Trump paints new target on legal immigration

Trump said. “Workers. We’re going to take care of our workers.”

Is he going to start by closing his various sweatshops around the world and moving them back to the US? If so, will he expect 'our workers' (whatever that means) to want to have his sweatshop jobs?

Here's an American town that's too late for even sweatshop jobs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYoag6SK4HM

“For Trump, it’s ‘I’m all against immigration, legal or otherwise, full stop’

Uhm, two of his three wives are foreign born.

Maybe if we enforce our borders, ensure every legalized foreigners have proper IDs we don't have to worry about illegals working in sweatshops.

Hes right. Cant come in illegally. If all the left wingers come into Japan legally, why their problem with legal immigration in the US?

“We will reform legal immigration to serve the best interests of America and its workers, the forgotten people,” Trump said. “Workers. We’re going to take care of our workers.”

From CNN.com: "Trump's Mar-a-Lago Club and Jupiter Golf Club have filed documents to bring in as many as 78 foreign workers for the next fiscal year. In total, records filed at the U.S. Department of Labor and reviewed by CNN reveal that in the last 15 years, Donald Trump's various businesses have been granted approval to import at least 1,256 foreign guest workers."

Seems like a good debate question.

Secure the borders and both countries win.

pointofviewSEP. 02, 2016 - 08:54AM JST

Hes right. Cant come in illegally.

Which is not really what the article is about. Did you read it properly?

If all the left wingers come into Japan legally, why their problem with legal immigration in the US?

It seems that Trump has a problem with legal immigration in the US. I have no idea at all why you're going on about left wingers in Japan. Do you?

bass4funkSEP. 02, 2016 - 08:47AM JST

...ensure every legalized foreigners have proper IDs...

It's this kind of thing that makes your comments very, very hard to take seriously.

I hope Trump treats all his foreign workers to some soft serve ice cream this Labor Day. He might have to privately promise his 'friends' that they will be exempt from the new immigration rules.

@Simon Foston,

Yes I did, Mentions illegal issue. He has a problem with all immigration that isnt regulated, legal or illegal. Left wingers living in Japan supporting criminal activity, something they wouldnt do in Japan. Sounds like Simon Foston wants an 'anything goes free for all world'.

@pov, can you give us an example of unregulated legal immigration?

bass4funk

Judging by your English, you were an immigrant to the USA. Why deny others the opportunity you had?

Moderator: Please do not be ill-mannered. It reflects badly on yourself.

This is small news; the big news for today is that Trump's thief Soviet Bloc wife appears to have been an escort when she met Trump. Very disappointing to know Trump is that quality, but not surprising

@Bass4funk: Liberals don't care about illegals working in sweatshops; its all about feeling good about seeking some perceived injustice for people in the US illegally. Notice there was not a peep out of liberals for the record-number (90) of homicides in Chicago in August. Black lives don't matter to liberals unless the black was shot by a cop...

It's this kind of thing that makes your comments very, very hard to take seriously.

You secure the borders, if that means building a wall and using the lasted high technology to prevent or drastically drop illegal entry into the country, deport anyone that does enter illegally and the ones that that have been legalized, make sure that they all have proper IDs that does give them the right to vote and proof must be shown when registering and as for the people that have been her for a long time, work on a proper way to give them legal status, provided they have not committed any major crimes that would disqualify their legal status.

A reality show about Trump's foreign help:

Episode 1. While the boss man jets around and flaps his gums to the MSM, everyone chlls at work and devises a drinking game where you down one shot when he says 'wall', two for 'extreme vetting' and so on. When running low on refreshments, everyone goes shopping with RNC embossed credit cards. In a surprise twist, Bannon gets barred from the liquor store when he asks the clerk to show some long form immigration papers and 5 years back taxes.

Heck, just vote for Hillary and open borders, assuming she's still running in Nov.

In any case, Trump is a "do as I say, not as I do" person. As long as he profits from it, its all ok. His immigration records (Trump model management, Trump resorts, etc.) speak for themselves.

As for everyone else? Well... could be out for a total stop to immigration eventually. First it'll be the "islamic nations" and "nations that pose a threat". Should he be elected (god forbid), who knows who will be next. It is clear as daylight he is catering to his vast majority white male base - of which the majority will feel threatened by more competition. He plays in on their weaknesses and fears quite well by using crime, drugs, etc.

I mean, why let the facts spoil the Republican party, right...? Here is an example from California.

http://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/jtf/JTF_ImmigrantsCrimeJTF.pdf

DAMN!

If Trump builds a wall, where am I going to get my illegal drugs from?

The funniest thing I ever heard, "We are a country of immigrants"....er... NO... A country of CITIZENS.

@Nadaku

I agree with you on the do as I say, not as I do. That is not the major reason I find him unsuitable for office, however I agree with you.

This article is about legal immigration. Relative to legal immigration; What I have trouble with is the H1B visas. We have companies now firing employees and then forcing them to train the replacements (often earning 1/3 to 1/4 of the wages of those they are replacing) in order to receive their severance. That is just plain immoral, however it is supported by both political parties. Disney, Southern California Edison, IBM and many other companies have done this. I personally know 2 people that were impacted by this and both have families. In one case it had a devastating impact on the family. I am not sure about the other. Have not heard from him since. These cases are very well documented but no one seems to really care.

On the other hand I believe the U.S. does in fact have a problem with illegal immigration that must be (but never will be) addressed. The U.S. has become a country of greed. The mainstream arm of the Republican party will do nothing about illegal immigration as well. The other issue are

I think there is nothing wrong with going through a process to obtain a proper visa to live and work in a country. If such a thing does not exist, then there is no sovereign country. I would never imagine coming to Japan without following the legal process to live and work in the country and I just expect the same when people enter the country of my citizenship.

The U.S. debt is now approaching 20 Trillion dollars. Our labor participation rate continues to decrease and wages have been falling. This is NOT President Obama's fault, nor is it the fault of Bush or any single administration. It is a trend that has been occurring in the United States (aside from transient events in the 80s and 90s) for a few decades.

I think the companies hiring those without proper authorization to work in the U.S. should be punished severely. I also think those that entered the U.S. illegally and are now in prison or in jail (there are quite a few) should be deported. Finally I think the process which allows companies to fire employees and replace them with cheaper imported labor should cease immediately. I would imagine that is something people that follow both political parties could at least agree upon (although the politicians appear not to agree with this).

Immigration is an issue (as it is for any country) and unfortunately the man that is speaking about it in the U.S. has really made an buffoon of himself. He is now trying to correct/backtrack to get elected but I do not think this will work (but who knows...). On the other hand the opposing candidate, Ms. Clinton, is also part of the elite and will not reverse this trend either.

In the end the U.S. populace continues to be severely divided, which allows the government to continue not to act in the best interests of the governed.

I wonder what the citizens (not the politicians) actually agree on related to this issue.....perhaps if we started from there (focusing on where those of both sides agree) and worked out with a real solution would emerge.

Perhaps the U.S. is in a "Fall of Rome" scenario and we have reached the "knee of the curve" or the point of no return.

Since when did breaking the law become legal?

Since when did breaking the law become legal?

When liberals proclaimed it to be legal.

We have companies now firing employees and then forcing them to train the replacements

That's business! Welcome to the free market!

What I have trouble with is the H1B visas.

I think there is nothing wrong with going through a process to obtain a proper visa to live and work in a country

Looks like a contradiction there. why do you have trouble with H1B visas if they are going through a process to obtain a proper visa to live and work in a country? H1B are proper visas.

I would never imagine coming to Japan without following the legal process to live and work

Yes, and H1B holders did this so why complain. Business!!

Perhaps the U.S. is in a "Fall of Rome" scenario

Just in the USA? Will Japan fall too? UK? EU? This is only an American disease?

"The upswing in immigration started in 1965 with the removal of racially based immigration quotas that favored immigration from European countries over the rest of the world."

When some future Edward Gibbon type writes "The Rise and Fall of the American Empire", that date and decision will be a major point.

For legal immigration not everyone can or should be accepted. In Japan even one of the documents to be submitted for "permanent residency" is a letter asking what you have done already and what you will do to benefit Japanese society by being allowed to stay here permanently. So I don't see any reason why the USA cant also pick and choose only those people who fit their needs and who will assimilate well into their culture.

@Nishikat

You are right. That is business. However do you think that is OK? It is a yes/no question. I do not. Talk to my friend who worked at Southern California Edison, had excellent performance reviews, and went through this. Yes - I have a problem with the way the H1B visas are being used.

Japan and EU - not sure but the article was about the U.S.

@Blacklabel - I have PR but I never had to submit this type of document - I know it exists for citizenship so if it now exists for PR something must have changed.

The USA invites as many students as possible to enroll in its post secondary system (community colleges and universities) then charges them outrageous "out of state fees" to go to school. The students receive the same instruction as resident students WITHOUT addition help. "Sink or swim" is the rule. When the students graduate, many are surprised to learn that their student visas have been terminated and they are sent home. These people, if allowed to stay in the USA, will find work at very high salaries and pay multiple amounts of income tax compared to others. Legal immigration and work for aliens is extremely important to the survival of the USA as well as Japan economy.

@jeffreydomer, how will a wall stop the production of illegal and legal drugs and the rampant abuse of all categories of drugs including alcohol that already goes on in America? Is it really that miraculous of a wall?

@Tokyo-Engr I dont know that it is mandatory but it was on the list of things that could be submitted to support your request.

I dont think that is a bad thing if you want to stay somewhere to at least show that you understand their culture and have a similar mindset for at least a majority of things. I dont take my shoes off at the door in my country but now that I have decided to live here in Japan I do, as a stupid example of what I'm talking about.

noriyosan73: The USA invites as many students as possible to enroll in its post secondary system (community colleges and universities) then charges them outrageous "out of state fees" to go to school.

How are they "outrageous"? The students are not paying the full cost of their education here.

University of California system's tuition fees are the same for out-of-state and foreign students. Only 48% of the 'unrestricted' UC budget used for core operations comes from student fees, the rest is paid by state taxpayers (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California_finances).

Out-of-state (and foreign) students pay triple the fees in-state students do, but are less likely to stay here and pay taxes, and their families including their extended families are much less likely to have lived here or continue living here and to pay the taxes that support their education.

They're not even paying for the buildings they study in, or not much; California spends billions of dollars on construction for campuses and much or most of that appears to come from bond issues paid by taxes.

And on top of that UC system is dropping admission standards for higher-paying out-of-state/foreign students and dropping admissions of in-state students!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California_finances

http://californiawatch.org/higher-ed/public-universities-plow-ahead-construction-despite-tight-budgets-15273

http://regents.universityofcalifornia.edu/regmeet/nov12/f1attach3.pdf : UC budget

http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_29699257/state-audit-uc-lowered-admission-standards-out-state

So much for the "conservatives only dislike illegal immigration" line of reasoning.

There's an undercurrent in the US right now that certain people (white, straight, Christian men) are the proper owners of the US and that everyone else has stolen their country from them. You listen to the rhetoric, and it's all about how "your country was taken from you", and the rhetoric got especially intense the moment a black man got elected president. It got so pointed that thousands of people were ready to believe based on not a single shred of evidence that this black man wasn't even an American in the first place.

Trump is just pitching the crowd what they want to hear. What he and they don't get is that the crowd no longer represents the majority.

pointofviewSEP. 02, 2016 - 09:40AM JST

Yes I did, Mentions illegal issue. He has a problem with all immigration that isnt regulated, legal or illegal.

Hrmm... you do know, don't you, that legal immigration is, by its very nature, regulated.

Have a think about it. Take your time.

SF: Hrmm... you do know, don't you, that legal immigration is, by its very nature, regulated.

Regulate, as in:

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/regulate

Four. To adjust (a mechanism) for accurate and proper functioning.

to regulate a watch, i.e. adjust its rate of running so that it will keep approximately standard time

to regulate the temperature of a room, the pressure of steam, the speed of a machine, etc.

Five. To put or maintain in order.

to regulate the disordered state of a nation or its finances to regulate one's eating habits

No more semantics please.

@Simon Foston,

You are being silly right? Legal immigration as in numbers being too high. As in no need for so many.

Looks like a contradiction there. why do you have trouble with H1B visas if they are going through a process to obtain a proper visa to live and work in a country? H1B are proper visas.

Thank God the Senate is finally coming to its senses.

http://indianexpress.com/article/world/world-news/h-1b-visa-reform-bill-introduced-in-us-senate-to-check-abuse-of-the-system/ The bill has been introduced by Senators Chuck Grassley, Chairman of Senate Judiciary Committee, and Dick Durbin, Assistant Democratic Leader. It is co-sponsored by Senators Bill Nelson, Richard Blumenthal, and Sherrod Brown. “The H-1B visa program was never meant to replace qualified American workers, but it was instead intended as a means to fill gaps in highly specialised areas of employment that cannot be filled by Americans,” Grassley said.

Thank God the Senate is finally coming to its senses.

Trumph and his daughter Ivnaka use the H-1B programs to fill jobs that could be filled by American's.

In Trumph's case, he uses these visas to hire immigrants at his golf courses in Florida. He says that the jobs cannot be filled locally, but the employment bureaus disagree. He is using these visas to pay these people less than market rate.

In Ivanka's case, she at least pays them market rates.

If Trump builds a wall, where am I going to get my illegal drugs from?

According to a former DEA agent, over the wall like what is happening now. The title of the linked article is: "'It doesn't matter how tall of a wall you put up': Trump's border-wall plan is still full of holes"

http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-wall-mexico-border-2016-9?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+businessinsider%2Fpolitics+%28Business+Insider+-+Politix%29

Maybe if we enforce our borders, ensure every legalized foreigners have proper IDs we don't have to worry about illegals working in sweatshops.

Great, we will just have Americans working in sweat shops and in the fields. Wait! No, that didn't work out to well in Georgia when they passed a state law that was harsh on illegals, and forced them out--farmers went bust! So they ended up getting rid of it.

If Trump builds a wall, where am I going to get my illegal drugs from?

If meth is your preferred drug, you're spoiled for choice in the USA. Many of your fellow citizens are using their high school science and good old fashioned entrepreneurial skills to serve you. Breaking bad all over, not just New Mexico.

http://money.cnn.com/interactive/news/meth-lab-map/

Does anyone know if Trump's released his tax records? It would be interesting to know how much he's invested in foreign states v. how much he's invested in the US.

Trump and his daughter Ivnaka use the H-1B programs to fill jobs that could be filled by American's.

Even if that WERE true, I'll bet he's not doing it now.

In Trumph's case, he uses these visas to hire immigrants at his golf courses in Florida. He says that the jobs cannot be filled locally, but the employment bureaus disagree. He is using these visas to pay these people less than market rate.

Is there any evidence of this? Probably not, The MSM hates him so much, if they could prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is widespread corruption on his part regarding hiring illegals, it would be all over the TV, the MSM would love nothing more than to have that kind of news fall into their laps.

According to a former DEA agent, over the wall like what is happening now. The title of the linked article is: "'It doesn't matter how tall of a wall you put up': Trump's border-wall plan is still full of holes"

With the surveillance technology we have nowadays in conjunction with building the wall, they can implement various techniques along more border increase their presence to give any illegals a second thought before even attempting to cross over illegally

With the surveillance technology we have nowadays in conjunction with building the wall, they can implement various techniques along more border increase their presence to give any illegals a second thought before even attempting to cross over illegally

So, we are going to technology our way to a solution?

In spite of popular belief, there isn't much in the way of technology improvements to counter illegal immigrants. Sure, there are NVGs, infared goggles, motion detectors, etc. but those have been around and used for a long time.

No, we will spend money on a useless wall to make people feel better. Then we will not fund the upkeep of the wall, and it will join the long list of roads and bridges needing repair.

The only real improvement to technology that may have an application to illegal immigrants is drones. Not the little hobby kit version but the hellfire missile carrying variety, predators, reapers, etc (although hopefully not armed).

In that case, you might as well forgo the wall and spend the money on drones and the pilots to fly them.

Though most economists believe immigration is a net benefit to the economy

Could be. But if so doesn't that mean that it is a net injury to the countries the immigrants come from?

And wouldn't that be just a continuation of Western nations abusing the rest of the world?

He is using these visas to pay these people less than market rate.

I doubt it is a financial issue. He is probably using foreign workers to attract business and create a more "exotic, larger-than-life" experience of the resort.

Lizz at Sep. 02, 2016 - 06:18PM JST I doubt it is a financial issue. He is probably using foreign workers to attract business and create a more "exotic, larger-than-life" experience of the resort.

Yes just like all those exotic goods he gets made in China.

Good god, modern day conservatism in the US is a faith based religion. Denial™, their god.

Great, we will just have Americans working in sweat shops and in the fields. Wait! No, that didn't work out to well in Georgia when they passed a state law that was harsh on illegals, and forced them out--farmers went bust! So they ended up getting rid of it.

Agriculture is a huge industry that I am sure will be well represented at the talks. Most Americans actually support some form of amnesty, but the bottom line remains you cannot base an entire industry around illegal practices.

bass: Even if that WERE true, I'll bet he's not doing it now.

It is true. And he is doing it now.

Is there any evidence of this? Probably not.

You seem a bit lost on this one. Why not research it? Learning that Trump loves foreign workers doesn't mean you have to dislike him. You don't even have to criticize him. But at least you will be able to add more to the discussion than "I don't know anything prove it."

You seem a bit lost on this one. Why not research it? Learning that Trump loves foreign workers doesn't mean you have to dislike him. You don't even have to criticize him. But at least you will be able to add more to the discussion than "I don't know anything prove it."L

That's odd. When I tell you to do some research on Hillary and her shaky foundation, you guys just don't want to deal with the facts that for the most part, this foundation is a scam, you blow it off, now Trump allegedly hires illegals to work in his factories and WE ALL have to accept it as fact because liberals say it is so? And if you put some article saying its a fact, we all have to believe it now? It's just too difficult for libs NOT to be partisan, I know. Lol

pointofviewSEP. 02, 2016 - 02:50PM JST @Simon Foston,

You are being silly right? Legal immigration as in numbers being too high. As in no need for so many.

You do know there are per-country quotas, don't you? Anyway. you don't think America needs more qualified, skilled, law abiding people who will contribute to its society by paying taxes and spending money on American goods and services? That sounds pretty silly to me.

now Trump allegedly hires illegals to work in his factories and WE ALL have to accept it as fact because liberals say it is so? And if you put some article saying its a fact, we all have to believe it now? It's just too difficult for libs NOT to be partisan, I know. Lol

Actually we were talking about Trump importing foreign workers to replace American workers at his American resorts. Don't worry, you don't have to accept it, but others might find it interesting.

This is interesting: "Giuliani: Trump will focus first on criminal illegal aliens" ( Fox News )

Yes Trump may have foreign born wives but they are here and came here the legal way. Americans now face 33 million illiterates who can't speak the language who have babies without thinking about cost impact which over crowds the schools,the hospital, the streets. They take over neighborhoods and the American who are left are forced out by gangs because they want to create a criminal empire within the so call sanctuary cities, so if you are not one of them they threatened you to leave or else. They don't have insurance they driv the streets recklessly they hit your car if they do stop they say no speak English and some just don't stop at all. The schools in their neighborhoods are crap so they drive miles and overcrowd upper middle income neighborhood schools when they are told they don't live in the school district they claim racism. These illegals get more benefits than poor Americans who have to show piles of paper work to get the same benefits that these illegal get who don't show any paper work at all. All they do is come across the border with their 5 children and say they are running from fear of gangs in their country and the entire family gets taken care of. Right today you can find many poor white and black American bums on th streets but No illegal Mexican bums because th government provide them with shelter. This is what Americans are tired of paying for. The democrats have been doing nothing th country is going to shit HiLIARy is on th take by foreign investors through her Clinton foundation which is laundering money for her family while the average American thinks she is for them. Of course she can say I'm for the working poor she is filthy rich so th little she pay in taxes means nothing but it's a lot to the average worker. These people will not go to her grand daughters school nor will they live in her neighborhood or go to the same hospital. These politicians now days are so out of touch. I rather give some one a chance who is talking about saving the country rather than giving it away!

Newt Gingrich says Trump may take 20-25% of the black vote which would mean a Trump landslide being as how it would be impossible for Hillary to win with less than 80% of the black vote. He must not know what he be talkin' about, lol

Lol indeed serrano. How's Newt's moon colony going? I think he left his brain up there....

Yes Trump may have foreign born wives but they are here and came here the legal way

What part of "“For Trump, it’s ‘I’m all against immigration, legal or otherwise, full stop’

You do, of course, hit on the real truth:

Trump and his followers are all in favor of white immigration. Especially white women as breeders for American men.

Talk to my friend who worked at Southern California Edison

What does electing Donald Trump have to do with this? But that's life! Better sell that BMW.

These illegals get more benefits than poor Americans

Illegals cannot get welfare.

According to a former DEA agent, over the wall like what is happening now. The title of the linked article is: "'It doesn't matter how tall of a wall you put up': Trump's border-wall plan is still full of holes"

Yes, and Home Depot will have a stock full of ladders for Trump's wall.

Now, given my policy, I'll just offer the following guess: more than three of our right wing friends have become, hmmmm, more honest in the past week about their true feelings for our Hispanic brothers and sisters.

They'll use illegal with dripping venom, apply it to all Hispanics - native born, American, documented or otherwise, and slur our brothers and sisters as criminals, ne're do-wells, uncivilized and loathsome. They will get that close to open-faced bigotry -- which, btw, was George Wallace's preferred sandwich after he discovered the Rueben was invented by a Lithuanian Jew.

[As a descendant of Lithuanian Jews, I just happen to know that]

Anyways, expect it to get even uglier. As the doom of impending defeat looms larger, as the "unskewing" of the polls becomes more and more obvious and pathetic, as the clang and din of right wing hate paranoia rings ever more shrill and clear, you will see the white supremacist teeth become bare: bald-faced bigotry will once again shine upon the hill!

Which, sad to say, is not a very good sandwich.

Black Sabbath: Now, given my policy, I'll just offer the following guess: more than three of our right wing friends have become, hmmmm, more honest in the past week about their true feelings for our Hispanic brothers and sisters.

The same kind of extrapolation that had FizzBit called a 'white nationalist' the other day ...

extrapolation

Good word. These hillarybots on here are just like tape recorders, they hear something on the MSM, record it, then loop what they hear. How anyone could call a person a racist, white nationalist, or any of their other extrapolations without meeting them is just childish.

"Hispanic brothers and sisters"? Yes, Hispanics have brothers and sisters. I have brothers and sisters, but they aren't Hispanic. My brothers, sisters and I have the same parents. We are bound by obligations and love. As a citizen, I have obligations and Hispanic citizens have obligations. That's what binds us. When I meet Hispanic servicemen they are Americans first, then whatever they want to call themselves. My experience is that they reciprocate. Enough of this "divide and conquer" crap from politicians - mostly "progressive" Democrats.

How anyone could call a person a racist, white nationalist,

I never met David Duke. How can I call him a racist and white supremacist?

By the words he uses to describe the beliefs he says he holds.

Granted, Trump may not be a racist. But he plays one on TV.

@nishi "ad hominem" kat - Actually he drove an F150. My issue is the H1B visa is being used by employers (typically the 1%) to replace workers so the directors (walking away with million dollar bonuses) can make more cash.....people like you seem to take some sick sense of joy in this.

Actually we were talking about Trump importing foreign workers to replace American workers at his American resorts. Don't worry, you don't have to accept it, but others might find it interesting.

Ahhh...Just like with Hillary, most people believe her foundation is a scam and should be closed down immediately, even if liberals don't believe it.

Yes, and Home Depot will have a stock full of ladders for Trump's wall.

With sensor detection systems built in underground and patrols above, you can stop that as well.

This is interesting. Criticism of Hillary usually results in pointing out how either what she has done isn't actually wrong, or that what is being claimed never happened in the way it was described in the first place. In other words, the criticisms of Hillary are met with rebuttals against the claims, based on the merits of those claims.

However, criticism of Trump is almost always met with 'but Clinton is worse' or 'but Clinton did this' or 'but Democrats do that'. Rebuttals are never met with refutations of the claims based on the merits of those claims, they are almost always based on redirecting to some supposed transgression that Clinton did. Which.... loop back to the first paragraph.

Black lives don't matter to liberals unless the black was shot by a cop...

Very true. Unfortunately black Americans have also convinced themselves that looking for scapegoats is easier than admitting the hard truths about black culture and moral decline. Democrats have always been the party of racial discrimination. I cannot think of any time in American history when Democrats did not support laws that were overtly racist. They just switched those they targeted after Democrats finally came to their senses and changed course to join Republicans in the 1960's. Now it is affirmative action but before that it was Jim Crow and chattel slavery. These government policies are not the same in degree but what they share is the same use of race to divide Americans for the purposes of achieving political power.

In the 1960's Democrats realized that changing the cultural composition of America by increasing immigration from poor, Socialist, and anti-American countries would over time change America into a nation with these values - which they mindlessly prefer. Like Europe, American Liberals eschewed assimilation for multiculturalism. The results are predictable. The UK has had a massive and ongoing scandal of child sex exploitation in Rotterdam. And the New Years Eve sexual assaults in Germany were predictable if Merkel bothered to learn about the values of those she allowed into her nation.

It makes sense to back off from the historically high immigration rates in America today for nothing else than social stability. It makes perfect sense to ensure that those who bother to enter the country legally to be accepting of American values. There are huge numbers of immigrants in Europe that do not. America should not go down the same path to social instability and violence.

Unfortunately black Americans have also convinced themselves that looking for scapegoats is easier than admitting the hard truths about black culture and moral decline.

I'd say the same about the Republican party. They'd rather scapegoat black people than admitting the hard truth that their party's culture and "morals" are responsible for the black populace for the most part entirely rejecting the party.

Patronizing statements by the last two posters (other than me) are clear examples of this.

They'd rather scapegoat black people than admitting the hard truth that their party's culture and "morals" are responsible for the black populace for the most part entirely rejecting the party.

Most Republicans - not all - prefer to treat people as individuals and not pit people against one another based on racial grievances and animosities. The black populace is in lockstep support of the Democrat party, are concentrated in cities dominated by the Democrats, support race centric government policies but remain frustrated by the state of their people. That's no one's fault but those that share the Democrat party's policies.

Yep, because it couldn't be Republican policies that have resulted in 90+% of the black population voting Democrat, right?

Yep, because it couldn't be Republican policies that have resulted in 90+% of the black population voting Democrat, right?

Perhaps promising black Americans racism in their favor for a change has caused them to vote against their true self interests. Whatever the psychology or motivation, 50 years of voting Democrat has demonstrably failed has it not?

Whatever the psychology or motivation, 50 years of voting Democrat has demonstrably failed has it not?

Um, you obviously are entirely clueless as to what life was like for black people 50 years ago. If you don't think things have improved significantly since then, you're kidding yourself.

And seeing as the demorats have not been in power for 50 years, if there are still problems for the black community, it's not like the Republicans can wash their hands of this. They have been in the position of setting policy for a good number of those years.

Trump talked about limiting immigration to its historic norms.

Limiting US immigration to historic norms would actually affect Asians more than other groups. There has been proportionally more Asian immigration in recent times.