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Bridges, not walls.

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Why is Saudi Arabia not included? They sponsor most of the terror groups and this is where the ideology comes from after all.

Aaahhhh, right, they have oil...

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We are building a wall with the money that should be used to fund health care and support the most vulnerable and veterans who need our support. Shame on us.

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Do you know what goes under walls? Tunnels.

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Just like the old Berlin Wall, there could be a time soon enough when the wall will be to keep Americans in rather than others out.

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Aaahhhh, right, they have oil...

And Saudi ruling families have for generations been friends with US ruling families (including presidents 41 and 43,) and the man currently sitting in the oval office has business dealings with them. Global oligarchs support global oligarchs as long as there's profit involved, regardless of nationality.

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Expect massive demonstrations by illegal aliens demanding their rights

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Bridges, not walls.

Walls and hopefully, tolls and if approved then a possible bridge.

We are building a wall with the money that should be used to fund health care

If we can cut as much governmental entitlement program as possible, that should be possible.

and support the most vulnerable and veterans who need our support. Shame on us.

We can walk and chew gum at the same time, long overdue. Go Trump!!!!

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Will be a waste of money that could be put to better use elsewhere....but the Trumpians just like the way a wall sounds so their emotions are forcing a bad choice on taxpayers.

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Y'all quit yer frettin' cause Mexico's paying for it.

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Asked about Trump’s wall, Republican U.S. Senator John McCain said a physical barrier was not enough to secure the border and called for the additional use of observation towers, drones and other technology.

I wonder, is the wall ostensibly meant to keep out illegal immigrants, but really meant to keep in Americans? I think I'll dust of my copy of 1984 this weekend.

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The illegal's are going to build the wall and Trump is not going to pay them. I now understand how Mexico will fund the job.

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The illegal's are going to build the wall and Trump is not going to pay them.

Old habits die hard, then?

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It's gonna cost $30 billion, taking 40,000 workers five years. Most of those workers may be Mexican, and most of the firms supplying the steel & concrete could well be from the Mexican side. With that sort of shot in the arm the Mexican Gov might well be willing to pony up a token few dollars at the end of it all! What a massive folly from theTrump, it will haunt his entire legacy.

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@Mr. Noidall. Oh, please. Actually a number of wing nuts promised to leave if Trump was elected and I'm still waiting them to keep their promise.

@keika1628. Trump will withhold aid annually given to Mexico and that will fund the wall.

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Canada announced that is also building a wall to keep out America and America will pay for it...

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I guess he wasn't kidding as regurgitated ad infinitum by the usual crowd over the course of the election cycle. Hmmmm...

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Trump should use the same undocumented workers that helped build Trump Tower. Or maybe build a wall around his wife who lived here and worked illegally.

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so B L I N D Trump supporters...

He's building your wall and taking a sledge hammer to everything else.

Please enjoy living in your bunker !

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Why not a fence, I wall will one day fail and need repairs and very expensive. Seem like a stupid Idea. A electric fence with land mines, Rabid dogs and drones spreading infectious radiation isotopes place all along the fence and with in the safe zone of 50Km. If Mexico going to pay this would be way cheaper then building a wall. Ask China they been there done that and it didn't,t work,

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Now I want to hear how he's planning to have Mexico paying for it. This guy has barely completed a week in power and is already the worst President of all. He is a blend of George W. Bush, Ronald Reagan and Nixon.

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Build it and they will come!

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It's a good idea because most people won't be able to cross the border.

There will be army bases along the border 2.

The best thing they can do, is build 2 walls. a small 1 on the other side, and stick sniffer dogs in there. that will stop them jumping the wall.

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Will be a waste of money that could be put to better use elsewhere....

It's a waste of money because liberals don't have a say as to what entitlement programs the money should be allocated to.

but the Trumpians just like the way a wall sounds so their emotions are forcing a bad choice on taxpayers.

That's a bad choice most of us living in border states don't mind paying.

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Will build a protion of it because cost overrun and other problems then will proclaim mission accomplished.

I wonder if we are going to see the detailed costs for construction/maintenance/operation but I'm not holding my breath.

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bass4funk

Waste of money that could be used to get America's transportation infrastructure into the 21st century. Better public transportation, fix our roads and bridges, water lines. shoot, I wouldn't even mind oil lines if they were actually maintained / built properly.

That walls gonna have to be pretty tall to stop the 20% of illegal immigrants that come by plane and just overstay their visa.

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Make it BIGLY, make it the worlds 8th wonder :)

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wonder if we are going to see the detailed costs for construction/maintenance/operation but I'm not holding my breath.

With the $17 Trillion Obama accumulated, another 2 billion won't make that much of a difference.

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The best thing they can do, is build 2 walls>

Sure, why not. If someone else is paying for it let's build three, out of Inca gold and patrolled by ocelots.

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Left wingers living in Japan complaining about stricter immigration control in the US. Have to wonder about that.

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It's gonna be YUUUUUUUGE!

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Maybe Trump should just build his wall around his supporters nobody really needs a Trump supporter running around anywhere...

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Simple and basic concept that every person has... personal safety, security, health and well being. It is not different than having a secured door to your room or house. It is like having a fence around your home or land.

One does not have to take it beyond that an moralize or use some idealistic values that is not realistic to justify NOT having a wall. In the past all castles had a wall and even a moat to protect against enemies. Japan has a natural wall called ocean acting like a wall. Even the Pope lives in a walled city of his own called the Vatican.

It is not a problem about a wall... it is about who is "allowed" to enter. It is not about keeping out those who want to enter as much as having the opportunity to qualify who gets to enter. It is no different than going through immigration sites at the airport.

Why the big fuss? Come off it...

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I was actually saying that the funds could be used elsewhere and more effectively in other immigration enforcement areas. That's one reason why past presidents have passed on building the wall. Trump and his supporters are just too emotional to make good decisions on this matter.

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I was actually saying that the funds could be used elsewhere and more effectively in other immigration enforcement areas.

Well, you can do both, build a strong wall, defense and other ways to block illegal immigration.

That's one reason why past presidents have passed on building the wall.

No, just both parties didn't care and the Dems needed the votes and the Repubs needed the cheap labor, that's why they all passed and overlooked everything.

Trump and his supporters are just too emotional to make good decisions on this matter.

That comment coming from you liberals?? ROFL too, too, funny!

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Otherwise known as Trumps Folly.

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This Idea is Off the Wall & as far as I'm concerned A piss-poor waste of Taxpayers $$!-Half of Mexico is probably HERE by now!

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Another dang misquote... he's building a Walmart.

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This wall will be mostly symbolic. For Trump's supporters it signifies retribution against the multiculturalism and globalization that has made them feel emasculated (i.e. "screw those other people"). For Trump itself it is just another monument to his inflated and yet fragile ego.

It will not be effective, and it will be a big waste of money.

But Trump and his disciples don't care about that. They've got their own alternative facts.

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The first action of the next Democratic presidency - repeal the wall.

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Wow, I am amazed at how much work is getting done. First, it was he wasnt going to build the wall, he is a liar. He isnt going to follow through with the Muslim country restrictions, no more catch and release, etc etc. Now it IS he is going to build the wall, but now people are saying it wont work, its bad idea, waste of money, etc. Eventually people wont have anything left to complain about as Trump keeps proving them wrong.

See the CNN main page, even they are saying Trump is doing exactly what he said he would do.

In his free time, he even froze the 221 million dollars that Obama tried to sneak to Palestine without Congressional approval in his last hours in office. Even made some time to look into any voter fraud and how dead people are still registered to vote, so that can be cleaned up. This man is high energy and doing everything he can to care for the American people safety, security, and economic prosperity.

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You gotta give the guy credit for following through with what he said.

Of course, that's exactly what scares the rest of us.

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I know this has been said many times but if walls arent needed and dont work, why are Obama and Mark Zuckerberg building them around their own homes? I dont see any bridges being built to welcome people who shouldnt be there to come have coffee- much less to stay permanently as illegal aliens do in the USA.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4095126/Workers-seen-building-wall-Obamas-new-Washington-DC-home.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3665223/This-amazing-ocean-view-brought-Mark-Zuckerberg-Facebook-founder-s-six-foot-wall-100m-Hawaii-retreat-obscures-spectacular-panorama-locals.html

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Good job, that will made America safer than ever. I agree with Trump's policy and his achievement will be honoured in US.history no less than Roosevelt.

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@plasticmonkey. No, at the very least it will be a symbolic gesture to a government that has ignored the will of the people for decades. Multiculturalism is fine but it must be controlled and it must be legal.' You "we are a nation of immigrants" folks need to check out old photos of Ellis Island; you will see lines and order, not mad dashes across the desert.

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The transcontinental railway was built in the 1850s with technologies of the day, the US sent a man to the moon in '69, the wall is a simple construction compared to these two accomplishments. The wall can and will be built if the people so will it. Millions of immigrants have legally come to the united states through the years and will continue to come... legally. The illegals that are here will be dealt with in a fairly and by the rule of law. Most will be allowed to stay, the criminals and undesirables will be booted.

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The border is so long, it's impossible to keep an eye on every foot of it. People will probably only need a 2 to 3-foot hole to get through.

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The plan for Mexico to pay for it was in DT's manifesto. The manifesto said he would impose a tax on remittance to Mexico. That said, there is other way to avoid it by remitting to other countries first with an additional cost.

It is impossible to send the bill to Mexican government.

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I have to say this - he's trying to keep his campaign promises.

Building a wall for the entire length is stupid and simplistic. Need real solutions to the problem.

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plasticmonkey has officially opened his dwelling door to anyone wanting to pop in and eat his food and use his belongings.

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plasticmonkey has officially opened his dwelling door to anyone wanting to pop in and eat his food and use his belongings.

Please explain how that has any relevance to my comment.

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You dwell on the miscellaneous and not the pertinent here.

Place yourselves physically at the border town in the USA or any country. This is a physical matter and issue, not an idealistic rights and humanitarian values issue. Then start your opinions.

Such idealistic and humanitarian issues can be resolved by laws, policies and procedures and NOT by physical issues such as a wall.

The paying of the wall is also a physical issue and not an human rights or who pays what issue. The physical facts proved that a physical wall was necessary to prevent physical penetration of the territories owned and run by the people for the people within the USA.

The facts are that the entire world is not living peacefully as a single people. It is different people with different identities and thoughts, needs, etc. that are trying to work together or greedily or otherwise for oneself. Even with the technologies in communication, transportation, etc. the world is not yet one and probably would not be till we are invaded by aliens that may try to take over the world. Then the entire world would build a WALL of some sort to protect against any invading aliens. That is because we are living physical organisms.

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As was said Tunnels, doubt all the current smuggling ones have been found.

The wall would have to extend underground. BTW, Mexico won't get the Bill till it is finished .

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This wall will be mostly symbolic.

Is what's going in the liberal blogosphere talk?

For Trump's supporters it signifies retribution against the multiculturalism and globalization that has made them feel emasculated (i.e. "screw those other people"). For Trump itself it is just another monument to his inflated and yet fragile ego.

And don't forget to hinder and stop the flow of illegals from entering the country.

It will not be effective, and it will be a big waste of money.

Yeah, when liberals say it, I believe it. ROFL

But Trump and his disciples don't care about that. They've got their own alternative facts.

As long as Trump keeps his word on most of the issues unlike Obama, No, most of us probably don't care.

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I'm rather tired of the term "undocumented immigrant". This is not a legal definition of someone who enters or stays in a country in violation of that country's laws. They are not "undocumented", and as they have no legal basis to stay, neither are they "immigrants". The legal term is "illegal alien", because they are in the country illegally, and as they have no legal status to stay in the country, they are "aliens", not immigrants. Those who receive green cards to stay are not called "documented immigrants", they are called "resident aliens" until they either leave, or obtain citizenship.

We don't call bank robbers "unfunded", we don't call drunk drivers "un-sober" drivers, we don't call bad people "un-good," unless we are trying to create some form of "Newspeak" in America.

We cannot blame Trump for wanting to build a wall and deport millions, we must blame previous administrations for failing in their duty to keep the southern border secure, and to enforce the laws requiring those who get in illegally to be found and deported. The current mess is not Trump's fault, but the fault of all of his predecessors. Trump's enforcement of existing law is less of an evil than his predecessors' failure to do the same.

Back in 1986 America passed a comprehensive immigration reform act. This act gave amnesty to those who were in the country illegally at the time. It also criminalized the act of hiring illegal aliens, and set punishments for those who did. It also stated specifically that "immigration laws shall be vigorously enforced." But we all know that the laws were not vigorously forced; it did little to punish those who hired illegal aliens, and immediately upon the law's passage, cities around the country began to flout the new law by declaring sanctuary status.

America needs more legal immigration, and far less illegal immigration. If America needs low-cost labor, by all means let people come in to perform it. But these people must apply, undergo health and criminal background checks, and be kept track of while they are in America. Their employers must sponsor them, and guarantee that they receive a minimum wage. These immigrants may not be given welfare or other public assistance. They must pay taxes and social security, which will be partially and wholly refunded to them when they leave. If they keep their noses clean, and show themselves to be of good character, and can assimilate into American society, then they should be allowed to stay. If they commit any crime, they should be deported immediately, and not be eligible to be refunded what they paid in tax and social security.

But we cannot simply allow millions of people to simply walk into the country, not knowing who they are, where they come from, their state of health, or their criminal backgrounds. It is utterly stupid to allow such a thing to happen, and things should never have been allowed to devolve to the current state.

The first action of the next Democratic presidency - repeal the wall

You don't realize what an issue illegal immigration is in America. It is likely the issue which got Trump elected. And if any democrat candidate for president runs on the platform of "repealing the wall", they will certainly lose. And if Trump softens his position, he will be tossed out of office by many of those who put him into it.

In a speech to a Brazilian bank back in 2013 (for which she was handsomely paid), Hillary stated “My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, some time in the future with energy that is green..." Trump brought this up in a debate, and many in Washington saw this as the moment Hillary lost the election.

The reason there has been no new immigration reform act, and the reason why current laws have not been relaxed or abolished is because doing so would cause national outrage. So instead of enforcing the laws, reforming them, or abolishing them, they are simply unenforced. Republicans want cheap labor, democrats want a larger underclass which votes democrat. The Americans who have to compete against illegal aliens for work and wages, or who have to wait in long lines in emergency rooms, or overcrowded classrooms are ignored. Or at least they were.

BTW, Mexico won't get the Bill till it is finished

Don't bet on that. Mexico receives a substantial amount of foreign aid from America each year. America could quite easily subtract the cost of the wall from this aid. Mexico and it's neighbors receive some $500,000,000 each year from America.

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Barely a week into the Trump presidency and he is already making the country smaller, darker and weaker. Every American is going to be made worse off by this idiot over the next 4 years.

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Never understood how illegal immigrants can get medical, housing, schooling, ...

No proof of visa status or similar needed?

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@sangetsu03. Best post of 2017 to date. Well written.

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Mr. Gorbachev, tear down that wall! Oh, wait a minute...where was I?

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Mexico said they won't pay.

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Now Trump wants to increase the border patrol agents by over 10,000 and withhold federal money going to sanctuary cities? Wow! This is like a dream come true!

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Everyone knows there are walls/fences there already, right?

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Walls and Bridges.

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Everyone knows there are walls/fences there already, right?

Yeah, but not enough of them and not enough border patrol agents to handle all of the inflow.

Mexico said they won't pay.

They won't outright willing, but with tariffs and remittances with all the money Mexico sends back, we can get reimbursed, that's not a problem at all, there are so many ways to get that money back, that's why the Mexican government is a bit quiet about the issue, they see it finally coming to fruition.

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DT is certainly a doer - only been in office a week and he is already making things happen.

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Check the breaking news.

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Increasing border patrol manning and not giving federal money to sanctuary cities who refused to uphold federal LAW is the key point for me. Even more so than what the liberals now want to call a symbolic wall? Nothing symbolic about it, it will physically exist and be used to keep people out who arent supposed to be here. Is immigration at Narita symbolic or can they deport you if you not supposed to be here? thought so.

Japan gets to control its borders and deport illegals but for the USA we just let anyone walk across? I know we cant catch everyone but even if we catch them they can still stay anyway? ridiculous! I work in an office that requires an access card. Do you have any rights to walk into my office? No you will denied and will be removed if you somehow manage to sneak in.

A combination of the wall, increased patrols and actual enforcement of already existing laws should solve this issue relatively quickly.

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Well, I guess it's good he kept to his campaign promises at least. But spending money on a silly fence instead of improving the lives of his own countrymen is pretty low

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I don't understand this. When Obama was president, there were all kinds of policies he apparently couldn't put into effect because Congress (the Senate?) wouldn't give the OK.

I've heard nothing about Trump asking for any OK from Congress (the Senate?). Can he just make things up as he goes along? Don't things like this need to be debated and voted on by the grown-ups?

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Good job, that will made America safer than ever

America isn't safe, and Trump isn't changing that. The 9/11 hijackers were Saudis; the Boston marathon bombers originated from Russia. All the other very frequent mass murders in the US have been carried out by nutcase Americans. Nothing Trump is doing would've stopped any of it.

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soiling America’s historic reputation as a welcoming place for immigrants of all stripes.

The US is still a welcoming place for legal immigrants of all stripes.

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http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/03/160304-us-mexico-border-fence-wall-photos-immigration/

The above link shows a picture of the existing border wall. That, plus the thousands of Border Patrol agents, is sufficient to keep the border reasonably secure from individuals seeking to walk across the border without regulation.

Since the last Republican president, the one who helped cause the global economic meltdown, there has been a net negative migration from Mexico to the USA. In other words, more people have been illegally crossing into Mexico from the USA than the other way around.

The overwhelming majority of people who are in the USA illegally have overstayed their visas. In other words, they came into the country legally, whether as tourists or students, but then stayed past the expiration date on their visa.

So, the man from the Alternative Right, who lives in an Alternative Reality, with his Alternative Facts, has decided, based upon falsehoods, that building a Great Wall of China on the American southern border and demanding that someone else pay for it, is something that will be useful.

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I am not sure how building a border wall will make the U.S. weaker, smaller, or darker. I am all for legal immigration. If the U.S. wants to remain sovereign then it should control the borders. Perhaps some of Trump's other policies may make the U.S. weaker or smaller but I do not think trying to control ILLEGAL immigration will.

@Cleo - building the wall will require money, that money needs to be approved by Congress. President Obama also signed executive orders, as did Bush, etc.

However when it comes to spending money agreement from Congress is needed.

Grown ups will debate this I am sure and most likely come to the conclusion that a wall is needed. It seems the Border Patrol is 100% behind Trump on this issue as well.

Lacking a North American Union, similar to the EU, the U.S. should do something to protect the borders as this is also a national security issue.

Immigration reform is needed and as part of immigration reform a mechanism to prevent continuous illegal border crossings should be part of the reform package.

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When Obama was president, there were all kinds of policies he apparently couldn't put into effect because Congress (the Senate?) wouldn't give the OK. I've heard nothing about Trump asking for any OK from Congress (the Senate?). >

What Trump has already done is just more proof that in fact Obama could have taken action if he wanted to. It was just easier to blame the Congress instead of actually doing something. He didnt do it because he and/or the liberals didnt want to do it, its that simple. The Congress told him to not send 221 million dollars to Palestine, yet he had no problem doing that anyway on his last day.

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I've heard nothing about Trump asking for any OK from Congress (the Senate?). Can he just make things up as he goes along? Don't things like this need to be debated and voted on by the grown-ups?

Good point. Since Trump obviously has some backdoor ways of dealing, no checks and balances holding him in place, and unlimited power, he can do whatever he wants. Kind of reminds me of other dictators like Kim Jong and how he doesn't have to go through due process to get what he wants. It also mirrors how Hitler came into power.

America isn't safe, and Trump isn't changing that. The 9/11 hijackers were Saudis; the Boston marathon bombers originated from Russia. All the other very frequent mass murders in the US have been carried out by nutcase Americans. Nothing Trump is doing would've stopped any of it.

That's such a good point. Trump probably won't stop at a wall between Mexico and the U.S. He probably knows that many terrorists can get to the U.S. through Canada ...

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Gotta hand it to the guy. He said he was gonna build a wall, and here you go...

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I wish he'd just build a wall around himself, a padded one.

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what the liberals now want to call a symbolic wall? Nothing symbolic about it, it will physically exist

Symbolic and physical are not antithetical.

My point is that the primary (though not sole) motivation for building this wall is emotion. For Trump's supporters, anger and resentment. For Trump, personal insecurity and self-aggrandizement.

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I don't understand this. When Obama was president, there were all kinds of policies he apparently couldn't put into effect because Congress (the Senate?) wouldn't give the OK.

Which policies specifically?

I've heard nothing about Trump asking for any OK from Congress (the Senate?). Can he just make things up as he goes along? Don't things like this need to be debated and voted on by the grown-ups?

On certain issues and like the wall, he doesn't need to ask congress.

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I disagree, the primary motivation for building this wall is to physically keep people out. if it were emotional we would be begging and pleading with illegals to not come, appealing to their emotions by telling them they will be mistreated by all the racists who dont actually exist.

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Did the Pilgrim Fathers have work visas?

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Trump could probably build this wall cheap because he'll just hire those undocumented and illegal Polish workers he had to build his Trump Tower, to do it for him. He could even hire those illegal foreign models he had work for his agency to provide cheap labor for him.

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For Trump, personal insecurity and self-aggrandizement.

That's fine, but the wall is coming and I am very glad about it.

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Obama uses executive orders. Republicans freak out about abuse of power. After his presidency Republicans say:

What Trump has already done is just more proof that in fact Obama could have taken action if he wanted to.

Wow.

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The first action of the next Democratic presidency -

Now that's funny.

Did the Pilgrim Fathers have work visas?

Pretty sure that's rhetorical.

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if it were emotional we would be begging and pleading with illegals to not come,

No, it's an attempt to create a false sense of security and satisfaction at blocking illegals. 'False' being because it won't keep illegals out. If the appeal were to logic, then solutions other than a wall that will only be partially effective at best would be looked at.

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I had no comment on Obama executive orders or any abuse of power.

@Cleo was commenting how can Trump do these things when Obama could not. @Peterl is saying he is doing backdoor dealing both of them seemed confused about why Trump can do these things when Obama could not.

In fact, Obama could have done anything that Trump did this week but chose to do other things. Thankfully what Trump cares about and what Obama cares about is much different. Trump is not doing anything backdoor and he doesnt have a magic pen that allows him to do anything that Obama didnt do too.

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Trump is not doing anything backdoor and he doesnt have a magic pen that allows him to do anything that Obama didnt do too.

The difference being that when Obama used executive orders, the right got angry that he'd do something that every president before him did. When Trump is using executive orders, the left is angry at the content of the executive orders, not the fact that he is using them.

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If you look into it, most people that cross wouldn't have ladders on them.

Anti Trump supports start selling big ladders to Mexico now. This way the wall if pointless.

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'False' being because it won't keep illegals out.>

Correct, no solution will keep all illegals out. But a wall will keep more out than doing emotional pleas to people. It doesnt work just asking them not to walk over an invisible line called a border, but that has nothing to designate it as such. A wall is a physical example of separation, a way to show that hey you shouldnt be here if you are not invited. Can people tunnel under or climb over? sure, thats why you have patrols/sensors/cameras to deal with that.

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But a wall will keep more out than doing emotional pleas to people. It doesnt work just asking them not to walk over an invisible line called a border

And it's not going to stop those who overstay visas, nor is it going to stop those determined enough to climb over or dig under the wall.

It's simply not a cost-effective method to dealing with the problem.

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Yes but those things will never be stopped by other than inhumane actions. For example, microchip with GPS any visa holder and physically remove them the day after their visa expires. For climbers and tunnelers you shoot them on sight as deterrence to others. Both problems solved by these and other inhumane methods. But thankfully, we dont live in a world where these are an option.

So I will take the 80 percent solution of the wall over no solution at all, regardless of cost. Besides, Mexico is paying for it they just dont know it yet.

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like another user said on this site, someone builds a wall, someone else builds a tunnel. This happens everywhere. The wall is no solution. Just a waste of taxpayers' money.

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The higher the wall the deeper the tunnel. That's all I can say.

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want to call a symbolic wall?

If all you need is ladders it's symbolic (and a joke). It's a 30 billion dollar joke on the taxpayers since Mexico won't pay.

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"Good job, that will made America safer than ever. I agree with Trump's policy and his achievement will be honoured in US.history no less than Roosevelt."

Well of course it will. Fox News could kick off a campaign to have it registered as a world heritage site.

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Some people say this is symbolic or all you need is ladders....or you can dig a tunnel....however may of the border patrol agents and the head of their union is in support of this wall and says it will help them immensely.

On the other hand many critics say this will not help.

Regardless I think something needs to be done related to the issues with the porous U.S. southern border.

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I will take the 80 percent solution of the wall over no solution at all, regardless of cost.

AKA an emotional response.

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@Plasticmonkey, this: retribution against the multiculturalism and globalization that has made them feel emasculated..

So of course it has nothing to do with wasted taxes, being illegal, and crime. Automatically you bring in the race/culture card. Typical. The laws already exist so Trump is doing nothing new just enforcing them.

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No, an emotional response is to do nothing and hope that other people are good people and will follow all the rules and regulations and to not do illegal things. In this case an emotional response is simply hope that people follow existing immigration procedures. But that is obviously not happening if there are 11 million illegals in the country.

When you came to Narita did they just hope that you had a passport and visa and were supposed to be here? or was there some type of physical barrier or locked door preventing your illegal access?

An 80 percent solution is not emotion is reality with an understanding of the Pareto principle. You can get 80 percent of desired results resolving 20 percent of the inputs. Often trying to get more is found to not be cost effective, you might resolve 20 percent more of the inputs and only get a 1 percent increase in results. Anyway, there is a reason its called the Pareto Principle not the Pareto emotion.

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So.... for all the leftist here that claimed that "he is not going to build a wall, your delusional/fooled/being lied to, what do you have to say about yourselves now?

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Dump Trump must have a Concrete Business and a Construction company to build this wall it will require a massive amount of money and materials who is going to pay Donald dump trump.

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Well, if not a wall, then how should the US go about securing its southern border? After all, a country without a border isn't a country. For those who don't want a wall, what is your alternative? I'd love to hear it!

That is, assuming you think that a country has the right to control who enters and who doesn't. A country can and should choose immigrants based on what is best for the COUNTRY, and not the prospective immigrant. If you don't agree with that basic premise, then the discussion is moot.

Illegal immigrants do NOT contribute to the economy, do create a climate where wages are kept artificially low, do hurt vulnerable Americans by flooding the labor market, and are not needed. Every job done by an illegal immigrant could be done by a legal resident or citizen. Every job.

If you want to argue that the current immigration system needs an overhaul, that is another conversation. Ditto with implementing a guest worker visa program.

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30 Billion........ so you think (general statement "you") that building a wall is more important than having a better educated public? That learns to creatively think so as to not be made dumb by authorities? So as to be able to always be employable in a new age instead of sucking on the teat of handouts. And waiting for a rich man to bring jobs is just as much a hand out as welfare. But those elites the white working class hates are largely whites and recent immigrants with educations in STEM fields coming out of school with offers of jobs over 80,000 USD. I have many friends making 6 figures wearing comfortable clothes and using their passports not sweating anything if they miss a day of work cuz a kid was sick. Working class whites sold fear by elite whites whose kids (and other's kids) are ready for the new age of automation and technology. Your factory job needs less of you and more of them. Even the new style supermarkets need more tech and less cashiers. Recent immigrants flooding hospitals and tech firms because we import more engineers and med students than ever. Our cities are gentrifying with more upper class degree holders. The gap between integrated urban culture and the rural folks will grow and the fear of the unknown widen.

But we need that money for a wall....cuz Mexicans are taking jobs. What a joke. if you can't compete with largely uneducated laborers than you have your own issues. I personally know at least 7-8 undocumented workers who work twice as hard as I do, pay taxes but can't get money back after filing taxes. Billions of dollars that the government just keeps by the way. But go ahead and build the wall to make the fascist followers comfortable.

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All the other very frequent mass murders in the US have been carried out by nutcase Americans

This is not true. Illegal aliens represent about 5% of the US population (which is staggering), but they account for nearly 14% 0f all crimes committed. 12% of all murders in America are committed by illegal aliens, and 16% of convictions for drug trafficking. More than one illegal alien has been arrested for multiple murder, or serial murder, like Rafael Resendez-Ramirez, who killed at least 9 people, or Pablo Seranno Vitorino, who killed 5.

Illegal aliens commit an average of 12 murders in America every day. This being the case, illegal aliens kill far more than the occasional nutcase American mass murderer, or serial killer.

The problem is that many illegal aliens are fleeing justice in their home countries, just as American criminals used to flee to Mexico.

Legal immigrants to America commit a disproportionately low number of crimes relative to the population, whereas with illegal immigrants the opposite is true.

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If the dark rumors surrounding the orange Ozymandias in the Oval office are true, Trump will be gone before a wall is completed: "Look on my works, Ye Mighty, and despair!"

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Spend it on education instead? I am all for education but Obama administration spent 7 BILLION dollars on a program that....generated no academic gains. Guess Trump will have to fix education too.

https://www.aei.org/publication/greatest-failure-in-history-us-department-of-education/

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Virgo, the point isn't competing with uneducated illegal laborers, nor is it a contest to see who is the hardest working. THe fact is that each of those illegal laborers could be replaced by an American citizen or resident, who would then have the dignity of having a job and earning a salary. True the country needs technology and engineers, but it also needs welders and electricians and plumbers. I'd love to see more money spent on vocational training and real skills rather than Womyn's Victimization Studies or the History of Botswanian Tapestry.

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just as American criminals used to flee to Mexico.

I know. I see this a lot in Hollywood movies.

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@POV

So of course it has nothing to do with wasted taxes, being illegal, and crime.

I didn't say that. Read my post again.

Automatically you bring in the race/culture card. Typical.

Automatically? After years of snarky comments from the far right about Obama's birthplace, upbringing, middle name, and religious affiliation? Trump built his political career on that. Took out a full page in the Daily News in 1989 calling for the death penalty for five black kids arrested for raping a white woman. Don't tell me he would have done that if the races were reversed. After the five were exonerated in 2014, Trump doubled down, still insisting they were guilty. Feeling proud of his stance, he said, "I think people are tired of politically correct." You know what that means.

If you don't think race and culture affects what people think about the wall, read this:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/pew-immigration-wall-227367

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If all you need is ladders it's symbolic (and a joke). It's a 30 billion dollar joke on the taxpayers since Mexico won't pay.

That's ok, we don't expect that, we'll just impose tariffs and remittances on them or on the money they send back and now with the demand for illegals to carry photo IDs it will help to track the money they send back, so NO problem.

And it's not going to stop those who overstay visas, nor is it going to stop those determined enough to climb over or dig under the wall.

No, it won't, but with severe penalties and strict immigration laws and increased border patrol, deportations, you can make it more difficult and less attractive for people attempting on trying to sneak into the country

It's simply not a cost-effective method to dealing with the problem.

Both parties have been saying that and in the US along the border states, we had to suffer the consequences, so I'm with Trump, he should do what he can, build it absolutely and take it from there and then we can see which side was wrong on this issue.

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So does this also mean that no one from the US will be able to venture into Mexico if this wall is built?

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No, it won't

Same with ladders and ropes.

it will help to track the money they send back

Then when they send money home they will use Bitcoin and other ways to circumvent. Piece of cake.

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No, it won't, but with severe penalties and strict immigration laws and increased border patrol, deportations, you can make it more difficult and less attractive for people attempting on trying to sneak into the country>

Don't you think it might be worth trying these measures for a year or two before building a 30 billion wall that may or may not work? I'm thinking in terms of punishing employers for using illegal labor (as Trump did), stopping or discouraging Mexicans sending money home etc. This wall is an almighty gamble for him, it's going to be a huge albatross around his neck.

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Does any Trump loving Mexico hater realize that Mexico is one of the top buyers in the world of products from the USA? Check the facts. What is that ranking? And what is the comparison of imports and exports between USA and Mexico? Trump just hates Mexico. He can't stand their sight so he wants to block the complete view from the USA. It's more tacky than the gold curtains in his office.

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Basically, the US taxpayers will front the billion$$ of money for the wall, then have Mexico reimburse them later................................................

OK, when was the last time someone believed that and didn't lose their shirt, heheheheh

(Ya gonna lose your shirt, US taxpayers, lol. A wall may well be built, but it'll be your money paying for it.)

Don't forget a rule of doing business - don't front that kind of money unless ya have it in writing what's definitely gonna happen (at best, ya may still get some money back, but it won't be close to what ya fronted)

Have it in solid writing first

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Is he going to build a wall on the Pacific and Atlantic coasts too? People can rock up on the coast in boats and no-one can patrol the whole coast.

Trump is a madman... signing things that show that the man has no empathy except with those who voted him in. He's a fascist dictator in the making.

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Is he going to build a wall on the Pacific and Atlantic coasts too?

Yep, and he's going to make the fish pay for it.

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Donald Trump is making good on a campaign promise. Bravo. He is the greatest U.S. President in the 21st century. . . .

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He is the greatest U.S. President in the 21st century. . . .

Team-based politics. "Our coach is the best ever!" before the game has even started.

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So let's see... here in the UK the highest court in the land has said that the government can't just do what it wants without Parliament being consulted and allowed to debate and vote on it. Trump can just bypass US lawmakers and sign the most draconian actions for a long, long time. Are there to be no debates? No consultations? Is the President so powerful that he can basically sign off on whatever he wants to? Who is he accountable to?

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Unlike the previous eight years of the "most transparent administration "eva", President Trunp is demonstrating true openess. All his actions in the past six days have taken place in front of cameras for all us Americans to see. This is what true leadership looks like. . . . .

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Unlike the previous eight years of the "most transparent administration "eva", President Trunp is demonstrating true openess. All his actions in the past six days have taken place in front of cameras for all us Americans to see. This is what true leadership looks like. . .

True leadership? Being a demagogue is showing true leadership is it? Didn't your country vote to remove those 'elites' with all the power? Where is the democracy in signing off on a wall, a pipeline, removing poor people's access to medical care without your Senate having a say? Your new president is behaving exactly like those he thought to depose.

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@Thunderbird2

UK is constitutional monarchy. Queen is the head of state. However she is largely symbolic and PM and parliament have to debate for passing law. Queen still have to declare her tax return. PM needs the approval of parliament for waging war such as Falkland.

US Republic is more autocratic and corrupted. President, Congress and high court are sharing power in theory. Currently one party has dominated congress, senate and high court. Trump does not need to declare his tax. He can employ his son in law as advisor. Trump does not need to transfer his business under independent blind trust.

If Trump wants to build the wall, there will be rubber stamp in congress. Trump friends contractor will be rewarded with contracts. If Trump wants to press nuclear button, he is free to do without congress approval within four minutes. Queen and U.K. PM can not press the button like Trump even U.K. has nuclear missiles.

If Trump gets angry, threre will be end of the world.

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Cut some entitlement money to Lockheed-Martin for the F-35. That would free up billions !

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Finally, a leader! Go President Trump!

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Go President Trump!

That's what half of America are probably wishing right now. Go President Trump... Go far far away

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Oh so now the senate needs to have a say? No one on the Dem side was saying that when the senate said No and Obama just did what he wanted anyway by executive order.

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Same with ladders and ropes.

And puppies too.

Then when they send money home they will use Bitcoin and other ways to circumvent. Piece of cake.

Regulate it Which can also be done, problem solved.

Don't you think it might be worth trying these measures for a year or two before building a 30 billion wall that may or may not work?

I grew up half of my life in California and for years and years the politicians didn't care about a stronger border, so I think Trump should use every tool at his disposal to fortify, secure and stop as much of illegals coming in as he can.

I'm thinking in terms of punishing employers for using illegal labor (as Trump did), stopping or discouraging Mexicans sending money home etc.

That as well.

This wall is an almighty gamble for him, it's going to be a huge albatross around his neck.

I sure hope so!!!

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Now for a bit more accuracy.

Trump is building a wall based on a law, passed by bill Clinton 20 years ago of legislation to build the borderwall.

Trump said ban visas from countries compromised by Islamic terrorism, not arbitrary bans on Muslims. It is not our fault the only terrorist in the world are Muslim and hell bent on enslavement of women and genocide of most men.the ban is country specific, not religious.

Sanctuary cities is interesting because precedent is on both sides. It is true the supremes have ruked against the use of government power in one area, being used to influence unrelated law. However, it has happened, such as driving age. It is, also other places have a right to recuperate costs incurred by the illegal actions of another city.

Refugees, especially fake ones, terrorist pretending, do not have, a right to be taken to America or anywhere

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Regulate it

You cannot regulate bitcoin by the government. That is why it was created and that is how they wil send money down south.

Trump is building a wall based on a law, passed by bill Clinton 20 years ago

And ladders and ropes are based on technology from thousands of years ago.

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You cannot regulate bitcoin by the government. That is why it was created and that is how they wil send money down south.

First, NOT every Mexican is going to use bitcoin and even if it did, they could find a way to tax that as well, another way is that the DHS sends about $420 Billion on aid every year to Mexico, talks were that they can take the money for the wall out of that to pay for it, either way, the wall is going up and Mexico will pay in one form or another, but taking it from the DHS would be the quickest and more logical way to go about it.

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Bass - you show a fundamental non-understanding about how bitcoin works. It's entirely anonymous, and decentralized. There is no way to regulate it or to tax it. The decentralization prevents regulation and the anonymity prevents taxation. And I guarantee Mexicans will figure out how to use it fast enough.

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Bitcoin? Yeah then the guy running the exchange can steal all your money and claim he was hacked. Then all your money gone and nothing you can do. Didn't this just happen here?

So all this ropes and ladders nonsense. You do know there will be sensors and cameras and guards right? If it's so easy to go over a wall why did the Berlin Wall have to be torn down?

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It's entirely anonymous, and decentralized. There is no way to regulate it or to tax it. The decentralization prevents regulation and the anonymity prevents taxation. And I guarantee Mexicans will figure out how to use it fast enough.

And you honestly think the Feds didn't already take that into consideration? Come on now.....

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Bitcoin? Yeah then the guy running the exchange can steal all your money and claim he was hacked. Then all your money gone and nothing you can do.

Again, a fundamental misunderstanding of how bitcoin works. First, 'losing' wallets doesn't give the exchange any money - they would need the password for the lost wallets to do so. And that is only for those who use public wallets. There is zero necessity to do so though, it's just convenience. If people hold their own wallets, there is nothing to be stolen by the exchanges.

And you honestly think the Feds didn't already take that into consideration? Come on now.....

Take it into consideration when? You realize they didn't create it, right?

In fact, I'm sure the 'feds' know exactly how it works, which scares them. It's a decentralized network, which means the only way to take it down is to take down the internet as a whole. They can try to take down individual nodes, but new ones can be sprung up just as fast. And it's impossible to track who owns the money, as it's entirely anonymous. The only person who knows who owns a specific bitcoin is the holder of the coin.

This is why the powers that be are afraid of bitcoin. It allows the people to transfer money without the knowledge of the powers that be. And information is power - without that information they lose power.

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You do know there will be sensors and cameras and guards right? If it's so easy to go over a wall why did the Berlin Wall have to be torn down?

Are you suggesting the Trump Mexico Wall (or will it be the Trump Texas-New Mex-Arizono-Cali Wall?) will be manned with armed guards authorised to shoot anyone trying to go over, while they're still on the Mexico side? Americans shooting non-Americans in cold blood, on the soil of a sovereign nation? Or will they wait until they're over the wall, and shoot them on American soil?

If America has become a country where the Berlin Wall is looked back on with fond nostalgia and shooting people for the crime of trying to better themselves is a good solution to 'immigration', I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would want to go there.

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Cleo has officially decided to contribute all her available funds to cover the costs of illegals coming into the US. Thank you.

Berlin Wall and Mexico Wall comparison makes no sense.

They won`t get over the wall.

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https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/bitcoin-websites-blocked-venezuelan-government/

If Venezuela can stop it a third world nation, than the US is good to go.

This is why the powers that be are afraid of bitcoin. It allows the people to transfer money without the knowledge of the powers that be. And information is power - without that information they lose power.

As I said once before, when the government wants its money, it will do anything and come up with crafty and creative ways to get it.

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Cleo has officially decided to contribute all her available funds to cover the costs of illegals coming into the US.

Nah, I work on a 'Cleo first' basis. Sort out your own problems.

Berlin Wall and Mexico Wall comparison makes no sense.

That was my point.

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Trump said ban visas from countries compromised by Islamic terrorism ... the ban is country specific, not religious

But not Saudi Arabia. Wonder why not, Todd.

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Are you suggesting the Trump Mexico Wall (or will it be the Trump Texas-New Mex-Arizono-Cali Wall?) will be manned with armed guards authorised to shoot anyone trying to go over, while they're still on the Mexico side? Americans shooting non-Americans in cold blood, on the soil of a sovereign nation? Or will they wait until they're over the wall, and shoot them on American soil?>

No but it is definitely not going to be as easy as showing up with a ladder and rope or tunneling under it. I think a non lethal taser or something might be necessary for the first couple of people that try until the word gets out. If someone makes it over or under, non lethal incapacitation and removal back to their side would work Im sure.

Before the manufactured outrage comes my way for suggesting that, what do they do in Japan? If you show up at Narita and just break a door and run through or jump the immigration gate do they say oh well? or do they actually do something to you? I assume they restrain you and deport you rather than just watch you use a ladder or rope to avoid their immigration checkpoints.

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If Venezuela can stop it a third world nation, than the US is good to go.

Venezuela has not stopped it - they've blocked some of the nodes. As I've said, it's decentralized. All that's needed is a single accessible node, and people are connected to the network. Trying to shut down all the nodes is a whack-a-mole game. The server doesn't even need to change, they just purchase a new IP and/or domain name, pointing it at the same server, and it's up again.

You'll notice that article didn't say anywhere that it stopped Bitcoin, it just pointed out how they blocked access to some of the nodes.

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Venezuela has not stopped it

Mexico is more developed than Venezuela. You can't stop Bitcoin. They will all use bitcoin and the US government cannot collect.

You do know there will be sensors and cameras and guards right?

And who is going to pay for all 2000 miles of that?

it's just obvious that Trump hates Mexico. Remember, that Mexico is one of the biggest buyers of US products in the world. Trump follower hate Mexico for the same reason they hate Hillary. Because Donald Trump told them to.

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Venezuela has not stopped it - they've blocked some of the nodes.

Even so, the government can still come up with other innovative ways to get the money. we live in the 21st century. The government thinks of all these contingencies that the Mexicans could undertake to send the money, they will just come up with something to bypass that to get their money one way or another. And the way Trump is pushing this, it might all happen sooner than later.

As I've said, it's decentralized. All that's needed is a single accessible node, and people are connected to the network. Trying to shut down all the nodes is a whack-a-mole game.

Perhaps, but NOT every Mexican is going to use Bitcoin. Come on now.....

You'll notice that article didn't say anywhere that it stopped Bitcoin, it just pointed out how they blocked access to some of the nodes.

Every system has a loophole or a backdoor. Apple didn't want to open up one of their phones for the Feds in that Jihad attack in San Bernardino last year and a private company stepped forward and offered a way to get into the phone, job done. So I have no doubt they can do the same thing, I don't see bitcoin as a huge obstacle for the Feds.

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And who is going to pay for all 2000 miles of that?>

MEXICO! (sorry I couldnt resist). Some sensors and cameras might add another 10-20 million dollars to the project, and will be offset by the adding of jobs/production increases for companies that make or sell those.

Im just not sold on legal and especially illegal Mexicans dealing with Bitcoin just to avoid a 10% tax on their money being sent back to Mexico.

My bank in Japan wants to know MyNumber to report any money that I send back to USA to my own bank account. For now, its voluntary but Im sure they are setting it up to be taxed later. The Japanese govt seems to feel money made in Japan should stay in Japan, despite me having bills to pay in USA. I wont be using Bitcoin to try to avoid tax at that time, too risk and too much hassle, plus the fact that the government will surely not like me doing it and there may be consequences of that.

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The problem is according to Trump, all these millions of illegals are criminals and they have criminal networks that are shared with the drug ones. They will just use those to get money back home.

Some sensors

It's 2000 miles. Also, they have to be installed 50 feet on top of a solid concrete wall. How many cameras will that be? What is the range of each camera so they can constantely watch for Mexicans using ladders? Trump also wants to use guard dogs. How many dogs are needed along that 2,000 mile long fence?

despite me having bills to pay in USA

What bills are these specifically?

The Japanese govt seems to feel money made in Japan should stay in Japan

Why do you think so?

For now, its voluntary but Im sure they are setting it up to be taxed later.

Who told you this?

I think a non lethal taser

How does this work, exactly?

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It's 2000 miles. Also, they have to be installed 50 feet on top of a solid concrete wall. How many cameras will that be? What is the range of each camera so they can constantely watch for Mexicans using ladders? Trump also wants to use guard dogs. How many dogs are needed along that 2,000 mile long fence?

WE don't know, that's for the Feds and the border patrol to work out. Once the wall is built and if we have have 1000 streaming a day and it can cut it to about 50, I'm good.

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WE don't know

But you do know. I have heard so many technical specifcations from Trump people and now you don't know? Yes, you do know.

1000 streaming a day

One camera every two miles? Are you kidding? Just use a ladder between those and they won't be seen.

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Every system has a loophole or a backdoor. Apple didn't want to open up one of their phones for the Feds in that Jihad attack in San Bernardino last year and a private company stepped forward and offered a way to get into the phone, job done. So I have no doubt they can do the same thing, I don't see bitcoin as a huge obstacle for the Feds.

Bitcoin is out there in the open for anyone to hack right now. It has about $18 billion in it right now. There is plenty of motivation for hackers to try to hack it, and if you think that they aren't already, you're kidding yourself. And yet, it's not been hacked once. That's right, not even once.

Your theory doesn't apply logic. You're comparison to Apple is a false equivalency, as iOS has been hacked since the very first version, right up to the newest version (google jailbreaking).

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The wall will reduce drug related deaths and other crime. Some people either don't care about the innocent victims of crime or they are too pig-headed to accept it.

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@Cleo,

Kinda like America first???

@nishikat,

American companies provide over one million jobs in Mexico. Mexican companies provide about sixty thousand jobs in the US.

80% of Mexico`s trade goes to the US. I think we know who has the ball.

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80% of Mexico`s trade

Does Trump want 20% (or higher) tarrifs for products from every single country? Please be specific here. All the countries? I understand that Trump voters think that every place outside the USA is like one big third world trashville but does this accross-the-board 20% tarrif (again, this is a tax on Americans which will make everying more expensive) make real sense?

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Your theory doesn't apply logic. You're comparison to Apple is a false equivalency, as iOS has been hacked since the very first version, right up to the newest version (google jailbreaking).

No, sorry, you are now insinuating as if the US government is just somehow incompetent get money owed to us because of bitcoin, we flew space missions to the moon, built the most lethal stealth fighter in the world and for some reason, the Feds are absolutely powerless find an open loophole within the bitcoin system? No one believes that, honestly, no one! If they want that money, they'll get it one way or another, that's a promise.

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So Trump wants to apply a super high tarrif to the entire world? What does he want to do. Tarrif doesn't mean the countries pay, it means the US consumers pay. Please clarify.

US government is just somehow incompetent get money owed to us because of bitcoin

You are right, they are.

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So Trump wants to apply a super high tarrif to the entire world? What does he want to do. Tarrif doesn't mean the countries pay, it means the US consumers pay. Please clarify

Of course those countries pay. Nish, sorry. I know you don't like Trump, but it's happening and regardless what you think or say, Trump is cracking down on illegals inside the country, visa overstayers and I hope he goes as far as he can on this.

You are right, they are.

The left also idolized president Wilson, I'll take that with a grain of salt. LOL

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Of course those countries pay

What counties, specifically?

but it's happening

And so is the rope and ladder business. Time to buy some bitcoin. No, the government cannot crack bitcoin.

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all I know about Bitcoin was that a guy in Japan who ran the exchange (Mt Gox) claimed he was hacked and people lost 400 million dollars of their money. Whether he actually was hacked or stole it matters not to me, he was able to take other peoples money and that money is gone forever.

@nishikat As far as illegals using any criminal networks to smuggle the money back, thats illegal and Customs/Immigration can seize that money if they happen to find it. (Then use it to buy more cameras and dogs for the wall). Non lethal taser? You shock someone with a taser, pick them up off the ground, restrain them and transport them to where they supposed to be and release them.

You dont think banks are asking for MyNumber on international transfers so that they can someday tax money made in Japan and sent overseas? I do, why else would they ask for it? I send money back to pay my house mortgage there, if it matters. Any country would like money made in their country to be spent in their economy.

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And so is the rope and ladder business. Time to buy some bitcoin. No, the government cannot crack bitcoin.

Puppy shelters will be booming as well. Buy the bitcoin, a lot of PC geeks need jobs as well and when it doesn't work, we can get back to business in rounding up as many criminal illegals as possible.

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You dont think banks are asking for MyNumber on international transfers so that they can someday tax money made in Japan and sent overseas?

What is the point of that? Companies in Japan need to buy supplies from overseas companies. They don't get taxed when they send money.

You shock someone with a taser

How many people need to be waiting along the 2,000 mile wall waiting for ladder climbers (or tunnel diggers)?

all I know about Bitcoin was that a guy in Japan who ran the exchange (Mt Gox) claimed he was hacked

He was hacked, not bitcoin

restrain them and transport them to where they supposed to be and release them.

Sounds like sport fishing.

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How many people need to be waiting along the 2,000 mile wall waiting for ladder climbers (or tunnel diggers)?>

Thats the 5000 new Border Patrol agents and if more are needed they can hire more. Job creation!

He was hacked, not bitcoin>

Thats like saying I wasnt robbed, but the money in my wallet was.

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Thats the 5000 new Border Patrol agents and if more are needed they can hire more. Job creation!

What are they going to about the border that runs across people's private property (and there are many)? Would you like a solid 50 ft. wall running through your yard?

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Yes, that could happen to some land owners, unfortunately. Many countries have a law similar to eminent domain that the USA has. This has been done to build a road or an airport or even a hotel, so I am sure it can be done to build a wall for national security. Just pay the person the market rate for their land and throw in a little extra for the inconvenience.

If you build the wall as close as possible to the actual border, shouldnt need much land. Probably just the far edge where someone might own it but not actually living there. Will have to do a surveying project to see how much of an issue it is.

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What are they going to about the border that runs across people's private property (and there are many)? Would you like a solid 50 ft. wall running through your yard?

There are ways around that as well. Nishi, you should be excited to have a strong border. You are American, I assume, so why would you want an open border?

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Yes, that could happen to some land owners

No, many many.

Probably just the far edge

Probably? That doesn't sound so sure. What exactly are they going to do? There is no probably. Also, I would not want a bunch of government workers on my property. Also I would not want a 50th solid concrete wall blocking the view. I know that Trump and his supporters hate Mexico so much they wish it didn't exist and want to just block it out completely. But the wall is not workable. People will just use ladders, ropes, and shovels.

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all I know about Bitcoin was that a guy in Japan who ran the exchange (Mt Gox) claimed he was hacked and people lost 400 million dollars of their money.

That's the difference between a bank getting hacked, and someone figuring out how to counterfeit money. Different things altogether.

I understand people's resistance to the idea of bitcoin. People used to be skeptical of paper money when it came out at first as well, as it didn't inherently hold any value. So they preferred coins.

Give it 20-30 years, and I think bitcoin will be just as normal as any other currency system.

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Cleo you ask why would anyone want to come here? I am here now and unless you have to come for family or work...don't. There is no reason. There is always somewhere else to go. Those of you on the fence about coming here. Don't. Not even worth the hassle. They are trying to make resisting arrest a hate crime against cops in Louisiana.That is what kind of fascist state we are becoming. So don't come here and add to tax revenue for them. And this goes for all of you on this thread who are against this type of authoritarian control. If sCupporting this regime bothers you go elsewhere. If you do decide to come and can't stand this regime...try to go to the areas on the map called blue states or cities. Like NYC for example. A sanctuary city that fights the government on using their police to round up undocumented workers. Or San Francisco. Or if you want to help make a donation to Planned Parenthood.

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Back on topic please.

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Let me start with saying Go ahead build the wall, now my questions to all of numnuts against building the wall. Do you close the gate or lock the door whenever you go the bed or away from your home? It is a stupid question isn’t it? Of course you do, if you leave the garage door open or unlocked home you will be filing police report for theft . The wall is a lock, it prevent people from committing crime. Anyone wishing to enter US goes through proper channel called VISA. Do it legally

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numnuts against building the wall

"numnuts" know ladders and ropes exist. Also, for all the private property owners on the border and the sacred indian lands- this is why it could not be done in 2006. Some people know recent history.

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Hey, @MikeL, up your arse for calling Canadians northern Mexicans. One of my best friends is of Mexican descent, and he's now a Canadian citizen, so take your racist bigotry and put it where the sun doesn't shine. Rube!

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