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U.S. President Donald Trump said Wednesday he was looking "very seriously" at ending the right to citizenship for babies born to non-U.S. citizens on American soil.

Perhaps he will. Or perhaps he'll flip-flop once more or outright cave to the highest bidders. After all, with Trump it's all about the bucks stopping in his or his family's pockets. Re caving to the highest bidder, does anyone know how much more the NRA promised Trump (and his GOP enablers) in additional campaign contributions to get him to do the 180 on gun background checks?

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the change could be made "just with an executive order"

Ha ha! Nó. This is just another example of Trump displaying his ignorance.

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Donny cannot simply end birthright citizenship by EO because it's been long established to be a constitutional edict. What a complete and utter moron, just like anyone who supports him.

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name 5 countries in the industrialized world that have birthright citizenship........ that's what I thought... America should not have it either...

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US Constitution matters once again.

But I would agree to an amendment that requires at least 1 parent to be legally inside the USA as either a citizen or a permanent resident for citizenship by location to be conveyed.

Conveying citizenship for people on short-term visas, TPS entries, or illegally inside the USA has been abused for a very long time.

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name 5 countries in the industrialized world that have birthright citizenship........ that's what I thought... America should not have it either...

Name five industrialized countries without socialized medicine . . . that's what I thought . . . America should have it too . . .

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Name five industrialized countries without socialized medicine . . . that's what I thought . . . America should have it too . . .

Red Herring!

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Its hilarious that trump's 3 oldest children were born before their mother had citizenship in the US. Are they going to become Czech?

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Its hilarious that trump's 3 oldest children were born before their mother had citizenship in the US. Are they going to become Czech?

Yeah, I mean, it's not like their dad was American or anything...

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Red Herring!

Just like the original post to which I was replying. Smooth one.

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Red Herring!

Not in the context of the argument that was originally presented.

Name give other industrialised countries that allow unfettered access to guns?

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Just like the original post to which I was replying. Smooth one.

Again, red herring!

Name give other industrialised countries that allow unfettered access to guns?

And again, red herring!

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Not in the context of the argument that was originally presented.

Trumpophiles don't want to pay attention to context unless it gives them an advantage. They are masters at advancing bad-faith arguments.

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They should remove it retroactively. I have to hide my disgust every tine I listen to a Japanese couple talk about how they went to Hawaii or California to have their baby and that he or she is a US citizen.

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@Laguna

It is possible for him to end it solely with an executive order. The same way he had the opportunity to force the funds to be allocated to the wall. He could use a migrant issue as an issue that is posing an actual threat to the US system. He could have a legal team work to draft up how he could use an executive order without the fear of it being overturned. All he would need is for the supreme court to view the interpretation of the 14th amendment. He could issue it, Congress would overturn it on the basis of being unconstitutional as it goes against the 14th amendment. From there, it would be up to the Supreme Court to decide how the amendment is actually interpreted.

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Wow, Donnie really is scared - those Fox News polls showing him losing to all 4 top Dems has him melting down...

So he does what he always does, throw a little red meat to his immigrant-hating, white supremacy base - all those older white folks cowering in their basements with their guns waiting for the "invasion"....

Well, a few of them decide to take their guns out and go down to the local Walmart and "shoot them" like at El Paso...

And if Donnie's father is born in Germany as he has said, isn't he ineligible to be President? This demands an investigation....make him prove he is a US citizen....where's the long form birth certificate?

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Don't get me wrong. It would be a losing battle. However, maybe Trump is betting on his majority in the Supreme Court to uphold something like that. The 14th amendment was passed to grant citizenship to slaves. However, slaves were in America legally, what could be challenged is whether the 14th Amendment should apply to those in the country illegally. Even if he can't fully eradicate the 14th amendment, he can get his end result if the Supreme Court decides that those illegally in the country are not covered under the 14th amendment.

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Also from Taiwan-born Ho: "Opponents of illegal immigration cannot claim to champion the rule of law and then, in the same breath, propose policies that violate our Constitution."

Pretty sound words from a conservative.

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The 14th Amendment was enacted within a few years after the Civil War. 

It's purpose was to prevent Southern states from disenfranchising their newly emancipated slave population, and using their citizenship status as a means of holding them in a de-facto slave status, much the same way that big farming corporations hold illegal immigrants in low paying, dangerous and dirty jobs to this very day.

We have laws about who can enter our country and become a citizen and just opting in is not a legal option. It should be obvious that no one should be rewarded with citizenship for breaking our laws, birthright citizenship is for citizens and not for criminals.

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 I have to hide my disgust every tine I listen to a Japanese couple talk about how they went to Hawaii or California to have their baby and that he or she is a US citizen.

Funny that.  In over 10 years living in Japan I never heard that stated a single time.  Not once.  Perhaps we move in different circles.  And their are restrictions on women in late pregnancy boarding aircraft.  Maybe they went by sea.  Yes, that must be it.

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Typo: there, not their.

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Good initiative, hope no one shows off hey I Have a American passport hereafter..

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Sounds like another Trump brainf4rt to me. He goes on and on about border controls and legal migration, which entails having a robust 'legal' migration framework.

Then he goes and propose to whiteant it with an unconstitutional executive order.

The issue at hand is to find legal means to accept migrants in order to deter illegals migration (which is hazardous to illegals and financially burdensome to USA). Trump seems like he would rather consolidate his racist credentials and remove a long accepted legal means (ie birthright citizenship).

If he was sincere (rather than racist), he would simply tighten up on travel visa for expectant mothers.

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Liberals say there is no problem to change the 1st and 2nd amendment as “times have changed”. All those old white men who made all this were “racist”.

Predictably a much different response on the 14th amendment.

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What a judge said 13 years ago is irrelevant. Has his position “evolved” like liberal positions always do when they want to get elected? Gay marriage in 2006? Dems weren’t “woke” enough for that.

so what is Judge Ho’s opinion now? He couldn’t have known there would be birth tourism and a non secured border still.

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Pretty unambiguous (unlike the 2nd amendment):

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

If Trump doesn't like it, than he can go about amending the Constitution as set forth by Article V:

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.

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extanker:

Yeah, I mean, it's not like their dad was American or anything...

Their dad's Scottish-German. Unfortunately I don't think Germany or Scotland want him.

By the way, the man-child's parents-in-law came to the US under a scheme which he wants to get rid off too. And his wife's first visit and the terms of her visa seem quite mysterious and brings up questions of their own. Send 'em all back!

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name 5 countries in the industrialized world that

...allow their citizens to be slaughtered because their citizens can buy weapons over the counter in supermarkets.

What kind of country supports the right to kill, but not the right to live a better life without harming others?

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Most of you on here are discussing the legal aspect of the matter. What do you Americans really think about 'jus soli' itself? Don't you think it's been abused for a very, very long time (on us soil)?

I think Tump has a point, he just didnt convey it well (not the first time lol).

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@JoeinTokyo

It is ambiguous. Because an actual legal argument can be had as to whether that particular right applies to individuals that are here through illegal means. That is something that multiple people have considered prior to Trump. This argument first started during the Clinton administration when Clinton brought into place the "Clinton’s Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act."

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Trump, the reality TV star keeping the news junkies is a continuous state of uproar. Yesterday it was buying Greenland, today it's citizenship, tomorrow there will be another click bate headline for all the distributing 'cough, cough' news outlets to feed thier customers ads and create profit.

Sad...

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Wow, Donnie really is scared - those Fox News polls showing him losing to all 4 top Dems has him melting down...

The polls said the same about Hillary as well.

So he does what he always does, throw a little red meat to his immigrant-hating, white supremacy base

What about the minorities that support him? Are they racists s well? Benedict Arnold’s? Race traitors?

https://spectator.org/why-trumps-approval-ratings-are-up-among-minorities/

all those older white folks cowering in their basements with their guns waiting for the "invasion"....

Apparently, liberals aren’t paying attention to the Southern border. I would argue apprehending over a thousand illegals a week isn’t a friendly visit or stroll.

Well, a few of them decide to take their guns out and go down to the local Walmart and "shoot them" like at El Paso...

...or anarchist in Dayton.

And if Donnie's father is born in Germany as he has said, isn't he ineligible to be President? This demands an investigation....make him prove he is a US citizen....where's the long form birth certificate?

Why is it that liberals take on an astounding losing debate they could never win.

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What about the minorities that support him? Are they racists s well? Benedict Arnold’s? Race traitors?

Trump was scathing about Jews who vote Democrat. Socialist, debt-loving Don playing identity politics yet again.

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List of countries recognizing jus soli

https://www.businessinsider.com/countries-that-recognize-birthright-citizenship-jus-soli-2018-10

USA, Canada are the big ones. None in the EU without specific conditions and that is just a few countries. None in Asia. The list is mostly western hemisphere and probably for the same reasons, slavery.

I fail to see how anything not about citizenship is on topic.

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Wow, Donnie really is scared - those Fox News polls showing him losing to all 4 top Dems has him melting down...

The polls said the same about Hillary as well.

Losing by 6 points to Kamala Harris - oh my.....

So he does what he always does, throw a little red meat to his immigrant-hating, white supremacy base

What about the minorities that support him? Are they racists s well? Benedict Arnold’s? Race traitors?

Doesn't even hide it - "But What About" - thanks for agreeing with me...

all those older white folks cowering in their basements with their guns waiting for the "invasion"....

Apparently, liberals aren’t paying attention to the Southern border. I would argue apprehending over a thousand illegals a week isn’t a friendly visit or stroll.

Meanwhile six white supremacists emboldened by Trump's hate speech were identified and stopped before they could conduct another El Paso - maybe the invasion is by mentally deranged Trump supporters who kill...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/20/el-paso-shooting-plot-white-supremacist-attacks

Well, a few of them decide to take their guns out and go down to the local Walmart and "shoot them" like at El Paso...

...or anarchist in Dayton.

See above....

And if Donnie's father is born in Germany as he has said, isn't he ineligible to be President? This demands an investigation....make him prove he is a US citizen....where's the long form birth certificate?

Why is it that liberals take on an astounding losing debate they could never win.

Donnie sure didn't win his birtherism slander - unless you define utter humiliation as a win...

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He can't much over the serious problems like Iran, NK and the trade wars so he goes looking for ones to distract the media away from those more serious issues.

Some states are running out of workers with more retiring than new workers taking over. Those states are asking skilled people to delay retirement with business struggling with workforces.

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Can’t be done without a Constitutional amendment.

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Smart move. End it!!

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What a despicable person..

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Losing by 6 points to Kamala Harris - oh my.....

Hillary it was over 21 points

Doesn't even hide it - "But What About" - thanks for agreeing with me...

No, it just means, the polls got it wrong and libs got everything else wrong with trying to get this President, another failed attempt, dust off the corner.

Meanwhile six white supremacists emboldened by Trump's hate speech were identified and stopped before they could conduct another El Paso - maybe the invasion is by mentally deranged Trump supporters who kill...

So you have one idiot racist that allegedly invokes Trump and then you have have another idiot allegedly a follower of Warren that hates Trump and is an Anarchist and Anitifa wants to kill anyone that doesn’t prescribe his twisted ideology. All sick twisted people!

Donnie sure didn't win his birtherism slander - unless you define utter humiliation as a win

No one cared about it, except liberals...odd.

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Losing by 6 points to Kamala Harris - oh my.....

Hillary it was over 21 points

And given Trump's disastrous week, it will no doubt go up to losing to the Top 6 Dems next poll...

Doesn't even hide it - "But What About" - thanks for agreeing with me...

No, it just means, the polls got it wrong and libs got everything else wrong with trying to get this President, another failed attempt, dust off the corner.

Your words, in black and white...

Meanwhile six white supremacists emboldened by Trump's hate speech were identified and stopped before they could conduct another El Paso - maybe the invasion is by mentally deranged Trump supporters who kill...

So you have one idiot racist that allegedly invokes Trump and then you have have another idiot allegedly a follower of Warren that hates Trump and is an Anarchist and Anitifa wants to kill anyone that doesn’t prescribe his twisted ideology. All sick twisted people!

How many more white supremacist Trump supporters will be caught next week before they go on a killing rampage....

Donnie sure didn't win his birtherism slander - unless you define utter humiliation as a win

No one cared about it, except liberals...odd.

Donnie sure cared about it - he still can't let it go. You cared about it - just last week you said you're still a birther... Guess you and Donnie are Liberals....

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Trumpophiles don't want to pay attention to context

First of all I am not a Trump supporter.

Secondly, its odd you mention the word "context" since your reply to my post about birth rights was about gun control.... Maybe you do not know what context means?

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Can’t be done without a Constitutional amendment.

Haven't you heard? He's The Chosen One.

Utterly embarrassing.

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And given Trump's disastrous week, it will no doubt go up to losing to the Top 6 Dems next poll...

Yeah, like he’s going to prison, Stormy will get him locked up, Cohen’s got the goods, Mueller is going to drop the hammer, Billy Bush sank his candidacy, Hillary will smoke him, Bernie will defeat him, 40 FBI agents will get him, 19 angry Hillary supporting Democrats will bury him and now Kamala Harris will beat him.....yaaaawn...ok.

No, it just means, the polls got it wrong and libs got everything else wrong with trying to get this President, another failed attempt, dust off the corner.

Your words, in black and white...

How many more white supremacist Trump supporters will be caught next week before they go on a killing rampage....

...or Antifa conservative hating Anarchists?

Donnie sure cared about it -

Dems cared more about it, really odd. Podesta, the hero.

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They should remove it retroactively. I have to hide my disgust every tine I listen to a Japanese couple talk about how they went to Hawaii or California to have their baby and that he or she is a US citizen.

So you never have to hide your disgust, then?

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If the child of two U.S. citizens is born in Japan, that child is not a Japanese citizen. But if the child of two Japanese citizens is born in the U.S. that child is an American citizen. Hmmm....

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If the child of two U.S. citizens is born in Japan, that child is not a Japanese citizen. But if the child of two Japanese citizens is born in the U.S. that child is an American citizen. Hmmm....

Almost as if different countries have different laws. I know you wish Trump was an emperor, but you know that the US and Japan are different, right?

Right?

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They should remove it retroactively. I have to hide my disgust every tine I listen to a Japanese couple talk about how they went to Hawaii or California to have their baby and that he or she is a US citizen.

Even if that wasn't make-believe, the person would have to decide at 20 years, whether to be Japanese or American.

I guest you must really hate the Japanese?

Serrano

If the child of two U.S. citizens is born in Japan, that child is not a Japanese citizen. But if the child of two Japanese citizens is born in the U.S. that child is an American citizen. Hmmm....

American constitution. 30 countries have birthright citizenship but not Japan unless one of the parents are Japanese.

Child born in American with Japanese parents would have to decide at 20 which nationality to take. Japanese or American. The majority take Japanese.

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And given Trump's disastrous week, it will no doubt go up to losing to the Top 6 Dems next poll...

Yeah, like he’s going to prison, Stormy will get him locked up, Cohen’s got the goods, Mueller is going to drop the hammer, Billy Bush sank his candidacy, Hillary will smoke him, Bernie will defeat him, 40 FBI agents will get him, 19 angry Hillary supporting Democrats will bury him and now Kamala Harris will beat him.....yaaaawn...ok.

Great rundown of all of Trump's disasters...but this week was even worse....a Fox News poll - that hurt...

No, it just means, the polls got it wrong and libs got everything else wrong with trying to get this President, another failed attempt, dust off the corner.

Your words, in black and white...

Once again, your words....

How many more white supremacist Trump supporters will be caught next week before they go on a killing rampage....

...or Antifa conservative hating Anarchists?

Haven't seen any of those - but police arrested 6 MAGA hat wearing white supremacists...

Donnie sure cared about it -

Dems cared more about it, really odd. Podesta, the hero.

What a load - Donnie stuck to it and was humiliated. And some Trumpers still believe it, right?

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Child born in American with Japanese parents would have to decide at 20 which nationality to take. Japanese or American. The majority take Japanese.

I doubt that, not the ones I know.

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bass4funk

Child born in American with Japanese parents would have to decide at 20 which nationality to take. Japanese or American. The majority take Japanese.

I doubt that, not the ones I know.

A child born in America with both Japanese parents and living in Japan would be very restricted if they only have American citizenship, which would mean they need a visa. Under Japanese law they must decide by 20 years.

The children I know of American-Japanese parents and living in Japan all selected to be Japanese and all attended Japanese public schools.

It's difficult to find any numbers for Japanese born in America under birthright but I would think, if any, the numbers would be small and insignificant. Most Japanese mothers would want their child born on Japanese soil.

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Great rundown of all of Trump's disasters...but this week was even worse....a Fox News poll - that hurt...

No, they also predicted a Hillary win.

Once again, your words....

Dust the corner...

Haven't seen any of those -

Why would liberals pay attention to their own creations?

but police arrested 6 MAGA hat wearing white supremacists...

and the other 7 Antifa Anarchists.

What a load - Donnie stuck to it and was humiliated.

Humiliated? What for? Not Trump’s style. But let’s not forget John Podesta the architect of the movement, he should wear it like a badge of honor.

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name 5 countries in the industrialized world that have birthright citizenship........ that's what I thought... America should not have it either...

Weak and dumb way of arguing.

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A child born in America with both Japanese parents and living in Japan would be very restricted if they only have American citizenship, which would mean they need a visa. Under Japanese law they must decide by 20 years.

I know a lot of people that retain both and use both and never a ruckus is made.

The children I know of American-Japanese parents and living in Japan all selected to be Japanese and all attended Japanese public schools.

And the ones I know all chose the American ones, especially when they sent their kids to go to school and college to get better opportunities in employment.

It's difficult to find any numbers for Japanese born in America under birthright but I would think,

When people say that, I tend to think something else....

if any, the numbers would be small and insignificant. Most Japanese mothers would want their child born on Japanese soil

I wouldn’t say most, many, but not most especially if they’re married to a foreigner.

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Great rundown of all of Trump's disasters...but this week was even worse....a Fox News poll - that hurt...

No, they also predicted a Hillary win.

So you can't trust Fox News?

Once again, your words....

Dust the corner...

And?

Haven't seen any of those -

Why would liberals pay attention to their own creations?

Maybe because they don't exist...

but police arrested 6 MAGA hat wearing white supremacists...

and the other 7 Antifa Anarchists.

Huh? Where?

What a load - Donnie stuck to it and was humiliated.

Humiliated? What for? Not Trump’s style. But let’s not forget John Podesta the architect of the movement, he should wear it like a badge of honor.

Humiliated - and some still believe it, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8TwRmX6zs4

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MAKE IT HAPPEN!

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So you can't trust Fox News?

I don’t trust polls overwhelmingly, Fox got it wrong in 2016, I never trusted polls to a heavy degree, I learned that in 1998.

And?

Exactly, nothing else to say.

Maybe because they don't exist...

Burying the head in the sand won’t make the problem of Anarchist, socialists go away.

Huh? Where?

Oregon..

Humiliated -

Not Trump, the man is never apologetic, now if you could prove that...

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In fact, there are TWO avenues by which he can do this.

https://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2018/11/02/klukowski-how-trump-could-win-on-birthright-citizenship/

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So you can't trust Fox News?

I don’t trust polls overwhelmingly, Fox got it wrong in 2016, I never trusted polls to a heavy degree, I learned that in 1998.

So, you can't trust Fox News?

And?

Exactly, nothing else to say.

OK, well thanks for agreeing with me...

Maybe because they don't exist...

Burying the head in the sand won’t make the problem of Anarchist, socialists go away.

The Fascist white supremacists seem to be leading in the murder toll, but sure, bury your head in the sand...

Huh? Where?

Oregon..

And?

Humiliated -

Not Trump, the man is never apologetic, now if you could prove that...

As the video showed, he was humiliated like a dog....he should have crawled under the table to hide his shame...

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bass4funk

your own Japanese kids will have to decide by 20 year whether to be American or Japanese. While it's true that for some holding dual nationality of American-Japanese its possible behind the scenes. Japanese government has the right to cancel their Japanese citizenship if discovered. Someone on JT posted about that yesterday.

American with J-wife living in America for long time and taking citizenship there but needed to return to Japan to care for her parents only to discover her Japanese citizenship had been cancelled and now requires a visas to live here.

I know a lot of people that retain both and use both and never a ruckus is made.

Just how many out of serious interest, how many do you actual know. I know less than 10 but they all chose Japanese.

And the ones I know all chose the American ones, especially when they sent their kids to go to school and college to get better opportunities in employment.

If they chose American citizenship over Japanese and continue to live in Japan they would require a visa.

A child of American-Japanese would have to chose Japanese citizenship first, then try to obtain American one later behind the scene but America and Japan do share data and like I said the Japanese citizenship can be cancelled.

If a child is born with one American parent they can claim American citizenship. If a child born in America to Japanese parents they too have birthright and must decide by 20 years.

I can't find any data on Japanese birthright citizenship but I would think the numbers to be very low and more accidental than planned. A pregnant Japanese mother isn't going to fly the long haul to America, even Hawaii is 9 hours to have her baby. Find a hospital and pay for the private medical care.

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The Trump regime is a disgrace to the civilized world!

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So, you can't trust Fox News?

I don’t trust “polls”overwhelmingly, Fox got it wrong in 2016, I never trusted polls to a heavy degree, I learned that in 1998.

OK, well thanks for agreeing with me...

Dusting the corner again?

The Fascist white supremacists seem to be leading in the murder toll,

But on the overall violence toll the Antifa leads 10 to 1, attacking a gay conservative journalist? Why? What for? Astounding....

but sure, bury your head in the sand... 

Huh? Where?

Oregon..

And?

As the video showed, he was humiliated like a dog

I think liberals see what they want, I saw an unapologetic man who admittedly points to the man who started the fiasco. Mr. John Podesta who’s still unrepentant. No wonder they lost.

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If you are born abroad to one United States citizen and one foreign citizen, you may be considered a US citizen if you meet the following requirements:

One of your parents was a US citizen when you were born.

The parent who is a US citizen has lived at least five years in the US before you were born.

The parent who is a U.S. citizen must have lived in the US for at least two of those five years following his/her fourteenth birthday.

If you’re considered a US citizen you need to file tax returns with the IRS.

https://americansoverseas.org/en/knowledge-centre/when-are-you-a-us-person-for-tax-purposes/when-are-you-a-us-citizen/

Chapter 3 - United States Citizens at Birth (INA 301 and 309)

https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-12-part-h-chapter-3

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your own Japanese kids will have to decide by 20 year whether to be American or Japanese.

They’ll choose American.

While it's true that for some holding dual nationality of American-Japanese its possible behind the scenes. Japanese government has the right to cancel their Japanese citizenship if discovered. Someone on JT posted about that yesterday.

They have the absolute right, but again, most don’t make a ruckus and most don’t care and most just let things stay as they are.

American with J-wife living in America for long time and taking citizenship there but needed to return to Japan to care for her parents only to discover her Japanese citizenship had been cancelled and now requires a visas to live here.

That happens indeed quite often.

Just how many out of serious interest, how many do you actual know. I know less than 10 but they all chose Japanese.

I know more than 15 and they chose the American.

If they chose American citizenship over Japanese and continue to live in Japan they would require a visa.

That’s quite alright.

A child of American-Japanese would have to chose Japanese citizenship first, then try to obtain American one later behind the scene but America and Japan do share data and like I said the Japanese citizenship can be cancelled. 

You already mentioned that.

If a child is born with one American parent they can claim American citizenship. If a child born in America to Japanese parents they too have birthright and must decide by 20 years.

Yes, we know this already

I can't find any data on Japanese birthright citizenship but I would think the numbers to be very low and more accidental than planned. A pregnant Japanese mother isn't going to fly the long haul to America, even Hawaii is 9 hours to have her baby. Find a hospital and pay for the private medical care

That wasn’t the issue.

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So, you can't trust Fox News?

I don’t trust “polls”overwhelmingly, Fox got it wrong in 2016, I never trusted polls to a heavy degree, I learned that in 1998.

Well, good for a conservative to admit Fox can't be trusted...

The Fascist white supremacists seem to be leading in the murder toll,

But on the overall violence toll the Antifa leads 10 to 1, attacking a gay conservative journalist? Why? What for? Astounding....

What's astounding is you offer nothing to back your 10-1 claim.....

As the video showed, he was humiliated like a dog

I think liberals see what they want, I saw an unapologetic man who admittedly points to the man who started the fiasco. Mr. John Podesta who’s still unrepentant. No wonder they lost.

Obama shamed him like a scolded dog...what humiliation....

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bass4funk

so I would just like to be clear.

So your kids will chose to be American by the age of 20 and will live in America rather than Japan, or they will continue to live in Japan with visas or behind the scene dual nationality. You will send them to university/college in America and not Japan. How does your J-wife think about that.

They have the absolute right,

I think your kids can apply for American citizenship but they don't have an "absolute right".

Chapter 3 - United States Citizens at Birth (INA 301 and 309)

https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-12-part-h-chapter-3

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Japan does not allow Birth Right Citizenship, neither does any other country in the world.

It is an outdated law and should be modified for the current times.

Only Legal residents that are approved to immigrate to the USA whom have children should be considered a National Born Citizen.

NO Tourists, No one that is a Foreign resident, Also should apply to H1B visa's and other temporary visitors.

Only Legal residents and Citizens should be allowed Citizenship

And also as long as 1 parent is a Legal resident and/or Citizen.

Laws and regulations need to develop and advance as the times change.

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DocCarlos

Japan does not allow Birth Right Citizenship, neither does any other country in the world.

America has birthright citizenship has does about 30 other countries but both America and Canada are the only two developed countries which has it.

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Well, good for a conservative to admit Fox can't be trusted...

I never said anything about FNC, I just mentioned the polls.

What's astounding is you offer nothing to back your 10-1 claim.....

So now YouTube is lying? How you can alter video? Only Copperfield can do that.

Obama shamed him like a scolded dog

Impossible, he didn’t even talk to Podesta

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bass4funk

you said your Japanese born kids will chose to be American by their age of 20. Are you deciding for them or will they decide for themselves. Families I have known in the same situation let the kids decide about their nationality, and in all those cases chose Japanese and to stay in Japan.

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he was looking "very seriously" at ending the right to citizenship for babies born to non-U.S. citizens on American soil

absolutely, this is something that should of been a long time ago. Many of you Trump haters are living in Japan, what does Japan say about babies being born, in Japan, to non-Japanese parents? For that matter, Korea, China, Singapore, etc?

The run across the border, have a baby, then get "anchored" to it so you can reap all the benefits is insane and promotes corruption in their mother countries, just as chain immigration does. This should of been illegal decades ago but nobody could stand up and do it.

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So your kids will chose to be American by the age of 20

Yes.

and will live in America rather than Japan, or they will continue to live in Japan with visas or behind the scene dual nationality. You will send them to university/college in America and not Japan.

Yes.

How does your J-wife think about that.

She’s 110% for it.

I think your kids can apply for American citizenship

They have it already

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bass4funk

They have it already

So your underage kids travel with American passports? How does that work with Japanese immigration?

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name 5 countries in the industrialized world that have birthright citizenship........ that's what I thought... America should not have it either...

totally agree

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So your underage kids travel with American passports? How does that work with Japanese immigration?

Never had a problem so far.

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bass4funk

Never had a problem so far.

So your kids travel with American passports and visas obtained in America. You travel with an American passport and your wife with a Japanese one. I guess your wife also needs a visa when visiting America?

I understand the visa requirements for adults travelling/living in Japan but I don't know about kids. Your visa first would have been a spouse visa and the PR. What kind of visa do kids with American passport require?

I'm just trying to understand these complicated family situations for future reference.

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@Pukey2

Their dad's Scottish-German. Unfortunately I don't think Germany or Scotland want him.

Actually, Germany bannished the grand-father never to come back for dodging the draft, so then he opened a brothel/casino.

The apple did not fall far.

@DocCarlosToday  12:24 pm JST

Japan does not allow Birth Right Citizenship, neither does any other country in the world.

I think the figure is actually 30 countries, albeit many are just small island nations. It seems to be an American thing, North and South.

Once upon a time it was decided upon because it was in the nation's benefit.

Is "birth tourism" a bit problem in the USA, there's a plague of Nigerians up to it elsewhere. Late term pregnant women deliberately getting on a plane to take them to where they know they will get free maternity healthcare.

There were some outstanding case of Nigerian women giving birth to quintuplets and racking up $100,000s bills that are then never paid.

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Man imagine if Trump work this hard to help American citizens as much as he talks about immigration.

Again Trump doesn't understand how America works and seems to not understand America's laws.

What a mess of a president.

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bass4funk

i think your are saying that you have registered your kids for American citizenship but actually travel with Japanese passports. By the age of 20 they will still have to decide whether to be American or Japanese and can't be finalised until then. If they go the route of behind the scene dual nationality, and some do, they are open to having their Japanese citizenship cancelled but probably unlikely.

That could be a problem if they live in America for a long period and then decide to return to live in Japan. At least according to a poster on JT yesterday.

The majority of birthright citizenships are the Japanese.

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@DocCarlos

Japan does not allow Birth Right Citizenship, neither does any other country in the world.

Many countries in the western sphere follows the citizenship birthrights doctrine, not just USA. In the USA context, denying birthright citizenship is deeply rooted in racism. Google Kim Wong Ark.

This is another of Trump's brainf4rt that he will regret, and when you add the racist attack on the 4 Dems, it's sure to certify Trump as a deep rooted racist.

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Trump is just testing the waters for 2020. As I've said before, with no accomplishments, he will make it about immigration and will use racism

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We have much bigger problems than what he terms birthright citizenship. This man completely denies the existence of global warming, so of course he feels no remorse about making it worse. Birthright citizenship will not have an effect on global warming.

In slightly less than one year and five months, the big orange draft dodger will be replaced in the White House. It is inconceivable that anyone who replaces him could be worse than he.

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Well, good for a conservative to admit Fox can't be trusted...

I never said anything about FNC, I just mentioned the polls.

Like his President, more flipping than Simone Biles...

What's astounding is you offer nothing to back your 10-1 claim.....

So now YouTube is lying? How you can alter video? Only Copperfield can do that.

What Youtube?

Obama shamed him like a scolded dog

Impossible, he didn’t even talk to Podesta

I'm surprised he didn't get up and leave - he just sat there and suffered the humiliation....

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The people who argue for gun control by saying, “the constitution was written in the days of muskets, not machine guns” should also see the logic in revising the birthright law because “the constitution was written when it took 3 months on a wooden sailboat to come to America, not 9 hours on a jet.”

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Outside of third world countries, the US and Canada are the only “developed” nations that use birthright citizenship. So Japan the fact that Japan doesn’t recognize it does not make Japan an outlier. In this case, the US and Canada are considered outliers. In all, there are about 20 countries that recognize birthright Citizenship and all but two are located in either North or South America.

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So your underage kids travel with American passports? How does that work with Japanese immigration?

Children with dual Us/Japanese citizenship use either passport to travel. Japan prefers they enter and leave Japan on their Japanese passport, just like the US.

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It's also very, very rare for the Japanese government to force the issue of making a choice or just outright cancelling Japanese citizenship (especially without notice).

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It's also very rare for the Japanese government to force the issue of making a choice or just outright cancelling Japanese citizenship (especially without notice)

I recently read that no natural born Japanese has ever had their citizenship removed.

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I recently read that no natural born Japanese has ever had their citizenship removed.

The other day on the JT post,

Someone posted that his J-wife had her citizenship cancelled after they had lived in America for year but had to return to Japan to take care of her parents.

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Someone posted that his J-wife had her citizenship cancelled after they had lived in America for year but had to return to Japan to take care of her parents.

I’m skeptical. People claim lots of things, without something to support it I doubt it happened. It was the government who claimed its never happened.

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I’m skeptical. People claim lots of things, without something to support it I doubt it happened. It was the government who claimed its never happened.

Sometimes on JT we have to take comments at face value?

The point is, the Japanese under the Nationality Law can cancel a citizenship if it decides to. More recently, Canada also introduced a law to be able to cancel a dual citizenship and the UK has the same type law.

I have never heard of a case but that does not mean anything too.

Loss of citizenship requires the approval of the Minister of Justice.

A Japanese national is assumed to have renounced their nationality upon naturalization in any foreign country.

Under the revisions made to the Nationality Law in 1985, Articles 14 and 15 require any person who holds multiple citizenship to make a "declaration of choice" between the ages of 20 and 22, in which they choose to renounce either their Japanese nationality or their foreign citizenship(s). Failure to do so entitles the Minister of Justice to demand a declaration of choice at any time. If the required declaration is not made within one month, their Japanese nationality is automatically revoked. A renunciation of foreign citizenship made before Japanese officials may be considered by a foreign state as having no legal effect as is the case with, for example, United States citizenship.

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JJ JetplaneToday 09:25 am JST

It is ambiguous. Because an actual legal argument can be had as to whether that particular right applies to individuals that are here through illegal means

The text is not, and as long as the judges stay disciplined and plain-read things whenever they can, there should be no problem. It is only when you un-necessarily allow "intention" into the mix that the problem starts.

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All things considered, aren't Americans worries about their president?

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So your kids travel with American passports and visas obtained in America.

Yes.

You travel with an American passport and your wife with a Japanese one.

Yes.

I guess your wife also needs a visa when visiting America?

Yes.

I understand the visa requirements for adults travelling/living in Japan but I don't know about kids. Your visa first would have been a spouse visa and the PR. What kind of visa do kids with American passport require?

My kids were born in Japan, but obtained USA citizenship in the States

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i think your are saying that you have registered your kids for American citizenship but actually travel with Japanese passports.

No, we use the US for the mainland and it’s territories.

By the age of 20 they will still have to decide whether to be American or Japanese and can't be finalised until then.

Not necessarily. I know two American/Japanese celebs and they retain both, never had a problem and they use both depending on the situation.

If they go the route of behind the scene dual nationality, and some do, they are open to having their Japanese citizenship cancelled but probably unlikely.

Could be

That could be a problem if they live in America for a long period and then decide to return to live in Japan. At least according to a poster on JT yesterday.

The majority of birthright citizenships are the Japanese.

Hmmmmm....not so sure about that.

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bass4funk

Thank you for the info and hope your kids get what they want.

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Like his President, more flipping than Simone Biles...

who?.

What Youtube?

The site that debunks all liberals myths and Pinocchio’s.

I'm surprised he didn't get up and leave

The man has won every fight, why would he leave, that would imply guilt.

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I believe birthright citizenship is stipulated in the US. Constitution.

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The problem is that these people are doing it to get access to benefits they dont deserve. Why not make their own country great like bake their own cake instead of eating from the efforts of others.

So much pride and heritage, we even have a Hispanic heritage month. Why not have some pride and build up your own country.

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The problem is that these people are doing it to get access to benefits they dont deserve

[Citation needed]

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This part of the U. S. Constitution may help draw talent from overseas . . . ?

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