Trump pledges fealty to NRA gun lobby

If guns reduced crime, then the US would be the safest country on earth. It's not.

The NRA bans guns at their conventions, even when the President is not there, yet they push for open carry laws so that when you take your family to dinner there can be some nut holding an AK-47 at the table next to you. Hypocritical scum that does not care about American families but rather looks out for the gun manufacturers that fund them.

If guns reduced crime, then the US would be the safest country on earth. It's not.

I don't believe that for a second, a little, but overall, No. Looking at the gang element alone taking away guns would never solve that problem, they would use other weapons to kill or invoke violence. Getting rid of the unregistered guns or street guns is the way to go and to do that, you have to take aggressive action to infiltrate the growing gang culture.

The NRA bans guns at their conventions, even when the President is not there, yet they push for open carry laws so that when you take your family to dinner there can be some nut holding an AK-47 at the table next to you. Hypocritical scum that does not care about American families but rather looks out for the gun manufacturers that fund them.

If that were the case, Texas should have the highest murder rate in the world because it's an "open carry" State. The problem shouldn’t have anything to do with law-abiding citizens. There are many States with very strict gun laws, get more aggressive with these illegal gun sellers and guns underground and you will see far fewer gun crimes.

"As your president, I will never, ever infringe on the right of the people to keep and bear arms,"

Trump knows that to keep the bass of his base he needs to whip up gun their fervor. To keep them loyal all he has to do is say guns are really great.

He can then go back to using his executive powers to get more tax breaks for himself and his fellow elites, can then find even more ways to further enrich his family's investments, further reduce services including healthcare for the majority of the country, cut back funding for education at all levels, play more golf on the taxpayer's money, further enrich the war industries, invade more countries and more firmly establish his authoritarian regime.

I posted on this tread, checked that the post was there - and now it's gone. It wasn't off-topic. This has happened a few times in the last few days. What's going on, mod?

Trump knows that to keep the bass of his base he needs to whip up gun their fervor. To keep them loyal all he has to do is say guns are really great.

Hogwash, there are a lot of Dems that would never touch the gun issue and by the way, most of the Hollywood left either has a gun or their bodyguards, so why is it ok that these people are allowed to have all the rights and protections granted to them under the law, but the rest of us can’t? Also, we have thousands of hunters (me included) and not all of them are conservative, so it’s not just Trump trying to keep his base happy, but there are a lot of people on the left that agree with Trump (Harry Reid is one of them)

He can then go back to using his executive powers to get more tax breaks for himself and his fellow elites, 

Not just for them, but also for the middle-class and small business owners as well as an effort to keep corporations in the US. 

can then find even more ways to further enrich his family's investments, further reduce services including healthcare for the majority of the country, cut back funding for education at all levels, play more golf on the taxpayer's money, further enrich the war industries, invade more countries and more firmly establish his authoritarian regime.

Demonizing the rich again? When the left makes that argument it just sounds so petty. Healthcare, education and all of the rest of these complicated issues will come up again, no need to rush it, he’s got time and if the Dems can put their hate and anger aside and work with the president on some of these issues instead of digging in their heels a lot can get accomplished in the next 2 years. The NRA isn’t going anywhere and realistically, both sides don’t want, even if the Dems play that game that they are so concerned.

I know Trump said this president business is more difficult than he thought ( thankfully people like the leader of China can help to give him some basic knowledge ), but this is the easy part. Just tell the gun nuts how their vice is a virtue. A bit of childish trash about Pocahontas will also keep the idiots whooping.

Any ignorant, trash-talking loudmouth can get this right.

Look up Jim Jeffries Gun Control. It explains the logic in a way even die hard gun owners can not refute.

I'm not against people owning guns in their homes, for hunting, and sport shooting.   But the problem in the US is that we have an extremely unhealthy gun culture (which the NRA has actually helped to promote).   Too many thug lives, along with those self perceived dirty Harry, Charles Bronson, movie types that think guns are just like in the movies and cop shows...  

We end up with a lot of shootings, either because someone suddenly becomes "mentally unstable" has access, or a relative doesn't look after their fire arm properly and their disgruntled teen takes it and does a school shooting, or their young under 10 year old children accidently shoot themselves or someone else because them good old gawd 'n gun toting 'Muricans don't have enough brain cells to be responsible "law abiding" gun owners.

Trump just is showing just like the rest of the sell outs, that the NRA is the lord and master of the US gub'mint when it comes to in-effective "gun control".

Look up Jim Jeffries Gun Control. It explains the logic in a way even die hard gun owners can not refute.

Yeah, I know Jeffries, funny guy, but what works well in one country, doesn't work necessarily well in another country. In Germany you can get a beer at Mc Donald's, personally, I think it's a great idea, but would never work in the States, but works well in Germany. Australia also has a much smaller population, demographics is really different and there so many variables there is No way you can compare. Australia also doesn't have a 2nd amendment big difference.

Just use the blueprint that the anti-abortionists are using and start applying it to guns. If they can close down clinics that are providing something safe and legal then we can do the same to gun shops. Require massive amounts of security ("safety") or just tell gun owners to fly to another state or drive 8 hours to the nearest shop.

And if people complain that they don't have access, just shrug and say hey, it's still legal, and shops still exist, so...

Why does the NRA oppose 

1) Universal background checks. 

2) Limiting clip/magazine capacity. 

3) Permanent banning of gun ownership by convicted violent felons. 

4) Require guns in the home not in use be trigger locked or stored in safes.

Seriously, you think we trust the Federal Government with ANY of our "personal information." Maybe you do, but I don't!

Why?

I agree.

Most law-abiding citizens already do that. But at the same time, it should be left to the individual.

Seriously, you think we trust the Federal Government with ANY of our "personal information." Maybe you do, but I don't!

Didn't you post in the past that you didn't care about the government snooping because you had nothing to hide?

When did you change your mind on this one?

Didn't you post in the past that you didn't care about the government snooping because you had nothing to hide?

When did you change your mind on this one?

I never changed my mind and I don't have anything to hide, but I also don't trust the Feds either, especially after all the Wikileaks revelations last year.

I never changed my mind and I don't have anything to hide

You did say that you didn't mind the government snooping as you didn't have anything to hide.

Was it the Wikileaks revelations that changed your mind? If so, fair enough. It's just that I've seen this hypocrisy before from those who suddenly become concerned with privacy when the subject of background checks come up.

@bass4funk. What are your reasons for saying that what works in one country will not work in others. I would suggest that the fact that Australia has only a tenth of gun related deaths Per Capita compared to USA would point to either the success of gun control, or is it just the mentality of Americans that leads to a tendency to want to shoot every and anything. Whatever, this is irrefutable proof that more gun ownership does nothing to stop gun related deaths.

Australia also doesn't have a 2nd amendment big difference

The difference being the degree of common sense employed perhaps? The same type of argument would allow Saudis to shrug off the execution of atheists. ("America might not do it - but they don't have Sharia.")

is it just the mentality of Americans

bass has admitted (nay, boasted) several times in the past of having a passion for killing. He also tells us that parts of America are no-go zones for law-abiding, affluent people like himself because of the violent nature of the people who live there. Because bass says it we all just scratch our heads in puzzlement and wonder why then they don't just get rid of the guns that the bad guys and nutters are using to kill people, but anyone else gets accused of being 'anti-American'.

There are many States with very strict gun laws

bass, there are NO states with 'very strict gun laws'. Not what the rest of the civilised world calls strict, at least.

The state known for the strictest gun laws is California. 

In California, all firearms sales, transfers, including private transactions and sales at gun shows, must go through a California licensed firearms dealer.

10 states with the strictest gun laws | Deseret News

because it's an "open carry" State

How about japan. It's not open carry and murders are quite low here.

Texas should have the highest murder rate in the world

What happend to five cops in Dallas recently?

More Americans are killed from gunshot than any terrorist domestic or foreign.

True. Has nothing to do with the issue of the Second Amendment and gun control though.

but this is the easy part. Just tell the gun nuts how their vice is a virtue. A bit of childish trash

No the easy part is claiming anything you agree with is a pure virtue and anything you don't agree with is an evil vice. Then you can justify doing anything to those you disagree with. Just more of that childish trash you don't seem to like, except when it comes from you.

Any ignorant, trash-talking loudmouth

And you, Jimizo, have described yourself.

No the easy part is claiming anything you agree with is a pure virtue and anything you don't agree with is an evil vice.

Not at all. I'm an enthusiastic drinker. I think alcohol is fantastic but I see drinking as a vice. I'm also a bit of a gambler but I also see that as a vice. Some people make the argument that guns are a necessary evil but there are people who actually love devices invented to drill holes in skin and flesh, shatter bones and penetrate vital organs. Not a healthy thing. A vice.

I'd agree that I'm ignorant about many things and I'm a loudmouth. I'd dispute that I'm trash-talking. For example, my mother and father brought me up not to disrespect women and I don't talk about grabbing p____s.

I'm also a humble grease monkey and not the president of the US. Wouldn't you expect better from the leader of the free world.

Fealty? You mean that the NRA rules America ?

fealty

ˈfiːəlti/

nounhistorical

a feudal tenant's or vassal's sworn loyalty to a lord."they owed fealty to the Earl rather than the King"

formal acknowledgement of loyalty to a lord."a property for which she did fealty"

your criticisms are often seemingly laced with innuendos that Americans are stupid

I see the results of the 2000, 2004 and 2016 elections, the calls for creationism to be taught in public school, the love of lethal weaponry and proudly-announced passion for killing, the never-ending wars... and draw my own conclusions. It seems roughly half the population is normal.

routinely make fun of the way they talk

I routinely make fun of the way we Brits talk too, does that make me anti-Brit? A self-loather, maybe?

your criticisms are often seemingly laced with innuendos that Americans are stupid

It's pretty hard to argue with the fact that the group of human beings known as Americans do some pretty stupid stuff. Most Americans seem to even accept and agree with this.

Often individual Americans are some of the best people in the world.

It's important to make this distinction.

You did say that you didn't mind the government snooping as you didn't have anything to hide. 

Exactly. At the time I did say that.

Was it the Wikileaks revelations that changed your mind? If so, fair enough. 

That's correct.

What are your reasons for saying that what works in one country will not work in others. I would suggest that the fact that Australia has only a tenth of gun related deaths Per Capita compared to USA would point to either the success of gun control, or is it just the mentality of Americans that leads to a tendency to want to shoot every and anything. Whatever, this is irrefutable proof that more gun ownership does nothing to stop gun related deaths.

Australia also doesn't have a border problem, Australia doesn't have gangs like MS-13, 18th St. the Cartels and other illegals that came into the country and are growing and expanding their criminal operations within the US, especially over the last 8 years that were once regulated to the greater LA area and has spread so far as in Florida and the far North East. To make that comparison is laughable, different countries, different rules, laws and we have our 2nd amendment. 

there are NO states with 'very strict gun laws'. Not what the rest of the civilised world calls strict, at least.

Well, that's a difference of opinion.

Australia also doesn't have a border problem, Australia doesn't have gangs like MS-13, 18th St. the Cartels and other illegals that came into the country and are growing and expanding their criminal operations within the US

Republicans loooooove to go on about the gangs, while simultaneously ignoring the fact that the gangs have been created, and continue to exist, as a result of the war on drugs, and the laws behind it that were created by Republicans.

No accountability.

Live by the gun. Die by it. People dropping like flies but guns are not the problem. Sure. American thinking is so backward sometimes

Australia doesn't have gangs like MS-13, 18th St. the Cartels and other illegals that came into the country

Illegals have a lower crime rate and there are less coming from Mexico and more coming from other areas such as Asia. More importantly they are not mass shooting like Dylan Roof and the Orlando nightclub shooter (and there were armed security at this nightclub) and shooting like these are done by 100% crazy Americans with their crazy deadly semi autos. Then there was the Dallas shooter who took out five cops and he was 100% American. Americans in the US are the most dangerous ones. By the way, what do you do for protection in Japan? Japan is safe, but nasty assaults are not unheard of. People who fear life with no gun - what do you do for protection in Japan which is a great country-based gun free zone?

Trump's 100-Days in Office rant was one of the most cringe-worthy, mouth-open-in-disbelief things I've ever forced myself to listen to. If people in the US cannot see that he is an utter nutter, the US is in serious trouble. Still acting likes he's in an election campaign. Still repeating the most stupid things over and over. Still waffling on about winning the election! Still criticizing Hillary! Still no substance to anything he says and then some poem about a snake? Surely he can't last one year like this, let alone four! Come on America, admit you got it wrong and rectify things please!

I am surprised that someone has not tried to assassinate DT, may be there has been an attempt but its been covered up.

I am surprised that someone has not tried to assassinate DT

Oh, please NO. Can you imagine half the airports and the new space center being named Trump?

I am surprised that someone has not tried to assassinate DT, may be there has been an attempt but its been covered up.

Please, PLEASE do not let that happen. The last thing we need is for him to become a martyr for the alt-right. That would be way worse than four years of him, especially if he gets hampered after two with poor midterm election result.

Firstly there is no such thing as "alt-right" it is a made up term by mainstream media. Secondly, Presidents do not need to pledge anything to the NRA, even with a Dem pres, dem congress and dem supreme court guns will never be banned in the US. I am not pro gun, but they never will be banned so this is just political posturing.

Firstly there is no such thing as "alt-right" it is a made up term by mainstream media.

No, it was coined by Richard Spencer, in 2008, and a few years later, he co-founded the Alternative Right blog, which bills itself as the founding site of the alt right.

I know you guys want to pretend it doesn't exist, because it looks bad (well not just 'looks'). But it's real, and they are extremists.

Seems like some people are not only watching too much CNN, but actually believing it too

I don't watch CNN. I haven't seen it in months.

Seems like some people want to deny fact, and actually believe it too.

Promising not to infringe on rights to bear arms - yeah whatever it says he is just reiterating what the US constitution says.

More amusing is this:

Trump pledges fealty to NRA gun lobby

Traditionally armies pledged fealty to leaders or to some ideological or other institution, not the other way round.

Still scary.

Seems like some people want to deny fact, and actually believe it too.

facts like the ABC poll that came out last month stating Trump is more popular than the Democratic party now?

Seems like some people want to deny fact, and actually believe it too.

Or that 57% of Americans are for single payer insurance but the corporate Democrats like Tom Perez still prefer donor money to doing the right thing?

No wonder they lost the election to the least popular person in political history...

Or that 57% of Americans are for single payer

What Republican politician is pushing for Single payer? Should have stayed with Obama's public option which would have transitioned to that faster than what the Republicans are doing now (which is nothing). It shows people hated Obama because he's black.

Seems like some people are not only watching too much CNN

Say what you want about CNN. I don't watch any TV news. But FOX/Brietbart does have Trump followers believing the following:

Obama was born in Kenya and he faked his Harvard degree

Trump will have Hillary arrested

There would be a Muslim ban 

Mexicans are a bunch of rapists

Trump would have Hillary arrested for lots of crimes

The wall will be built and Mexico will pay for it

China would be considered a currency manipulator

He would trash the Iran nuclear deal

Sticking by NATO

Said he would investigate the 5M voter fraud alligations

(all broken promises)

I don't watch CNN but any Trump followers here- what lies are CNN telling? Please be specific.

But again, who actually thinks Republicans will push for Single Payer. They want no payer and just go bankrupt and lose your house over a broken finger. Geriatric Conservatives are the ones who say keep your government hands off my Medicare.

What Republican politician is pushing for Single payer? 

I am not a republican, and what Democrat is pushing single payer? None because the Dems are more corporate these days that the Reps. Poor Bernie getting shafted by his own party's greed

the Dems are more corporate these days that the Reps.

Say what? Hillary was pretty corporate - but more so than Trump? He is literally only corporate (the guy has shown a supreme inability to be a politician).

and what Democrat is pushing single payer?

Obama wanted the public option. He was closest to it and he wanted it. Voting in Hillary would have brought us closer to SP because all these Republicans want to roll back the Medicaid expansions. If you want SP and prefer the Republicans (the Dems are more corporate these days that the Reps) you are voting for the wrong party.

there are more guns than people in the US, over 350million. Guns. gun owners in the US are responsible for 8000+ homcides and double this in the amount of suicides, every year for the last 40yrs! Seems a high price to pay for so called liberty & freedom, also of note the US has the highest incarceration rate of any democratic country at about 2%, 8million people. Statistically speaking "the land of the free" has the least amount of free people

Hillary was pretty corporate - but more so than Trump?

Obama, Tom Perez, every Dem who is bad mouthing Bernie (which is most of them despite polls that show he more popular than the entire Dem party)

Good luck with that party guys. Losing to the least popular person in history, wonder why?

Good luck with that party guys. Losing to the least popular person in history, wonder why?

Not at all - it's pretty clear why. Gerrymandering and the electoral college put into power the person who not only got 3 million less votes, but was chosen by less than 1/5 Americans.

You seem to be under some weird impression that Americans as a group actually wanted him as president.

Gerrymandering and the electoral college put into power the person who not only got 3 million less votes,

this is why the Democratic party is dying, they can't look at their own faults. Bernie would have beaten Trump by 20%, why did the Dems fix it so he would lose? Becasue they wanted their corporate candidate

Becasue they wanted their corporate candidate

Was Hillary a corporate executive? For what company?

please educate yourself before joining the conversation

The Republicans are the party of the corporates. Dick Cheney was CEO of Halliburton. And Trump has lots of ex CEO advisors and Trump is/was a CEO himself. Also, Jared and Ivanka are CEOs. What was Hillary's company and what was her title? Because I just searched "Hillary Clinton" and "CEO" and nothing came up. People just hate Hillary for the same reason they think Obama was born in Kenya - out of ignorance. These same people believe that Trump is going to build a wall and Mexico pay (among many other things). They also think that Trump's hair is real.

Or that 57% of Americans are for single payer insurance

Should have voted Dem. because the Republicans do not want that. It was Obama who wanted to start the Public option which would be on the way to Single Payer by now but the Republicans are the ones who screwed it up. Vote Dem. if you want single payer.

If you want to knwo which candidates are "corporate" look at the amount of their donations "bribes"

You would be surprised to see that Obama and H both have more corporate bribes driving their campaigns than any of the last Republican candidates.

This and the notion that gerrymandering is the reason Trump won are why Dem voters are disenchanted with the "party of the people" being bought out, along with the fact that Bernie got shafted and rigged out of his chance to beat Trump, which polls say he would have easily. This is why Trump is Pres, because Dems are in denial.

If you want to knwo which candidates are "corporate" look at the amount of their donations "bribes"

You must not know much about the donation system in US politics. It's not a partisan issue whatsoever, and lawmakers on both sides of the aisle have been very vocal about the messed up state of politics where a major part of their jobs is having to spend a significant amount of time hustling for donations.

Your (unproven) complaint seems to be that some are better than others.

You must not know much about the donation system in US politics. 

do you know why Perez and Bernie are on tour together now? To "mend" the Dem party. Because Bernie is against corporate donations and the DNC is for them.

The Dems lost because of people like you, who believe the system is why they lost, not because they pushed a corporate candidate over the popular candidate despite polls showing Bernie would have beat Trump by more than 20% while H was running neck and neck with him.

The Dems lost because of people like you, who believe the system is why they lost

Only 20% of the people voted for Trump, with three million people less than Clinton. And you're trying to claim that her loss wasn't because of the system?

And you're trying to claim that her loss wasn't because of the system?

Yes because Bernie would have beat Trump by 20% but Dems pushed their corporate candidate and rigged the primaries so she could run (and lose)

Yes because Bernie would have beat Trump by 20% but Dems pushed their corporate candidate and rigged the primaries so she could run (and lose)

Oh, Bernie got screwed alright. But your comment was on her loss - her loss was not to Bernie. It was to Trump, even though three million more people voted for her, and even though he got less than 20% of the vote.

...and you're trying to claim her loss wasn't because of the system.

I don't even need to put my conclusion there, or how your theory makes you look. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence can see it from the facts I pointed out above.

you would be surprised to see that Obama and H both have more corporate bribes

A corporate bribe is subject to arrest. No such arrest and did not happen. Just like the 5M voting fraud stories (how many of those 5M "voter fraud" cases have led to arrests?). Also, Trump said he would have Hillary arrested but did not happen. All myths that Trump voters follow like cultists.

To clarify (Or that 57% of Americans are for single payer insurance) Hillary should have been voted in for that. Anyone wanting SP but voted for Trump voted for the wrong person. Hate is destructive and people like Trump end up being voted in.

and you're trying to claim her loss wasn't because of the system.

it was not. it was because most progressive voters despised the DNC and refused to vote for their candidate

it was because most progressive voters despised the DNC and refused to vote for their candidate

I want to hear more about Hillary's bribes and how Trump voters keep continuing to think she should go to prison for crimes that have never even existed legally.