 4? Oh, but I don't suppose it is stupid for a big State to have more votes if it's reliably blue, is it?

...and by the way, when the EC served the Democrats, they were fine with it,

You mean, when a Democrat won the popular vote but not the Electoral College vote? When was the last time that happened?

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Why should that bigger states have more to say over the smaller states, that's stupid 

Not bigger states, states with larger populations. As it is now, if you're a Republican in downstate Illinois, upstate New York, or rural California, your vote is basically a throwaway. How does that make sense? How does it make sense for the majority of voters to be ignored in favor of the minority of Trump voters? Spare the, 'that's our system tripe.'

when the EC served the Democrat

Remind me, when is the last time a Democrat won the EC, but lost the popular vote? That's why no one cared, there was no difference between the EC results and the popular vote.

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Oh, but I don't suppose it is stupid for a big State to have more votes if it's reliably blue, is it?

I meant "reliably red," of course. Whoops. I can never quite get over how the GOP has come to be associated with red.

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"How does it make sense for the majority of voters to be ignored in favor of the minority of Trump voters? Spare the, 'that's our system tripe.'"

In a nutshell, it's more difficult to rig one election as opposed to 50 elections.

See Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No 68 for a detailed explaination.

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Sorry. A mistake. 50 elections is of course more difficult to rig.

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See Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No 68 for a detailed explaination.

While I appreciate the historical perspective, anti-federalists leveled the same complaints I've made here.

The rigging/interference argument rings hollow following the 2016 election- doesn't seem to have done any good.

Why not just get rid of elections altogether? Let's just let the EC convene and decide every 4 years.

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Right... so just to be clear here, it's stupid for, let's say Texas, to have 38 Electoral College votes, while Maine, for example, has only 4? Oh, but I don't suppose it is stupid for a big State to have more votes if it's reliably blue, is it?

It makes absolute perfect sense and when it served the Democrats, they never, ever complained about it, but now that it didn't go their way, it's an unfair system. ROFL

https://youtu.be/V6s7jB6-GoU

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/306350-sudden-liberal-opposition-to-electoral-college-not

But a nationwide election would prevent the worst from rising high. Morris predicted that the people “will never fail to prefer some man of distinguished character or services,” or of “continental reputation.” Only if the electors could not agree on a single candidate would the election go to the House, where states would vote by delegation (again enhancing the voice of the states).

If Democrats oppose the Electoral College, it only is in keeping with their broad hostility to the Constitution’s founding of a republican government, not a democratic one.

They are also only arguing to benefit themselves now, not to defend principle. For if they were serious, they should argue that the United States adopt a parliamentary democracy — indeed, the very goal of Woodrow Wilson, the intellectual father of progressivism.

In most of our democratic allies, such as Great Britain, Germany, and Japan, the majority party in the legislature selects a prime minister, who becomes head of the executive branch as well. But even under that system, Hillary Clinton would still have lost, as Republicans have built a huge majority in the House of Representatives over the last three elections.

Nothing better shows how liberal attacks on the Electoral College amount to nothing more than sour grapes and constitutional cherry-picking.

And there you have it and the whining continues......

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It makes absolute perfect sense and when it served the Democrats, they never, ever complained about it, but now that it didn't go their way, it's an unfair system. 

Name one time it went "the Democrats way." Just once, you can't.

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But a nationwide election would prevent the worst from rising high.

It didn't though, did it.

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Name one time it went "the Democrats way." Just once, you can't.

I can.

https://www.usnews.com/debate-club/should-the-united-states-get-rid-of-the-electoral-college/electoral-college-favors-democrats

Actually, don't bother trying to explain. It's abundantly clear how worthless your opinion is.

Don't hate the messenger, hate the message.

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I can.

I like how your article makes my point for me, Bass.

Although, it complains about non-citizens being counted in national apportionment, non-citizens exist in all states.

The Dems have not lost the popular vote but one the EC since 1888. The GOP on the other hand has won the presidency in this manner twice in the past decade in a half. Its no wonder the GOP can win the WH. ;)

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Although, it complains about non-citizens being counted in national apportionment, non-citizens exist in all states.

Make your point? LOL Get over it, Dems would never complain when it helps them. Get over it, I like trees, leave them alone.

The Dems have not lost the popular vote but one the EC since 1888. The GOP on the other hand has won the presidency in this manner twice in the past decade in a half. Its no wonder the GOP can win the WH. ;)

Yeah, right. More like, the Democrats can't get on message, wait....what message? 1000 legislative seats, less than 16 governors across the country....ouch! Leave Russia, get a message for the people and win elections.

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bass4funkToday  05:20 pm JST

Don't hate the messenger, hate the message.

It's hard to hate the message when it's so garbled and incoherent that I can't make out what it's supposed to be.

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As I was saying before, Trump is taking a hard position towards Korea, he's put them on notice, not going to falter on any of it, unlike the last president that wouldn't even enforce his own red line. He's doing it from a position of strength and not weakness.

There is nothing in that statement that's either garbled or incoherent.

Try again.

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Out-of-touch Trump Administration millionaires totally out of their depth in government, making an absolute mess of everything they attempt to do...and now they are going to bring nukes raining down all over the globe...thanks for NOTHING.

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Out-of-touch Trump Administration millionaires totally out of their depth in government, making an absolute mess of everything they attempt to do...

We said th exact same thing of the last president.

and now they are going to bring nukes raining down all over the globe...thanks for NOTHING.

Who said that? It's think it's time to turn off CNN

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As I was saying before, Trump is taking a hard position towards Korea, he's put them on notice, not going to falter on any of it, unlike the last president that wouldn't even enforce his own red line. He's doing it from a position of strength and not weakness.

There is nothing in that statement that's either garbled or incoherent.

What?! That's not even what you were writing about. Electoral College. Remember? How it's apparently stupid but makes perfect sense at the same time? Where's this stuff about Korea coming from? Got your articles confused?

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"It's a stupid system, at least the way it currently works, and you're in the minority. You don't speak for Americans, just the dwindling number like yourself."

So...the founding father got it wrong?  This not even an issue with us Americans. It is a manufactured issue made by the MSM. Your opinion is in the minority. Why don't you take the time to read the Federalist Papers? Maybe you would come to an understanding about this issue. I repeat again...only the MSM is making an issue of this. Got it? I live in the US. So, prove me wrong!

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I think the Russia thing is going to bring him down; they have a LOT to hide & little doubt that they colluded with the Russians to give the election to trump.

I'm surprised he even has a third of the voters still backing him. Who are these people?

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What?! That's not even what you were writing about. Electoral CollegeRemember?

Yes, so you made my point for me, now that Trump is president, he will deal with NK in heavy handed way. I was talking about all around as a leader.

How it's apparently stupid but makes perfect sense at the same time? Where's this stuff about Korea coming from? Got your articles confused?

Makes a lot of difference, if there is a war and should be executed properly, I want a president with some brass ones, not one that thinks graduating from Harvard.

"It's a stupid system, at least the way it currently works, and you're in the minority. You don't speak for Americans, just the dwindling number like yourself."

Yeah, keep telling yourself that. ROFL

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"if there is a war and should be executed properly, I want a president with some brass ones, not one that thinks graduating from Harvard."

Try again. Statements and sentences, if well thought out, should make sense.

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