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Trump rejects 'phony' polls; insists 'we are winning'

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A day after suggesting the First Amendment to the Constitution may give journalists too much freedom,

Trump knows the majority of his backers care little about the Constitution and the freedoms it was established to ensure. The only part of it most of his followers care about is the 2nd Amendment, which they interpret to mean they have the freedumb to own private arsenals.

What's scary is some in his basket of followers might actually use weapons from their arsenals if they hear Trump's dog whistles to do so.

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Remember when Trump hired a bunch of random contractors to drive heavy equipment around his casino construction lot - to convince investors that a major spurt in construction was underway..... and they bought the subterfuge and lent him more money?

Trump possesses limited imagination and deteriorating intelligence...he is reverting to scams that were successful in his checkered past.

Spiraling down - to the end.

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'We are winning'.

Trump really is in his own little alternate reality world!

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"Make America great again" --NO thank you.

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Who knows? After the fiasco of the Brexit polls he could be right. But in any case he seems determined to take everyone and everything with him if he goes down. It's like watching a train crash.

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Well, if you really want to know more about "deTrumpless" ... check out this site:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/01/28/upshot/donald-trump-twitter-insults.html?_r=1

And please don't tell me: "Oh, yeah, the NY Times."

That's what he did say, that's the way he thinks and that's the way he would be if he was the POTUS.

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"Make America great again" --NO thank you.

Making America great again has nothing to do with Trump.

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Brexit part 2 coming on strong!

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I am so confused. If the electionis rigged against him, how can he be winning?

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Cloud cuckoo land

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Speaking of being unbiased, here's part 3 from Veritas, I so want to read the spin from the hillary crowd before heads officially start rolling.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/EEQvsK5w-jY

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Who knows - he may actually have more people in his corner. Polling is imprecise.

But I don't find that very likely - too many polls show Hillary in the lead.

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Trump knows the majority of his backers care little about the Constitution and the freedoms it was established to ensure.

Actually, they do, that's why they want to vote for Trump, it's the Democratic party that is taking a leak on the Constitution, not to mention undermining the Freedoms of EVERY American as the Wikileaks has been confirming. It's an absolute shame.

The only part of it most of his followers care about is the 2nd Amendment, which they interpret to mean they have the freedumb to own private arsenals.

They should or you think we should put our trust in government, especially this one and if Hillary wins, her???? That will NEVER happen.

What's scary is some in his basket of followers might actually use weapons from their arsenals if they hear Trump's dog whistles to do so.

But it's ok if Democrats use OTHERS to do their dirty working tactics to insight, fight, intimidate and physically assault or hurt people. The NY mafia has traditionally 5 families: Columbo, Gambino, Luchase, Genovese, Bonano and they need to add a 6th, the "Democratic party."

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They should or you think we should put our trust in government, especially this one and if Hillary wins, her????

Ahh, so you think the people should be able to rise up against the government and democracy if they don't agree with the way the majority votes.

Seems legit.

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Its just one big sad state of affairs...

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The only poll that matters is coming up soon. I once thought Ms. Clinton had this in the bag but things just keep getting weirder. Nothing would surprise me at this point.....I do still think she will win although my feelings are not as strong as they were a few weeks ago.

@Strangerland.....I agree with your comment. If the election is legit (at this point there is no indication that it will not be legit), and the majority of people vote for Ms. Clinton, this should be the accepted outcome. If people rise up because they do not like the results of a legitimate election that is anarchy. Not a good thing.

Regardless of what people think about Trump (and what names they call him or there followers) I know alot of very intelligent people supporting him that are not racists, etc. When I talk to these people I can understand their concerns (something has to be done about immigration, loss of manufacturing jobs, etc.). I personally do not think Trump is the answer but I can see how he appeals to people. If there is one thing to be learned from this year's election it is that there is a large segment of the population that feels disenfranchised and left behind by their government. Whoever wins this election needs to figure out how to fix this and I think they need to figure out how to fix it quickly. There are alot of people living on the edge financially and if another event similar to 2008 occurs things can get very weird very quickly in the U.S. (considering the amount of people that are armed).

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The republican party is Trump and Trump is the republican party. Voters will let him know if they want his hateful racist plans or not.

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I do still think she will win although my feelings are not as strong as they were a few weeks ago.

After the revelations from the videos alluding to FEC violations, you best be worried mate!

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Fred......I am not at all a supporter of Ms. Clinton and neither am I a supporter of Mr. Trump.

As I have said before I think Ms. Clinton is more qualified for the job (in spite of the very obvious issues) and the prospect of a Trump presidency would be a bit worrisome.

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I'm still waiting for Trump to suddenly announce that he actually supports the Democratic ticket and was simply screwing with us all along in order to get more people to vote for the Dems.

I mean, nobody can be that stupid, right?

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But I don't find that very likely - too many polls show Hillary in the lead.

Virtually all the media and academic polling ended up with a Republican bias (overestimating Romney) in 2012 also. The way these surveys generally work is to sample a much larger plurality of Democrats than exists in reality and then weight the results on various demographic characteristics. Which have to be unskewed and lead to a host of very dubious assumptions. It isn't doing complacent Hillary supporters any favors in any case by lulling them into a state of overconfidence because she has "won it all" anyway.

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as his path to the presidency shrinks.

The establishments lies are getting thick.

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Americans never cease to amaze me.

In the past month, we've seen hard evidence of the Clinton campaign colluding with the media to direct the narrative, hard evidence of tampering in the primaries, direct contradiction of core policies when speaking to business leaders in the Goldman Sachs transcripts, conspiracy to mislead congress, felony collusion with their SuperPACs, paid protestors inciting violence at Trump rallies admitting their deeds on video, leaks of state secrets and intel, political and private donations from every level of media and polling company, and a one million dollar "birthday present" from Qatar, which was followed by a massive arms deal. And the really scary thing is that's just off the to of my head. There's a lot more.

All of that is out in the open. That's a small amount of what we know so far from the Podesta emails. And despite all of that, Americans are supporting her over Trump - because ..,why, exactly?

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That's all? I thought she killed people, had billions of dollars, will start a war, was dying, lots of things. The things you list seem like a politician. Lord knows if Republicans had their emails hacked it would have similarly embarrassing statements, unless one is naive.

Trump, on the other hand, just isn't qualified and he's an embarrassment as a human being.

Next question?

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Im pretty sure Clinton suppoerters look like the nut jobs, due to the DAILY DAMNING EVIDENCE against Hillary.

PROJECT VERITAS!!!!!!! (youtube it!)

YOU HAVE DNC SPONSORED GROUPS, WITH THEIR LEADERS VISITING THE WHITE HOUSE 100`S OF TIMES ON RECORD (30x + IN 2016!) WHO OPENLY SAY THEY TRAIN AND INCITE VIOLENCE AT TRUMP EVENTS ON CAMERA! AND TAKE MONEY, ON RECORD, VERIFIED BY WIKILEAKS EMAILS, DIRECTLY BY THE DNC!!!!!!

AND

THEIR FACES ARE PLAINLY VISIBLE AT THE RALLIES BEING AGITATORS ON CAMERA!!!!!!

At this point, Hillary supporters are flat out subdued cucks, low information, monsterously irresponsible! You need to wake up!

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And the GOP only engages in gerrymandering and voter suppression. Is there not a YouTube video about it?

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@superlib

Clinton's foundation colluded with drug companies to jack the price of the AIDS medicine it was distributing to third world countries.

Nothing Trump has ever done or even been accused of comes close to that level. How anyone can just brush that off as standard politics is beyond me.

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All of that is out in the open. That's a small amount of what we know so far from the Podesta emails. And despite all of that, Americans are supporting her over Trump - because ..,why, exactly?

I don't think they are necessarily supporting her over Trump. But I do agree with Gingrich. It will be one of the most dangerous times in our history to elect a president that most Americans believe should be in prison instead of the White House.

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“And he’s doing nothing to reach out to them.”

Well, really, it's all the reaching out that got him in this mess...

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Clinton's foundation colluded with drug companies to jack the price of the AIDS medicine it was distributing to third world countries

So? I don't have aids and I don't live in a 3rd world country. And think of everything she did and got away with.....you wouldn't want someone like that going up against Putin? You should be voting her for being such a badass.

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Farmboy: Nice one.

Hard to believe even Trump believes his own propaganda at this stage. To the extent there is any bias in the media, it is a reaction to his grotesque unsuitability and nothing else. Polls are not biased, and as election day approaches more and more people are realising that they have had enough fun and nonsense, and are now preparing to vote for a serious candidate.

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Keep in mind that no Trump "supporters" here have gone on record to say that they will actually vote for him. Not a single one. Even they are thinking in the backs of their minds that maybe Clinton is the better choice

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hokkaidoguyOCT. 25, 2016 - 10:02AM JST

All of that is out in the open. That's a small amount of what we know so far from the Podesta emails. And despite all of that, Americans are supporting her over Trump - because ..,why, exactly?

Take a good, hard look at Donald Trump. I don't think it's that hard to figure out.

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"Polls are not biased, and as election day approaches more and more people are realising that they have had enough fun and nonsense, and are now preparing to vote for a serious candidate."

Rotfl

Are you on Hillary's campaign team? A serious candidate who still had flashbacks about being fired at by snipers until people told her that it never happened. After she realized she "misspoke", the falshbacks stopped. A serious candidate who is extremely careless lied constantly while under investigation and deleted 33,000 emails?

Hillary could probably sell some Americans a bridge in Benghazi. Yeah she could. And nobody could touch her because in court she'd say "I don't recall" over and over again and her husband would have a "friendly chat" with the judge.

She's not serious. I love her comedy lines. Wiped her server? "with a cloth or something?

Problem is nobody is laughing - except her and Bill and Chelsea - all the way to the bank.

Trump will win.

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Are the polls "phony"? Who knows? I sure do not.

However my unofficial "poll" after reading the comments on this article reinforces my belief that both candidates suck.

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Polls are not biased, and as election day approaches more and more people are realising that they have had enough fun and nonsense, and are now preparing to vote for a serious candidate.

Even the pollster/scammers/shills are predicting that they will tighten significantly.

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I need help , I have repeatedly been hearing about Hillary Clintons e-mail scandal, did the leaked emails lead to deaths of Americans ? Bush invaded a country based on lies that led to the death of hundreds of Americans and hundred of thousands of people and the death, sufferings and carnage due to the war Bush started is still continuing till this day. How can a candidate vying to be president boast to not paying taxes, a candidate who has stubornly refused to show his tax return,

This same candidate had this to say about Romney concerning his tax return in 2012

Failed Presidential Candidate,bad messenger for estab! didn't show his tax return until SEPTEMBER 21, 2012, and then only after being humiliated by Harry R,failed one of the dumbest and worst candidates in the history of Republican politics

What an hypocrite, a candidate whose dubious business dealing have led to untold losses to thousands of Americans, who has boasted he groped women and went away with it because he was a star. Imagine what he will do to women if he is the president, he will be holding groping parties and porn orgies in the white house.

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Clinton's foundation colluded with drug companies to jack the price of the AIDS medicine it was distributing to third world countries.

What?! You are clearly either very uninformed or very gullible. Look at the evidence: AIDS medication in Africa now costs 10% of what it did before the Clinton Foundation made it a priority.

http://www.politifact.com/global-news/statements/2016/jun/15/hillary-clinton/clinton-clinton-foundation-helped-9-million-lower-/

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I do wonder how first laddy Bill is going to redecorate the White House. At the very least, Republicans should be grateful that the top of it won't have a neon Trump sign trimmed in gold foil.

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http://www.foxnews.com

Check out the bubble master. 110% in on anti-Clinton.

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hokkaidoguy: Americans never cease to amaze me. In the past month, we've seen ...

And: "In the past month" !!!!

Let alone the 4 decades leading up to it ...

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The republican party is Trump and Trump is the republican party.

The GOP is spot on Washington establishment. Trump was chosen by the people that support him.

Voters will let him know if they want his hateful racist plans or not.

Yes and also depending on how much cheating tactics the Dems choose to employ.

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Poor Donald's attempt to blame his inadequacies on pollsters is prima facie absurd. It's also quite ironic considering his tendency to trumpet online polls, requiring the adults in the room to remind people to distinguish between those and scientific polls.

Because polling is a science. The people who are successful in the field have PhDs in mathematics and statistics. Their bread and butter comes from conducting consumer research for corporations, and while presidential elections are a windfall for them, they have zero incentive to skew their results: Which company would hire a pollster who erroneously predicted a Trump win? They'd likely have greenlighted New Coke.

Anyway, with Donald, it's not the pollsters in particular; he's lashing around to try to identify some scapegoat. It's really quite pathetic; sadder is the third of Americans that seem to be falling for it.

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Hahahaha @ NYT's headline:

Liberals Hope Elizabeth Warren Will Serve as Clinton's Scrutinizer in Chief

Isn't that pretty dumb for a fallback plan?

Why not try NOT endorsing Hillary?

And firing the reporters exposed to be in collusion with her?

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Not surprising that young & female voters are now behind HC. Trump failed to capitalise on Bernie's exit when many of his supporters swore they would/could not rally behind HC.

DT ignored them and instead focused on his anti abortion, ultra liberal, church going voters (who would have never voted for Hillary anyway). He didn't give them anything, no hope and that was imo a massive error. Many voters ( i would have been one of them if i were a yank) moved from Bernie to "?" and finally HC.

Re polls, they often favor 'legit' candidates and hurt populists as 'even' their supporters often feel embarrassed to admit they go for a lunatic yet on d-day always cast their vote for their populist weirdo.

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Polls are not biased, and as election day approaches more and more people are realising that they have had enough fun and nonsense, and are now preparing to vote for a serious candidate.

You mean like the nonsense that Trump delivered at his speech at Gettysburg? Where he told his audience that US taxpayers would be funding his great wall? And then after it was built he would sent the bill to Mexico?

You mean that nonsense? As election day approaches, even people who supported Trump are realizing what fools they have been. Some, of course, will double-down on their foolishness. Trump U had a special name for them.

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“I believe we’re actually winning,” Trump declared during a round table discussion with farmers gathered next to a local pumpkin patch.

Trump then looked up to the sky and shouted, "Oh, Great Pumpkin, where are you?"

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If the other news stations were just more like Fox, who needs facts when you have feelings :P

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The people who are successful in the field have PhDs in mathematics and statistics. Their bread and butter comes from conducting consumer research for corporations.

Would that include the infamous "Nate Silver" as well?

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So sad is Obama! Trying his best to inter-fear with the election.

I love seeing Obama on the plane waving his hands at bill to hurry up. Oh so sad that he thinks his all that.

Trump is nut's but better then Clinton.

Love it when Obama said stop complaining about election being rigged. What would shut him up is saying how bush won a second term?

Yes Trump will win unless votes get found in a school shed with Clinton name all over them like bush did.

How funny that Obama said Trump was nut's or thinking that!! We so nut's that bush won because of that.

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This is clearly a war!

What is at stake? EVERYTHING! Clinton/Bush crime dynasty must not be allowed. Trump is an unexpected outsider!

Oct.23rd 2016

GOLDMAN SACHS CEO SAYS "OF COURSE WE ENGAGE WITH CLINTON", admits support!

Could you sign this?

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov//petition/we-people-ask-congress-meet-emergency-session-about-removing-george-soros-owned-voting-machines-16-states

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The polls are wrong. Over sampling Dems is a fact. No way Hillary can win this. Her crowds are low while Donald draws 10,000+. The DNC busted for inciting violence at Trump rallies was fitting considering how scummy Hillary is. She should be arrested.

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You mean like the nonsense that Trump delivered at his speech at Gettysburg? Where he told his audience that US taxpayers would be funding his great wall? And then after it was built he would sent the bill to Mexico?

You mean that nonsense? As election day approaches, even people who supported Trump are realizing what fools they have been. Some, of course, will double-down on their foolishness. Trump U had a special name for them

.Yes, that is exactly the sort of nonsense I was referring to. We are in agreement.

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LOGIC

Big banks are by far the biggest winners in armed conflicts.

Goldman, JP Morgan Chase, HSBC, Bank of America, Deutsche Bank, Fidelity Investments, etc all paid Clinton.

Hillary was being paid $225,000 per speech in private! Like Bernie Sanders said, "That must be quite a speech. Why don`t you share it with the American people.".

http://www.businessinsider.com/big-banks-paid-hillary-clinton-speeches-bernie-sanders-2016-5

Trump is not bought out by banks! SO YOU HILLARY SUPPORTERS WANT TO BE UNDER DIRECT COMMAND OF BIG BANKS?

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I`m always surprised by all the lefties on hear going on about equality, fairness, acceptance etc. and then go support a corrupt lying politician that has stooped to the lowest of levels as the SOS, a senator and elitist. Stupid.

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The ballots could be scanned and made available for third-party, independent verification, even made available to the public. After all, they don't contain private information.

Some jurisdictions already scan them but then throw away the images.

This page has a photo of one of the high-speed scanners used for this.

They're trying to have all swing-states scan their ballots, and not throw them away.

http://trustvote.org/latest-updates/the-solution-to-vote-fractionalizing/

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bass4funkOCT. 25, 2016 - 10:59AM JST

The GOP is spot on Washington establishment.

So... you're hoping Trump will stick it to the Washington establishment but you'd also like to see the GOP, part of said establishment, hold on to their control of Congress. That would make for a fun Trump presidency, wouldn't it?

Yes and also depending on how much cheating tactics the Dems choose to employ.

Or, for that matter, his own supporters. I don't suppose you've read about a super PAC supporting him that's been illegally soliciting money from foreign donors?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t5e2CTIPQg

And no, that's not The Guardian or the BBC, but The Daily Telegraph. But then again I suppose they're all a bit liberal by your standards.

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Trump is winning, I agree. It will be great to see after the election how all of these rigged polls explain themselves.

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Trump is winning, I agree. It will be great to see after the election how all of these rigged polls explain themselves

So you have determined trump is winning. Based on what? If the polls cannot be believed, then you must have some other more accurate way of determining that he is most definitely winning. I'm curious as to what that is. Please enlighten us as to this accurate method of determining this.

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Describing the vid Fred posted a link to:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEQvsK5w-jY

Rigging the Election – Video III: Creamer Confirms Hillary Clinton Was PERSONALLY Involved

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/24/new-okeefe-video-hillary-clinton-approved-robert-creamer-plan-directly/

New O’Keefe Video: Hillary Clinton Approved Robert Creamer Plan Directly - 24 Oct 2016

James O’Keefe’s Project Veritas has released video evidence that left-wing organizer and high-level Democratic Party operative Robert Creamer is, in fact, linked directly to Hillary Clinton, who personally approved at least one of his disruptive tactics. ... Last week, O’Keefe produced video showing Creamer, the co-founder of the Democracy Partners consulting group, and his colleague, Scott Foval, discussing their past and present efforts to incite violence at Donald Trump rallies and other events. ... Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook tried to evade the controversy by denying a direct link between Creamer and the campaign. ... Now, however, O’Keefe and Project Veritas have released video of Creamer claiming that Clinton directly approved one of his more bizarre plans — an effort to attract media attention and incite violence by dressing an activist in a Donald Duck costume and sending that activist into Trump events, emphasizing the argument that Trump was “ducking” releasing his tax returns. ... Creamer has also been closely linked with the White House and with President Barack Obama himself. He is listed as having visited the White House some 342 times since Obama took office, 47 of which were with Obama himself. ... In response to the denials, O’Keefe told Breitbart News: “We have hours and hours of footage, including audio recordings of phone calls between Robert Creamer and the White House.”

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Absentee ballot sent: voted for Trump!

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Smug, complacent liberals should take a look at what happened in the Brexit vote. Huge turnout of Trump supporters on polling day will put Donald in theWhitehouse and Shillary in jail.

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@dharmadan

I am not sure what will happen in the case of this election but one thing for sure is that voter turnout will be a very big factor in this election. The one way Trump might actually win would be if the Democrats have a low voter turnout.

Whether one likes Trump or not he does draw large energized crowds and his speeches and rallies seem to have a higher attendance than Ms. Clinton's. If that reflects the voter turnout it could lead to a surprise Trump victory.

Time will tell.

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Tokyo-engr - I agree. It's one of the reasons I say polls don't matter. Every poll in the world could show one candidate winning, but if the people polled, and the people they represent, don't get out there and vote, the candidate they said in the poll won't win.

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I truly hope this is just ego bluster talking.

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Mental.

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Why I know that Trump is winning is that all of his supporters have been called every name in the world for supporting him. So a lot of them have gone underground to avoid having to explain how they are not racist, sexist, and all these other new made up words that are used. I am voting Trump but I just tell people Hillary is going to win. They seem happy but then dont discuss their plans to actually vote (or mention they are glad to hear she will win, so now they dont feel guilty that they didnt even register, so cant vote).

The polls always ask 7-10% more Democrats than Republicans. How do we know that many more DEMS will vote than REPUBS? There is no enthusiasm for Clinton but tons for Trump. 500,000+ attendees at Trump rallies vs 31,000 at Clinton rallies since 1 August as one example. 24% of Clinton supporters in Florida admitted they still may vote Trump, as another.

This is despite the unfair social stigma associated with supporting Trump. For every 1 public supporter he has 2-3 just waiting until their private time in the voting booth to put the final stake in the Clinton vampire.

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Any generic GOP candidate SHOULD have won this cycle; three consecutive presidential terms by any party is unusual. Politics is not badminton, though, but from the start, Trump seems to have considered the race for the highest-elected office on the planet to be so. All of his personal faults aside, he did not do his homework. He did not prepare. He seems to have assumed that, if he simply showed up, he would win. Now he is losing, so he's looking for someone to dump this on.

Clinton is smart. Very, very smart. She's outmaneuvered Trump at every turn. But it will get worse for him in these last two weeks. Where is his ground game? Where is his get out the vote plan? Where is his cooperation with local politicians and political entities? All signs show zero in these areas; in fact, down-ticket candidates seem to be running from him as quickly as possible, and the RNC has removed their support - why should they spend precious time and money on a guy who has brought nothing but disaster to their party?

Trump will be sad to have lost. He will be sadder when history writes as his footnote that he lost because of stupidity and hubris. Clinton is not even competing against him anymore; she has turned her attention to ensuring a Senate majority and bulking up House races. She's ignoring him, and that she both can and should with over two weeks remaining is a glaring sign of his ineptitude.

Say what you want about the complexities of the US presidential election system, but it does separate the wheat from the chaff. Why anyone would still support Trump after continuous demonstrations of astounding deficiency is amazing.

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Trump and Trump supporters dont want any of the above. They dont want RNC support, dont want Paul Ryan's endorsement, they dont want cooperation with career politicians, dont care about down ticket people who should be supporting but who are not. If they did, Trump wouldn't have been the nominee. Didnt Jeb Bush/Rubio/Cruz have all that? Yet they lost to Trump?

Trump supporters want something different and someone who is not Washington DC. Someone who is not bought and paid for by foreign donors, banks and the "establishment elites". Someone who puts America's interests ahead of themselves, their family foundation and money for speeches. There are a lot of other people who could have been in Trump's position, but he is the last hope left. So the voters either give him a chance and see, or give up and vote Clinton knowing what they get and knowing its not what is best for America.

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“The media isn’t just against me. They’re against all of you,” Trump told cheering supporters later in St. Augustine. “They’re against what we represent.”

Racism? Bigotry? Misogyny? Hatred? You may be on to something, Mr. Trump. The whole point of freedom of the press is to express ideas and opinions spurred by the events occurring around us. While there are certainly media outlets out there that like what Trump espouses the fact that the vast majority of media outlets find Trump's -- and by extensions, yes, his supporter's -- version of American politics obnoxious and offensive should tell you something, and no, not that it's a rigged system.

As an example, if you're being an intentionally drunken, obnoxious, bigoted a-hole at your niece's wedding and the hosts and guests tell you to put a lid on it, that's not a sinister plot. That's reasonable people telling you you've gone overboard. And you should take the hint.

This is the Trump campaign in a nutshell: Just like the drunken uncle analogy, sure, it was all fun and games in the beginning, but after a while, enough became enough, especially when drunk uncle started bragging about assaulting the bridesmaids.

Yes, the conspiracy against Trump is real. But it's a conspiracy to get that embarrassing drunk uncle off the stage before he makes a mockery of the entire ceremony with his calculated obnoxiousness.

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Why I know that Trump is winning is that all of his supporters have been called every name in the world for supporting him. So a lot of them have gone underground to avoid having to explain how they are not racist, sexist, and all these other new made up words that are used. I am voting Trump but I just tell people Hillary is going to win. They seem happy but then dont discuss their plans to actually vote (or mention they are glad to hear she will win, so now they dont feel guilty that they didnt even register, so cant vote).

Ahh I get it. Your belief that Trump is winning is supported by the fact that people have called him names, and that's more accurate than polls that ask a wide range of people from various demographics, and use scientific principles to determine how the people are feeling as a group.

Seems legit.

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Nice try, thats not what I said. The polls are NOT a wide range of people from various demographics. As Wikileaks showed the polls are from a narrow range of people, more Democrats than will be voting and taken from any of the demographics who are most likely to not like Trump. Why did CNN pick 58% of Clinton supporters for a group and say she won the debate because 57% of that group said she won? Media bias.....plain and simple.

As far as name calling, why am I called sexist, racist, stupid etc if I support Trump yet Clinton supporters are not called "liars and cheaters" if they support her? Its all one way, and people are tired of it and it will be shown on election day.

Just wait until everyone gets their Obamacare letters on 1 November showing their health care premiums have just doubled or tripled with a decrease in benefits.I think that will be the final blow. No one cares about Trump's personal characteristics. we are electing a president not looking for a "perfect" new best friend.

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The polls are NOT a wide range of people from various demographics.

Ahh I get it. Your belief that Trump is winning is supported by the fact that people have called him names, and that's more accurate than polls that ask a small range of people from various demographics, and use scientific principles to determine how the people are feeling as a group.

Seems legit.

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I'm sure "the drunk uncle" story sells great with the Hillary lackeys but I'd rather have a drunk uncle at my wedding than a warmongering psychopath.

Liar? Warmonger? Weapons saleswoman of the year? Wall Street stooge? Corporate sell out?

there's a reason Jeb Bush, after spending 120 million wasn't successful. People are tired of the lies and phony promises. And that's why Hillary will lose.

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Ah... everyday is a day closer to the end of Trump.

And this is interesting:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-book-donor-money_us_580e7b09e4b02444efa4e7c4

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As far as name calling, why am I called sexist, racist, stupid etc if I support Trump

This is interesting: The Trump Train music video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zegsu_1xuaQ

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I just want this ridiculous election over. Hillary sucks, but she will be the next POTUS.

Trump is not 'anti-establishment' he IS the establishment. He is the money that pays the politicians to do his bidding. He is the greedy billionaire that ships jobs overseas. He is the traitor that buys Chinese steal and shuts down even more factories and kills small towns. He is the rich man who can't even give to charity without scamming other people to donate the actual money, then takes credit when it is filtered through his sham foundation.

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I admit that Trump is more "establishment" himself than I would like. But the chance of anyone getting as far as he did who is anti-establishment is zero. Because the establishment wont allow it. Trump has just survived this long because he is rich and doesn't care what people say about him.

I think Trump will win. I hope Trump will win. I have four votes in my family and all 4 are going to Trump. if he doesnt win, America as we have known it is done. But my life will continue on, just somewhere else where the society and government is more in line with how I think things should be.

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Trump is not 'anti-establishment' he IS the establishment. He is the money that pays the politicians to do his bidding. He is the greedy billionaire that ships jobs overseas. He is the traitor that buys Chinese steal and shuts down even more factories and kills small towns. He is the rich man who can't even give to charity without scamming other people to donate the actual money, then takes credit when it is filtered through his sham foundation.

That's the truth. The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing people he doesn't exist. That's what Trump has done in convincing his Strumpets that he isn't establishment.

He has literally never done anything to show that he is for the people, other than saying he is. Yet these people take his words at face value, and put no value on the things he has actually done.

So much for actions speaking louder than words.

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“I believe we’re actually winning,”

Yes, well, bass4funk has said many times his kids still believe in Santa Claus -- even six years ago! Trump is in full denial mode, now. And he's now taking his daughter down with him, as thousands upon thousands are calling for shopping malls and other places with Ivanka Trump clothes to have them removed. She can't claim to be a feminist and support a man who brags about sexually assaulting women and walking in on little girls.

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@Blacklabel

You stated, "As far as name calling, why am I called sexist, racist, stupid etc if I support Trump yet Clinton supporters are not called "liars and cheaters" if they support her?"

I do not support Trump but I agree with you, name-calling is unnecessary and immature. Better to just to provide rationale as to why you support or do not support a candidate.

@Strangerland - Interesting video. And it does show the Trump supporters engage in the same activity as the Clinton supporters.

Again - immature and unnecessary behavior by Trump supporters.

I also found Ms. Clinton's comment calling Trump supporters "deplorables" equally offensive.

Trump has made equally offensive comments.

Albeit interesting, this is what this year's election devolved into

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I think Trump will win. I hope Trump will win. I have four votes in my family and all 4 are going to Trump.

Ahh, so this is what you are believing to be more accurate than the polls that ask a bunch of various people and use scientific principles. Four votes in your family are going to Trump, so this means Trump is going to win.

Seems legit.

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Fizzbit,

Liar? Warmonger? Weapons saleswoman of the year? Wall Street stooge? Corporate sell out?

Stop flapping your gums and back all of that up. Proof. Proof. Proof.

If there's any one theme that will come from this campaign, it's this: Simply saying something is so won't make it true.

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Blacklabel,

if he doesnt win, America as we have known it is done.

Good. I'm all for seeing racism, bigotry, and misogyny die on the vine.

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The "scientific principles" are constantly tinkered with to get the desired result. Trump is winning? Double the number of minority women asked and recheck it. Still winning? Ask 10% more registered Democrats? Trump still winning? Figure out which is better "registered voters" or "likely voters", then use that.

its like polling a group where the members are known to consist of more dog owners than cat owners. Not even asking 100 random people but actually seeking out more dog owners from the beginning. Then being surprised that a poll says that group prefers dogs over cats. That is not surprising to me. Nov 8th will show us once and for all who is correct.

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The "scientific principles" are constantly tinkered with to get the desired result. Trump is winning? Double the number of minority women asked and recheck it. Still winning? Ask 10% more registered Democrats? Trump still winning? Figure out which is better "registered voters" or "likely voters", then use that.

The polls aren't perfect, so by default, Trump is definitely winning.

Seems legit.

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Without using a poll, prove to me how you know that Hillary is winning then. All I know for a fact is the Trump is winning this election so far at least 4 to 0. Anything other than that is unknown.

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Proof. Proof. Proof.

You obviously have access to the internet. It's not a State secret, unless you just want ignore the truth.

@Strangerland

I get the "this is interesting" joke. Kind of funny. Your video link was disturbing for me. Well played. Are you going to post videos of the gang violence and murders in Chicago next? Doubt it.

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BlacklabelOCT. 25, 2016 - 01:13PM JST

Trump supporters want something different and someone who is not Washington DC. Someone who is not bought and paid for by foreign donors, banks and the "establishment elites". Someone who puts America's interests ahead of themselves, their family foundation and money for speeches.

Two out of eight isn't bad I suppose.

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/24/state-department-aide-pleads-fifth-more-than-90-times.html?intcmp=latestnews

State Department aide pleads the Fifth more than 90 times - October 24, 2016 ... A former State Department IT aide invoked his Fifth Amendment rights and refused to answer more than 90 questions Monday during the final deposition in a lawsuit over Hillary Clinton's private emails. ... John Bentel, former Director of Information Resource Management of the executive secretariat, would not answer questions about whether the Clintons had paid his legal fees or offered him financial incentives ... A federal judge in August ordered Bentel to testify under oath because "the record in this case appears to contradict his sworn testimony before the Benghazi Committee."

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Without using a poll, prove to me how you know that Hillary is winning then.

Where did I claim that? Have you not read my comments on polls?

All I know for a fact is the Trump is winning this election so far at least 4 to 0.

Because you have four family members who are voting for Trump, versus the no people you know voting for Hillary? How do you know that your family members will vote for Trump though, did you ask them? And, in asking them, did you realize that you in fact, conducted a poll? But by your own words, polls are wrong. And since they are wrong, the very fact that you found the results of your poll to show that Trump is winning means that he definitely isn't!

I guess that's your 'proof' that Trump isn't winning.

Seems legit, right?

I get the "this is interesting" joke. Kind of funny. Your video link was disturbing for me. Well played.

Thanks! :)

Are you going to post videos of the gang violence and murders in Chicago next? Doubt it.

You're right, I wasn't intending to. I just saw that video posted on another site earlier today, so I re-posted it here.

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I did not conduct a poll. I have verified results as I saw each family member in my physical household vote for Trump, put it in the envelope and mail the envelope. So unless Hillary's people cause the envelopes to be "lost" or destroyed, Trump leads 4-0.

Yeah I saw your comments on the polls, seems you have as little faith in them as I do. Yet the media is using them to push the "election is over" narrative when i believe that is far far from the truth. its also stupid for Hillary to join in that, she is going to need every vote she can get. If people actually believe she is winning, they are too lazy to go because they dont really care about her anyway, just "dont want Trump to win".

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It's all over but the shouting, folks. You can sit back, pop open a Coors, and enjoy the World Series now.

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FizzBit: "You obviously have access to the internet. It's not a State secret, unless you just want ignore the truth."

You make accusations, it's up to you to back it up with proof. Like for example, proof that Trump brags about sexual assault (and yes, walking up and grabbing a woman by the p~~~y is assault, as much as you may try to redefine whether groping is or is not): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKB92ohXn20

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He's not a Trump supporter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6E0rjkXyf0

The polls are rigged. The media is rigged. The establishment doesn't care about you.

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Readers, please stop bickering.

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FizzBit: "The polls are rigged. The media is rigged. The establishment doesn't care about you."

Heads are imploding! You guys know you've lost, so now instead of looking at why and how you can avoid it next time AGAIN you guys are blaming everyone but yourselves, with the denial as thick as ever. You did it after Romney lost (after denying he was losing), after McCain lost (after denying he was losing), and now once again you are in your true form.

But there is a plus side: guaranteed 2020 victory again as you guys fail to learn from your mistakes and make them so much worse! So, keep being stupid and denying everything, please.

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@Smith

They're not accusations. Unless you've been living in a cave, you'd know that Hillary is a psychopathic warmonger who sold billions of weapons to the evil country Saudi Arabia, who is as I write this, killing innocent civilians with those weapons. Libya? Syria? So LGBT bathrooms are more important to you than women and children being bombed by Hillary's weapons sales? And locker room talk is deal breaker for you but women and children being bombed by Hillary's weapons sales are OK? Where are your priorities man?

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Who hear remembers the Iraq invasion and an interview in Baghdad with the information minister 'Comical Ali'... he was being interviewed on the roof of a building and denying that American tanks were closing in... despite there being US tanks in the background seen advancing... that's Trump. A delusional nutjob who believes his own propaganda.

Trump is like a boxer who knows he's beaten but won't fall down and stay down. I don't like Hilary, but lesser of two evils.

FizzBit... for your own sake, don't talk about killing innocent women and children... America in the 60s early 70s ring a bell? Napalming villages, massacres of villagers... people in glass houses and all that ;)

As an outsider watching the electioneering, it's both entertaining and horrifying at the same time. Trump makes Nigel Farage (our own right wing loony) seem only moderately offensive.

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Blacklabel: "So unless Hillary's people cause the envelopes to be "lost" or destroyed, Trump leads 4-0."

Unless you think there are only four people voting, which I can believe some desperate enough to cling to the hope Trump is winning would, it doesn't matter because the vote is open to MILLIONS, not just the four in your family. There are a number of posters on here alone who have already said their ballot is in the mail -- for Hillary -- so you can't discount their votes, by your own rationale, since they come from the horse's mouth. "Trump leads 4-0" is only the "Blacklabel poll", which means next to nothing, I'm afraid, in the overall count.

I mean, really... "My family all voted for Trump and I haven't asked anyone else, therefore Trump is winning"? Really?

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Delusion.

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More like the voting machines are rigged!

13 states have George Soros` voting machines!

Not big on fact checking yourself I see.

According to at least a dozen fringe political blogs, Clinton already has this election bagged: Her friend George Soros, they claim, will rig the election through his electronic voting firm Smartmatic. Last week, that rumor went so viral that one concerned voter petitioned Congress to convene an emergency session on it. Nearly 25,000 people have since signed on, all apparently unaware that Soros does not own Smartmatic.

It’s easy to see how this one spun out of control, because there is a (tenuous, mundane) connection between Soros and the London-based technology company. The company’s actual owner, Lord Mark Malloch-Brown, sits on one of the boards of the Open Society Foundations, a philanthropic organization founded by Soros. But OSF has 22 boards, with dozens of members between them. And Soros has never worked for or had an ownership stake in this specific firm, Smartmatic. Even if he had, it’s pretty much beside the point, since Smartmatic will not be in use in the United States during the 2016 elections.

Link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2016/10/24/what-was-fake-on-the-internet-this-election-george-soross-voting-machines/

Took me all of 10 seconds to fact check that one.

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So much for your phoney conspiracy theory@Domer

www.snopes.com/george-soros-controls-smartmatic-voting-machines-in-16-states/

CLAIM: George Soros-controlled Smartmatic manufactures the voting machines used in 16 crucial states, and those states will be rigged in favor of Hillary Clinton.

FALSE ORIGIN:With the advent of electronic voting systems — and public unease with casting ballots that are not tangible physical objects — every election cycle brings rumors that some individual or group with a heavy investment in the outcome of the election owns or controls the machines that record and count votes — and those parties will use their powers to "rig" the voting systems they control to ensure the election outcome conforms to their preferred results.

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@Strangerl and NCIS Returns

What are you 2 talking about? Smartmatic is providing machines to Arizona, California, Colorado, Washington DC, Florida, Illinois, Louisiana, Michigan, Missouri, New Jersey, Nevada, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Washington and Wisconsin

Clinton has received 10`s of millions from George!

Smartmatic machines have been widely criticized in past use.....

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-24/concern-grows-over-soros-linked-voting-machines

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Blacklabel: Trump supporters want something different and someone who is not Washington DC. Someone who is not bought and paid for by foreign donors, banks and the "establishment elites". Someone who puts America's interests ahead of themselves, their family foundation and money for speeches.

You could have voted for Bernie Sanders if you wanted all of those things. But you didn't. Obviously the things you said above aren't as important to you as you say, or you are voting for Trump for other reasons.

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What are you 2 talking about? Smartmatic is providing machines to Arizona, California, Colorado, Washington DC, Florida, Illinois, Louisiana, Michigan, Missouri, New Jersey, Nevada, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Washington and Wisconsin

No they're not. From Smarmatic's own website:

Smartmatic will not be deploying its technology in any U.S. county for the upcoming 2016 U.S. Presidential elections.

And as an added bonus:

George Soros does not have and has never had any ownership stake in Smartmatic.

Link: http://www.smartmatic.com/case-studies/article/facts-about-smartmatic/

You realize you look silly when you post these conspiracy theories not based in reality, without first fact checking yourself, right?

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You can read about the Zero Hedge Webpage, to which many more conspiratorial JTers link, here. They certainly seem to be an alarming (and alarmed) bunch. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_Hedge

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Trump fans who use Russian information via Wikileaks probably aren't the best ones to give lectures about hidden forces working for Clinton.

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I think Ms. Clinton is more qualified for the job

Hmm no. Warmongering, very much yes. Hillary bots need to understand that a vote for her is a vote for even more unwinnable war quagmire. Any loss of life will surely be on your collective minds.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/kaine-says-clinton-would-seek-updated-war-making-powers-153907605.html

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Thanks for that Laguna.

Former Zero Hedge writer Colin Lokey described the site's political content as "disingenuous," summarizing its political stances as "Russia=good. Obama=idiot. Bashar al-Assad=benevolent leader. John Kerry=dunce. Vladimir Putin=greatest leader in the history of statecraft."[1]

That seems to hold the exact requisite insanity frequently frothed up by the Trump crowd here. It's actuallyquite hard to tell the difference between a real Deplorable and a Russian bot these days....

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Russian information via WikiLeaks.

Could you actually provide some concrete information to back up this claim? No hearsay please!!

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Hmm no. Warmongering, very much yes. Hillary bots need to understand that a vote for her is a vote for even more unwinnable war quagmire. Any loss of life will surely be on your collective minds.

Do you not realize that we feel the exact same way, but about Trump rather than Hillary?

And with him, on top of a loss of life (it just takes one foreign leader to insult his hair on Twitter), a destruction of the economy, losses of jobs, losses of people's homes, and more money in the pockets of the rich will surely be on your collective minds. Right?

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Fred Wallace: "Hmm no. Warmongering, very much yes."

As opposed to whom, pres tel? Surely as a GOP supporter you know your party started all wars the Us is currently engaged in, right, trumping up (pun intended) lies about WMDs (which some of you insist Iraq actually had!). No politician surpasses Trump's bombast, save maybe Putin, whom he's in bed with and reveres as a supreme leader, or Duterte (whom he probably admires as well).

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a destruction of the economy, losses of jobs, losses of people's homes, and more money in the pockets of the rich

Hillary will do exactly what you've just written and then some. She will make dubya pale in comparison.

For the yet umpteenth time, I do agree that trump is simply unskilled for these big shoes. There are truly no easy solutions but throwing away a vote simply for the sake must and needs to stop. It's too much!!

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Fred: Could you actually provide some concrete information to back up this claim?

To you? I'll pass. Part of the problem people such as yourself have is a credibility gap.

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Fred, several American intelligence agencies have identified Russia as responsible for hacking several DNC-related accounts. Russia denies this, of course - as does Trump. Amazing that the GOP nominee would believe Russia over the claims of patriotic American servicemen. This has become the standard method: Russia hacks and then launders the stolen data through a "leak" to Wikileaks. The details are classified, of course, but a broad outline of what is known can be found here: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/how-hackers-broke-into-john-podesta-and-colin-powells-gmail-accounts

Funny: When Trump's victory seemed certain, many Dems were considering moving to Canada. I guess Trump supporters will be moving to Moscow.

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Hillary will do exactly what you've just written and then some. She will make dubya pale in comparison.

Well, that's what you believe. We believe that Trump will do exactly what you say.

For the yet umpteenth time, I do agree that trump is simply unskilled for these big shoes. There are truly no easy solutions but throwing away a vote simply for the sake must and needs to stop. It's too much!!

I agree, and from our perspective, you're throwing away your vote by voting for Trump.

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dharmadan:

" Smug, complacent liberals should take a look at what happened in the Brexit vote. "

I agree. What the hysterical, low-information Trump bashers here miss is that the Trump movement is as much about Trump as the Brexit vote was about Farage. They are only figure heads. What the movements are about is that a large number of people are finally waking up to what the the globalist criminal elite is doing to their countries.

" Huge turnout of Trump supporters on polling day will put Donald in theWhitehouse and Shillary in jail. "

Hope springs eternal. I personal do not care if she goes to jail where she belongs. What counts to me is that she is prevented from doing more damage in the Middle East and other places and from more war-mongering against Russia. Why has nobody in MMS picked up on her insane claim for "no-fly zones" in Syria? That should have ended her her campaign right there.

So many fools out there who see this simply as another US party political football game.

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Well, if Trump loses then it's all his fault for basing his campaign on hate like insisting Obama was born in Kenya and that all Mexicans are rapists. But if you want him for present then by all means vote for him.

Interesting how his hair never changes in length.

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To you? I'll pass.

Oh boy... No factual information resulting in denigrating. Ok.

I agree, and from our perspective, you're throwing away your vote by voting for Trump.

Not in a billion years. Please read my comment again. My whole gripe with all this is if you're going to call BS on one individual, might as well do it for another. In a nutshell both candidates are appalling!!

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The level of the posts from Trump voters here is deteriorating badly. Warped logic, conspiracy theories, lunatic links, wtf anecdotes etc.

A few weeks ago they were sounding a bit disturbed but now the bed is shaking violently, heads are spinning around and the walls are looking green.

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Anyway, the hackings are a good reminder to never, ever click on a link contained in an email. If you receive a message from, say, your bank with a link provided, be immediately suspicious: A legitimate query would ask you to log into your account separately from their Website URL.

The article I linked to above ends on an interesting point:

“We are approaching the point in this case where there are only two reasons for why people say there’s no good evidence,” Rid told me. “The first reason is because they don’t understand the evidence—because the don’t have the necessary technical knowledge. The second reason is they don’t want to understand the evidence.”

For Trump, no doubt it's both.

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I agree, and from our perspective, you're throwing away your vote by voting for Trump.

Not in a billion years. Please read my comment again. My whole gripe with all this is if you're going to call BS on one individual, might as well do it for another.

You don't realize that's exactly what I did.

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"What the hysterical, low-information Trump bashers here miss is that the Trump movement is as much about Trump as the Brexit vote was about Farage"

The point you are missing is that UK voters could vote Brexit safe in the knowledge they wouldn't get Farage as PM. That new Trump deplorable couldn't even win a parliamentary seat in a carefully chosen area very sympathetic to his party.

With this you get Trump. You can't ignore what he is.

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Trump was just praising the CNN/ORC poll a week ago when he was shown ahead in Ohio:

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/301344-trump-praises-new-cnn-poll-after-it-shows-him-up-in-ohio

Was that phony too?

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Delusional !

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Trump is smarter than all the liberals on this site put together. And the media ARE disgusting. If you can't see that...well. you probably are gullible enough to believe Hillary when she said there was nothing work-related in 33,000 emails.

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MSM = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oU7rqB9E_0M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oU7rqB9E_0M

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Your belief that Trump is winning is supported by the fact that people have called him names,

There is nothing definitive obviously since ballots are not opened until election day. But we will very possibly know before then . Look at the early voting trends. North Carolina seems to have the most precise demographic data so far showing Independents are heavily voting.There’s a lot of independents (very likely for Trump). Black voting so far is down 24% in NC. Consistent reports of unprecedented lines at polling stations in red states everywhere The only state that has good early #s so far for Ds relative to 2012 is Nevada but still very early there and I suspect a lot of that is crossover Dems from the Bernie camp. Just have to suck it up and vote for our lives.

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Trump is smarter than all the liberals on this site put together. And the media ARE disgusting. If you can't see that...well. you probably are gullible enough to believe Hillary when she said there was nothing work-related in 33,000 emails.

The media is disgusting. Too bad Trump gets all his information from FOX NEWS.

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So... you're hoping Trump will stick it to the Washington establishment but you'd also like to see the GOP, part of said establishment, hold on to their control of Congress. That would make for a fun Trump presidency, wouldn't it?

Yes, to your first question and yes, I want the GOP to do their job at least and stop the liberal madness from taking us deeper down the debt abyss. Sometimes you have to lay with dog and get fleas, the Democrats should know a thing or two about this, they have no scruples anyhow when it comes to party loyalty. So Trump can do the same.

Or, for that matter, his own supporters. I don't suppose you've read about a super PAC supporting him that's been illegally soliciting money from foreign donors?

I have. So now you got one gold nugget and I have about a dozen pages at the moment of every conceivable dirty trick lobs play the GOP can't even remotely touch them from a China length distant.

https://theintercept.com/2016/10/18/hillary-superpac-coordination/

And that's just the tiny tip.

And no, that's not The Guardian or the BBC, but The Daily Telegraph. But then again I suppose they're all a bit liberal by your standards.

I would say, more left than heavy liberal. The Guardian and the Daily Telegraph are not that bad for the most part, the BBC on the their hand....but I will say this, I do like their documentaries, that's always a plus in my book.

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@FredWallace

My whole gripe with all this is if you're going to call BS on one individual, might as well do it for another. In a nutshell both candidates are appalling!!

OK, Fred. a question for you: Which candidate and/or political philosophy do you support or subscribe to? I notice you can always be counted on to criticize but never have anything constructive to offer. (I got tired of scrolling back through your past posts looking for something constructive.)

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justbcuzisayOCT. 25, 2016 - 08:51PM JST Too bad Trump gets all his information from FOX NEWS.

Russia Today more like. Apparently he's polling just under Dear Leader Vlad at 108%.

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Fred Wallace: "Hillary will do exactly what you've just written and then some. She will make dubya pale in comparison."

Well, then, you should like her all the more if you really believe that -- or do you suddenly hate bush? In any case, if she'll make bush pale by comparison, then Trump will just make bush... well... a shriveled up old white guy.

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Look at the early voting trends.

Are they not just polls as well?

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Hey, if ABC News says Hillary has a 12 point lead, it's game over!

It doesn't matter that Project Veritas has proof of Clinton's direct involvement in violations of election laws, she will not be prosecuted because she is above the law and her supporters will still vote for her no matter what.

"Rigging the Election – Video III: Creamer Confirms Hillary Clinton Was PERSONALLY Involved"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEQvsK5w-jY

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"I would say, more left than heavy liberal. The Guardian and the Daily Telegraph are not that bad for the most part, the BBC on the their hand....but I will say this, I do like their documentaries, that's always a plus in my book."

Shocking ignorance of the media. To say the BBC is further left than the Guardian is preposterous. I'd regard myself as on the left and the Guardian makes me cringe at times with its woolly thinking and some of my Tory-voting friends say similar thing about the Telegraph with its continuing and slightly sinister lurch to the right. It's a bit like thoughtful conservatives cringing at the partisan glove puppets on Fox.

You claim to have been in the media game for decades. Which polls do you put most trust in?

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"Rigging the Election – Video III: Creamer Confirms Hillary Clinton Was PERSONALLY Involved"

I wonder if you're video has any credibility whatsoever.

If you hadn't spent the past year posting video after video of baseless garbage, some of us would probably take the time to look at them when you posted them. Instead, you've destroyed your credibility like the boy who cried wolf.

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Trump insists: We are winning.

I'd like to nominate Donald Trump for this year's "Comical Ali Award" -- named after the former Iraqi Information Minister, who kept insisting things were going great in his live reports (as US tanks could be seen rolling in the background.)

Next, I expect Trump to announce the mother of all elections.

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Hey, if ABC News says Hillary has a 12 point lead, it's game over!

Indeed. Sorry to break it to you, but... yeah, pretty much.

But don't let it stop you from posting entertaining youtube vids and the bits of (non-)information "this is interesting...". We all could do with a bit of a laugh after so much seriousness on JT lately.

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Project Veritas? Hahahaha

You mean the orgnization run by James O'keefe, a convicted felon? You mean the man caught trying to wiretap a congressman's office? You mean the man whose illegal recording of abortion provided ended in charges for his side? You mean the proud, self-proclaimed muckraker James O'keefe?

I am sold, the elections are rigged! Roflmaobenghazi

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I just hope the next president can deal with Goldman Sachs in a just way.

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Some folk don't quite get it of course but it's no fault of theirs. Simply left over cognitive dissonance digging away at the subconscious.

The funny thing about cognitive dissonance, is both sides of of a typical conservative/liberal battle of wills seem to feel that way about the other. In reality, a lot of people here are saying they see exactly what Clinton is, but understand that Trump is still worse. The majority of the country has come to this conclusion.

The sad part is, if we all really care, we should stop playing this stupid game on turning on each other like they want us to. We need to look beyond this election.. We need to get money out of politics first and foremost if we have any hope of getting a good candidate in our lifetimes. Some 80% of Americans across party lines agree, so why don't we rally together? There are groups such as wolf-pac (dot) com

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Shocking ignorance of the media. To say the BBC is further left than the Guardian is preposterous.

Then we just happen to disagree then.

I'd regard myself as on the left and the Guardian makes me cringe at times with its woolly thinking and some of my Tory-voting friends say similar thing about the Telegraph with its continuing and slightly sinister lurch to the right. It's a bit like thoughtful conservatives cringing at the partisan glove puppets on Fox.

What.....Lol....ok....

You claim to have been in the media game for decades. Which polls do you put most trust in?

Probably not the ones you believe or trust in. Let's just say, knowing this field and now REALLY knowing how deceptive and deceitful The Dems have been, overall speaking, I'm skeptical about a lot of them, so the jury is still out.

You mean the orgnization run by James O'keefe, a convicted felon?

Yup that one.

By the way, "Bill Clinton" was a sexual predator and yet, he became president, so what is exactly your point?

You mean the man caught trying to wiretap a congressman's office? You mean the man whose illegal recording of abortion provided ended in charges for his side? You mean the proud, self-proclaimed muckraker James O'keefe?

Here is the kicker, No matter how the Democrats squirm and wriggle, the admission on video is the admission, that game played out with all the Wikileaks, No CG or any distorted facial apps used to get them to say that they said. Same things goes for Trump, I didn't like what he said to Bush, but he said it, even if you don't see him on camera. This one, you did and there is nothing any lib could (unless they want to look like they're smoking the wacky tabacki) Dems have some nerve to complain about O'Keefe when they have been doing far, far worse.

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Some of the things I am concerned about,

Rose law firm previous conduct, conduct during the Vietnam War, and ethics of military service, failing to pass the District of Columbia bar exam (should be easy if you have no criminal record), ethical personal conduct, Whitewater, death of WH aide Vince Foster, conduct at Department of State by self and aides . . . .

I once met a descendent of a US President . . . . just to be a descendant, the U. S. Government pays them an exorbitant amount (to my memory something like $100K per annum) . . . . is this the Dems candidate? This seems unfair to the average, hard working American (with better test scores, honorable service in the military, no criminal arrests) . . . the delegates who elect the President may also be descendants . . .

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bass4funkOCT. 25, 2016 - 09:20PM JST

I have. So now you got one gold nugget and I have about a dozen pages at the moment of every conceivable dirty trick lobs play the GOP can't even remotely touch them from a China length distant.

If it's a choice between bits of paper and a gold nugget I know which one I'll go for.

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Everyone has selective hearing (only hear or want to hear what he/she wants), but Trump 's filter seems to be on the maximum level. Then, again, he is more like a entertainer rather than a serious politician.

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Serrano,

"Rigging the Election – Video III: Creamer Confirms Hillary Clinton Was PERSONALLY Involved" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEQvsK5w-jY

LMAO! Seriously? Ducks?! THAT'S your evidence of malfeasance and election rigging on the part of the Clinton campaign? Democracy Partners is a for-profit political campaign consultant company that is HIRED to help campaigns succeed. It's not liberal. It's not conservative. It's a business. Trump could just as easily have hired them to help him shape his political message, but he was too busy ignoring his own advisors and buying copies of his own book to think of that.

James O'Keefe of Project Veritas is such a hot windbag of douchiness. He lies, he cheats, and he has all the ethical and moral stature of a snake oil salesman.

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LMAO! Seriously? Ducks?! THAT'S your evidence of malfeasance and election rigging on the part of the Clinton campaign? Democracy Partners is a for-profit political campaign consultant company that is HIRED to help campaigns succeed. It's not liberal.

Nice try, but at this point, the only people that are in total denial and lol unwilling to admit the facts that are visual them in the face and with thousands of mails covered, the only people that still make excuses are Hillary supporters and the Democrats.....publicly at least.

It's not conservative. It's a business. Trump could just as easily have hired them to help him shape his political message, but he was too busy ignoring his own advisors and buying copies of his own book to think of that.

Really and your proof of that is.....

James O'Keefe of Project Veritas is such a hot windbag of douchiness. He lies, he cheats, and he has all the ethical and moral stature of a snake oil salesman.

He does all that, but that has nothing to do with the people admitting to the crazy, unethical and outrageous things that they do.

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bass4funk: "Probably not the ones you believe or trust in. Let's just say, knowing this field and now REALLY knowing how deceptive and deceitful The Dems have been, overall speaking, I'm skeptical about a lot of them, so the jury is still out."

Says the guy who REFUSES to say what polls he believes, or what his sources are on all sorts of topics.

takeda.shingen: "You mean the orgnization run by James O'keefe, a convicted felon? You mean the man caught trying to wiretap a congressman's office? You mean the man whose illegal recording of abortion provided ended in charges for his side? You mean the proud, self-proclaimed muckraker James O'keefe?"

Now, now... you know Serrano works hard on clicking on those 'related links' to the pasty white men sweating in their moms' basements that he calls 'proof' of his beliefs. I mean, in the last election he did the exact same thing, and in 2008 he was STILL cutting and pasting, "Oh my..." and "this is interesting" with video links to absolutely meaningless blogs and YouTube videos. Hell, he even said "My toothpaste could take on Obama" before the last election.

So, pointing out that Hillary is in fact leading -- something even Trump has admitted, but they STILL refuse to admit -- will just force him to buy a new tube of toothpaste, get on YouTube and find more 'proof'. He and bass and others would pouring out the same old cut-n-paste arguments nearly a decade ago, so it's not like they're about to start learning from their mistakes now. They had a perfect chance after Romney, but it quickly devolved from "we will do better" to a blame game, to the same old inability to progress. This time it's the "liberal media" and "rigged elections if we don't win". There is nothing more unpatriotic than the GOP and especially Trump and his supporters.

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Do the American people want to continue to be associated with impeachment proceedings . . . . .

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The Trump fanatics seem particularly enraged today.

Early signs show Hillary Clinton may have made Texas of all places competitive for Dems and polls showing Clinton with seven-point lead in North Carolina can't be helping their brain-farts.

And this; this is massively interesting. We all expected it to have gone on but finally we're getting the sordid details:

‘SO MUCH FUN’

Inside Donald Trump’s One-Stop Parties: Attendees Recall Cocaine and Very Young Models

‘I was there to party myself. It was guys with younger girls, sex, a lot of sex, a lot of cocaine, top-shelf liquor’ but no smoking. Trump didn’t approve of cigarettes.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/10/24/inside-donald-trump-s-one-stop-parties-attendees-recall-cocaine-and-very-young-models.html

The Leader of the GOP. Heh, the party of "Family Values".

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Headline in 2 more weeks: "Americans reject Trump."

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Nooooo .... no 'rigged voting' here ... move along ...

It's extremely unlikely a 'Potter County judge' has the technical expertise to instantly pass judgment on whether a machine is rigged or not. And it would be dumb of the rigger to have the machine flip the vote every time.

http://kissfm969.com/early-voters-from-amarillo-are-saying-their-votes-were-changed-on-the-ballot/

Potter County Judge: Nothing wrong with voting machines - October 25, 2016

... Concerns first appear to have come to light from a Randall County woman on Facebook who posted, “I voted a straight Republican ticket and as I scrolled to submit my ballot I noticed that the Republican Straight ticket was highlighted, however, the clinton/kaine box was also highlighted! I tried to go back and change and could not get it to work. I asked for help from one of the workers and she couldn’t get it to go back either. It took a second election person to get the machine to where I could correct the vote to a straight ticket. Be careful and double check your selections before you cast your vote! Don’t hesitate to ask for help. I had to have help to get mine changed.” ...

@LFRAgain:

LFRAgain: ... Democracy Partners is a for-profit political campaign consultant company that is HIRED to help campaigns succeed. It's not liberal. It's not conservative. It's a business. Trump could just as easily have hired them to help him shape his political message ...

Is that a Hillary Campaign talking point?

The CEO of Democracy Partners visits the White House 342 times, and average of once every two weeks over 8 years, and your answer is 'oh, the Republicans could have hire him if they wanted to.'

What if the Republicans didn't WANT a dirty tricks operator?

Why would Bob Creamer help the Republicans, after being involved in dirty tricks for the Democrats for over 8 years, at least since Obama's 2008 campaign. And for the Democrats for over 40 years!

The Chicago Tribune isn't as naive (or as 'splaining) as you ... they've got him marked on a headline as a Democratic operative:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-robert-creamer-trump-rally-met-1020-20161019-story.html

Longtime state Democratic political operative ensnarled in video controversy - Oct. 19, 2016

(photo caption): Robert Creamer after his sentencing in a federal check-kiting case on April 5, 2006. At right is his wife, Illinois U.S. Rep. Jan Schakowsky.

For four decades, Robert Creamer has been part of the fabric of Illinois and national Democratic campaigns, from helping elect wife Jan Schakowsky to Congress and giving Mayor Rahm Emanuel his first post-college job to helping on Barack Obama's two presidential campaigns and working this time to elect Hillary Clinton. ...

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The Trump fanatics seem particularly enraged today."

The Clinton fanatics seem particularly oblivious to her corruption, law breaking and lying today.

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The Clinton fanatics seem particularly oblivious to her corruption, law breaking and lying today.

Please sir, don't you have anymore links to convicted felon, James O'Keefe's, videos proving voter fraud? Please, lecture us all on morals, because it seems it seems you've discarded your own.

This is interesting: Like the billions he never had, Don the Con now brags of the endorsements he never had. herp, her-her-her-pa-derp.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-brags-of-endorsements-that-never-happened/ar-AAjmIRU?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp

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turbostat: The CEO of Democracy Partners visits the White House 342 times,

You've said this about a half dozen times. It just doesn't resonate with anyone. People are more concerned with systemic issues like GOP gerrymandering and voter suppression laws that impact millions of Americans.

But that probably wouldn't interest you.

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SerranoOCT. 26, 2016 - 02:26AM JST The Clinton fanatics seem particularly oblivious to her corruption, law breaking and lying today.

Are these people in your head? Is this what draining the swamp is all about? All I know is you'll have a new login soon, heh, "Sarge"....

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The Trump fanatics seem particularly enraged today.

I think Trump supporters are more than excited, but understand the magnitude of how sleazy the Democrats have been in this campaign and how weak and spineless the Republicans have been.

Early signs show Hillary Clinton may have made Texas of all places competitive for Dems and polls showing Clinton with seven-point lead in North Carolina can't be helping their brain-farts.

Ok, so the Dems have Austin. LOL! No surprise there.

And this; this is massively interesting. We all expected it to have gone on but finally we're getting the sordid details:

‘SO MUCH FUN’

Inside Donald Trump’s One-Stop Parties: Attendees Recall Cocaine and Very Young Models

‘I was there to party myself. It was guys with younger girls, sex, a lot of sex, a lot of cocaine, top-shelf liquor’ but no smoking. Trump didn’t approve of cigarettes.

Hmmmm. good to see how liberals think, like true gossip Hollywood junkies, if that's the most important thing for Democrats, this country is on the verge on No return. By the way, how do you feel about Hillary saying, she has to have 2 faces, one in public and one in private. So she can lie about being against the Keystone pipeline, but privately she can say she's for it? There may be hope! in hindsight, she might do more good secretly for Republican causes after all. LOL

This is interesting: Like the billions he never had, Don the Con now brags of the endorsements he never had. herp, her-her-her-pa-derp.

How do you know? Have you seen his bank account? Do you know what money he has offshore or hidden in property or other investments? You are absolutely concrete sure of this? Had NO idea Liberals all had the power of the great Karnak! LMAO.

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By the way, how do you feel about Hillary saying, she has to have 2 faces, one in public and one in private.

I think that anyone who has actually been a CEO, and not just pretended to have been one on the internet, would understand her comment.

Although to be fair, I guess a CEO who wasn't very good may not understand the concept.

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Romney's 47% comment blows away any two faces Clinton has, yet Republicans voted for him.

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The polls are giving Hillary about a 6 point lead. For Trump to win at this point would be an upset of major proportions - like Dewey defeats Truman. I don't want either to be president but people need to get used to the idea that America is a socialist country. The limitations on government embedded in the Constitution have been thoroughly erase through judicial and bureaucratic subterfuge. I don't think American's know how to make America great again. They do not remember what it takes to be great. It used to be, "ask what you can do for your country". Now it is "ask what the country can do for you." Only the wealthy are asked to contribute to the nations fortunes. Everyone else from the upper middle class on down have their hand out. Hillary and Progressives never believed in the power and rights of the individual. That is the source of Americans - one time - greatness.

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Hmmmm. good to see how liberals think, like true gossip Hollywood junkies, if that's the most important thing for Democrats

Yes, because we can know the thinking of all liberals from a single comment on a site that isn't even targeted to American liberals. And of course, there are no examples of conservatives ever talking about such things.

Several people have written many other reasons to be against Trump, but you tend to ignore a whole lot of comments that go against what you have decided a 'liberal' thinks

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I think that anyone who has actually been a CEO, and not just pretended to have been one on the internet, would understand her comment.

We are not talking about Burger King or Tim Horton's, we are talking about the presidency and the importance of transparency, which is something she hasn't been for over 40 years.

Although to be fair, I guess a CEO who wasn't very good may not understand the concept.

Kinda like Circuit City, yeah, I get it.

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we are talking about the presidency and the importance of transparency

Anyone who has been a CEO, and not just pretended to be one, would know that having a private and public opinion, and transparency are not the same thing.

You having been a CEO must know the difference, so I can only suspect you are making the comment in order to criticize Hillary, not because you don't know the difference.

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Anyone who has been a CEO, and not just pretended to be one, would know that having a private and public opinion, and transparency are not the same thing.

Sure, but as a politician and as a person with a lengthy career as Hillary has had comes across as NOT being transparent, that's the optics of it and the impression that it imposes on the minds of most Americans.

You having been a CEO must know the difference, so I can only suspect you are making the comment in order to criticize Hillary, not because you don't know the difference.

It's ok, you can suspect what you wish, I'm talking about Hillary Clinton and the optics of how it looks with her.

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Bass4Funk, Turbostat, et al.,

Hee hee! Sending guys dressed up as Donald Duck to Trump campaign rallies to draw attention to his refusal to release his taxes isn't dirty. It isn't sneaky. It's damned funny and damned clever, is what it is. : )

Honestly, you muppets wouldn't know what actual "election rigging” meant if it walked up to in the middle of the day and smacked you upside the head with a fresh hanging chad. You just riff off of Trump's idiocy, as clueless and as ignorant as ever.

Presenting one's case isn't election rigging. Pointing out the flaws of one's opponent is not election rigging. Reminding voters of the stark difference between you and your opponent is not election rigging. Ultimately changing the minds of voters isn't election rigging either.

It's all called something mysterious and magical called "campaigning."

To even suggest that Clinton's use of an election consulting company indicates a case of election rigging reinforces what everyone already knows to be true: Trump supporters tend to be ill-informed dolts. Perhaps if Trump had endeavored to raise the level of discourse during this campaign above penis size, how he like to manhandle women, and how much contempt and disdain he has for women, minorities, Muslims, POWs, Gold Star families, and pretty much anyone who doesn't agree with him, he might be in less dries straits than he obviously is now.

Oh, BTW:

http://conservativecampaignconsulting.com

http://savipoliticalconsulting.com

http://revolvis.com

That's just three similar consulting companies out there culled from a 10-second Google search that are for-profit and serve the election campaign needs of conservative candidates. Not that I expect you to view the following as any more than another example of the global shadow cabal trying to bend your will, here's some food for thought about campaign consulting companies:

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/03/revenge-of-the-republican-consultants-104712

Everyone uses them, but it would seem Democrats are savvy enough to hire at least the funnier ones, wouldn't it?

Quack quack!

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"The polls are giving Hillary about a 6 point lead. For Trump to win at this point would be an upset of major proportions"

Hillary woud need about a 50 point "lead" in the polls to actually beat Trump on election day.

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LFRAgainOCT. 26, 2016 - 09:27AM JST Trump supporters tend to be ill-informed dolts.

The US Government has announced that Democrats Obamacare premiums are set to rise 25 percent in 2017, the largest increase since its 2013 inception. The Democrats tend to be ill-informed dolts.

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Trump supporters tend to be ill-informed dolts.

The middle class are fairly well informed about Hillary's corrupt nature. But hey Bernie had the nomination stolen from him and he is supporting her anyway - talk about dolts.

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Bernie had the nomination stolen from him and he is supporting her anyway

Which shows just how bad he thinks Trump is.

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Hillary woud need about a 50 point "lead" in the polls to actually beat Trump on election day.

Add math skills to the list of cognitive deficiencies suffered by Trump supporters.

Quack quack!

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LFRAgain: Bass4Funk, Turbostat, et al., Hee hee! Sending guys dressed up as Donald Duck to Trump campaign rallies to draw attention to his refusal to release his taxes isn't dirty. It isn't sneaky. It's damned funny and damned clever, is what it is. : )

The duck thing is funny, but it also links Hillary to the other dirty tricks operations, and in coordination with efforts it may be illegal for her to coordinate, just from fundraising point of view (let alone incitement to violence at various rallies and venues).

LFRAgain: ... That's just three similar consulting companies out there culled from a 10-second Google search that are for-profit and serve the election campaign needs of conservative candidates. ...

How are they similar to Bob Creamer's company?

'Incitement to riot' anywhere in the descriptions of those companies?

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'Incitement to riot' anywhere in the descriptions of those companies?

Is 'incitement to riot' anywhere in the description of Democracy Partners?

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LFRAgain: Is 'incitement to riot' anywhere in the description of Democracy Partners?

Yes, in the Project Veritas video transcripts for Bob Creamer and the other guy.

You got anything comparable for these 'dangerous' Republican political consultancies you're listing?

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Hee hee! Sending guys dressed up as Donald Duck to Trump campaign rallies to draw attention to his refusal to release his taxes isn't dirty. It isn't sneaky. It's damned funny and damned clever, is what it is. : )

"Clever!" Many of us feel the same about James O'Keefe

Honestly, you muppets wouldn't know what actual "election rigging” meant if it walked up to in the middle of the day and smacked you upside the head with a fresh hanging chad. You just riff off of Trump's idiocy, as clueless and as ignorant as ever.

Well, now we do know thanks to Assange and Wikileaks.

Presenting one's case isn't election rigging. Pointing out the flaws of one's opponent is not election rigging. Reminding voters of the stark difference between you and your opponent is not election rigging. Ultimately changing the minds of voters isn't election rigging either.

So this is what and how Dems get the lying down? Stand in front of a mirror and convincing themselves to believe in something they know already is true?

It's all called something mysterious and magical called "campaigning."

That's what we all were hoping for, then the dream disintegrated and we woke realiazing as reality sets in that we are dealing corrupt Democrats......again!

To even suggest that Clinton's use of an election consulting company indicates a case of election rigging reinforces what everyone already knows to be true: Trump supporters tend to be ill-informed dolts.

Without a doubt the media is literally in her pocket. Do I believe the election is rigged, sure I do, but when we talk about rigging, I'm talking about the influence of the media, know doubt Obama, the DOJ and even now, I'm shocked to read more and more about how many of the FBI senior staff are in collusion with Hillary and the Dems.

Perhaps if Trump had endeavored to raise the level of discourse during this campaign above penis size, how he like to manhandle women,

As did Bill Clinton, not to mention fondling 15 year olds. By the way, where is Epstein these days??

and how much contempt and disdain he has for women, minorities, Muslims, POWs, Gold Star families, and pretty much anyone who doesn't agree with him, he might be in less dries straits than he obviously is now.

Well, after reading the Wikileaks, it seems that Democrats are more racist than what we were all led to believe.

Everyone uses them, but it would seem Democrats are savvy enough to hire at least the funnier ones, wouldn't it?

I prefer to use the word despicable, I think that would be a more appropriate term to use for Dems. But then again, ethics's isn't something this administration is known for.

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Breaking:

It’s a stunning prediction: America will deliver the “biggest ‘F— you’ ever recorded in human history” and put Donald Trump in the White House this November.

That’s according to leftist activist and filmmaker Michael Moore, who made the statements in a video clip from his latest documentary, “Trumpland.” ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1EnRLZ3p4o )

Moore reveals exactly why many “hurting” Americans, both Democrat and Republican, find the billionaire appealing.

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Bass,

Many of us feel the same about James O'Keefe

Fabricating evidence, violating federal wiretapping laws, trespassing on federal property, defaming people, lying, lying, and more lying, all for the purpose of creating a false narrative regarding voter registration, abortion, and NPR funding that the right still clings to to this very day, even though his "work," if you can call it such, has been roundly and soundly debunked at complete and utter fraud. Conservative still believe ACORN was operating illegally. It wasn't. They still believe Planned Parenthood was illegally selling aborted fetus tissues. It wasn't That NPR was operating a pay-to-play fundraising model. It wasn't

Sorry, but sending ducks to a Trump rally doesn't fall in the same ball park, city, continent, or planet as the sleeze self-proclaimed muckraker O'Keefe regularly parades as fact. That you would think his work is "cover" makes you as morally reprehensible as him.

Well, now we do know thanks to Assange and Wikileaks.

Do you? Do you really? Where's the paper trail? The money trail? The actual marching orders indicating coordinated collusion between Clinton, the DNC, mass media, the justice department, and the FBI? Because it sure as heck wasn't in the Wikileaks emails. Private conversations indicating personal opinions and opposing stances. That's about it. The evidence doesn't exist.

Contrarily, evidence of Donald Trump being an insufferable, vulgar, boorish a-hole is so plentiful, we're actually spoiled for choice.

That's what we all were hoping for, then the dream disintegrated and we woke realiazing as reality sets in that we are dealing corrupt Democrats......again!

The melodramatics are swell, but the truth at the end of the day is Clinton's campaign hasn't done a damned thing to Trump that he hasn't already done to himself. If you're going to run as a flawed candidate, you'd better be prepared to weather the consequences of those flaws. Clearly, Clinton's sins are easier to forgive than Trump's, and that pisses you off to know end because you know that at the end of the day, this is exactly how it always should have been.

That you could in good conscience back Trump is absolutely astonishing. You really should be looking in the mirror a little more closely after this campaign is over and asking yourself what piece of your soul you sacrificed to overlook how vile Trump is as a man just to satisfy your hatred of Clinton.

By the way, where is Epstein these days??

I don't know. Why don't you ask Donal Trump?

Well, after reading the Wikileaks, it seems that Democrats are more racist than what we were all led to believe.

Does it now? Really? Good luck with furthering that narrative.

I prefer to use the word despicable,

Ducks? Despicable? You need an enema, Bass.

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bass4funkOCT. 26, 2016 - 05:43PM JST

Well, now we do know thanks to Assange and Wikileaks.

You're forgetting to mention Vladimir Putin.

LFRAgainOCT. 26, 2016 - 07:32PM JST

bass4funkOCT. 26, 2016 - 05:43PM JST By the way, where is Epstein these days??

I don't know. Why don't you ask Donal Trump?

He seems to be in denial about that so I doubt you'll get anything like a straight or coherent answer.

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Strangerland: No they're not. From Smarmatic's own website: "Smartmatic will not be deploying its technology in any U.S. county for the upcoming 2016 U.S. Presidential elections." And as an added bonus: "George Soros does not have and has never had any ownership stake in Smartmatic." Link: http://www.smartmatic.com/case-studies/article/facts-about-smartmatic/ You realize you look silly when you post these conspiracy theories not based in reality, without first fact checking yourself, right?

A fact-check worthy of snopes, throw out some cruft and declare victory.

"Will not be deploying" can be read as 'will not be installing new machines'. What happened to the 57,000 machines already deployed in the USA? Did they recall those machines? If so, why not say that, too? On its own website Smartmatic has a graphic boasting "US Elections 2006-2016, 57000 Voting and Counting Machines Deployed, 392000 Electoral Devices Configured'. Did all of those machines and devices suddenly disappear?

http://www.smartmatic.com/case-studies/article/united-states-elections/

Snopes puts up its usual not-really-debunking, linking to a site with voter machine lists that shows no Smartmatic machines deployed. Snopes fails to note Sequoia was a Smartmatic subsidiary, that the Sequoia CEO was a former Smartmatic executive, that Sequoia continued to use Smartmatic technology, that Sequoia also had complaints about its systems, and that the voter machine site it links to lists 17 pages of entries for voting machines, when Sequoia is selected as the 'Make'.

Smartmatic is HQ'd in London but was and is a Venezuelan privately-held company. Wikileaks-provided classified USA cables discuss and describe the possibility that Smartmatic rigged elections in Venezuela. Smartmatic retains intellectual property rights to tech used by Sequoia and Venezuelan techs were called in to service at least some Sequoia installations in the USA. Even the NYT has reported on Smartmatic's web of ownership: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/29/washington/29ballot.html "U.S. Investigates Voting Machines’ Venezuela Ties - OCT. 29, 2006"

And who said George Soros has or had an ownership stake in Smartmatic? Not the zerohedge article you're responding to. It talks about the Smartmatic's CEO's long and current association with Soros, other sources have more info on that. CEO Malloch-Brown has been associated with Soros since at least 1993. And what the zerohedge article does say is "According to Lifezette, Malloch-Brown was part of the Soros Advisory Committee on Bosnia and also is a member of the executive committee of the International Crisis Group, an organization he co-founded in the 1990s and built with funds from George Soros’ personal fortune."

Snopes could have found all that, in fact, it's really unlikely that they didn't. But they chose not to include it in their "debunking". They only put a few items in that they could easily gloss over.

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Fabricating evidence, violating federal wiretapping laws, trespassing on federal property, defaming people, lying, lying, and more lying, all for the purpose of creating a false narrative regarding voter registration, abortion, and NPR funding that the right still clings to to this very day, even though his "work," if you can call it such, has been roundly and soundly debunked at complete and utter fraud. Conservative still believe ACORN was operating illegally. It wasn't. They still believe Planned Parenthood was illegally selling aborted fetus tissues. It wasn't That NPR was operating a pay-to-play fundraising model. It wasn't

I see, so what does that have to do with Creamer and Foval admitting on video that they worked for the Democratic party and hired these goons to cause a stir? You libs don't seem to have a problem with admitting on tape what he likes to do with women, even though you don't see him on tape, but hear the audio. So maybe that's fabricated as well? LOL! Trump's tax records being stolen and thrown out for everyone to see, but when the shoe is on the other foot, you guys scream, foul? Interesting.

Sorry, but sending ducks to a Trump rally doesn't fall in the same ball park, city, continent, or planet as the sleeze self-proclaimed muckraker O'Keefe regularly parades as fact. That you would think his work is "cover" makes you as morally reprehensible as him.

What the....ok LMAO!

Do you? Do you really? Where's the paper trail? The money trail?

Yes, we do. Check the Wikileaks sites. By the way, when libs talk that kind of nonsense, it's just as bad as when Trump says, I'm not hurting in the polls at all. Just stop digging. As much as I like Trump, I'm not going to make excuses for his mistakes, liberals on the other hand will defend this president or Hillary, right or wrong. Kinda scary, truth be told.

The actual marching orders indicating coordinated collusion between Clinton, the DNC, mass media, the justice department, and the FBI? Because it sure as heck wasn't in the Wikileaks emails.

Actually, it was and a whole lot more.

Private conversations indicating personal opinions and opposing stances. That's about it. The evidence doesn't exist.

Keep telling yourself that, only Hillary supporters will peddle that garbage, even Democrats won't say it, they'll just run, duck and cover.

Contrarily, evidence of Donald Trump being an insufferable, vulgar, boorish a-hole is so plentiful, we're actually spoiled for choice.

I have a lot of colorful words to describe Hillary, but none of them are allowed on JT.

The melodramatics are swell, but the truth at the end of the day is Clinton's campaign hasn't done a damned thing to Trump that he hasn't already done to himself.

Of course she didn't, we know that! She has her minions among them, Creamer and Foval to do all that for her.

If you're going to run as a flawed candidate, you'd better be prepared to weather the consequences of those flaws. Clearly, Clinton's sins are easier to forgive than Trump's, and that pisses you off to know end because you know that at the end of the day, this is exactly how it always should have been.

By her supporters, Yes! By the majority of Americans, not so much. Oh, and I'm not pissed about anything, regardless, I have a great life regardless who gets into office, I just worry about Hillary taking the country down further to the abyss.

That you could in good conscience back Trump is absolutely astonishing.

Because I hate Washington and the establishment and want all of them destroyed??? Frankly, I'm astonished that you are astonished.

You really should be looking in the mirror a little more closely after this campaign is over and asking yourself what piece of your soul you sacrificed to overlook how vile Trump is as a man just to satisfy your hatred of Clinton.

When this is all over and if Hillary wins, I'll be laughing at a lot of people that will be complaining how bad her presidency will be. I met enough people that think Obama was the biggest joke and how so many said, the made a mistake, especially the second time around. Too funny, but I love hearing the story of the buyers remorse.

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Polls mean nothing. Polls called the UK general election wrong and they called Brexit wrong. Trump will win.

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So today we see how the Clinton campaign is colluding with Bob Creamer on coordinating with arrangers of Trump's own 'bimbo eruption'. Except that this was entirely expected from the Clinton campaign, so we don't know if any of the complaints are true or if they are engineered.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUBrZItwVy4

Rigging the Election - Video IV: $20K Wire Transfer From Belize Returned - Project Veritas - Oct 26, 2016

... Bob Creamer, founder of Democracy Partners (on a phone call):

Now Trump events is fine and frankly I spend most of my time overseeing the Trump events around the country. I mean that's what I do, that's what I do for the Clinton campaign ...

... Bob Creamer (on a video, in a restaurant or similar):

Hang on for a second, I've got to send something to the Clinton campaign real quick. ...

Here's what I do for the Clinton campaign, by the way, I'm a consultant to the Clinton campaign. Wherever Trump or Pence go in the country, we make sure that there are press events in the TV market or whatever ... whether they are big turnouts or little turnouts, whatever. ... So that on any given day they will be between them probably in six places. So our team makes sure there are events in all those six places everyday. ...

Every morning I am on a call at 10:30 that goes over the message being driven by the campaign headquarters. ...

So then there are a couple ... a bunch of people in the Brooklyn office that are responsible for possible aspects of communication. Like, we do rapid response and there is a guy there I work with heavily, is the guy I was just communicating with on that kind of stuff.

For instance we just found ... I just sent him a note beforehand when we came here that said, "My understanding is there might be another revelation of another woman talking about Trump this afternoon."

And he just sent me back a note that says, "Is it this lawyer that's going to do that?" I said, "I think maybe, it could be something else, I will try to find out."

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I guess trump made the right connection when it's about 'phony' and 'disgusting'.

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Trump looking very good. Great leader. Clinton has no charisma. Gary Johnson will steal a few votes from her. These emails are finally going to blow up in her face. Instead of renaming Air Force 1 Broomstick 1, it's going to be Trump 1.

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That polls are used as a political instrument is a given. And knowing the bias of the polsters, it is obvious in which direction they tilt the polls right now. I wonder why this is even an issue.

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By far the most popular and most discussed topics on Japan Today involve the U.S. presidential election, specifically what Hillary and Trump say everyday.

Are you telling me that the majority of people who frequent a Japan related website are based in the U.S., or are Americans?

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There is in fact nothing new to poll rigging by the left wing media. They tried to use their rigged polls to declare Al Gore the winner when in fact he wasnt.

Today the polls, clearly oversampling democrats are rigged to make it seem as if Hillary is winning. However, there are problems with this approach. The media must at a minimum use enough real information to make it seem as if there is no rigging. This is why hillary keeps falling back to tied or even behind trump, as she is doing now. Statistically if you remove the rigging effect, trump is likely 5 points ahead.

But there is other evidence, information which conflicts with polls. Hillary is drawing exactly no one to her rallies. There are no prominent politicians or trusted famous people stumping for her. Yet go to a trump rally and be joined by 20,000 people who went out of their way to use an entire day to attend. Plus Trumps rallys are streamed on the internet drawing in over a million watchers as Philadelphia proved.

The media backs up the rigging by declaring hillary has a ground game and somehow trump rallies are pointless.

Well the comparison is reach. Sure, hillary has 1000s of people in small towns holding meetings where they talk to maybe 10 or 20 people, expecting word of mouth to carry that to maybe 10 more people. At best hillary's ground game is getting to 200k people which might inspire voting. But is that really useful in this election? So 20 people talked to 200 total because their neighbor held a meeting and talked up hillary. Compare this to trump. At the same t ime, trump is holding a rally, where he himself or his kids or people directly on his campaign are talking. 10,000+ people get in cars, leave the small towns where hillary's ground game is, to attend a massive rally where they get to hear trump themselves. They then go home and talk to 10 or 20 people, only instead of 200k, like hillary it is 2 million people learning about trump word of mouth. And this does not even count the effect of the people streaming and watching trump rallys by the millions.

Compare to Obama, while I think Obama is a total calamity, he did have enthusiastic supporters. McCain and Romney did not have any real enthusiastic. A large number of republicans consider McCain a liberal and romney uninterested. They lost. Go back to Kerry and Bush, Kerry ultimately lost because on his side, who the heck really wanted him. Even with Gore and Bush, there was some enthusiasm for bush, where as gore, was almost a joke.

So are the polls rigged, sure, they always are. The question really should be do other factors match the polls or not. If Brexit is any example, the polls are not matching other factors, which is why Trump can in fact say he is probably winning.

Plus, historically, the candidate polling higher ends up losing. Carter was higher than Reagan, the last poll had carter up by 5, reagan won by 3.5. Bush1 was ahead of Clinton and lost. Gore was in fact polling higher, lost. McCain was polling slightly better than Obama but lost. Even Nixon polled ahead near the end and it was a toss up, with Kennedy barely winning, also with claims of rigging such as dead people voting.

Bottom line is Trump has a claim here, whereas the people who think Hillary has already won, are fooling themselves. She might still win but it is actually tied up, though if her supporters want to give up and pretend she won already, more power to them, it will cause fewer hillary voters to actually vote.

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There is in fact nothing new to poll rigging by the left wing media. They tried to use their rigged polls to declare Al Gore the winner when in fact he wasnt.

He won the popular vote. But, that's not what wins the presidency.

Hillary is drawing exactly no one to her rallies.

"The weather was hot, sunny and dry, and despite it being the middle of a weekday, the line for Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton's Wednesday rally stretched for blocks as supporters waited to get into Curtis Hixon Waterfront Park in downtown Tampa."

Link:http://www.cltampa.com/news-views/politics/article/20838683/yes-hillary-clinton-drew-thousands-to-tampa-rally-so-please-sit-down-and-stop-yelling

There are no prominent politicians or trusted famous people stumping for her.

Presidents and Vice Presidents: Obama, Biden, Carter, Gore, Mondale

Other politicians: Literally hundreds: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hillary_Clinton_presidential_campaign_endorsements,_2016

Celebrities: Again, literally hundreds: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hillary_Clinton_presidential_campaign_endorsements,_2016#Celebrities

But hey, you wouldn't want to let reality intrude into your rant, right?

if her supporters want to give up and pretend she won already, more power to them, it will cause fewer hillary voters to actually vote.

That's my worry.

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Clearly, he is suffering from a chronic case of HUAD/cranial rectal inversion.

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