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© Thomson Reuters 2025.Trump plan to end Ukraine war must prevent new Russian aggression, Zelenskyy says
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TaiwanIsNotChina
This is absolutely correct and why there needs to be a NATO security gaurantee with forces on the ground. Basically Article 5.
TaiwanIsNotChina
Putin is not coming to the negotiating table and only weapons can bring him there.
Underworld
Yup. You can see now that Putin is trying to lay the groundwork for breaking any peace agreement by questioning the legitimacy of Zelenskyy.
That's why security guarantees are imperative. If Putin invades again, the full force of NATO is there to stop him.
JJE
Look at the funny photo: that unfortunate bundle of documents indicate "Plan of Victory" printed upon the side, in small font but being flashed. Well, at least the caption says it.
Oh, and that map of "strategic resources and objects" on the table. Anyone can look up an accurate version - more than half, including all the valuable ones, are under new management and not under the control of certain groups previously sold out to.
More telling is the cover over the glass of water.
JJE
At least most quarters agree on one thing that a frozen conflict will not suffice. Moscow has made this precise point abundantly clear multiple times, which means no ceasefire or Minsk-style nonsense. The whole thing will be settled on decent terms: strict neutrality, demilitarization, an Australian-style ban on certain salutes, flags and badges but not decent languages/cultures, inclusive of a wider agreement on security architecture that reverses NATO aggression in the region and beyond. Will be other caveats as things proceed but start with Istanbul and the proposal announced just before the Swiss junket as a benchmark. Then widen it from it from there and now one is getting to it.
Underworld
JJE
I agree.
But getting Putin to agree to strict neutrality and demilitarization may be difficult.
Fos
As we all know the main responsible for this full scale disaster is the big US industrial military complex, the same one that President Dwight Eisenhower warned against in 1961.
Putin made clear that he cannot negotiate with Zelenskyy, who is as a fact a dictator since he cancelled the election due last May 2024. Majority of Ukrainians want peace negotiations to start, but the White House is not done and pressures the Kyiv regime to send its 18 year old kids to the frontlines.
The common knowledge is that the great illusion of victory over Russia has dragged Kyiv and Europe into the abyss. Sanctions and military aid have not worked. Putin, whether you like or not, has time on his side and is waiting for Trump. The curtain is about to close on hundred thousands of deaths which could have been prevented with negotiations from the start.
And the American warlords in Wall Street are counting their money by the pool in Florida.
Underworld
Fos
No. It's Putin's imperialist invasion.
Elections are against the constitution during wartime. Putin is the dictator here.
So you are against Trump now?
Au contraire, they have.
Not with the Russian economy as it is.
No, indication of that yet. Trump seems to be having trouble getting Putin to the table.
If Putin hadn't foolishly invaded. Putin thought it would be over in a week.
TokyoLiving
Again, tooooo much Rambo movies..
LOL
Fos
How convenient for the US industrial military complex and for the Zelenskyy clan :)
A reminder that the presidential elections in America were held on November 7, 1944, during World War II, which ended the following year. So Thea is not excuse, he is not a legal government.
Trump unfortunately does not have any power against the military apparatus, same as President Dwight Eisenhower warned against in 1961.
The truth is Ukrainians continue to suffer the consequences of this massacre. And the conflict is a dangerous, unwinnable proxy war undertaken by Washington against Russia. Praising the big US industrial military complex will make things worse.
lincolnman
Trump's plan to end the war is for Ukraine to fully surrender, all the Ukrainians leave the country, and Donald and Vlad launch their new venture - the Potemkin Village Resort and Casino...
Underworld
Fos
Elections are against the constitution during wartime
Nothing to do with the MIC.
We are talking about Ukraine and their constitution, not the US.
Which is irrelevant.
And so does all of Russia. 46% of Russia's refineries have been damaged by Ukraine.
It's not a proxy war.
Incorrect. Undertaken by Russia against Ukraine.
Primusinter
The whole article is based on Zelensky's statements in another daily interview (I wonder who would want to give him a microphone today?). Meanwhile, various media outlets are spreading interpretations of Trump's statements at some kind of press conference, probably in the White House. Donald Trump said he had spoken to Vladimir Putin, and he also revealed details of the peace plan for Ukraine.
Donald Trump told reporters that he allegedly spoke to Vladimir Putin. The same time, there was no official information from the Kremlin about this conversation. Trump himself has not yet disclosed the details of the conversation, but, according to him, it was about Ukraine — he turned to the US national security adviser and said that it was time to start talks.
As for the peace plan, according to the US president, Washington is ready to provide Kiev with security guarantees in exchange for access to rare earth minerals and gas, for which Ukraine will receive $500 million. The amount itself is ridiculous, considering that the resources of Ukraine are much richer. However, apparently Zelensky is ready for this option, too — more, given the successes of the Russian Armed Forces on the battlefield and continuing advance of the Russian army, he has nothing much to count on.
Zaphod
It is irrelevant what Zelensky says. The only acceptable he could say is "I will hold elections".
Zaphod
Underworld
Incorrect. Without irresponsible Nato expansion, the disastrous Bucharest declaration, the Maidan coup, and the massing of Nato supported troups at the Dombass none of this would have happened. An endless number of senior diplomats have explained this. You really might want to look outside the legacy media bubble with their Victoria Nuland narrative.
Underworld
Zaphod
Zelenskyy says
That's not going to happen.
I'veSeenFootage
Wait, I thought the real reason was because Ukraine was full of dangerous nazis?
Russian diplomats really do say the dardenst things, don't they?
Oh yes, Russian backed websites and podcasters are a much better source than "legacy media", of course!
Underworld
Zaphod
Incorrect. Undertaken by Russia against Ukraine.
There was nothing wrong with NATO expansion with an aggressive Russia in the region. In hindsight, it was a great idea.
There was no coup:
An investigation by The New York Times into the final hours of Mr. Yanukovych’s rule — based on interviews with prominent players, including former commanders of the Berkut riot police and other security units, telephone records and other documents — shows that the president was not so much overthrown as cast adrift by his own allies, and that Western officials were just as surprised by the meltdown as anyone else.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/04/world/europe/ukraine-leader-was-defeated-even-before-he-was-ousted.html?referrer&_r=3
There were no NATO troops, there were "little green men": Russian troops.
No they haven't. Try reading more.
You really might want to look outside the social media bubble with their Kremlin narrative.
TaiwanIsNotChina
The war was not started 60 years ago so Still Putin's War.
TaiwanIsNotChina
Wars between countries not NATO can only have been started if there is a disgusting war of aggression going on.
There's NATO "supported" troops everywhere. Doesn't give anyone the right to invade.
You might want to stop getting your news from pill websites.
TaiwanIsNotChina
They should ban St. George's ribbons and goosestepping like in Moscow, this is true.
BurgerBaba
The Ukrainian president said Putin did not want to end the war"
Yes, he does.
there needs to be a NATO security gaurantee with forces on the ground. Basically Article 5."
There will be no NATO in Ukraine. Thats is clear to anyone except NATO propagandists.
Putin is not coming to the negotiating table and only weapons can bring him there."
Wrong, clearly.
Fos
Zaphold explained extremely well: without Nato expansion (the greed of Washington warlords) none of this would have happened.
Zelensky in an unelected official who is doing what the big US military industrial complex tells him to say, while the big chiefs are counting the profits in Wall Street. Let’s remember once again the SIPRI Top 100 arms-producing and military services companies in the world, all American:
Lockheed Martin (USA)
Raytheon Technologies (USA)
Northrop Grumman (USA)
Boeing (USA)
General Dynamics (USA)
JJE
Been looking at that bizarre map sprawled on the table, bottom left box is titled "Legend for raw materials areas".
Overall accuracy is one of conjecture.
Bottom line is 70% of the gross sum is in Russian controlled territory. Most of the rest is really not that far off either with a far portion east of the Dnieper:
https://x.com/clashreport/status/1886711181567517097
Underworld
BurgerBaba
The Ukrainian president said Putin did not want to end the war"
I think I'll take Zelenskyy's opinion over yours.
there needs to be a NATO security gaurantee with forces on the ground. Basically Article 5.
If not NATO, equivalent NATO Article 5 security guarantees.
Putin is not coming to the negotiating table and only weapons can bring him there."
Is Putin at the negotiating table? Wright, clearly.
Underworld
Fos
NATO didn't expand due to the West. It expanded because small former Soviet countries (like Estonia) wanted to be part of an alliance to protect against an increasingly belligerent Russia.
This war has nothing to do with NATO. I've explained this to you before. It's about Putin's imperialism.
What evidence do you have for this?
Primusinter
Tg channel Rybar
"Why is the thesis about the huge reserves of resources that the so–called Ukraine will use to pay off the United States just populism? The fact is that the existence of colossal deposits has not been confirmed. No one knows how many of them are concentrated in the Ukrainian bowels. This is indicated by at least an inadequate range in estimates – from 3 to 11 trillion dollars. At the same time, a significant part of the deposits is located in the territories liberated by Russia. These are the official data of the Ukrainian statistics. The Kiev regime cannot sell these resources. The extraction of a significant part of the deposits is unprofitable due to the difficulty of extraction and the existence of more numerous developed deposits around the world."
Primusinter
Despite the extensive geological exploration data, Ukraine has never conducted serious high-profile development of existing resources. Except, perhaps, coal, salt, iron ore. And the Russian authorities have no intention yet to start these works on the liberated territories. So, the bowels of Ukraine are unopened riches. And America's hopes of getting them are groundless.
The first and main task is to rebuild destroyed settlements, towns and infrastructure. I have not read anywhere that such tasks were set by the "friends" of Ukraine as an aid. All your help is weapon, weapon...
TaiwanIsNotChina
At least you've got the bullheadedness of our MAGAs down.
BurgerBaba
"I think I'll take Zelenskyy's opinion over yours."
Putin said he wants to negotiate to end the war. I think Putin knows better than Zelensky what Putin wants.
"Is Putin at the negotiating table? Wright, clearly"
Putin will come to the table, same as Zelensky will , Trump admin and Moscow have already discussed peace talks. It is progressing at a good speed ever since warmongering Biden admin was tossed out by the US voter.
TaiwanIsNotChina
And the next 5 are all Chinese.
BurgerBaba
Yes, it did.
This war has nothing to do with NATO."
Everything to do with NATO expansion east.
I've explained this to you before. It's about Putin's imperialism."
Nope,it isn't. That is just NATO neocon talking point.
Underworld
BurgerBaba
"I think I'll take Zelenskyy's opinion over yours."
Didn't Putin say he wouldn't invade Ukraine? I think we take what Putin says with a grain of salt.
"Is Putin at the negotiating table? Wright, clearly"
How do you know?
Putin still not at the table.
Fos
He said himself! In a speech to a US corporate lobby group, Zelensky thanked Black Rock, JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, Elon Musk's Starlink, promising: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYkQO5fOXH8
“Everyone can become a big business by” buying up Ukrainian assets
It seems like we are talking to AI here: US military dispatches thrown away without much logic, to defend the economic interests of the US administration and the warlords in Washington
TaiwanIsNotChina
Just two more weeks, right?
Underworld
BurgerBaba
Zaphold explained extremely well: without Nato expansion (the greed of Washington warlords)...NATO didn't expand due to the West."
No, it didn't.
This war has nothing to do with NATO."
Care to provide evidence?
I've explained this to you before. It's about Putin's imperialism."
Neocons don't talk about Russian imperialism.
Underworld
Fos
What evidence do you have for this?
What?
JJE
Moscow has indicated an intolerance to a NATO presence anywhere there. Also means no numbered articles.
Neutrality will be a key issue (as per constitution).
It would be exactly like, wait for it, 1991-early 14.
Underworld
JJE
And yet they are fine with Finland being part of NATO. Go figure.
Ukraine will be heavily armed and neutral.