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“They’re killing and raping everybody out there.

A world leader with the communication skills of a late night TV used car salesman.

The Don's hyperbole aside, I do hope law enforcement smashes these and other gangs. Quickly.

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If people have sneaked into a country and stay there illegally, then they can expect to be deported. How hard is that for people to figure out?

That's what happens to Westerners in places like Thailand and Japan, and that's not an issue at all. Why can certain groups claim this entitlement?

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Trump: “They’re killing and raping everybody out there. They’re illegal. And they are finished.”

I thought this sounded familiar. From Dylan Roof, the man who killed black churchgoers in Charleston:

You rape our women and you're taking over our country. And you have to go.

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Classic Trump bigotry! "Some members of a group did something bad so everyone in the group is dangerous to everyone!"

It's a pity the media don't have the courage to call him out. It's downright shameful that some in the media are going out of the way to protect the bigot-elect from criticism.

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Hmm, all the people--everybody--on Long Island has been raped or will be raped by El Salvadorean gangs. Actually it sounds like other Latino immigrants have been the main victims, hit on one side by the gang element and the other by opportunistic politicians. What has Don ever done to reduce crime on LI (his birthplace)? Flapping his gums doesn't count.

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Touchdown! For the Don. Another score and the game hasn't even started yet.

Obama, on the other hand, has been fumbled at his own one yard line in Chicago. Blaming the press to boot.

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Touchdown! For the Don. Another score and the game hasn't even started yet.

You killed your own metaphor. How can he score a touchdown when the game hasn't started? He hasn't actually done anything yet.

You know, other than get less votes than Hillary. By millions at that.

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@katsu78,

You should stop being so hypersensitive. Also, your generalized statements make no sense. Pro illegal gangs are you? No need to be polite when discussing these thugs.

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MS-13 originated on the streets of Los Angeles and are a trans national menace, but even they answer to the Mexican Mafia prison gang in California.

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He hasn't actually done anything yet.

I understand it must be hard to recognize leadership after 8 years of wishy washy Obama.

You know, other than get less votes than Hillary. By millions at that.

Stating the obvious, but still meaningless.

Lots of stories coming out in the local press about Dem voter fraud, especially Detroit. Your "millions" could be reduced.

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The article focused on the killings of five teenagers from the same New York City suburb and suspicions that the slayings were the work of a street gang, MS-13, that has roots in El Salvador and has been linked to at least 30 killings on Long Island since 2010.

“It’s not a good thing,” said Maryann Sinclair Slutsky, executive director of the immigrant advocacy group Long Island Wins. “I don’t know why he’s picking Long Island. The entire immigrant community is terrified. All immigrants in that community feel uncomfortable. There’s profiling going on and whether they are totally upstanding citizens, they are going to feel targeted in some way.”

So Maryann Slutsky has no idea why he is pointing out Long Island. Is this woman for real....so Trump should do nothing and let the killings continue? This is part of the problem in America....Uh....We need help but if you do it we are going to complain. If you cant help yourselves then just be thankful that someone else is willing to do it for you. So in other words Slutsky.......say thank you.

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SuperLib: I thought this sounded familiar. From Dylan Roof, ...

katsu78: Classic Trump bigotry! "Some members of a group did something bad so everyone in the group is dangerous to everyone!" ...

This!!! How dare DJT lump the kindler, gentler MS-13 members, who bring teddy bears to needy children, help little old ladies across the street, and bag groceries for the homeless before Thanksgiving, with those ruthless, feral MS-13 members who beat, rape and kill teenagers???

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I understand it must be hard to recognize leadership after 8 years of wishy washy Obama.

On the contrary, it's easy to recognize a disaster on the horizon after 8 years of calm, collected, stability and growth.

It's more astounding to me that others don't see it.

Lots of stories coming out in the local press about Dem voter fraud, especially Detroit. Your "millions" could be reduced.

Tin foil hat stories.

Remember, the only voter fraud actually found so far was double voting for Trump. That's a real fraud, not one that bitter people have made up.

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Mel Brooks is a modern-day prophet. The US government has deteriorated into a remake of "Blazing Saddles" only now dimwit Governor William J. Lepetomaine has become president.

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“I don’t think anyone would argue with the president-elect and Homeland Security removing criminal alien gang members from the streets of Brentwood. I think the residents of Brentwood deserve it,” DeMarco said.

I think everyone agrees with DT's assessment of the situation, problem is some of us feel that his rhetoric is counter productive. Am not talking about gang themselves, couldn't care less if DT'S semantic is PC enough or not, but locals, hispanic or not, who are well aware of the situation and want to hear solutions rather than 'these sob are going to rape and kill your daughters, am tellin ya' alarmist quotes.

Even if the 'they are all rapists/killers etc' were true, and it's not, spruiking doom and gloom prophecies is never right and imo often detrimental to the cause. Ppl want to be reassured, not told they will either be raped/killed or deported.

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It occurred to me that if the bloodthirsty gang happened to be good old, home-grown American thugs, Trump would not have raised this issue. The angle has to dovetail with his own narrow worldview.

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Touchdown! For the Don. Another score and the game hasn't even started yet.

He's hasn't done anything yet, he's just talking. Anyone can talk tough. It's interesting how you gloat about things he hasn't done yet but are silent on the things he has. What are your thoughts on his decidedly swampy cabinet picks and the Carrier deal that looks good for workers on paper but seems more and more like it benefits the company executives? The actual workers are calling him out.

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Laptop_Warrior: It occurred to me that if the bloodthirsty gang happened to be good old, home-grown American thugs, Trump would not have raised this issue. The angle has to dovetail with his own narrow worldview.

???

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/sep/27/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-chicago-has-experienced-thousand/

Donald Trump says Chicago has experienced thousands of shootings this year - September 27th, 2016

... Republican Donald Trump, stuck to his "law and order" approach, painting a bleak portrait of life for African-Americans and Hispanics "living in hell because it’s so dangerous." ... He zeroed in on Chicago, President Barack Obama’s hometown. ... "In Chicago, they've had thousands of shootings, thousands since Jan. 1. Thousands of shootings," Trump said. ...

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Good!

I understand that if gang violence from other Democrat led US cities was taken out of the statistics, the US would have gun violence on par with European countries. Gang violence hits poor and minorities hardest and I am glad he is focusing on it. Cannot imagine why the mayor of Chicago is still in power considering how the city under his watch has become a murder capital.

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Touchdown! For the Don. Another score and the game hasn't even started yet.

Kim Jong Il's cult members believe he invented the hamburger and shot a 38-under par round that included no fewer than 11 holes in one.

The Don's cult members believe anything he tweets. For me, he's scoring only own goals.

US football terms like 'touchdown' are yesterday's terminology in the Trump administration. From now on with Ms. McMahon serving in the cabinet Bannon will have Trump tweet WWE terms.

Here she is for those unfamiliar with her and WWE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbEfoVwI4wo

And for those who don't follow WWE, here's a glossary of terms: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_professional_wrestling_terms

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pointofviewDEC. 09, 2016 - 10:56AM JST Pro illegal gangs are you? No need to be polite when discussing these thugs.

turbotsatDEC. 09, 2016 - 12:14PM JST SuperLib: I thought this sounded familiar. From Dylan Roof, ... This!!! How dare DJT lump the kindler, gentler MS-13 members, who bring teddy bears to needy children, help little old ladies across the street, and bag groceries for the homeless before Thanksgiving, with those ruthless, feral MS-13 members who beat, rape and kill teenagers???

Thanks guys for providing excellent case-studies demonstrating how institutional bigotry works. The Figurehead makes a warning about a group of people which implies a connection between an aspect of human identity (coming from Central America) and harm (killing and raping). Then when he is criticized for making that association, partisan hacks rush to his defense with the lie that any criticism of The Figurehead's bigotry is a defense of criminals.

The next step, which we saw adequately demonstrated immediately after Trump won the electoral vote, is The Figurehead's surrogates on the street immediately turning out to harass and assault people with that identity.

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So the anti-Trump liberals are saying that the poor immigrant gang members should be left alone to kill people because they are imigrants, and they have a right to be here, nevermind the people who they kill, they don't have the right to live.

what happens in Japan if you stay here illegally? Oh yes, they kick you out.

The level of political correctness hypocrisy knows no boundaries. What you're saying is that Trump is a racist for wanting

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Edward GherasimDEC. 09, 2016 - 03:56PM JST So the anti-Trump liberals are saying that the poor immigrant gang members should be left alone to kill people because they are imigrants

No, they aren't saying anything of the sort, but I can imagine how it feels good to make stuff up about people you disagree with rather than face the possibility they might be right.

No one has any problem with police arresting killers. The problem is with the authorities pretending there is a connection between an aspect of the killers' identity and their choice to kill. It is a crime to kill. It is not a crime to be from somewhere else. Anyone who can't clearly tell the difference between the two is unfit to lead.

The ironic thing is that if the Japanese press published stories about us that were even half as threatening, this board would be screaming bloody murder about it.

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So the anti-Trump liberals are saying that the poor immigrant gang members should be left alone to kill people because they are imigrants, and they have a right to be here, nevermind the people who they kill, they don't have the right to live. - what happens in Japan if you stay here illegally? Oh yes, they kick you out.

I'd be amazed if anyone said that.

Katsu covered the rest.

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It is not a crime to be from somewhere else.

It is if you are in a country illegally and you are from someplace else.

The line between immigrants and illegal immigrants is being unnecessarily blurred. I see a consistent problems with people on both sides of this issue doing this.

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backscratcherDEC. 09, 2016 - 05:00PM JST It is if you are in a country illegally and you are from someplace else.

In that situation the crime is not in being from somewhere, the crime is in not correctly filling out the proper forms and receiving permission to enter the country.

Crimes are choices. Crimes are actions. Anyone who tries to define a crime as a state of identity is trying to normalize bigotry. All suspicion of crime should be centered on what a person did, not who the person is.

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All suspicion of crime should be centered on what a person did, not who the person is.

Sometimes they are the same thing. From the article:

Some of the people accused in those crimes were in the U.S. illegally.

To too many, the mere mention of someone being an illegal alien seems to be an attack on all immigrants. Some complaining about crime by illegal immigrants use words that make it appear that all immigrants are at fault. Neither side is correct in these cases.

I see too many people in the US too ready to misunderstand each other. It can't end well if things continue this way.

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Its a badge of progressive regressive honour to be craving for people coming into the US illegally. Why I do not know.

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Its a badge of progressive regressive honour to be craving for people coming into the US illegally. Why I do not know.

You do realize you're the only one who has said that right?

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Donald Trump is certainly going to be the President of United States and still talking like this... The president of United States! But what he's saying make sense, trying to make "illegal" citizens leave the country.

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Agreed! What a limp-wristed, warm n fuzzy bs feelings 8 years weve had. Much more and perhaps we ALL ( not just the crazy lefties) would start believing its quite normal to welcome illegal immigrants into your country.

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Stranger land: "On the contrary, it's easy to recognize a disaster on the horizon after 8 years of calm, collected, stability and growth."

Not to worry. When the inevitable disasters pour in, and they will, they'll blame it on all Obama -- including Trump's personal pics.

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limp-wristed, warm n fuzzy bs feelings

Interesting how the fascist right frames the issue.

Government policy decided by cherry-picked cases, knee-jerk reactions, and Twitter.

Whip the illiterate mob into a lather!

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What a limp-wristed, warm n fuzzy bs feelings 8 years weve had.

Yeah! All that peace and jobs and strong economy and ending wars. Who wants that?

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Anyone who tries to define a crime as a state of identity is trying to normalize bigotry.

Listen, no one, and I mean no one, hates bigotry any more than I do. There is no excuse for it or racism at all. However, being illegal is an identity. In this particular case Trump was specific in talking about illegal immigrants and wanting them out of the US. No one can accuse me of being a Trump supporter. A quick look at my past posts will confirm that I am not. However, that does not change what I wrote above. Neither would the racist or bigotted opinions of others.

There is little doubt that the area in Long Island in question is having a difficult problem with gang related violence. It is also clear that a significant percentage of the violence committed by the gang in question is being done be individuals who are in the US illegally. There is absolutely nothing wrong with pointing this out and wanting to deport those illegally in the country. I have disagreed with a lot of the things I heard coming from the Trump campaign, but I am not convinced that what was said in this case or wanting to deport the those illegally in the country is incorrect. Someone please convince me otherwise if you feel my view is mistaken. Again, I am not referring to immigrants, I am referring to illegal immigrants. In this case, it seems clear that Trump was referring to illegal immigrants and it says as much in the article.

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Heheheh, what's funny is that the teenage killings is a tragedy for Brentwood, but overall this is not a big problem for Long Island. Trump's reference is elevating it to more than it is.

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Yes, violent murders are not such a big deal...

lol

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JeffLee: If people have sneaked into a country and stay there illegally, then they can expect to be deported. How hard is that for people to figure out?

Rolling my eyes.

pointofview: Pro illegal gangs are you?

Rolling my eyes.

Edward: So the anti-Trump liberals are saying that the poor immigrant gang members should be left alone to kill people

Rolling my eyes.

Outsider: Its a badge of progressive regressive honour to be craving for people coming into the US illegally.

Rolling my eyes.

It's going to be a long 4 years of Trump supporters missing the point.

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Not to worry. When the inevitable disasters pour in, and they will, they'll blame it on all Obama -- including Trump's personal pics.

I have no idea how they will do it. But you are right. they will absolutely do that. Scary.

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Xenjy: "I have no idea how they will do it. But you are right. they will absolutely do that. Scary."

What are you talking about, they'll just say, "It's Obama's fault" and the GOP will lap it up. Doesn't matter WHAT it is. I mean, come one! They already have people saying Obama STARTED the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, that he founded ISIS, that 9/11 was Clinton's fault, GWB killed OBL, etc. etc. It's the time-machine effect. Fact checking doesn't matter, so long as Trump tells them something different it is fact for them.

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It's going to be a long 4 years of Trump supporters missing the point.

Following eight years of already not getting the point.

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katsu78: Thanks guys for providing excellent case-studies demonstrating how institutional bigotry works. The Figurehead makes a warning about a group of people which implies a connection between an aspect of human identity (coming from Central America) and harm (killing and raping).

Except that he didn't do that. He was specifically talking about MS-13. And is being quoted in the current article, which also says:

The article focused on the killings of five teenagers from the same New York City suburb and suspicions that the slayings were the work of a street gang, MS-13, that has roots in El Salvador and has been linked to at least 30 killings on Long Island since 2010.

So apparently by your definition Michael Balsamo, the author of the article, is also guilty of 'institutional bigotry', as El Salvador is in Central America.

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turbotsatDEC. 10, 2016 - 02:14AM JST He was specifically talking about MS-13.

When your president speaks in the vague generalities of a 4 year old, how is it even possible to know what he means?

They come from Central America. They’re tougher than any people you’ve ever met,” Trump told the magazine. “They’re killing and raping everybody out there. They’re illegal. And they are finished.

Who exactly is "they"? You have to take his word that "they" refers to the gang, not the nationality. But he's done this kind of thing in the past. Let's not forget:

When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

"They" implies he's talking about every person from Mexico bringing drugs, bringing crime, and being a rapist. You have to take it on faith in Trump's moral character that he means something different.

Mr Trump went on: "They're not coming to this country if I'm president. And if Obama has brought some to this country they are leaving, they're going, they're gone."

Who's "they"? Muslims? ISIS? People with ISIS flags on their cell phones? We don't know, and Trump refuses to specify.

He plays the pronoun game, and it's intentional. He wants people like you to defend him to the people who would stand up to him, try and polish his tu- I mean image, to waste all your energy making him look respectable so he doesn't have to. Then he wants other people, angry people, people like the folks who harassed and assaulted black people, Muslims, Latinos, and LGBT families on the day after the election in his name to feel emboldened to lash out the way they see fit.

Oh, he'll make a token condemnation - with a parenthetical note that anyone who doesn't support him is way worse than some Americans who terrorize innocents for what their identity is. He'll count on you to spread that message around and defend him while he breezily moves on and pretends the terrorism in his name never happened. That's the way bigoted authoritarians work. Because that's how they build their power base. They don't have the knowledge or skills to gain support through concrete achievements, so they convince a segment of the population that they're inherently better than everyone else, and everyone else is a threat, so "we" have to work together to keep "them" out. We've already seen Trump do exactly that, and he's not even in office yet.

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katsu78: You have to take his word that "they" refers to the gang, not the nationality.

Or, you could just read the article.

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Also from the article:

There’s profiling going on and whether they are totally upstanding citizens, they are going to feel targeted in some way.”

Most of us who have lived in Japan understand. The newspapers would put foreigner crime on the front page of the crime section, especially US service members. I always wondered how a soldier running out on a taxi fare was the biggest crime story in Tokyo that day, but there it was in the headlines.

Ask any Japanese person about US service member crime and they will tell you the numbers are high. But in reality it's less than the Japanese population averages. That's how focusing on one group, especially a group that looks different from the majority, gets stigamatized. Its why Obama is trying to choose his words carefully when talking about terrorism.

People on the right often miss this point.

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Or, you could just read the article.

I read it - Trump's comments are all vague pronouns.

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Strangerland: I read it - Trump's comments are all vague pronouns.

Trump is talking about a gang, but because katsu and Strangerland want to score points vs. Trump, suddenly they pretend to be confused over whether he's talking about a gang or about every Central American in the USA.

SuperLib: Its why Obama is trying to choose his words carefully when talking about terrorism.

It's because after trying to take credit for vanquishing terrorism, he can't admit terrorism is still there. So when discussing Benghazi privately, Hillary admitted to Chelsea that it was terrorism, but when presenting it to the public, the administration blamed it on protests against an innocent third party, the maker of an anti-Muslim movie. That is how and why they 'choose their words', not because they're worried about stigmatizing anyone, but because they're consummate PR specialists and don't want even a whiff of blame against themselves.

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/06/the-benghazi-timeline-clinton-edition/

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It's because after trying to take credit for vanquishing terrorism

When? Where?

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Strangerland: How do you know he is talking about a gang, and only the gang. Please quote his exact comments that make this clear.

That's what I mean about 'pretend to be confused'. Read the first three paragraphs of the article we are posting to. He's talking about an article about MS-13. Is he talking about elderly Salvadorian grandmothers who were wheeled across the border on wheelchairs?

Strangerland: When? Where?

Obama was running for election, the Benghazi attack took place on Sept. 11, 2012, voting day was the first week of Nov. 2012. Even in his convention speech he said that "four years ago" he promised to focus on terrorists and that (now, summer 2012) al-Qaeda "is on the path to defeat".

https://www.google.com/#q=benghazi+reelection

Google: benghazi reelection

(various hits) ...

The administration's Benghazi spin described here:

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/437273/benghazi-scandal-coverup-clinton-obama-administration-owe-us-reckoning

What We Do Know about the Benghazi Attack Demands a Reckoning - June 28, 2016

https://www.google.com/#q=obama+quote+al-qaeda+summer+2012

The quote from Obama's 2012 Democratic Party Convention speech here:

http://www.npr.org/2012/09/06/160713941/transcript-president-obamas-convention-speech

Transcript: President Obama's Convention Speech - September 6, 2012

... You know, in a world of new threats and new challenges, you can choose leadership that has been tested and proven. Four years ago ... I promised to refocus on the terrorists who actually attacked us on 9/11, and we have. (Cheers, applause.) ... A new tower rises above the New York skyline, al- Qaida is on the path to defeat and Osama bin Laden is dead. ...

More Al Qaeda quotes from Obama post-Benghazi:

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/obama-touts-al-qaeda-s-demise-32-times-benghazi-attack-0

Obama Has Touted Al Qaeda’s Demise 32 Times since Benghazi Attack - November 1, 2012

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That's what I mean about 'pretend to be confused'. Read the first three paragraphs of the article we are posting to.

The first three paragraphs of this article were not written by Trump. And it's extremely telling that you cannot provide a quote that shows he is clearly talking about the gang and only the gang.

And you still provided no link whatsoever that shows Obama tried to "take credit for vanquishing terrorism". I'm not sure what all those entirely unrelated links showed.

I think we all know that Obama has never claimed that terrorism was vanquished, nor tried to take credit for being the one to do it.

But yeah, keep on making stuff up if it makes you feel better.

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Trump's quote and the preceding text is in plain English. Nothing confusing about it. Or about Obama's quote.

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Trump's quote and the preceding text is in plain English. Nothing confusing about it. Or about Obama's quote.

Trump's quote, They come from Central America. They’re tougher than any people you’ve ever met, uses the vague pronoun 'they'. Who are 'they'? Where does he clearly state that he means the gangs?

And the preceding text is not written by Trump, it's someone else's interpretation of his comments.

I think the fact that you are not able to provide a quote that shows he is clearly talking about the gang and only the gang shows one exists.

As for Obama's quote, what quote? You're claiming he said he 'vanquished terrorism', and you haven't provided any quotes of his saying he has vanquished terrorism.

Because he never said it. Ever.

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Strangerland: Trump's quote, They come from Central America. They’re tougher than any people you’ve ever met, uses the vague pronoun 'they'. Who are 'they'? Where does he clearly state that he means the gangs? And the preceding text is not written by Trump, it's someone else's interpretation of his comments.

The preceding text writes that he is pointing to an article about killings by MS-13 on Long Island when making his statement to Time. He is not pointing to an article about Central Americans in general. The article's headline is "Extremely Violent Gang Faction".

Strangerland: As for Obama's quote, what quote? You're claiming he said he 'vanquished terrorism', and you haven't provided any quotes of his saying he has vanquished terrorism.

'Vanquish' does not mean 'utterly destroy', if that's what you're trying to quibble on. You can look it up.

The Obama not only tried to convince the public that al-Qaeda was on the road to defeat" (Obama's words, quoted in my previous post). They also cut off the Defense Intelligence Agency's access to documents retrieved from al-Qaeda, when the DIA's analysis did not agree with the Obama 'we're defeating al-Qaeda' campaign rhetoric. Perfectly fits in with my 'consummate PR specialists' label.

Sorry to dash your dream of Obama as a reputable, upstanding President, but there it is.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/stephen-hayes-and-tomas-joscelyn-how-america-was-misled-on-al-qaedas-demise-1425600796

How America Was Misled on al Qaeda’s Demise - March 5, 2015 ... The White House portrait of a crumbling terror group is contradicted by documents seized in the bin Laden raid.

... In spring 2012, a year after the raid that killed bin Laden and six months before the 2012 presidential election, the Obama administration launched a concerted campaign to persuade the American people that the long war with al Qaeda was ending. In a speech commemorating the anniversary of the raid, John Brennan, Mr. Obama’s top counterterrorism adviser and later his CIA director, predicted the imminent demise of al Qaeda. The next day, on May 1, 2012, Mr. Obama made a bold claim: “The goal that I set—to defeat al Qaeda and deny it a chance to rebuild—is now within our reach.” ... After a pitched bureaucratic battle, a small team of analysts from the Defense Intelligence Agency and Centcom was given time-limited, read-only access to the documents. The DIA team began producing analyses reflecting what they were seeing in the documents. ...

After a pitched bureaucratic battle, a small team of analysts from the Defense Intelligence Agency and Centcom was given time-limited, read-only access to the documents. The DIA team began producing analyses reflecting what they were seeing in the documents. ... At precisely the time Mr. Obama was campaigning on the imminent death of al Qaeda, those with access to the bin Laden documents were seeing, in bin Laden’s own words, that the opposite was true. Says Lt. Gen. Flynn: “By that time, they probably had grown by about—I’d say close to doubling by that time. And we knew that.” ... This wasn’t what the Obama White House wanted to hear. So the administration cut off DIA access to the documents and instructed DIA officials to stop producing analyses based on them. ...

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The preceding text writes that he is pointing to an article about killings by MS-13 on Long Island when making his statement to Time

That's someone else's interpretation of Trump's comments.

And you are still unable to provide a quote that shows he is clearly talking about the gang and only the gang. Because such a quote does not exist.

'Vanquish' does not mean 'utterly destroy', if that's what you're trying to quibble on.

I never said anything about 'utterly destroy'. I simply pointed out that Obama has never said he 'vanquished terrorism', which you claimed.

Then you posted a bunch of stuff about Al Qaeda. They are a terrorist organization, not terrorism. Terrorism is an idea. ISIS are terrorists as well, but they are not Al Qaeda. There are many other terrorist organizations, as well as individual terrorists in the world, besides Al Qaeda. So I'm not sure why you are posting a bunch of stuff about Al Qaeda, other than to maybe try to obfuscate the fact that you are entirely unable to support your claim that Obama claimed to have 'vanquished terrorism'.

You can look it up.

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"You can look it up." - ignore that. Not sure where it came from.

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Except SuperLib claimed "Obama is trying to choose his words carefully when talking about terrorism" because "That's how focusing on one group, especially a group that looks different from the majority, gets stigamatized."

But Obama's motive post-Benghazi was nothing of the sort. Just before the 2012 election, Obama wasn't shielding al-Qaeda. He was shielding himself, because he didn't want to lose the election.

He wasn't too high-minded to blame the attacks on someone other than al-Qaeda. It wasn't only Hillary who knew the attacks were not due to the movie, Obama must have known as well.

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