Trump pleads not guilty in federal documents case

Trump told supporters that the United States was "rigged," "corrupt" and "in decline."

Of course. He’s 100% pure narcissism.

Supporters chanted "We love Trump"

Morons.

Vivek Ramaswamy, one of those candidates, said outside the Miami courthouse that he would pardon Trump if he were elected.

Brown noser angling for VP pick.

Losers supporting losers.

The news: Former president Trump was arrested and arraigned for violations of the espionage act.

Trump cultists: This is great news!!! For Trump!!!!

During a stop at Versailles, a Cuban restaurant, after the hearing, Trump told supporters that the United States was "rigged," "corrupt" and "in decline."

He is not wrong about that.

And from his days in New York over-priced real estate, his over-leveraged businesses and bankruptcies, his tax-dodging, stiffing contractors and workers in his businesses, his anti-Obama "birtherism" to his presidential administration he has contributed greatly to the downward path of the United States.

MAGA will go down in history like numerous other regressive movements in American history.

Of course. He’s 100% pure narcissism. 

Given the 7 year non-stop failed and constant political barrage by the left I would think so.

Morons. 

That’s ok, we feel the same about swamp.

Brown noser angling for VP pick.

Because he calls this Schiff-show for what it is??? Well, fine then. And speaking of excrements, seems like Newsom is becoming one himself. He feels bad for Trump, well…looks like the Red Sea parted.

Most of Trump's Republican rivals for the nomination have lined up behind him and accused the FBI of political bias, in a sharp turn from the party's traditional support for law enforcement.

How can the GOP serious try to be the party of law and order, when they won't even support the FBI? To suggest that the FBI has political bias is pure nonsense.

To prove it, are any of the 37 charges brought against Trump made up, or are the based on truth? If you think the former, then you are deluded.

--Of course. He’s 100% pure narcissism. 

Given the 7 year non-stop failed and constant political barrage by the left I would think so.

Trump has been a narcissist his entire life. The "left" have nothing to do with it.

Were any Democratic president, ex-president, or candidate charged with even a tenth of what Trump has been, I would never support them. I suspect my fellow "libs" would agree. I also suspect that were any other Republican candidate in the same situation, "conservatives" would also jump ship.

So why does Trump retain his base? Because it's a cult. Pure and simple.

BTW, bass, do you still stand by your advocacy of violence against Jack Smith, the DOJ, and the "left" ( a la Kari Lake) that you posted yesterday?

The case is open and shut on the law, the facts and the testimony.

He has no operative defense. So he has 3 bad options:

1) He can hope for favorable rulings by Canon. This is probably his best option but it’s not a good one. She has already been shown the back of the 11th Circuit’s hand not once but twice.

If Jack Smith asks for a change of judge, he has an argument but I don’t think that’s a sure thing and he can only go there once. Better to keep his powder dry.

2) He can hope for a delay and pray that he wins the election. He’s not going to win. It’s that simple. The overwhelming majority of the electorate thinks he is a criminal, that he’s an insurrectionist who instigated a failed coup, and that he is a national security risk. Joe Biden is going to hand him his liver on a plate.

3) Jury nullification. There is no universe in which 12 jurors if his peers look at the evidence and say “He didn’t do it.” But there is a non-zero chance that a single juror will say “I don’t care about the law. I don’t care about the facts. I’m not going to vote to convict.”

In that case, retry him.

But more than that, this case comes down to jury selection. If the United States gets 12 jurors willing to look at the facts and the evidence, he will be convicted, hands down.

Btw, where’s Melanie? One would think that a loving wife would be by her man’s side?

Because he calls this Schiff-show for what it is???

Nobody is above the law. You said so yourself yesterday.

A significant number of Republicans claimed Nixon was innocent even after he resigned. Same will happen here.

Every notorious leader in history had supporters that refused to accept their situation; brainwashed, brown nosing or just plain dumb.

How many US Intelligence assets and efforts are now compromised because we now have to treat every recovered file as if Trump shared their contents with MBS, Putin, Mar-a-Lago trespassers, Kid Rock, etc.?

The potential damage to the US is incalculable. What a mess.

And where were the vaunted hoard of supporters? Miami was prepping for 5-50k.

They were in the low hundreds.

Low energy. Weak. Just like Stupid Voldemort the court room. So low his fluffers had to take him to a pre-arranged rhetorical rub and tug at a Cuban café afterwards.

Trump is lucky of America's "two-tier justice system'. Had I or you committed the same crimes we'd have had our door booted down in a dawn raid and we wouldn't be walking into court in a suit.

Well, because 47% of the nation see it as a political motivated witch hunt, after 7 years non-stop, sorry, you’re not convincing half the nation otherwise. 

Oh boy, this again. Ok then. If you insist.

47% is not half.

Bottom line; which number is bigger, 47 or 53?

And where were the vaunted hoard of supporters? Miami was prepping for 5-50k. 

Scattered, and hey, why go there and you’re not even going to see him, the guy goes for his arraignment and then leaves, it’s easier to watch it on TV or your tablet, smartphone

They were in the low hundreds.

79 million can’t get there

Low energy. Weak.

And that’s why he went to get some chow and bought food for the folks, he definitely got his color back after he grubbed, cocked, locked and ready to rock!

So low his fluffers had to take him to a pre-arranged rhetorical rub and tug at a Cuban café afterwards.

Not sure what that mumble meant, but that he’s rising in the polls, this helps him immensely.

And that’s why he went to get some chow and bought food for the folks, he definitely got his color back after he grubbed, cocked, locked and ready to rock!

So low his fluffers had to take him to a pre-arranged rhetorical rub and tug at a Cuban café afterwards.

Not sure what that mumble meant, but that he’s rising in the polls, this helps him immensely.

As long as we are being literary critics here.

The initially quoted element is a cringe-worthy cliche conglomeration of hack work.

The response has some engaging metaphorical turns of phrase in this context.

The final retort is someone who has hit empty on his/her rhetorical assets.

The left have absolutely everything to do with elevating his narcissism.

The left as co-dependent partners in Trump's narcissism? If you redefine "the left" to the "mainstream neo-liberal center-right" you may have a point.

My concern is that this trial and the charges seem optimized to facilitate further radicalization of MAGA and right-ward drift and most importantly, will not impair Trump's abilities to run in 2024 and use his influence to effect election results, especially at the state and local level.

Not sure what that mumble meant, but that he’s rising in the polls, this helps him immensely.

Yeah, not so much. The percentages please!

GQP respondents who said the charges were serious: Pre-indictment 21%. Post-indictment 38%.

Percentage of the general electorate who think that a conviction would be disqualifying: 57%

Trump approval overall: Pre-indictment 29%. Post-indictment 25%.

Percentage of the public agreeing that keeping nuclear secrets represents a national security risk 80%.

To all but his most simpish rubes, Trump is a detestable, criminal, sociopathic scumbag who should be in prison and nowhere near any elected office.

Kurumazaka - what nasty stuff would that be? And why would decent folk find it distasteful?

Much like his simp sycophants in Congress, his rubes cannot argue the law or the facts, so it’s (I “borrowed” this from “The Bullwark”) “a World Series of whataboutism”, self-pity and BS.

BS. I don't recall Biden ever declaring himself the greatest president in history,

He bragged about getting the prosecutor fired in Ukraine that was investigating his son and remember, a black persons not black if they don’t vote for him and we won’t even go into his scorched earth policies that devastated an entire community when he was in Congress.

or claiming that he could stop the war in Ukraine in 24 hours.

Well, he was the first Moden President that didn’t take us into a new war, so I think so.

Trump is a narcissist beyond compare, and you know it.

No different than Hillary or Biden.

Oh? I suppose so if you mean that if they don't let the little man child steal an election he's gonna throw a temper tantrum.

Seems like the DOJ and FBI will, Comey sure does.

Big old dodge again.

NEVER

And a baseless one at that. Why not try disputing the facts of the indictment, which I'm sure you haven't even glanced at.

I do every single day and you just dismiss them, so…look, I’m doing my part, you ask, more than happy to deliver, can’t do more than that.

What do you want to call it? Go on. Don't couch your words.

I’m looking through the Thesaurus hold on!

Because they're deluded. It's a cult. Face it.

And wear it with a badge of honor, remember: sticks and stones…

And a dangerous one that advocates violence against Jack Smith,

Ok, and you think violence against Trump is ok? See, statements like that are the exact reason why people don’t take the left seriously.

A couple of hundred Trump supporters outside the Federal Court building and nothing like the expected 50,000. First president charged with a Federal crime.

Much like his simp sycophants in Congress, his rubes cannot argue the law or the facts,

Seems like they have been doing a good job, sad can’t say the same thing about the liberal MSM in doing their jobs, but again, this is why people don’t take the left seriously.

whataboutism”, self-pity and BS.*

“Is code for: yeah, you got me and I have no retort.”

“I’m making sure [Trump], under legitimate efforts of our Constitution, does not become the next President again.” 

- Joe Biden, 11/9/22

Back in my day we would call that election interference.

Trump faces charges that include violations of the Espionage Act, which criminalizes unauthorized possession of defense information, and conspiracy to obstruct justice, which carries a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison.

That is the maximum sentence he faces, as he would serve any sentences concurrently if convicted.

.

Why should any criminal serve "Sentences Concurrently"

If you do several crimes you should serve all of the sentences one after the other.

Because they're deluded. It's a cult. Face it.

And wear it with a badge of honor,

Well, that's a refreshingly frank admission - though not one surprising to rational people...

Now that they've admitted MAGA-world is a radical, crazed cult, perhaps they can seek de-programming...

Or stay with the cult and end up like they all do....

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/17/an-apocalyptic-cult-900-dead-remembering-the-jonestown-massacre-40-years-on

back in my day I’d call Jan 6 election interference

Different issue, J6 was bad, we know, but what about a sitting Presidents comments? Very disturbing wouldn’t you agree?

No, its code for "you don't know the law, the facts, or the politics. You have not one clue as to what you are talking about."

That's the retort.

Diatribe, so what do you think about a sitting President making such an outrageous claim and engaging in election interference? Now imagine if Trump were a sitting and said that, it would be a political scandal, would it not?

so what do you think about a sitting President making such an outrageous claim and engaging in election interference? 

I think Twitter and Facebook posts are not a reliable source of information. Context is important.

https://www.factcheck.org/2023/04/bidens-2022-remarks-not-related-to-trump-indictment-contrary-to-online-posts/

“I’m making sure [Trump], under legitimate efforts of our Constitution, does not become the next President again.”

Joe Biden, 11/9/22

Not election interference.

The Trump lead riot on Jan 6 was against the Constitution.

Are you planning on answering the question or commenting on the story?

Snap, I was reading other articles, in particular ones from the country we live in. I totally recommend it instead of jumping straight to the comments on the latest Trump article.

Trump speaks at his Bedminster Club. Full upfront BS and fakes after fakes.

Trump failed to return the documents when requested.

Snap, I was reading other articles, in particular ones from the country we live in. I totally recommend it instead of jumping straight to the comments on the latest Trump article.

I’ll post where and when I please. If you don’t like it too bad sunshine.

Are you planning on answering the question or commenting on the story?

I think Twitter and Facebook posts are not a reliable source of information. Context is important.

Quotes and comments are though, always.

Joe Biden, 11/9/22

Not election interference

Yes, without a doubt. Instead, why not let the voter decide, at least in the US that is how it was always done in the past, the voter decides, not a sitting President. Don’t give me that? You know full well if the roles were opposite and Trump uttered that sentence, the media would have a complete nuke meltdown.

Our MAGA-friends have cited Fox's Jonathan Turley here numerous times - they've stated clearly he is the legal expert that they rely on for open, honest, and accurate law-related analysis...

*Speaking about the images from Mar-a-Lago of the boxes of documents found in a ballroom and a bathroom, in addition to other less-than-ideal places, Mr Turley said, “It's really breathtaking. *Obviously, this is mishandling. Putting the classified documents into ballrooms and bathrooms borders on the bizarre. And these are the types of pictures that hit you below the waterline in a trial.

*“It's hard to show a picture of these boxes surrounding a toilet and saying ‘we really acted responsibly,’” he added, going on to note that *“the government is bringing dozens of counts – they only have to land one of those punches”.

“Keep in mind that every one of these counts is coming with a substantial potential sentence,” Mr Turley said.

“It is an extremely damning indictment”.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/fox-news-jonathan-turley-trump-indictment-b2355679.html

So I'm sure they agree with him in this latest assessment of Trump's legal jeopardy...right?

Quotes and comments are though, always.

Within context yes.

But sure, the quote you think is a smoking gun. Let’s look at it again.

“I’m making sure [Trump], under legitimate efforts of our Constitution, does not become the next President again.”

The part is bold is especially significant. I was under the impression you were a fan of the constitution, despite your knowledge of it being a little wonky.

Trump faces charges that include violations of the Espionage Act, which criminalizes unauthorized possession of defense information, and conspiracy to obstruct justice, which carries a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison.

Trump is and has been a criminal, from early on in his career and should have been in a co-ed prison along with fellow tax dodging New York real estate magnate Leona Helmsley since the 80's.

Criminals have motives, clear or obscure, and he will be convicted and him and his organization will have the greatest motive in history to become President by any means necessary and pardon himself.

American "democracy" has been a corporate captured sham for a long time but the 2024 election could destroy all the illusions.

Trump speaks at his Bedminster Club. Full upfront BS

Of what the this administration and DOJ and Feds are doing, without a doubt.

and fakes after fakes.

Well, that’s what they have been doing for 7 years.

Trump's embarking on the greatest adventure of his life: he's not dead, he's in narcissist heaven, the center of world attention for the rest of his life. He's counting on the boilerplate "equal justice under law", the cowardice of the ruling political class, averse to incarcerating a former president, the agonizingly slow grinding of the wheels of justice floundering in the dollar-backed mud of litigation and last but not least, upon actuarial tables, all of which tell him he'll never have to spend a single night in a cell. Trump's ostensible bravado and undoubted excitement over a "Hail Mary" shot at the presidency to stymie all attempts of his opponents to end his influence on the public stage are the potent ingredients he's mainlining as his elixir of life at 77.

Trump's statements on his classified stash....

"They are classified and they all belong to me"....

"I declassified them all by Executive Order"....

"They are classified but I'll give them back - here is a certified letter from my Attorney verifying that there is no more classified at Mar-A-Lago".....

"I declassified the 104 documents found in the search AFTER MY LAWYER CERTIFIED THERE WERE NO MORE by THINKING ABOUT IT"....

"There never were any classified documents - I just took the empty folders".....

ON TAPE: "“Secret. This is secret information. Look, look at this,” Trump says, according to the transcript. “This was done by the military and given to me. As president, I could have declassified, but now I can’t,”

So Trump supporters, please explain to us why Trump made all these contradictory statements in public, then admitted on tape they were all lies?

Within context yes.

Exactly!

But sure, the quote you think is a smoking gun. Let’s look at it again. 

*“I’m making sure [Trump], under legitimate efforts of our Constitution, does not become the next President again.”*

Again, that’s not for Biden to decide or take upon himself? That is not up to him, that is up to the voter. Again, had Trump made that quote, he probably would have been impeached for just mentioning that. That is the purest definition of election interference.

The part is bold is especially significant.

Sure is

I was under the impression you were a fan of the constitution,

So much so, that’s why I am asking the question.

despite your knowledge of it being a little wonky.

Not me, this administration.

What a dumbass!

All he had to say was, “Gosh, I didn’t know!” And then give them back and it all would have been over. Did he want this to happen?

Again, that’s not for Biden to decide or take upon himself? That is not up to him, that is up to the voter. Again, had Trump made that quote, he probably would have been impeached for just mentioning that. That is the purest definition of election interference.

Wrong, Biden will be standing for re-election and will use all legal means to prevent Trump from being elected again. Of course, it's up to him in his campaigning. Trump's own party opponents are already saying damning words about Trump.

You've gone off the rails.

bass4funk

election interference.

Is that like Trump in Georgia demanding the Secretary of State find him another 11,000 votes and he didn't care how. Trump now facing more criminal charges.

Lots more humiliation coming for Trump cult members...

The dumb SOB flew straight to Bedminster and incriminated himself on camera which is admissible in court. The legal analysts were actually laughing at him.

I almost feel sorry for his poor lawyers except they knew this was coming and choose to take on the role anyway.

oh so Trump is a seditionist now?

which charge is that in the indictment here?

or is that indictment #3 or #4 now that #1 and #2 didnt work at all?

How anyone who is in their right mind would not find Trump and his tone repulsive is beyond me.

He's the one acting like a thug.

Despicable doesn't do him justice

Can anyone give me a direct quote from this Trump tape that no one has heard, not even CNN who reported on it?

odd, when was Trump convicted of sedition much less even charged with that crime?

If trump was a character in an Austin Powers movie you wouldn't believe it

yes, anyone who is even remotely acceptable to the left equals "pass, no thank you".

By that metric and your broad definition of "left" you are left with Trump, David Duke, Kanye West, MTG maybe?

Quite a political philosophy you got there Blacklabel.

great way to run a country.

oh so Trump is a seditionist now?

Has been. I guess you were not paying attention.

which charge is that in the indictment here?

or is that indictment #3 or #4 now that #1 and #2 didnt work at all?

2 was about obstruction. This is about a different crime. Thus a new indictment.

Oh so indictment #3 will be sedition?

Then as it hasn’t even been filed yet then it’s premature to judge guilt and already label as seditionist. Right?

Another year before the nominations are sorted. Both Trump and Biden are too old. There should be an upper age limit just as there is a lower one. VP Harris would not make a good president.

Saw a funny meme today that went something like this:

Maga 2016: Investigate Clinton!

Maga 2019: Investigate Hunter!

Maga 2020: Investigate Joe!

Maga 2023: You shouldn't use your position to go after political adversaries.