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Trump rejects criticism of his proposal to ban all Muslims from entering U.S.

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Trump wants to ban all Muslims from entering the US. His nationalistic, xenophobic, anti-Muslim rhetoric reminds me VERY MUCH of another sadistic demonizing national leader who had to be challenged by the Allies during WWII. Trump's American followers, who know nothing of history, remind me of mindless Germans who were rallied by Hitler during WWII. Trump is a real danger to world peace.

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ISIS's best friend and ally is Donald Trump. For those of us who despise ISIS it is crucial to speak out loudly and forcefully in defense of American principles. Those who wittingly or unwittingly cooperate with the ISIS goal of isolating American Muslims must be countered by those of us who believe in our Constitution and founding principles.

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@Rod I agree, but because Trump is out in front of the other US extremists, leading the way for others of his twisted bent to come out into the open, I'd compare him to Mussolini. The only good thing that can result from this ugliness is US Americans will get off their high horse and stop preaching to the rest of the world that they're morally superior. But as several posters have already written, they don't care what the rest of the world says - as they watch their fellow countrymen and -women cannibalise each other.

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"“We are now at war,” said Trump, who further defended his plan by comparing it with President Franklin Roosevelt’s decision to intern Japanese Americans during World War II."

The GOP candidates are getting madder and madder by the election. Give it 4 years, and a Klansman will be running.

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Harry Potter author J.K. Rowling decried Trump on Twitter as worse than her fictional villain Lord Voldemort

I really wish she would stop insulting Lord Voldemort that way.

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Trump’s call Monday for a “total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States”

Rump the Great may say whatever he wishes. He only paints his support as the frothing bigots he has proved them to be since the beginning of his attack on decency and respect for all Americans.

The domestic danger has already been proven as some few have taken Rump's encouragement of prejudice as the green light for attacks on Muslim Americans.

This is simply the irresponsible chanting of Rump's Republican Shia-Tea. Few, like Senator Cruz, have the guts to call Rump's prejudice and racial hatred for what it is and proves Cruz is also incompetent.

What is clear?

Rump has no power to act as the tin pot dictator he believes himself to be. Rump only proves again he is a loud mouth, unthinking an unstable demagogue looking to fan the core of hate in his racial and religious prejudice.

Too bad the Republicans are too weak to answer his threats and too fearful of the mob violence threatened by Rump's reckless ignorance.

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""“We are now at war,” said Trump, who further defended his plan by comparing it with President Franklin Roosevelt’s decision to intern Japanese Americans during World War II."

Is Trump aware that we ended up recognizing that was unconstitutional, wrong and apologized?

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Readers, in the interests of maintaining a reasonable level of discussion, please refer to candidates by their proper names.

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The Pentagon has called Trump's proposal a threat to national security. That is correct. Trump is no longer a joke. He has unleashed a very self-destructive force that has been hiding under the surface of American public life. It is coming to the fore, and you can see it in some of the comments by regular posters (and journalists) on this website.

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Many people had trouble understanding how the likes of Mussolini and Hitler got elected to national office in the 1940s.

Trump taps into the very same fears, phobias, and anxieties that exist in some of us just under the American character.

Trump is a fire breathing demagogue, who demonstrates that it can happen here if we're not careful, and forget the underlying values that made us the greatest democracy in the world.

Republicans beware, you have met the enemy and he is you

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Trump is planning to keep Islamo- fascism from taking root in the US as it will in Europe. Ironic that some posters are likening him to hitler.

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Just curious how can this be implemented though.

A test a the border where they make one eats bacon ? Free bacon for everyone ? Or like I read on another thread have everyone walking over the book ? Or sign a paper where one declares not being of a particular religion ?

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It has to be an expanded version the legislation the House passed today barring those from Iraq, Syria, Iran and the Sudan, or those who have visited those countries in the last five years, from traveling to the United States without a visa. During the Cold War there were severe immigration restrictions to and from communist countries, during the Iranian hostage crisis even Carter banned Iranians from entering the United States unless they opposed the Shiite Islamist regime or had a medical emergency and thousands who were here had to leave etc.

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The GOP candidates are getting madder and madder by the election. Give it 4 years, and a Klansman will be running.

So now, we need to inject racism is not the discussion once again? Typical.

It is coming to the fore, and you can see it in some of the comments by regular posters (and journalists) on this website.

Yeah, I know you were making a personal swipe at me. Keep trying, buddy. Anyway, I will say this, as hurtful and inflammatory as his comments were, he is tapping into the fear of what many Americans feel and Obama is downplaying those fears and to NO avail. The people aren't listening to Obama, they don't care what he says, they don't trust him, he's beyond weak and pathetic, it's no surprise that Trump continues to rise in the polls. Like him or not, he projects strength and Obama, pure weakness.

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Is Trump aware that we ended up recognizing that was unconstitutional, wrong and apologized?

What Trump is proposing would not be unconstitutional, since people who are not US citizens are not protected by the US Constitution. If he said that we need to deport lawful US citizens who are Muslims, and deny them the right to practice their religion, then he would be in the area of proposing unconstitutional.

For those who disagree with Trump, then what is your solution? Let's look at this rationally. These two people were radical Islamists, but they blended in. One was born here and the other was brought over by the US citizen. Right, now we have no way to read what is in someone's mind. So wouldn't it be logical to prevent someone who may be coming from an area where there happens to be an abnormal amount of people who practice a certain religion who want to do harm, and yet are not walking around with guns openly? Or do we simply just allow them to come in, and allow them to do as they wish once they get here.

Just looking at Pakistan where the woman came from, a Pew research poll conducted in 2013 found that 62% of Muslims in Pakistan favor the death penalty for people who leave the Muslim religion. So, do you really think that we should just let anyone in from that country or do we need to do a better job of vetting them, and if so how? Does that mean the relatively few Christians and other from Pakistan get a free pass to come in?

Taking a look at an NBC news story that reported research data from the SPLC (Southern Poverty Law Center) both very left leaning organizations found that from 2001-2012, religion incidents of hate crimes in the US show that Jews were the recipients in 66% of the crimes, and Muslims only 12%. Considering that during that time frame, we have seen the 9/11 attacks, and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan one would think by reading the news and the Trump bashers that the Muslim victims of hate crimes would be very high. Interesting thing about the SPLC information is that the state with the highest number of hate groups in 2014 was California (yes very liberal CA).

Just an attempt to try to point blame at Trump and not at the US government for not doing its job of supposed vetting people. You can't vet someone if they have been taught from an early age to hate the West and other religions. What are you going to do to stop someone coming from a place like that into the USA? Waiting for an answer.

Funny thing, some of the questions asked in the forms are: 1. have you ever engaged in a terrorist act, or 2. Do you plan on participating in a terror attack against the USA. If someone is stupid enough to answer yes to those questions then they probably aren't the brightest tools in the shed. It's the ones who answer no on the form, but have other intentions in mind.

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I think Mr. Trump went overboard on that one- but the people of the U.S. & the world Know they Are & have been at war with these agents of the devil for decades now yet the polititions fear ever the utterance of the word WAR. Perhaps Mr. Trump has finally got people to get off their duffs & Vote( no matter who)come election day.

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Trump is planning to keep Islamo- fascism from taking root in the US - comments

Really? Sounds more like a TV personality making religious affiliation a crime without trial or hearing and without appeal. Similar to his "Birther" campaign how is this just a TV personality repackaging another prejudice into another campaign of hate?

What the paranoids miss are the fifty shades of Islam. Which shade of Islamic belief is most dangerous? Obviously those who kill innocent children, bulldoze them alive into their graves and claim heroic victory.

Just as there are fifty shades of Christianity or Judaism or Buddhism where is this dividing line for the Muslim faith? So if the murderous ISIS is the worst, is a fascism like a Westboro Baptist Church a more acceptable menace?

The paranoid fear that welcomes any prejudice is not too different from the ISIS derangement that claims all Americans are devils and kills Muslims and Catholics alike.

There is then just a unifying hate these ideas share. One sets out all Muslims are threats the other sets out all Westerners are threats. In this both have different derangements but they are the same in their effect and tactic. This is the course the frothing prejudice a Billionaire television personality has been recruiting his supporters with.

Protecting Americans from threats while providing access to firearms of mass killing capability played out another deadly lesson in Cali. Ratcheting up the dialogue and promoting a blanket prejudice pleasurable to a television personality is certainly only increasing domestic instability in the most vulnerable and a core danger.

In the wake of Robert Dear's slaughter attack on a Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood facility the same danger is incensed in a TV personality shrieking for religious prejudice. What then is the difference between a TV show host and ISIS? When prejudice and hate are the only goals, not very much, and similar tragedies might be expected.

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Just as there are fifty shades of Christianity or Judaism or Buddhism where is this dividing line for the Muslim faith? So if the murderous ISIS is the worst, is a fascism like a Westboro Baptist Church a more acceptable menace?

@ kcjapan: Though deplorable, Westboro Baptist has yet to throw gays off buildings or behead people on live video feeds, nor has the radical Zionist bombed any hotels lately. Last one I can remember was the King David hotel in Jerusalem some time ago.

I think if you even look at what was going on in Britain in the 70's there was probably a very tight screening of Irish Catholics entering into the country.

CNN is running on its page that the two had become radicalized over 2 years ago. So that means that when they came to the USA in 2014 with his bride, she was already radicalized and ready to do harm to the USA. So again I ask, what do you do to stop this? Just let anyone in and "hope" that they don't do anything.

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since people who are not US citizens are not protected by the US Constitution

True. And Jesus rode dinosaurs while smiting homo sin,

Vote Republican.

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Mr. Trump's viewpoint is not all that unreasonable.

There are several nations run by Muslim governments that ban Christians. To openly call yourself a Christian in some of those countries is akin to signing your own death warrant.

If they can ban Christians, we should be allowed to ban Muslims until -- as Mr. Trump advocates -- the U.S. government sorts out our dog's dinner of an immigration policy. . . .

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since people who are not US citizens are not protected by the US Constitution.

Alphaape@That's nonsense. Legal protection is accorded all persons residing legally in the US, even those on business or student visas. There is no citizenship requirement to live wherever they choose, publish one's opinion, purchase a firearm, belong to a religion, etc. There are some exceptions, such as the way probate is handled regarding a non-citizen who died while holding property in the U.S., but for the most part resident aliens in the US enjoy the same freedoms as Americans.

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Well, three things to say to the yahoos who like Trump's idea how "shutting out" Muslims:

First, its a demonstrably stupid idea. Second, its unconstitutional and can never be enforced, even if it were possible, which it ain't.

And, third, it is a gift to Democrats. Daffy is breaking the Republican party apart. Which is awesome.

Any questions?

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Trump seems to attack issues multiplied by ten. The non-Islamic nations need to proceed with caution. We saw in France and Belgium that there are Muslim areas more or less left alone by police. I disagree with that.

A Muslim emigrating to a non-Islamic nation has no rights to maintain some of the extreem practices. Woman are equals, face covering for personal identification photos, one wife and sharia law have no place introduced into an accepting nation. Local assimilation is a must.

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Galapagos

Oh, you and your facts!

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@plasticmonkey The Pentagon has called Trump's proposal a threat to national security. That is correct. Trump is no longer a joke. He has unleashed a very self-destructive force that has been hiding under the surface of American public life. It is coming to the fore, and you can see it in some of the comments by regular posters (and journalists) on this website.

You are so right. And it speaks volumes that some of the regular posters here are unwilling to speak out against Trump. They will talk about anything else to avoid saying that Trump is wrong, and even go so far as to defend him. The racism and discrimination is just deplorable.

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There are several nations run by Muslim governments that ban Christians.

If you have examples, please show them. If you're speaking of Saudi Arabia, you're completely wrong. I worked there. Thousands of Europeans and North Americans, people from Christian cultures, work there today. Yes, I was required to state my religion prior to getting a work visa. I wrote that I was a Christian. Everyone at all levels of government accepted that. I worked with other Christians, Hindus and Buddhists. No Christian is banned there. Non-Muslims are not allowed to enter Mecca and Medina. Truth.

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And it speaks volumes that some of the regular posters here are unwilling to speak out against Trump.

They are nativist, most likely racist, and certainly dupes. That is the bad news. The good news? Ah, I'll tells ya:

The Republican party is built on an uneasy alliance between a popular base -- comprised of the the know-nothings and white-supremists, self-styled civil libertarians, and Christianist bigots -- and an elite establishment -- made up of wealthy corporations and the entrenched monied elite, and a good chunk of the national security apparatus. Said another way, the nativists, the theocrats, the plutocrats, and the right wing industrial complex.

It is an uneasy alliance.

Trump is blowing it up.

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Yet this is the United States of America, how many articles of the Bill of Rights and the other amendments does his proposal violate? I usually to not comment of American politics but this is way out there!

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To all of the critics of Trump, do you any better suggestions to prevent another Paris or San Bernadino-style attack?

To all of those likening Trump to Hitler: How many Jews blew themselves up or fired machine guns into crowds of people all in the name of God?

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"What Trump is proposing would not be unconstitutional, since people who are not US citizens are not protected by the US Constitution. If he said that we need to deport lawful US citizens who are Muslims, and deny them the right to practice their religion, then he would be in the area of proposing unconstitutional."

A voice of reason!

"Just as there are fifty shades of Christianity or Judaism or Buddhism where is this dividing line for the Muslim faith? So if the murderous ISIS is the worst, is a fascism like a Westboro Baptist Church a more acceptable menace?"

And then this....KC Japan how many people have the Westboro Baptist Church killed?

Look, I have no problems with any religious group in America as long as they assimilate to American culture and don't force their beliefs on others. There is a small segment of Islam that cannot abide by those rules and to deny that is to ignore reality and to deny the rights of others to protect themselves against that threat is lunacy.

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Tha's nonsense. Legal protection is accorded all persons residing legally in the US, even those on business or student visas. There is no citizenship requirement to live wherever they choose, publish one's opinion, purchase a firearm, belong to a religion, etc

@ GalapagosnoGairaishu:

Trump didn't call for banning Muslim US citizens in the USA. Only those who want to immigrate. If you are in a country like Pakistan, and want to immigrate to the USA, if you are not physically in the USA, then you have no constitutional protections. If so, then everyone would just yell "I'm an American" if they get arrested in some foreign country.

You are correct in a way. A US citizen can chose to live anywhere and publish any opinion (within the law) and own a weapon (provided they are not a felon). These are rights for US citizens only, not people in other countries who want to come to the USA, and when they do they need to go through the proper background checks.

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"The GOP candidates are getting madder and madder by the election. Give it 4 years, and a Klansman will be running."

"So now, we need to inject racism is not the discussion once again? Typical."

As someone who despises Democrats, why aren't you furious about what's going on here? Trump is spouting lunacy that is going beyond the usual 'stupid party' nonsense of Ben Carson and his 6,000 year-old earth. This is worse than GOP lawmakers screaming insanities about the impossibility of women becoming pregnant from rape or Christmas cards depicting a family armed like slack-jawed guerrilla fighters. Trump is coming out with isolation ward stuff. Jindal got it right when he said the party needs to move away from being the 'stupid party' but becoming the insane party isn't the right direction.

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Look, I have no problems with any religious group in America as long as they assimilate to American culture and don't force their beliefs on others.

Examples like the Amish and Mormon polygamist sects? Neither has any desire to integrate into main stream US culture. They're allowed to practice their beliefs and choose a lifestyle that fits them. As long as they are peaceful, no one seems to be bothered. There are ethnic communities in every part of the US that choose not to integrate or minimise their contact with the whole, among them white anglo-saxon protestant groups. Most US Americans I've met say they have no desire to be melted into the putative melting pot; they prefer to remain individuals who choose the group they want to associate with. As long as Muslim Americans are peaceful, why can't they be free to choose?

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BREAKING: Trump calls for total ban on Arabic numerals in the US.

"in MDCCLXXVI, The Founding Fathers didn’t need them when they invented America — which was great, by the way," Trump proclaimed. "And we’re gonna make it great again!"

He explained:

"All these numbers do is encourage these Moslems; y'know how those people think: they see their numbers everywhere think it’s Sharif Law that we have to use them. Also, they take their numbers and they use them as codes, and that’s how they talk to ISIS on the internet, and we’re gonna have to take a look at the internet, by the way."

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There are several nations run by Muslim governments that ban Christians. To openly call yourself a Christian in some of those countries is akin to signing your own death warrant.

So you'd choose to set American policy based on the lows that other countries will stoop to? I guess America has decided not to be the best in the world anymore.

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Alphaape

Trump’s proposed ban would apply to immigrants and visitors alike."

Facts are stubborn things.

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Associating Trump to hitler is a childish argument. Liberals to hitler is the same yet as hitler liberals want to control what is publicized and gun control just as in 1938 Germany.

Thump is a blowhard. He preys on reaction and magnify's issues. He says what he thinks will work for his elevation. I said months ago Trump is a flash in the pan, I was wrong but I still believe he will not be the nominee.

On the other front....Hillary is Obama in female form but worse. And we see where and what direction the nation has gone in the past seven years. We're broke, lost respect, far fewer good paying jobs, divided within, and Obamacare is on the track implosion.

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And then this....KC Japan how many people have the Westboro Baptist Church killed? - comments

The question is still appropriate. Is a fascism like a Westboro Baptist Church a more acceptable menace?

A TV personality is proposing a likely harmful and deranged plan based solely on religious prejudice and thousands cheer.

The fascism of Westboro Baptist Church is a more acceptable? Given their disgraceful display at the funerals of American Soldiers? As far as forcing their beliefs on others the Westboro Baptist Church is far more guilty than two suicidal freaks.

Freaks who committed slaughter for no reason except to galvanize disgust with the worst of false religion that isn't even a religion but some few picked out phrases to justify slaughter for their ISIS activators.

Maybe if the Cali killers had less access to murderous firepower and the NRA/GOP Congress voted for the prohibition of gun sales to watch-list and no-fly list individuals would that help and be a far more practical safeguard?

After ignoring practical safeguards, in the end, there's just a TV personality urging religious prejudice that safeguards nothing but prejudice.

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There are several nations run by Muslim governments that ban Christians. If they can ban Christians, we should be allowed to ban Muslims until -- as Mr. Trump advocates -- the U.S. government sorts out our dog's dinner of an immigration policy. . . .

Well stated Texas A&amp.

Republican presidential contenders have proposed restrictions on refugees and tighter surveillance in the U.S.

Right. Put all that on hold for a while. Let's remind ourselves that those islamic refugees have no constitutional rights guaranteeing them entry into the US in the first place.

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To all of the critics of Trump, do you any better suggestions to prevent another Paris or San Bernadino-style attack?

The idea that these attacks can be entirely prevented, is a logical fallacy. It's impossible to prevent them 100%. Banning Muslims from America won't stop them either - look at how many of these style attacks happen by white men. Even banning all guns and Muslims wouldn't stop them from happening, others will still find a way to build homemade bombs or whatnot.

Trying to stop them 100% is an un-achievable goal, and trying to do so only leads to stupid ideas like banning Muslims.

Stepping into the world of reality, four things need to be done:

1) Choose policies that are the least likely to make people want to attack

2) React to incidents in a way that isn't likely to create more alienation

3) Have a strong preventative/investigative body (FBI, CIA, Homeland Security) to gather intelligence to try to head off these attacks before they can happen

4) As much as possible, remove the ability for average people to obtain instruments that can be used for these types of incidents.

The first two refer to making a country less of a target. The second two refer to making it more difficult for those who would perpetrate such incidents to actually do so.

Nothing, I repeat nothing, will ever stop these incidents from ever happening at all. Anyone who thinks that banning Muslims from the US will stop terrorist incidents from happening has a very narrow world view, and is not showing much intelligence. So the goal should be to create an environment that will lead to the least possible incidents from happening, and I've outlined the steps to creating that environment above.

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I`m giving up on this topic. Its not something that can be rationally debated - you basically get hit with a wall of ignorant bigotry spouted by people who get riled up when called bigots but spout it nonetheless.

Trump is playing to the same bigotry that Fascists in the 1930s did, and proposing the same policies to boot. Follow him at your peril.

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how many people have the Westboro Baptist Church killed?

Maybe they haven't killed any, but white Christians have killed in the name of their god. Look at the guy who shot up planned parenthood the other day. Should all Christians be banned from the US, with those living their subjected to a registry? Of course not - they're white!

you basically get hit with a wall of ignorant bigotry spouted by people who get riled up when called bigots but spout it nonetheless.

One of them the other day admitted he was a bigot (here on JT), but that he still believes in his bigoted opinion. I can actually respect that stance (though not the bigotry behind it).

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Anyway, I will say this, as hurtful and inflammatory as his comments were, he is tapping into the fear of what many Americans feel

bass -- so glad you admitted the obvious. All those folks who know God is on their side, and have all their guns to protect themselves, are the ones running scared. LOL.

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I`m giving up on this topic.

Why? Now is the best time to throw in your two cents (especially if you're american- if not, your opinion is worth only 0.5 cents).

Trump is stirring the pot and tailoring his campaign to suit his agenda. Especially since the Paris attacks which drew France into War. It's such an exciting controversy with everyone getting involved. Us vs them. Are we safe? How do we know which are radical and which are peaceful?

Did not obama himself say this (R) debate would be like the "Hunger Games." Careful what you wish for mr. president.

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Did not obama himself say this (R) debate would be like the "Hunger Games." Careful what you wish for mr. president.

The more 'Hunger Games' it gets, the better the likelihood of a democratic win in 2016. The Republicans generally try to pump out more vitriol and hatred in the primaries, and then this is used against them in the actual election campaign.

So I think Obama knew exactly what he was 'wishing' for.

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@Strangerland, very reasonable and wise suggestions. Couldn't agree more.

Stepping into the world of reality, four things need to be done:

Just a few potential problems with your ideas, from a seasoned journalist:

1) Choose policies that are the least likely to make people want to attack

So why didn't you libs say anything when Hillary REFUSED to send backup to our citizens in Benghazi? Obama has NEVER made our country safer and now our enemies are laughing at us because we have a wussy president who ALWAYS apologizes and bends over backwards to support radical Muslims.

2) React to incidents in a way that isn't likely to create more alienation

You mean like what Obama is doing to Christians and Christmas? You libs crack me up. Keep trying buddy, LOL.

3) Have a strong preventative/investigative body (FBI, CIA, Homeland Security) to gather intelligence to try to head off these attacks before they can happen

I agree, but when have libs done ANYTHING to protect American lives, except maybe Black Lives Matter lives. Planned Parenthood anyone? Thought so.

4) As much as possible, remove the ability for average people to obtain instruments that can be used for these types of incidents.

Average people are not the problem. This president has NEVER called out the real evildoers but keeps blaming Republicans and Fox viewers and gun owners while NEVER taking responsibility. And then he keeps playing golf in his mom jeans and not EVER listening to his military advisers? Where was Obama born anyway? LOL

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The more 'Hunger Games' it gets, the better the likelihood of a democratic win in 2016

As if the (R) had a chance in the 1st place. Ohwell, bring on the next (D). Anyone but obama.

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I am sure glad he does not hate us Jews. I do like the guy but it is going to be hard for him to turn this one around.

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Trump’s proposed ban would apply to immigrants and visitors alike."

Facts are stubborn things.

@ Black Sabbath: From a Trump spokesman:

Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski said that Trump's proposal would apply to "everybody" including Muslim tourists and Muslims seeking immigration visas.

If you are seeking a visa, that means that you are not in the US or a citizen. Any country has a right to deny someone from entering, whether we think it fair or not. Try going to Tibet and stating you are a devotee of the Dali Lama and see how far you get.

"This does not apply to people living in the country," Trump told Fox News. It would be unconstitutional and would be illegal.

Yes facts are stubborn things when you read up on them. At least with Trump he puts a plan out there without the usual political spin of trying to be everything for everybody. As for those who say why should the USA adopt laws like other nations, you are probably the same people who get mad at someone saying how exceptional the USA is and we should be more like other nations.

By the way of all of the Syrian refugees who they want to bring in, only .04% are Christians, even though ISIS is destroying Christian churches and killing them left and right. So where is your righteous indignation when other Middle Easterners who are not Muslim are denied entry into the US?

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Anyone who thinks that they can't get a pretty good amount of support in American politics simply by being an angry, irrational xenophobe does not know American politics.

Irrational over-reaction to a threat from "the other" has been used effectively by US tyrants with the RED SCARE, the YELLOW PERIL, 1980s Japan bashing, the Spanish American war, the genocide against native Americans, the 20th century eugenics craze, the Ku Klux Klan, ad nauseum. Shall we include the 9/11--Afghanistan--Iraq WMD conflation?

Trump is, in the truest sense of the word, the latest in a long line of American political tradition. And people fall for it... over and over.

Generally, when you can combine immigration with some other issue, such as labor strife or national security, you can produce some pretty shocking policies and ugly scenarios. Everybody does it. Britain's National Front is probably still simmering. One should give pause and consider that no national candidate in Japan has proposed "kicking out all the foreigners" despite decades of recession.

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Mr. Trump said that we should temporarily halt Muslims coming in to this country (and clarified that he was referring to non-citizens) until our nation's representatives can get this situation under control. All the liberal, media and weak kneed GOP candidates are jumping on this stance as anti-American and unconstitutional. Current American immigration policy has routinely rejected immigration to America for all manner of reasons including religion and the area of the world you come from (example: the ebola virus scare and our denial of access of anyone from that region).

What is constitutional is that the POTUS takes an oath of office to "preserve and protect the United States of America from all threats foreign and domestic"... All the world is a twitter about Mr. Trump's comments. His comments have been distorted and misquoted, but his assessment of the situation is 100% accurate.

With the recent violent murders by Islamic Extremists of innocent people in San Bernadino as a back drop, we need to halt all immigration of people who might possibly be coming to America with evil intentions (and 100% of global Radical Islamic violence is carried out by Muslims) until we can set up a system to ensure that we can identify those people and turn them back before they get inside our country. That is reasonable, well intentioned and does not violate our U.S. Constitution. . . . .

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@PTownsend. And remind me how many people the Amish and the other group you mentioned have killed....or how about preaching death to those who don't believe in their religion. Amish don't do that. Assimilate doesn't necessary mean driving cars or chugging soft drinks; obeying laws and not forcing your beliefs on others.

@Strangerland. How many people have been killed by abortion clinic shooters. Now compare to Muslims. Also abortion shooters don't get apologists like you or get to blame "being radicalized." On the contrary they are locked up (and in some cases put to death) and that is as it should be. Again, I agree, all (religious) nut cases should be punished to the full extent of the law but having citizenship has its privileges but again.....

.....we have enough religious zealots in the country already, let's take a break from bringing more over.

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(and 100% of global Radical Islamic violence is carried out by Muslims)

Being Muslim is one thing they have in common, they certainly also have brown eyes and dark hair, I think hair colour should be checked at the border to make sure they don't come in with "evil intentions".

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It's called satire.

Indeed. Indistinguishable from the real thing. Nicely done.

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All those in the US worried about terrorism should reflect on the long history of terrorist methods utilized by their own imperial state.

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Trump is the Republican party. He is leading in the polls and he's getting support from Republicans here.

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@TexAg What is constitutional is that the POTUS takes an oath of office to "preserve and protect the United States of America from all threats foreign and domestic"

That's a perspective on what the POTUS should do and I fully agree. I'd add if he really wanted to keep the US protected, he'd ban automatic and semi-automatic assault weapons and handguns. I just learnt some people in the US can buy 50 caliber semi-automatic weapons. Is that so they can protect themselves from mammoths? And by the way, you didn't say which countries Christians weren't allowed in.

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@Eppee

"I think hair colour should be checked at the border to make sure they don't come in with "evil intentions"."

Perhaps, then, you can explain how was Tashfeen Malik's immigration into America was beneficial to this country . . . .

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Perhaps, then, you can explain how was Tashfeen Malik's immigration into America was beneficial to this country . . . .

Then this person should have been stopped, but because of his actions, not because of his religion. I think there are intelligence services for that.

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Wasn't this just another Trumpstunt, intended to bump up his standing in the polls, that went south? I have to seriously question whether, carnival barker that he is, he really believes anything he says, and that he isn't in the race because he craves attention and has nothing better to do. At the end of the day, his candidacy will become a bigger gift to the Democrats than even Barry Goldwater's was.

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His nationalistic, xenophobic, anti-Muslim rhetoric reminds me VERY MUCH of another sadistic demonizing national leader who had to be challenged by the Allies during WWII.

Although I disagree with Trump's comments, your comparison is completely invalid and even insulting to Jews. Jewish people in Germany at the time only wanted to be an integral part of German society. They offered absolutely no terrorist threat to anyone. And most of all, despite Trump's divisive rhetoric, he is not proposing extermination camps.

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I think there are intelligence services for that.

They're not doing so well. FINCEN missed those "large" financial transactions & cash withdrawls from Farook's bank account. The FBI didn't "know" that< the terror bride, Tashfeen was loyal to ISIS. The local police department were "unaware" the two were making ied's in the garage and riddling the place with pipe bombs.

Eppee probably believes a copy of the Qaran was "planted" in their home too by authorities in San Bernardino County.

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Eppee probably believes a copy of the Qaran was "planted" in their home too by authorities in San Bernardino County.

I think you fail to understand that being Muslim is not what make them terrorists ....

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I think you fail to understand that being Muslim is not what make them terrorists ....

Fair enough. As long as tens of thousands of islamic refugees end up here, I'll be happy. The ones already here, fine. But no more. No exceptions.

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@anotherexpat,

As a moderate, I view Mr. Trump as a plant by Mrs. Bill Clinton. Mr. Trump is businessman first, and he expects Mrs. Clinton to reward him handsomely if she gets elected.

But on this particular issue, I do agree with Mr. Trump. I personally think he is sincere about wanting to protect the lives of Americans; something I do not see the other candidates running for POTUS are willing to do.

As for the Goldwater comparison, he was very hawkish about Vietnam in the mid-1960's; Johnson ran as a dove (of course, being VP to a sitting president who was killed played a bigger role in getting elected in '64). However, he changed his tune as the Vietnam Conflict drug on and wound up not to running for a second term because of him hearing the daily chants of, "Hey, hey, LBJ. How many kids did you kill today" outside the White House gates. Vietnam finally came to an end during a republican administration.

So, short term, a democrat has a good chance of winning next year. But, given the crop that's out there, their willingness to kow-tow to Muslims out of political correctness will doom that party in the years to come . . . .

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Trump is mostly very wrong. On everything. Now, for everyone attacking Trump, what's your suggestion for eliminating the threat of jihadists not only in the US, but anywhere?

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For those who keep saying what Trump proposes is unconstitutional, you should read this from the US laws:

U.S. Code 1182 Inadmissible Aliens Suspensions of entry or imposition of restrictions by the President. Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or class of aliens admitted into the United States would be detrimental to the United States he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.

So there is a legal precedent already on the books.

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As a moderate....

Tex, you're moderate in terms of current GOP zeitgeist, and that is exactly the problem I'd mentioned yesterday: During normal times, your positions would be extremist.

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Is Trump aware that we ended up recognizing that was unconstitutional

actually, this is wrong. SCOTUS ruled that it was constitutional under the War Powers granted to presidents. it was def a sad day in the US when this ruling was made (korematsu vs. US).

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"So, short term, a democrat has a good chance of winning next year. But, given the crop that's out there, their willingness to kow-tow to Muslims out of political correctness will doom that party in the years to come . . . ."

You should be more concerned about the citizens who won't stand up to the threat of extremist ideas. You claimed to have seen offensive pictures regarding 9/11 hanging on the walls of a petrol station I presume you believed to be owned by Muslims and yet you didn't ask the people to remove them. If you are not prepared to get tough, I don't see why you should expect the government get tough.

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Trump is merrily taking the Republican party to extinction.

It's exquisite to watch our JT radicals defend Trump's repugnant rhetoric as their usual leaders scramble to distance or as seems more the case disown themselves completely.

This has to be the end for Trump as a Republican candidate. The establishment will make sure of it. They're in total sphincter winking mode right now. No matter what document he allegedly signed he'll end up running as an independent, his ego will demand it. As will his foaming at the mouth supporters.

When Hillary is sworn in it won't just be thanks to voters. It will also be thanks to Donald J Trump and the insane Republican party he leads right now.

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100% of global Radical Islamic violence is carried out by Muslims

Get a black suit - the Special Intelligence Unit wants you!

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I'm just sitting here watching the Dems-n-Reps go round-n-round

Oh how I love to watch them spin

No longer on their rubberneck merry-go-round

I just had to let it go

GO TRUMP!!!

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...their usual leaders scramble to distance or as seems more the case disown themselves completely.

Until the uncomfortable question of whether they'd vote for Trump if he were the GOP nominee arises. Then they waffle.

This has to be the end for Trump as a Republican candidate.

And the question is, what then? Trump is not leading the GOP race because of his looks; his supporters demand extremism, and his job is simply to feed the beast. Look at Cruz slyly creeping behind Trump, parroting his ideas in less offensive words and not offering any blandishment as he waits to receive Trump's supporters like treats from a bursting pinata. Would the GOP - not to mention the US - do any better with Cruz? Or Rubio? It is all such a mess that even I, a staunch Democrat, cannot wait for this election to be over.

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is this guy real? I think he's just alienated all of the USA muslims, is this not playing into ISIS hands? does this guy have a brain cell? in stead of going forward together with US muslims in public relations, and trying to route out anti and the haters of western culture, its done the opposite! I listened to him on the radio yesterday and we could not believe what he was saying,

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This is actual what the enemy wants. They want a bloke like this Trump. Trump is demonising every ethic group he can offend in USA and this is better then any propaganda Isil can produce online. I bet Isil have a Trump fund going.

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Laguna,

It is becoming pretty frightening the noise from the insane wing of the Republicans. I've said for years the party needs to be disbanded to do away with the screaming radicals. Let them form a new party with Trump at the helm. May they shriek from the sidelines and provide unlimited comedy.

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Just following on from Madverts, Trump tweeted:

"A new poll indicates that 68% of my supporters would vote for me if I departed the GOP & ran as an independent"

It looks like he hasn't taken the nuclear option off the table.

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Madverts: It's exquisite to watch our JT radicals defend Trump's repugnant rhetoric as their usual leaders scramble to distance or as seems more the case disown themselves completely.

No, no, no....if we look at the Constitution and write volumes and volumes of logical data we can clearly see than an unworkable plan to ban all Muslim travel to the US really is quite reasonable. Now I don't always agree with Trump, but...

This has to be the end for Trump as a Republican candidate.

Why? Our problem was that we were giving the average GOP voter too much credit. We thought they would be shocked and throw Trump to the side. That's where we were wrong; they love this stuff. No one is surprised at what Trump says but what's shocking is how he has support from every right leaning member of JT. Who would have thought these people we were talking to all these years would actually support a ban on Muslims?

Trump isn't an outsider to the party, he is the party. The beauty of Trump is that he's exposing the nature of the party to everyone, and the RNC is helpless to stop it.

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America has got it's hands full with this guy. This is just for starters, Trump will "shoot himself in the foot" over these extreme views and comments and take a lot of people down to that level. Heaven help us, and quick!!! 8 years of Obama and now this? America needs true and resolute Leadership, and He Ain't It!!!! Who's next.... Clinton? OH GOD HELP US!!!!

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If anyone wants to know how someone like Trump could say all the outrageous, bigoted, fascistic things he says and still keep a public following, the explanation is right in front of us.

In this forum, like thousands of forums across the Internet, the moderators delete comments if they say anything hostile, negative, or even adopt a snide tone toward another user. That's fine. That's perfectly alright.

But the moderation permits open bigotry against Muslims in post after post, story after story. The implicit assumption there is that an insult on Muslim people collectively cannot be as bad as a personal attack on any user here because Muslims aren't users of this forum. They are different from us. So moderation does not protect them with anywhere near the speed and aggression that it protects us.

Multiply this bias by the number of Internet fora in the English-speaking world where such bias is permitted, and it quickly becomes easy to see how Trump gets away with everything he does.

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I will vote for him just because I can.

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It is becoming pretty frightening the noise from the insane wing of the Republicans. I've said for years the party needs to be disbanded to do away with the screaming radicals. Let them form a new party with Trump at the helm. May they shriek from the sidelines and provide unlimited comedy.

@ Madverts and others, a poll conducted back in Nov 2015, before the current issue at hand conducted by the Public Religion Research Institute found the following. 76% of Republican voters said Islam's values were "at odds" with American values and way of life. White evangelicals (73%) and white working-class Americans (67%) were other groups that showed high animosity toward Muslims.

"Majorities of every major Christian religious group say that Islam is incompatible with American values and way of life," the survey found, including white mainline Protestants (63%t), Catholics (61%), and black Protestants (55%). About 57 % of political independents and 42%of Democrats agreed with the "at odds" assessment about Islam, while the overall rate was 56%.

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Ironic isn't it - loads of gun crime and he says we need MORE guns so the good guys can stop the bad guys. Some terrorists are Muslim so surely he should want MORE Muslims in the country so the good Muslims can stop the bad Muslims!

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Super,

Trump isn't an outsider to the party, he is the party. The beauty of Trump is that he's exposing the nature of the party to everyone, and the RNC is helpless to stop it.

Exquisite. Isn't it? :)

Thankfully they're nothing but an insane minority!

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Thankfully they're nothing but an insane minority!

Yeah, well, let's hope that is so. Don't forget 2000.

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I was quite young at the time but I remember the hoohar when Bush junta seized the Whitehouse.

They haven't stopped subverting the democratic process ever since to be fair. One more reason to encourage every person to get out and vote and keep the loonies from power.

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Just for fun, read : 8U.S.C. 1182

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Alphaape i'm glad to see there is someone who understands.

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If they can ban Christians, we should be allowed to ban Muslims until -- as Mr. Trump advocates -- the U.S. government sorts out our dog's dinner of an immigration policy. . .

@Texas, Well this is America and people are able to practice any religion they want as long as they do not kill for their religion like those 2 who killed 14 and injured 14 in the name of ISIS or that christian who shot up an abortion clinic and took hostages.

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The comb over reminds me of Mike Tyson when he fought Holyfield the second time.Like Tyson,Trump knows he's going to lose but doesn't want to be humiliated...so proclaims something outrageous to make himself unelectable and will pull out, yet say he had the people's support.He still has support including some on this site.Jeez pathetic really.

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Trump is saying whatever he can to get votes. That's how Democracy works. The person with the most believable load of crap wins. Trump's running mate is either going to be his ego or his toupee.

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HollisBrownDEC. 09, 2015 - 07:07PM JST Some terrorists are Muslim so surely he should want MORE Muslims in the country so the good Muslims can stop the bad Muslims!

Good muslims stopping bad muslims. What fantasy movie have you been watching??When has that EVER happened??

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Good muslims stopping bad muslims. What fantasy movie have you been watching??When has that EVER happened??

Heh, someone missed the fact that it was a parody of the NRA saying less people would get shot if more people had guns.

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it was a parody of the NRA saying less people would get shot if more people had guns.

Depends on "which" people had the guns. I rather live in a middle class or an upper-middle class community (in US) of christian law abiding gun owners.

I would not want to live in ANY community (in US) where muslims are armed and are radicalizing with ISIS. Especially the ones bringing their radical wives into the picture from the ME.

Those couples should stay in Saudi, Pakistan or better yet- Raqqa. The husband (Farook) could've relocated with Tashfeen to her "native" country. He was a "devout" muslim, so the Spouse Visa to her country would have been a "GO."

People like this do not belong in the United States of America, period.

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It's also why many European countries are losing their individual cultures, and you people are responsible for the Paris attacks.

. . . . But . . . . But, how can you blame them Rick? They're peaceful. It was all a conspiracy. There were no Jihadists involved in the Paris attacks 11/13 nor earlier this (same) year (2015) when they slashed the Charlie Hebdo staff.

Heh. Thousands of refugees avoiding deportation, roam Germany and Eastern Europe. Europe has changed forever, libs need to put "that" in their pipes & smoke it.

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Wc626: I rather live in a middle class or an upper-middle class community (in US) of christian law abiding gun owners.

Plus 30,000 dead Americans at the hands of guns yearly. Don't forget to include that tidbit of collateral damage, all so you can feel "safe."

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@Wc626 Finally, someone normal on here! But sadly, us norms are outnumbered on this site lol. I think some people just think it's fashionable to be liberal without even thinking of the consequences.

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Trump rejects criticism of his proposal to ban all Muslims from entering U.S.

Is anyone surprised? For his entire life it has always been "his way or the highway" when it comes to dealing with him.

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Plus 30,000 dead Americans at the hands of guns yearly.

You don't say . . . . 30,000 dead? Big # indeed. Perhaps the gangbangers doing their "drive-bye's" in their hoods every weekend across america's ghettos should account for malicious shootings. Don't forget the drug dealers, cop killers and illegal immigrants who shoot too.

. . . . All of them not coming from nice neighborhoods, uneducated and do not have careers.

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Is anyone surprised? For his entire life it has always been "his way or the highway" when it comes to dealing with him.

Putting pro-Trump or Anti-Trump aside, it's his way of thinking that made him so successful today.

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Plus 30,000 dead Americans at the hands of guns yearly. Don't forget to include that tidbit of collateral damage, all so you can feel "safe."

I'm a proponent of gun control, but even I have to challenge you on this number. The latest data from the CDC is for 2013 and the TOTAL number of homicides in 2013 - regardless of method - was 16,121 (5.1 deaths per 100,000 population). The number of deaths by firearms in 2013 was 11,208 (3.5 deaths per 100,000 population) or 69.5% of all homicides in 2013. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm

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Trump tactic remind me of those racist political party in Malaysia, UMNO, who like to instil Chinese phobia to get votes/support.

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76% of Republican voters said Islam's values were "at odds" with American values and way of life. White evangelicals (73%) and white working-class Americans (67%) were other groups that showed high animosity toward Muslims.

Thanks Alphaape. No need for a link. Those of us who know america, "know" for the most part these figures ring near true.

"Majorities of every major Christian religious group say that Islam is incompatible with American values and way of life,"

Very incompatible.

Pretty soon they'll want the state they reside in to "acknowledge" their polygamous marriages to their 3 (or more) wives. Their argument will be that the LGBT have achieved proper legislation. Worse, they might even get a tax break from the IRS compared to normal ordinary working-americans . . . .

Its complete nonsense.

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Alphaape:

"For those who keep saying what Trump proposes is unconstitutional, you should read this from the US laws:"

Further up the the thread, you wrote: "since people who are not US citizens are not protected by the US Constitution"

This statement is demonstrably false. Since you got something so simple so wrong, it seems fairly obvious that when it comes to what is and what is not constitutional, you have no idea what you are talking about.

That said, please, by all means, continue citing random statutes and opine that Muslims should be barred from entering the US. Heck, try to persuade me. Heck, you may be right!

And for every right winger in the choir who echoes Trumps little fanstasy, you drive two moderates towards Team Democrat and two potential Latino voters to the polls.

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you drive two moderates towards Team Democrat and two potential Latino voters to the polls.

A total of four points to the tally then.

Great, cause Latinas are catholic. And Catholic women are some of the biggest "hoochies". Tack on another 20 points for Mia Khalifa.

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Putting pro-Trump or Anti-Trump aside, it's his way of thinking that made him so successful today.

That would be because he ran his businesses like a tyrant and when business deals didn't go his way he abandoned them like yesterday's fish soup. You can't DO that as a politician and CERTAINLY not as President of the U.S. and so-called "Leader of the Free World". What's he going to do the first time Congress doesn't pass one of his bills... look into the camera, point at the lens and say, "You're fired!"? The only country Donald Trump is qualified to run is North Korea.

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BREAKING: Trump Calls for Total Ban on Algebra

He explains:

"All that algebra stuff. The Muselmen invented that. Look it up. I didn't. But I remember seeing it on TV. Huge. Yea, so the Muselmen invented it. Al Gebra. Sounds like Al Queda. Right?

I was forced to learn that in school, by the way, I don’t know if you were too, but that’s total Sharif if I ever saw it, and that’s how they brainwash kids to join ISIS. What’s algebra gonna do to make America great again? We don’t need more equations! Here's my equation America + Muselmen = Not great. SImple, its just math.

Al Gebra. Yeah, just saying, ya can't trust those "Al" things. Al Gore. Jeees, what a loser. And take Al Hambra, in Southern California. That's a real city! Named after some holy Muselman site. You know, if we let them in, they're gonna rename New York to Al Yorquife or something like that. I'm serious. You know I am, and Los Angeles to Al Hang-Less, or whatever. Its true, believe me. We're gonna hafta look into that too.

That's the trouble with the Muselmen. They wanna come here, but not join America. Y'know, some say "Oh, they're not all terrorists!" Well, yeah, maybe, But they ain't Americans. And don't want to be. Take me: my original family name was Drumf. A beautiful, name, sure. But German. So, what did my father, I think my father. Maybe my grandfather. I look into it. Anyways, what did my father do? He changed it to Trump. That's American!

But these, Muselmen just want to come here, and even if they aren't, y'know, terrorists, they don't want to be Americans. Just like the Mexicans, who, y'know, don't really have much class. Yeah, no the Mexicans come here with their drugs and their rapes and, y'know, what I mean...They don't assimilate. That's the point.

And eventually they're gonna, y'know, the Mexican start renaming everything to Mexican, ah, Spanish. Which is an ok language for Mexicans, but not America! Yea, they're already trying to change Los Angeles to some Mexican name. Seriously. We better look into that.

So that's why we need a wall. To keep out the Mexican rapists. And the Muselmen terrorists. But not the Slavs. 'Cause they're sexy. Its true. I've brought in three as wives already.

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The only country Donald Trump is qualified to run is North Korea.

North Korea doesn't have foreigners living among them who'd like to "blow them up". Or consider letting a radical (or potential radical) element(s) into their country- even if they could support them. They actually take that 58th parallel seriously.

This is what the US should do. Block the refugees who have no right to "enter" the US in the 1st place.

Asses the situation. Keep a watchful eye among shady transactions and travels abroad of US Muslims.

Crank up the air campaign with France & UK. Finally, Discourage muslims (already in the US) from importing their 3rd,4th or even 5th islamic (concubines) wives from places like Pakistan, Saudi & Raqqa into the United States of America.

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@Wc626

Crank up the air campaign with France & UK. Finally, Discourage muslims (already in the US) from importing their 3rd,4th or even 5th islamic (concubines) wives from places like Pakistan, Saudi & Raqqa into the United States of America.

Nice racist rant! You don't represent my views nor most of the people of the United States of America, but nice rant regardless! Kudos.

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What's he going to do the first time Congress doesn't pass one of his bills... look into the camera, point at the lens and say, "You're fired!"?

Oh wouldn't that be great!

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Oh wouldn't that be great!

If you are a nihilist, yeah.

That is your problem: you're happy to burn it all down just because you (feel as if you have) lost.

You are no patriot. You are much worse than a sore loser.

You are a nihilist.

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You don't represent my views nor most of the people of the United States of America, but nice rant regardless! Kudos.

Many here are US Department of Defense employees, people paid by the government (and the US taxpaying public) to defend US values and laws. I'm curious if they're allowed to espouse their antagonistic beliefs about people who look and believe differently from themselves at work. I hope not: I want to remain under the impression that the US actually stands for equality and stands behind its laws to ensure protection of all.

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Conspiracy TheoriesDEC. 10, 2015 - 01:27AM JST Is anyone surprised? For his entire life it has always been "his way or the highway" when it comes to dealing with him. Putting pro-Trump or Anti-Trump aside, it's his way of thinking that made him so successful today.

Well, that and inheriting a family fortune and connections and business, being able to make investments with other people's money, and filing for bankruptcy every time he makes a stupid decision with other people's money so he doesn't have to pay it back. That also helped him become so successful today. If multiple bankruptcies counts as "success".

It's pretty easy to refuse to compromise when someone else is footing the bill.

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I want to remain under the impression that the US actually stands for equality and stands behind its laws to ensure protection of all.

It does. And doesn't. I view America as the the Enlightenment's -- and therefor civilization as we understand it -- last great defender. That belief could by cynically viewed as much an act of hope, or even will, as a sober assessment of history, particularly in light of Trump's shamelessly crude demagoguery and rabble rousing, along the lines of Father Coughlin, McCarthy and George Wallace.

Trump just preened: "A new poll indicates that 68% of my supporters would vote for me if I departed the GOP & ran as an independent." There’s nothing subtle about that. Nothing smart about it either—68% of 35% is 24%. So 24% of Republicans say they'll go with Trump. That translates to a staggering 10% or 11 % of the presidential-year electorate. I'm sure movement conservatives havn't done the math (see above for their hatred of all things Muslim) and so will gleefully running and losing as a fringe third-party Real American™ candidate

Outside movement conservative bubble, the general revulsion being heaped towards Trump's crude bigotry attests to the average American's plain decency.

We don't need to ignore Trump's self-promotionatory b.s.; he speaks for a small percentage petulant, load losers Americans. Who are, ironically, handing Team Democrat not only the White House, which we were strongly favored to win because of, yeah, math, but all the down ticket offices as well.

And I'm lovin' it.

Regardless, as a matter of immigration law as applied to domestic questions, it is

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This statement is demonstrably false. Since you got something so simple so wrong, it seems fairly obvious that when it comes to what is and what is not constitutional, you have no idea what you are talking about.

@ Black Sabbath: That's not a false statement that people who are not US citizens are covered by the US constitution. If you are a visitor to the US on an visa, the US has the right to revoke your visa and send you out if you violate our laws. We can't do that to a US citizen. Even during the 2nd Iraq war, and the big a do about the treatment of prisoners in Abu Gharab, the guards didn't violate the prisoners "constitutional rights" but they violated (supposedly) the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice) in how they were supposed to treat enemy combatants, and enemy combatants are covered under the Geneva conventions on treatment of prisoners.

An immigrant in a foreign country, who is not a US citizen is not covered by the provisions in the constitution. No one has a "right" to come to the USA. Even the earlier post by me shows the President does have the authority to deny entry to certain persons.

Outside movement conservative bubble, the general revulsion being heaped towards Trump's crude bigotry attests to the average American's plain decency.

Again looking at my earlier post, it's not just the republicans who don't want this or think that Islam is not compatible with US values. At least 42% of Dems and at least 55% of Blacks (who mostly vote Dem) who were polled thought sho. Bernie Sanders or Hillary or any Dem running for President would love to have a sampling of those types of numbers behind them. So you belief that it is just a GOP thing and not the general US public is false.

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Mc676: Can you tell the difference between a USA christain law abiding gun owner and a USA Muslim law abiding gun owner. One wears a Police uniform and the other a tea towel. I am referring to the recent the two muslim who were deem good law abiding muslims when given their Visa,s and the recent high numbers defenceless blacks being mowed down by Police. The social fribic is wearing thin in the USA and with a population armed to the teeth with unconventional weapons and a Presidental candidate going around demonising every ethic group he can offend, things can only get worse!!!

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Alpha

Again, you wrote: "What Trump is proposing would not be unconstitutional, since people who are not US citizens are not protected by the US Constitution."

What you meant to write was "...since people who are not US citizens and not within US borders or subject to US jurisdiction are not protected by the US Constitution."

You did not. You have partly corrected that error. Not completely.

Regardless, you are correct that no foreigner has the right to enter the US, either to visit, or settle down. You are wrong that the 1st Amendment and the Equal Protection clause in the 14th Amendment does not apply to immigration. IOW, no quotas based on race, religion, or national origin.

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Equal Protection clause in the 14th Amendment does not apply to immigration. IOW, no quotas based on race, religion, or national origin.

@ Black Sabbath: Then I guess you have forgotten your US history. Back in 1980, President Carter during the Iranian Hostage crisis announced that "the Secretary of Treasury [State] and the Attorney General will invalidate all visas issued to Iranian citizens for future entry into the United States, effective today. We will not reissue visas, nor will we issue new visas, except for compelling and proven humanitarian reasons or where the national interest of our own country requires. This directive will be interpreted very strictly."

In November 1979, the Attorney General had given all Iranian students one month to report to the local immigration office. Around 7,000 were found in violation of their visas. Around 15,000 Iranians were forced to leave the US.

Carter did this by invoking the Nationality Act of 1952. A law originally opposed by Democrats for its attempt to restrict Communist immigration to the United States. How about that, a Dem president using a law passed by the GOP to get people out of the country.

In my posting I wrote what is true, maybe not the way you like it, but true. Non US citizens not in the US are not protected by the Constitution. You can use legalese language all you want, but the bottom line is, if you are not a US citizen, in a foreign country and trying to immigrate to the USA, you don't have a constitutional right to do so. The USA has the right to deny you entry.

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Finally, Discourage muslims (already in the US) from importing their 3rd,4th or even 5th islamic (concubines) wives from places like Pakistan, Saudi & Raqqa into the United States of America.

How foreigner wives has Donald Trump, television personality, brought in...?

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If you are a nihilist, yeah.

That is your problem: you're happy to burn it all down just because you (feel as if you have) lost.

You are no patriot. You are much worse than a sore loser.

You are a nihilist.

I hope you know I'm not gonna pay for that therapy session.

For every finger you point at me pal, two are pointing back at YOU.

Who's the REAL nihilist? Just to remind you, 86%, that deserves repeating for a nihilist, 86% of the American public disapproves the job Congress is doing. nihilist's voting for nihilist's, basically. lol

If you want your ME hegemony, you can have your ME hegemony. Take a ride on the rubberneck merry-go-round and vote for Hillary or Rubio.

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Alpha

You're repeating yourself does not make you any more correct. Neither does bringing up old laws that are no longer operational: the 1952 law was largely re-written in 1965, and then subsequently dismantled. Finally, the Iranian is not on point: that had to do with Iran violating diplomatic protocol when they took over our embassy.

I am sorry about all this "legalese" and how it seems to confuse you. I do not apologize for trying to explain the constitution and the law using, gasp, legal language and analysis.

But hey. I could be wrong. I don't think so, but, what do I know?

Only this: please, oh, please, oh, please, keep on talking about how its just as American as baseball and apple pie to have a religious test for potential Americans. Keep on doing it! 'Cause its a winner. Your stats tell you that!!!!! American don't like Muselmen!!!!!!

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That would be because he ran his businesses like a tyrant and when business deals didn't go his way he abandoned them like yesterday's fish soup. You can't DO that as a politician and CERTAINLY not as President

I never stated anything about if his way of running businesses had anything to do with politics or presidency. I was implying that his way of thinking made him so successful today. Nobody can deny that. Why does everybody need to turn everything into a political arguement. My statement had no strings attached to it.

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I view America as the the Enlightenment's -- and therefor civilization as we understand it -- last great defender.

I think Canada's winning that game right now, ever since they signed on their new Prime Minister.

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I was implying that his way of thinking made him so successful today.

The Great Gatsby applies here.

I think Canada's winning that game right now, ever since they signed on their new Prime Minister.

Oh, I love me some Canada. And Denmark. And New Zealand. But we're talking muscle here.

America, with India, will contain China. And all the others.

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t's pretty easy to refuse to compromise when someone else is footing the bill.

Yes, but he still has more money than all of us.

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Who's the REAL nihilist? Just to remind you, 86%, that deserves repeating for a nihilist, 86% of the American public disapproves the job Congress is doing.

Yep. And they APPROVE of their representative. Which is why they keep getting re-elected.

Pluralistic democracy. Ain't it a b!£¢h. For people like you. People who don't get it. People who, when they lose, want to burn it all down.

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Neither does bringing up old laws that are no longer operational: the 1952 law was largely re-written in 1965, and then subsequently dismantled.

@ Black Sabbath: You logic is failing you. How could a law that was as you say re-written in 1965 and dismantled be the basis for an act ordered by President Carter in 1979 to expel immigrants and visa holders out of the country? The answer is that it was still a viable alternative to be used, and it was not overturned by any US Federal court. Part of the immigration problem we are having in the USA now is that the government is not following the rules we have on the books in regards to illegal immigration and general procedures now. In this case, Trump (if he won) or the present administration would have solid legal standing to do something to control the flow of persons from a particular region of the world into the USA.

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Is Hugo Boss designing the party clothes yet? ;)

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I am sorry about all this "legalese" and how it seems to confuse you. I do not apologize for trying to explain the constitution and the law using, gasp, legal language and analysis.

@ Black Sabbath, in the best legalese I could find, I found an interesting story from this weekend on how Trump's plan would be upheld if someone brought it up.

From a recent article in the Wall Street Journal, they wrote that the US Supreme Court ruling in the 1972 case Kleindienst v. Mandel "strongly suggests the Trump proposal would pass muster," While many argue that the freedom of religion clause of the First Amendment would be violated by any barring of Muslims from entering the U.S., "the government’s authority to set immigration policy, at least as applied to nonresident aliens, outweighs any free-speech claim an alien may wish to assert," as was determined from the ruling..

Of course Supreme Court rulings can be overturned by the courts themselves, but on the face of it if Trump were President, he would have a legal basis on the previous posts I have put up as well as from a prior Supreme court case where he could do it.

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StrangerlandDEC. 09, 2015 - 11:49PM JST

*Good muslims stopping bad muslims. What fantasy movie have you been watching??When has that EVER happened??****

@strangerland :Heh, someone missed the fact that it was a parody of the NRA saying less people would get shot if more people had guns.

Interesting you didn't refute my statement though. Btw, something that is almost always swept under the rug: these "isolated" incidences of muslims carrying out terrorist attacks in europe, USA and other western countries are just the tip of the iceberg. The security forces and police are constantly thwarting and shutting down planned Islamic terrorism operations. The pro immigration media would plaster any examples of these attacks being stopped by "good muslims" over all media if there were actually any examples. But there aren't.

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You think that the police forces in Muslim countries never stop any terrorist attacks? Or you think that police forces in Muslim countries aren't made up of Muslims?

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StrangerlandDEC. 10, 2015 - 04:35PM JST You think that the police forces in Muslim countries never stop any terrorist attacks? Or you think that police forces in Muslim countries aren't made up of Muslims?

But you criticised my statement on muslim immigrants and ordinary citizens and the lack of any action on their part in the prevention of any of these terrorist attacks and plots in the west. Now you've suddenly shifted the argument to Islamic countries (which btw, you are always saying we should leave to their own devices and not concern ourselves with).

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you criticised my statement on muslim immigrants and ordinary citizens and the lack of any action on their part in the prevention of any of these terrorist attacks and plots in the west

Where did you say anything about the west?

you are always saying we should leave to their own devices and not concern ourselves with

And I still say that - but what relevance does that have to the current conversation?

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@strangerland. Oh, well if it hasn't been clear enough, I don't mind what muslims get up to in their own countries as long as they stay there in their Islamic utopias and don't send out terrorists to other nations, flood the west with "refugees", or call for muslims to commit terrorist acts in other (non-Islamic) countries.

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The United States of America is not a theocracy. The Constitution states that,

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Congress passing a law restricting a person's travel based solely on their religion falls afoul of the "prohibiting the free exercise thereof" clause in the First Amendment. It can be argued that "freedom of religion" falls under the Declaration of Independence's "unalienable Rights":

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

If the "pursuit of happiness" means traveling to or from the United States, there is going to have to be some much more specific reason for that travel to be denied than just the person's religion. It has been ruled, for instance, that what a non-citizen has written or said in their current country can be used to bar entry without falling afoul of the First Amendment. Once they are here, however, they are generally protected by the same laws that citizens are protected by.

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Let's make America great again

....by xenophobically rejecting the freedoms, liberties and heritage of tolerance that built that country and are enshrined in the constitution.

What more does this moron need to say to convince everyone that he's a massively unelectable liability?

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I think it would be far more interesting and benficial to discuss whether or not banning muslims from entering the U.S. is a good or moral thing. It's debatable whether or not it's against the constitution, but let's assume it is constitutional to ban them. Is it good? Is it moral? Is what is legal / allowed always good or moral? Should we do it just because it's allowed / legal?

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It's debatable whether or not it's against the constitution

As I pointed out above, it's not debatable at all. Congress cannot pass ANY law restricting what religions can be celebrated in the United States of America. If they should do so, it would be quickly (well, as quick as it takes to make it to the Supreme Court) ruled unconstitutional. You have to have some OTHER reason for barring people from entering the country besides what religion they believe in and it has to be applied to an individual not a group... Radical tweets or posts, pictures waving an ISIS flag, etc.

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The original quote (on CNN) was 'until we can safely screen them' but the latter half got cut, it's a better sound bite to bash him with, who cares if it's dishonest? What ever it takes...

The same for the 'wearing a mark' quote. A reporter asked him if he'd make Muslims register and wear identification. Taken aback by the question he clumsily said 'I can't rule anything out'. The next day 'Trump is the new Hitler, says Muslims will wear patches'.

The guy is hideous enough without making stuff up. News outlets now don't hesitate to lie and edit quotes. The whole country is going down the tubes.

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Ha! Let's close of the borders to Muslims is one of those sentences that never end well.

Further, and just as importantly, that is exactly the what Trump counts on. So blaming the media, is silly. He played them.

As for my country. Its doing fine. And getting better each day, 'cause the Republican party is self-immulating, at last.

Hatin on the gays is so 90s. We got ACA, and soon, Medicare for all!

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So you have no problems with completely unethical media? MSNBC edited recordings, all news outlets purposely misquote, they're supposed to report the news, not rewrite it.

America's a two-party system. What are you going to replace the GOP with? Hillary referring to the GOP as ' the enemy' in campaign speeches plays to the lowest common denominator, it gets attention, but if that's what she really thinks (and the President has made similar remarks) then she doesn't belong in the White House.

"one of those sentences that never end well."

Why? He said 'until we can screen them'. As you surely know, the present screening system is a failure. The Boston Marathon bombers were on a watch list, look at how well they were watched....the wife of the couple in California came in on a fiance visa, and lied about where she was from on the application...no one caught it. She posted allegiance to ISIS on FACEBOOK and no one caught it. Do you think the present screening system is effective?

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Here is the full quote:

“total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.”

..."Until our country's bla bla bla." IOW, indefinitely. And certainly longer than a few months. The truncating of the quote to Trump calls for a complete ban on Muslims, is a fair reading of what he said. Ego, whatever problems I may or may not have with the US media is not evident here.

As for my country's two party system, that results from the structure of the federal constitution. No where is it written, there must be two parties, or any parties. (Recall Washington's fear of 'factionalism")

Regardless, the Republican party is broken. B. R.O.K.E.N. Broken. If you like, i can explain in what two ways it is broken. But the end result is the same: In its current from it is a cancer on the body politic of my country. It is the enemy. It must be destroyed. Saying that is not 'the lowest common denominatro." It is recognizing the unassaible truth: Donald Trump, tv personality, and crass rabble rouser, is the most popular Republican in my country. That is objectively wrong, from an American standpoint. You either get that, or you dont.

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What are you going to replace the GOP with?

Split them into two - the tea partiers and the fiscal conservatives. Make it a three party system, or let those two fight until one implodes.

Fiscal conservatism can be a good thing. The 'moral' conservatism of the Republican party of recent is not.

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As you surely know, the present screening system is a failure.

No it is not. That kind exaggeration reveals a complete lack of understanding on your part. The current screening process is one of the best in the world. It can, and will, get, better.

It will never, however, prevent all terrorists from entering my country. That is simply reality. Complete security is impossible.

Closing the borders to all Muslims won't prevent it terrorism. Mmost terrorism is my country comes from Christians. I don't see you gnashing your teeth about that!

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It will never, however, prevent all terrorists from entering my country. That is simply reality. Complete security is impossible.

They should keep out the ones they get warnings for, don't you think? Russian intelligence warned the US about the Boston bombers and they did nothing. That's the kind of slip-shod crap I'm talking about, along with the TSA continually flunking tests.

" An internal Transportation Security Agency (TSA) undercover investigation has revealed that the agency’s airport checkpoints are almost complete failures when it comes to preventing explosives and weapons from being taken onto airplanes, reported ABC News.

To assess the TSA’s performance, Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Red Teams — described by then-TSA administrator John Pistole in 2013 as “super terrorists” who can devise ways to thwart TSA procedures — attempted to smuggle mock explosives or banned weapons through airport checkpoints while posing as airline passengers. Officials briefed on the results of these tests, carried out under the auspices of the DHS inspector general’s office, told ABC News that TSA agents failed 67 out of 70 tests, a failure rate of nearly 96 percent.

“In one test an undercover agent was stopped after setting off an alarm at a magnetometer, but TSA screeners failed to detect a fake explosive device that was taped to his back during a follow-on pat down,” wrote ABC News."

"Citing a congressional report it said could be released by the House of Representatives Homeland Security Committee as soon as Thursday, NBC News said the Russian intelligence agency FSB cabled the FBI about its concerns in March 2011, warning that Tsarnaev was known to have associated with militant Islamists.

The network said the FBI opened an investigation of Tsarnaev that month conducted by a joint task force of federal, state and local authorities. Tsarnaev was interviewed in person, and a memo was sent to the Customs and Border Protection database called TECS that would trigger an alert whenever he left or re-entered the United States." He was also under investigation in a multiple murder in Boston.

I don't expect, and didn't say in any post, that I favored blocking Muslims from entering the country. I do think they should do something about those they get warnings for.

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