President Donald Trump speaks about the ongoing situation in Charlottesville, Va., at Trump National Golf Club, Saturday, Aug. 12, 2017, in Bedminster, N.J. (AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais) Photo: AP
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Trump blames 'many sides' for violent clashes in Virginia

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By JONATHAN LEMIRE

President Donald Trump on Saturday blamed "many sides" for the violent clashes between protesters and white supremacists in Virginia and contended that the "hatred and bigotry" broadcast across the country had taken root long before his political ascendancy.

That was not how the Charlottesville mayor assessed the chaos that led the governor to declare a state of emergency, contending that Trump's campaign fed the flames of prejudice.

Trump, on a working vacation at his New Jersey golf club, had intended to speak briefly at a ceremony marking the signing of bipartisan legislation to aid veterans, but he quickly found that those plans were overtaken by the escalating violence in the Virginia college town.

He told reporters that he had just spoken to Gov. Terry McAuliffe, D-Va., and "we agreed that the hate and the division must stop, and must stop right now. We have to come together as Americans with love for our nation and ... true affection for each other."

The president said that "what is vital now is a swift restoration of law and order and the protection of innocent lives."

White nationalists had assembled in Charlottesville to vent their frustration against the city's plans to take down a statue of Confederal Gen. Robert E. Lee. Counter-protesters massed in opposition.

A few hours after violent encounters between the two groups, a car drove into a crowd of people peacefully protesting the rally. One person died and at least 26 were sent to hospitals.

"We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides," Trump said.

"It's been going on for a long time in our country. Not Donald Trump. Not Barack Obama. It's been going on for a long, long time," he said.

Mayor Michael Signer said he was disgusted that the white nationalists had come to his town and blamed Trump for inflaming racial prejudices with his campaign last year.

"I'm not going to make any bones about it. I place the blame for a lot of what you're seeing in American today right at the doorstep of the White House and the people around the president," he said.

Disturbances began Friday night during a march through the University of Virginia before escalating Saturday.

The White House was silent for hours except for a tweet from first lady Melania Trump: "Our country encourages freedom of speech, but let's communicate w/o hate in our hearts."

Trump later tweeted: "We ALL must be united & condemn all that hate stands for." He also said "there is no place for this kind of violence in America. Lets come together as one!"

House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wis., took to Twitter to denounce the scene.

"The views fueling the spectacle in Charlottesville are repugnant. Let it only serve to unite Americans against this kind of vile bigotry," he said.

In his remarks, Trump mentioned the strong economy and "the many incredible things in our country, so when I watch Charlottesville, to me it's very, very said."

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President Donald Trump on Saturday blamed "many sides"

Don't wanna upset the base too much now, do we?

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It's time to end the division and hatred in America.

Stop spewing hate and sowing discord.

Unite as one nation, one people, equal and free, under one president.

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It would be so easy for the POTUS to just say - "These people are white nationalists and neo-nazis. They are despicable, and deserve no place in modern America. They do not represent our values, and I will not let them spread hate and prejudice in my, my staff's or America's name".

But he won't do it.

That says all you need to know.

What does he even mean by "many sides"?

The white nationalists are the one showing up in militia gear with fully loaded assault rifles, in Nazi paraphernalia, in KKK dresses. They are the ones making the racist and anti-Semitic chants. And they are doing it in his name. Explicitly so.

His refusal to name and condemn them only emboldens the far-right. His silence on the identity of the perpetrators says more about the POTUS than all his silly tweets and idotic interviews.

Pretty ironic that he always called out Obama for not calling radical Islamic terrorism by its name (something I too wish Obama had done).

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Don't wanna upset the base too much now, do we?

Here we go again, the left can't resist to interject racism once again into this. If libs want to make the hilarious and outrageous (nothing ever surprises me with Liberals) claim that Trump is reposible for the hatred of these racist morons running in the streets, then we can also say Obama was responsible for the rise, hatred and violence that the BLM committed against the police, people, property and in schools.

The MSM trying to stir up tensions once again. This is so nutty as well as dangerous for the entire country. I find both groups deplorable and counter productive for the nation and with all the other things that are going on, this is the last thing we need.

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Here we go again, the left can't resist to interject racism once again into this

From the moment the KKK, white nationalists and the alt-right were involved, it was about racism.

The MSM trying to stir up tensions once again. 

Oh, so did the MSM plow into a group of counter-protesters? The MSM killed at least 1, and injured 19?

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It would be so easy for the POTUS to just say - 


Not really. Trump would have to do it in all cases of political violence which would be mixing oil and oil, like the baseball practice shooter just two months ago who hated the president personally as well apparently as Republicans in general.

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Well, I'm no a native English speaker, but it does seem that Trump uses tougher language on North Korea than on white supremacists. US guys at the office talk about when the US will break up, and whether the breakup will be peaceful or bloody. I'm guessing bloody.

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The GOP will have to walk a fine line on this one. They don't want to alienate the racists that flock to their party, but they don't want to be dismissive about murder, either.

Bass: I find both groups deplorable and counter productive

You think both the white nationalists and the counter protesters are deplorable? Wow.

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From the moment the KKK, white nationalists and the alt-right were involved, it was about racism.

More like it started when you had the alt left and the New Black Panther Party blocking and intimidating voters forcing people to vote Democrat and the BLM intimidating people.

Oh, so did the MSM plow into a group of counter-protesters? The MSM killed at least 1, and injured 19?

How the attack and murder of police officers where attacks have been on the rise as much as 19% burning and rioting on college campuses and yes, the MSM has been pushing and interacting narrative. Also seems like the person driving the car was an Antifa racist. They're still investigating, but how about taking a step back before the left gleefully come out with accusations before the facts.

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So far bass has brought the BLM, the MSM, and the Black Panthers?

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As usual, Trump offers no sympathy for the injured, but would rather tout his so-called 'accomplishments'. He likes taking every single opportunity to put himself before any disaster or travesty. Look up the definition of egomaniac and you'll find a picture of him.

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So far bass has brought the BLM, the MSM, and the Black Panthers?

Super, be fair, if you make accusations that the right are all racists or that Trump is responsible that is so over the top irresponsible and out of line, the right would make the same accusations about the left, the alt left and the MSM would lose their minds. Both sides are deplorable, but it just angers me, but not surprises me who the left are going to blame for this.

As usual, Trump offers no sympathy for the injured, but would rather tout his so-called 'accomplishments'.

Ahhh, the Trump haters try to come up with their own narrative because it doesn't appease the minds of the left.

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forcing people to vote Democrat and the BLM intimidating people.

1) what is the new Black Panther Party?

2) Show me where they forced people to vote for Democrats.

Hell, even if they did, that in no way excuses the murder of protesters.

They're still investigating, but how about taking a step back

Is a odd suggestion to make after:

Also seems like the person driving the car was an Antifa racist

So, on the one hand you say we shouldn't leap to conclusions, but on the other hand, you do exactly that.

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American hatred, racism, and violence all on display for the entire world to see. Did the police declare it an unlawful assembly -- I'll bet they didn't, for that only happens at Black Lives Matter rallies. Regardless of their Constitutional rights, White Supremacists (not "White Nationalists") will be fought tooth and nail every time they carry out anti-American acts.

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Ahhh, the Trump haters try to come up with their own narrative because it doesn't appease the minds of the left.

Read the article, that is precisely what he did:

In his remarks, Trump mentioned the strong economy and "the many incredible things in our country, so when I watch Charlottesville, to me it's very, very said."

How is the economy and "incredible things" relevant to Charlottesville, and why is it so hard for Donny to stay on topic?

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First, we need to give the police time to do their job, and find out who the driver was, and what their motivation was. Then, we can speak with more certainty. I'm tired of the media taking the easy road and obsessing over various politiians' reactions to a situation, rather than doing actual journalism about the situation itself. This is a product of the 24 hour media cycle, which needs SOMETHING to fill the airtime before actual information is available.

Second, protesting Robert E Lee is stupid. He was by no means a southern slave master, rather he was a patriot who saw his loyalty to his state as more important than his loyalty to Washington. He was rather liberal for his time. I oppose this kind of Soviet masking of history and looking at the past through the lens of contemporary social/political mores. How about setting up a statue beside Lee's, which gives the other side of the situation? Simply erasing the visible signs of a troubled past won't erase historical reality.

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1) what is the new Black Panther Party?

A Black racist group

2) Show me where they forced people to vote for Democrats.

https://www.americasfreedomfighters.com/2017/03/23/new-black-panthers-alert/

Hell, even if they did, that in no way excus

No, but don't point a finger thinking that a racist or racism is regulated to the White race only, that thought in itself is racist.

So, on the one hand you say we shouldn't leap to conclusions, but on the other hand, you do exactly that.

Not at all, but nice try. The issue for me is the alt left trying to make idiotic statements as if the president had anything to do with it. If you wanted to blame the White Supremacists, I'm with you, but at the same time, the counter protesters are extremely violent, they've had historically a violent past worldwide and putting both groups together is a recipe for violence.

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takeda.shingen.1991@gmail.com: what is the new Black Panther Party?

During one of the elections, I think it was 8 years ago, 3 black people showed up at a polling place in a black neighborhood saying they were Black Panthers and telling people to vote for Obama. The cops were called and they were removed.

Why is it being quoted now? Because that story got massive, massive, massive rotation in the right-wing media, and still does to this day. Now the right can and will bring that up on a moment's notice when false equivalency is a good option for them. Like when a ton of people show up at a white supremacists rally they can mention the Black Panthers. All because of 3 guys nearly a decade ago.

It's the gift the keeps on giving.

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bass4funk: Super, be fair, if you make accusations that the right are all racists

Not true at all. I specifically say that not all Republicans are racist, but if you are, the GOP is the party for you. I believe your position is that everyone on the left is racist, and you especially target black people as racist. Perhaps you've changed your mind, which is a good thing.

Both sides are deplorable

When BLM is mentioned I've never seen you start talking about white supremacists and saying how bad both groups are. Or am I wrong?

How the attack and murder of police officers where attacks have been on the rise as much as 19% burning and rioting on college campuses

So we've covered BLM, the Black Panthers, the MSM, and now we're moving on to dead cops and burning and rioting on college campuses?

Clearly both sides anger you.

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So, Ukrianian neo-nazis are OK when they attack innocent Ukrianians and the Odessa massacre, supported by Obama, but American neo nazis no. BTW, I hate neo-nazis, both Ukrainian and American. But just checking, since many lefties supported the Ukrianian neo nazis, or just conveniently ignored them.

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During one of the elections, I think it was 8 years ago, 3 black people showed up at a polling place in a black neighborhood saying they were Black Panthers and telling people to vote for Obama. The cops were called and they were removed.

That doesn't mean that the Alt left didn't have their tentacles embedded within it's admin. influencing and trying to marginalize a segment of the country and demeaning them and treating them as if their presence doesn't matter and they are simply insignificant. Because of that, the anger and the hatred has grown, not because they see themselves as superior, but the alt left sees themselves as superior. 

Why is it being quoted now? Because that story got massive, massive, massive rotation in the right-wing media, and still does to this day. Now the right can and will bring that up on a moment's notice when false equivalency is a good option for them.

No, the left once again, has run out of options as to how to keep themselves relevant and are quick to jump on the White Supremacists, but give the Antifa and counter protesters a full pass, it's so disgusting. 

Like when a ton of people show up at a white supremacists rally they can mention the Black Panthers. All because of 3 guys nearly a decade ago. 

It's the gift the keeps on giving.

Ok, so 3 people tragically died, why is it that the left have to get so rowdy and violent, why can they just not march, protest and shout at the other person, why resorting to physical violence?

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Oh, so did the MSM plow into a group of counter-protesters?

Of course that wasn't terrorism, just freedom of speech by ordinary white americans.

we need to go back to the 60's. free love, hippy drugs, relaxing non violent music.

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bass: No, but don't point a finger thinking that a racist or racism is regulated to the White race only, that thought in itself is racist.

Takeda, here's where you see it in action. Three black guys being racist counters the entire weight of white supremacists, the alt-right, and pretty much all racism from whites. It's like how Senator Robert Byrd can be used to answer to any number of racists politicians the GOP has today.

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Those poor white people. First, they lost their Constitutional Right to own black slaves. Then they lost the right to sit ahead of them in buses. Sometimes white people have people of color as bosses, supervisor, and teachers. Black cops can arrest them. One even became President. These poor abused white people just want to know "when will this ever stop?"

Might as well call it a Trump rally, he certainly has encouraged these Neo Nazi rallies for over a year now.

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Takeda, here's where you see it in action. Three black guys being racist counters the entire weight of white supremacists, the alt-right, and pretty much all racism from whites. 

You forgot the violence perpetrated by the BLM as well. Racism is not regulated to groups like the White Supremacists, KKK, the Antifa, the counter protesters, BLM are all racists and should be condemned in the strongest terms. If

It's like how Senator Robert Byrd can be used to answer to any number of racists politicians the GOP has today.

Ahhh, the darling of the left. a former grand wizard.

Those poor white people. First, they lost their Constitutional Right to own black slaves. Then they lost the right to sit ahead of them in buses. Sometimes white people have people of color as bosses, supervisor, and teachers. Black cops can arrest them.

One even became President.

Wilson????

These poor abused white people just want to know "when will this ever stop?"

Hmmmm....more evidence that when the left shows and use the race card, it's perfectly acceptable, but when the right uses it, it's vile and despicable.

Might as well call it a Trump rally, he certainly has encouraged these Neo Nazi rallies for over a year now.

But the difference is most Trump rallies were peaceful. Remember, the Nazi movement in the US have been active for years and very active during the Obama admin. so you can make the argument that he encouraged the growth and anger of this vile group, so please be fair in your observation in holding both sides accountable.

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You forgot the violence perpetrated

Speeding car rams crowd of US counterprotesters after street fights in Virginia

(news source)

Trump followers are a violent bunch. Trump encourages this. Proof:

Donald Trump calls supporters' violence against protesters "appropriate," says "that's what we need more of."

(news source)

so please be fair in your observation in holding both sides accountable.

We are. Trump is a very violent president. Obama never told people to attack other people like Trump does.

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Tump must appreciates his hard core supporters very much at the wake of critical moment that might threaten his presidency

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Yes, many sides of the right-wing white nationalists: KKK, neo-Nazis, National Policy Institute, etc etc

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Remember, the Nazi movement in the US have been active for years and very active during the Obama admin. so you can make the argument that he encouraged the growth and anger of this vile group

Alrighty, then. We've covered BLM, the Black Panthers, the MSM, the Alt-Left (?), the Left in general, violent counterprotesters, and now for good measure we're going to throw in Obama helping Nazis. All in the first hour.

And as for the white supremacists mentioned in the story? Eh, I didn't see any criticism there, but maybe I just need to be patient.

Because clearly both sides anger you.

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I listened with profound sadness as our President drew a moral equivalence between White Nationalists/Supremacists and the folks who came out to protest them. It broke my heart to hear. You can tell where Trump's true allegiance lies. He'll never call out the Russians and the racists because they're the two groups that got him elected.

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The violence and the vitriol that the Alt left spew on a daily basis and now sending their surrogates to inflict more racism and clashing with other racists is very disturbing. One giant racist stand off, pathetic!

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The violence and the vitriol...

...that Trump promotes:

"I'll beat the crap out of you,"

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Wait, I found it:

bass: If you wanted to blame the White Supremacists, I'm with you, but

It was lost in all of this other stuff:

Here we go again, the left can't resist to interject racism once again into this. If libs want to make the hilarious and outrageous (nothing ever surprises me with Liberals) claim that Trump is reposible for the hatred of these racist morons running in the streets, then we can also say Obama was responsible for the rise, hatred and violence that the BLM committed against the police, people, property and in schools.

The MSM trying to stir up tensions once again. This is so nutty as well as dangerous for the entire country. I find both groups deplorable and counter productive for the nation and with all the other things that are going on, this is the last thing we need.

More like it started when you had the alt left and the New Black Panther Party blocking and intimidating voters forcing people to vote Democrat and the BLM intimidating people.

How the attack and murder of police officers where attacks have been on the rise as much as 19% burning and rioting on college campuses and yes, the MSM has been pushing and interacting narrative. Also seems like the person driving the car was an Antifa racist. They're still investigating, but how about taking a step back before the left gleefully come out with accusations before the facts.

Super, be fair, if you make accusations that the right are all racists or that Trump is responsible that is so over the top irresponsible and out of line, the right would make the same accusations about the left, the alt left and the MSM would lose their minds.

[The New Black Panthers are] A Black racist group. https://www.americasfreedomfighters.com/2017/03/23/new-black-panthers-alert/

Don't point a finger thinking that a racist or racism is regulated to the White race only, that thought in itself is racist.

The issue for me is the alt left trying to make idiotic statements as if the president had anything to do with it. If you wanted to blame the White Supremacists, I'm with you, but at the same time, the counter protesters are extremely violent, they've had historically a violent past worldwide and putting both groups together is a recipe for violence.

That doesn't mean that the Alt left didn't have their tentacles embedded within it's admin. influencing and trying to marginalize a segment of the country and demeaning them and treating them as if their presence doesn't matter and they are simply insignificant. Because of that, the anger and the hatred has grown, not because they see themselves as superior, but the alt left sees themselves as superior. 

No, the left once again, has run out of options as to how to keep themselves relevant and are quick to jump on the White Supremacists, but give the Antifa and counter protesters a full pass, it's so disgusting. 

Why is it that the left have to get so rowdy and violent, why can they just not march, protest and shout at the other person, why resorting to physical violence?

You forgot the violence perpetrated by the BLM as well. Racism is not regulated to groups like the White Supremacists, KKK, the Antifa, the counter protesters, BLM are all racists and should be condemned in the strongest terms.

Ahhh, the darling of the left. a former grand wizard. Hmmmm....more evidence that when the left shows and use the race card, it's perfectly acceptable, but when the right uses it, it's vile and despicable.

But the difference is most Trump rallies were peaceful. Remember, the Nazi movement in the US have been active for years and very active during the Obama admin. so you can make the argument that he encouraged the growth and anger of this vile group, so please be fair in your observation in holding both sides accountable.

(end)

Clearly both sides anger you.

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@Super

It's sad when the left have no room or excuse to defend the actions of the radical left. Hit a wall, tissue time, leave the forests in peace.

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I wasn't aware that you invited us here to excuse and defend your laundry list of criticisms of the left. I think most people would be thinking about the outrage at the white supremacists rally.

You as well, since both sides anger you.

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I do not like Trump, I do not support Trump, but in this instance at least, he is right. The left had radicalized long before he became president. Now, Trump becoming president was certainly inflammatory and did make things worse, but anyone trying to blame him is a fool, and has obviously NOT been paying attention to the state of the US in the last six years (yes, it goes back that far, and possibly further). The United States is caught up in a state of constant escalation, and with groups like ANTIFA literally throwing explosives into what were for the most part people minding their own business, showing up at events with knives, glass bottles, and other various improvised weapons, it was only a matter of time before there was a more violent clash. What's scary to me is how completely stupid everyone has become, and how completely oblivious to the consequences of their own actions they have become. But because the now radicalized left is on a righteous crusade, it can do no wrong, for all that oppose it are nazis, and deserve to be attacked, even if it is a Libertarian standing in opposition to them (as I am). This is not an exaggeration, this is what they are actually saying, and with disturbing ease. Until people back up and actually get some perspective, this is only going to get worse.

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The left had radicalized long before he became president

A Trump supporter drove a car into the crowd. It is on Trump's watch. It is 100% Trump's fault. He is full of false promises and disappointments. Also, broken promises like no wall or Hillary arrest. No Muslim ban.

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I wasn't aware that you invited us here to excuse and defend your laundry list of criticisms of the left.

But we have e to be subjected to your constant stereotyping the entire right?

I think most people would be thinking about the outrage at the white supremacists rally. 

Yes, but the outrage should be focused on the idiots, to sit and blame the president is laughable. These people are angry to see their Southern culture be ripped apart by the PC police in order to appease the radical left and while I personally have no love lost for these people, it does leave the question as to what happens next and where does it stop?

You as well, since both sides anger you.

They do, so the left should refrain themselves and if they are about to point fingers, they should also point fingers and the counter protesters and Antifa that want to stop free speech, even if it is vile, rude and repugnant.

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A Trump supporter drove a car into the crowd

They just released his name. Do we/you even know he's a Trump supporter, or are you just spreading fake news?

And by the way Nishikat, cops that witnessed it first hand said it didn't look malicious, more like he was scared because the anti protestors were getting violent. Calm down or go to Charlottesville and start swinging in peace.

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They just released his name. Do we/you even know he's a Trump supporter, or are you just spreading fake news?

This is exactly how fake news start. You don't like the man, so just make something up until the facts come out.

And by the way Nishikat, cops that witnessed it first hand said it didn't look malicious, more like he was scared because the anti protestors were getting violent.

Bingo.

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I am curious to see what most people protesting the statue removal looked like, I suspect most did not look like the ones in the photo.

The MSM and others tried their hardest to convince people that the civil war was nothing more than the good northerners fighting to free the slaves from the evil racists in the south. That is mostly BS, and the south has plenty of reasons to be proud of their history and I can understand their being upset at the statue removal. And I would not be at all surprised if some ADL-sponsored white supremacist group was sent there to cause trouble specifically to make the proud southerners look bad.

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Statue removal

Not just the statue removal, but also changing the names of the two parks. Which AP failed to mention here (shocker)

Lee and Jackson Parks are renamed, "Justice Park" will replace Jackson Park, and "Emancipation Park" will replace Lee Park.

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Trump pandering to his voters.

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Trump pandering to his voters.

How?

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David Duke has just stated "We are going to fulfill the promises of Donald Trump".

Let's hope Trump gets to hear about this and very quickly comes out and distances himself from racist trash like this. Just like last time...

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Many sides are to blame...hmmm

Does that include the side that had the temerity to come out in opposition to RADICAL RIGHT-WING TERRORIST White Supremacists dressed in KKK outfits?

But, of course, you will not have to answer that question -- because, for some strange reason, you are unable to face reporters' questions.

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One group had a lawful permit to gather and practice their right to free speech. Another did not yet showed up anyway to attempt to deny that right.

Police once again told to stand down so violence on both sides was allowed to occur. protesters who had the legal right to assemble should have been protected by the police but instead were left to protect themselves.

As far as the car, someone could have panicked and fled when a group of people started throwing rocks into his windshield or bearing on his car. But the other side so badly wants it to be a known Trump supporter so they can claim he did it on purpose for the narrative.

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David Duke has just stated "We are going to fulfill the promises of Donald Trump". 

I'm an American and any American that knows DD knows that he's full of hot air and has been doing this since the 70's. Nothing new.

Let's hope Trump gets to hear about this and very quickly comes out and distances himself from racist trash like this. Just like last time...

I see, so you are implying that Trump is a supporter without any evidence whatsoever. Europeans worry me.

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The KKK has the same right to free speech as Antifa or Black Lives Matter and the same right to police protection from those who would do violence against them.

But most libs think free speech only applies to the speech they want to hear that suits their anti-Trump world view.

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I'm an American and any American that knows DD knows that he's full of hot air and has been doing this since the 70's. Nothing new.

Not Donny Trump

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Do we/you even know he's a Trump supporter

He ran into the counterprotesters. It's 100% Trump's fault.

The left had radicalized long before he became president.

....long before....

What's so funny is when something good is happening now like the stock market Trump followers say it's Trump's 100% doing. Then when something bad is happening like this news event they say it was a buildup of the previous president and it's 100% Obama's fault because he was born in Kenya. Please make up your mind Trump followers!

Nishikat, cops that witnessed it first hand said it didn't look malicious

WRONG!!!

James Alex Fields, Jr. Was Booked on Suspicion of Second-Degree Murder and Other Charges

Fields Was a Registered Republican

The Charlottesville Police Chief Said the Crash Was ‘Premeditated’

(news source)

Trump and his followers are very very violent people. Trump always makes violent quotes. Check Twitter for proof.

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@Fizzbit and bass4funk

James Alex Fields Jr. is a registered Republican, and the police photos show premeditated. He sped down the street at a distance to hit the pedestrians.

http://edition.cnn.com/videos/us/2017/08/13/charlottesville-crash-suspect-identified-sot-todd-nr.cnn

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As far as the car, someone could have panicked and fled

WRONG!

It was one of (many many many) racist Trump supporters. Proof:

Witnesses referred to the crash as a “deliberate act of terrorism.” Others said the car appeared to deliberately mow down pedestrians.

(news quote)

let all the facts come in

They are in. The driver is a violent racist Trump supporter (like they all are). They all believe Obama was born in Kenya.

But most libs think free speech only applies to the speech they want to hear that suits their anti-Trump world view.

Here is the racist hateful Trump's free speech:

"Try not to hurt him. If you do, I'll defend you in court, don't worry about it."

Trump is a hateful racist man. So are his supporters.

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I'm glad that you have already decided that it was premeditated already and that Trump himself is 100% responsible. Yet when Muslims attack with cars, just need to be patient and look for evidence to see what the motivation was first, huh?

Yet when African Americans burned up 2 cities, it was the police's fault, not Obama's fault. When did this blaming the President for everything start? Oh yeah when Trump got elected. Prior to that nothing was ever Obama's fault, it was always the racist police.

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Unite as one nation, one people, equal and free, under one president.

AmeriKKKa uber alles?

Meanwhile; actual Nazi apologists online are posting fake "reports" on what happened. Be wary of just how far these nationalists will go. Their brand of hatred is anything but patriotism.

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Meanwhile; actual Nazi apologists online are posting fake "reports" on what happened. Be wary of just how far these nationalists will go. Their brand of hatred is anything but patriotism.

The Alt-left, the MSM, the White Supremacists are all nothing but scum!

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you have already decided that it was premeditated already

WRONG!

Reported as fact

not Obama's fault

That's right. Not Obama's fault. Obama never ordered anyone to do anything illegal like Trump does with his hateful racist tweets such as:

"Knock the crap out of them."

What a hateful, terrible, racist man (so are his supporters). I can't believe Republicans chose this hateful racist clown to run when there was some decent choices.

Trump orders attacks via Twitter and his brainwashed supporters listen and follow through.

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Can I just check that Trump supporters agree with the statement made by the president? Trump seemed to say that it was six of one and half a dozen of the other between white supremacists and counter protesters.

Is that about right for you?

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"Reported as fact" does not equal "true".

The only times I have seen violence are at protests by the left against someone's right to speak at a public university or when they show up with "peacefully" wearing masks and carrying weapons and bottles of excrement at scheduled legal gatherings of the right.

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The Alt-left, the MSM, the White Supremacists are all nothing but scum!

Unfortunately for you; people who believe in equality and oppose the fascism alive in America are fighting back. America can still be saved.

I'd dearly love for you to explain what the Alt-left is since you regularly confuse the "left" with (LOL!) the Democrats.

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Oh yeah when Trump got elected. Prior to that nothing was ever Obama's fault, it was always the racist police

The fascist cops have always been fascist cops.

Yet when Muslims attack with cars, just need to be patient and look for evidence to see what the motivation was first, huh? Yet when African Americans burned up 2 cities, it was the police's fault,

Treat people like garbage, repeatedly and you'll see the results eventually.

Sadly; the United States promised so much but failed. Time for it to break up, like the USSR.

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The only times I have seen violence are at protests by the left against someone's right to speak at a public university or when they show up with

The root of this violence is Trump's hatred. Obama never ordered his voters to do terrible things the way Trump does with his Tweets.

The Driver was a racist hateful Trump supporter brainwashed by Trump's Tweets. Yes, of course Muslim extremists are brainwashed- but NOT BY OBAMA or any democrat. This guy was following orders by Trump.

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The gathering had an approved permit and the scheduled participating groups had a legal right to both free speech and the expectation of being protected by police while doing so. That's why you get a permit.

The police were told to stand down by Dem officials who didn't want this legal gathering to happen in the first place. This allowed the counter protestors who did not have a permit to agitate and attack people legally exercising their free speech rights.

so yeah many sides to blame. Anyone who did any kind of violence whether in retaliation or as an aggressor, as well as the police and Dem officials.

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bass: Yes, but

Hey, look at that. An acknowledgement of the article. Followed by a "but." I guess we'll throw that word onto the scale to balance out your anger.

Because both sides anger you.

blacklabel: One group had a lawful permit to gather and practice their right to free speech. Another did not yet showed up anyway to attempt to deny that right.

Plus, you had the whole white supremacist thing. I'll just go ahead and assume you're against that while we discuss the administrative situation with the protesters. Now did you check to make sure all of the paperwork had all of the proper signatures for the Atl-right hate group? We might want to examine that.

black: Yet when Muslims attack with cars, just need to be patient and look for evidence to see what the motivation was first, huh?

Well I think we know the motivation of the white supremacists. Do you think they are Republican or Democrat? And did they all have proper parking permits?

But hey, maybe the police can rough up some of those white guys. Maybe get a few head slams on the police cars. Trump and his fans will love that.

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The root of this violence is Trump's hatred. Obama never ordered his voters to do terrible things the way Trump does with his Tweets.

Correct. It has been nestling, snarling and biding its time until this moment. Trump enables such behaviour, as do his supporters who cannot see what is happening to their country.

I'm literally in two places about this whole nightmare. Can the country be saved or is it about to tip into the abyss?

Whatever; in the short term you can be sure that Trump desparately needs something to unite the people.

Be it in the DPRK or Venezuela.

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So Trump ordered this guy to get in his car and drive over some people who had no permit to be doing what they were doing and who shouldn't have even been there? Ok then.

And all the Obama rhetoric about racist police led to only white policemen getting gunned down in the street in cold blood by his supporters. But his racist remarks and calls to action had nothing to do with that happening and he was in no way responsible? Sure.....

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so yeah many sides to blame.

No, it was the driver's fault. And he was following Trump's orders. He is under arrest for murder. He is a Trump supporter. FACTS!!! Obama had nothing to do with this. Why do Trump supporters keep blaming Obama for James Alex Fields, Jr's actions. He is not even president anymore.

This is 100% Trump's fault. Look at all of Trump's tweets that promote violence. Please show us such tweets from Obama.

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Yes they had a permit and the ACLU supported their lawsuit when they had to actually sue for their right to free speech in the location they wanted to use.

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The Alt-left, the MSM, the White Supremacists are all nothing but scum!

How about the Alt-right? Does the MSM include Fox News and the Washington Post?

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So Trump ordered this guy...

YES:

"Knock the crap out of them"

(proof)

Trump supporters for some reason and their wild imagination think Obama tweeted Please kill all cops. That's how hateful Trump followers are.

led to only white policemen getting gunned down in the street in cold blood by his supporters

Obama never told Democrats to shoot police officers. That is a myth - same level as Obama being born in Kenya. It's just based on their racist hate towards Obama and that they hated a non white person being in the WH.

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The suspect told his mother he was going to an "Alt-right" rally.

Scum.

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http://nypost.com/2016/07/08/obama-should-stop-smearing-cops-by-calling-them-racist/

obama's words of calling white officers racist led to several premeditated police deaths by his supporters.

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The number of police officers killed in the line of duty has increased in 2017

(source)

This is happening under Trump's watch. Cop murders are up (Since Obama left office) so it is proof that Obama did not cause those cop murders. Trump is president now and more cops are being murdered.

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So alt right has no right to free speech? Someone who thinks differently than you on a political issue is "scum"?

Libs used to be the defenders of free speech above all else. But now just physically attacking those who say things they done want to hear. Libs and the Dem party have totally lost their way when Repubs have to defend free speech for them.

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But now just physically attacking

The driver is a Trump supporter

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The white nationalists are the one showing up in militia gear with fully loaded assault rifles, in Nazi paraphernalia, in KKK dresses. They are the ones making the racist and anti-Semitic chants. And they are doing it in his name. Explicitly so.

Meanwhile BLM was walking in the streets chanting for "Death to cops", and ANTIFA showed up throwing M-80's and other low level explosives into a group of people who were not armed, not violent, and not even entirely Trump supporters (though the majority where). What did you THINK was going to happen? This is escalation. One side starts throwing explosives and showing up to events with knives and makeshift weapons, so the other starts showing up wearing body armor and carrying weapons of their own. Sure enough the other side responds by stepping up their game, and things become more violent, then people start dying, as they have been. This isn't a game, this isn't about words hurting people anymore. People are hurting people, all over imagined slights and blatant misrepresentations of the facts. None of this is based on truth, but based entirely on narratives. People are killing each other over nothing, and nobody is willing to accept that both parties are at fault. It's always "the other side" The worst part to me is that we have reached a point when I actually sometimes see Fox News being the voice of reason... which to me is a lot like finding out that the color blue is really yellow. Hell, now that I type that, watching what's happened these last six years reminds me of the first time I read "The King In Yellow" and what a mind trip that was.

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Nice try but I was talking about the ones killed in 2016. right after Obama made all his white police officers are racists out to mistreat and kill African Americans type comments and speeches.

bottom line this is the personal responsibility of the person driving the car. Either he meant to do it or it was a panicked reaction and the investigation that had barely started will show that either way.

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I do not see how you can blame Trump for white people protesting. Just like nobody blamed Obama for black lives matter. At leas the white protesters are not burning cars and looting stores

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So alt right has no right to free speech? Someone who thinks differently than you on a political issue is "scum"?

The alt right has the right to free speech. When did I state otherwise?

I'd call neo-nazis and the KKK scum. Wouldn't you?

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Nice try but I was talking about the ones killed in 2016

Cops have always been killed. It's spiking now and Trump is president.

Did Obama say all white officers are racist so please go ahead and murder them? No, so that is not true.

But more gun control is needed. Also, semi autos should be made illegal.

The driver is a Trump supporter following Trump's orders of violence.

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Sickening that the POTUS can not place the blame on the racist White Nationalist. They feel that one of "theirs" is in the White House and we can all see why.

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@BlackLabel

http://nypost.com/2016/07/08/obama-should-stop-smearing-cops-by-calling-them-racist/

obama's words of calling white officers racist led to several premeditated police deaths by his supporters.

I just read the whole article, and nowhere in the article do they directly quote President Obama as calling all cops racists or promoting violence on whites or cops even though it is a proven fact that some of them are racist.

The author is attacking Obama because he was pushing for gun control. Illogically, there is no connection between gun control and calling cops racists or promoting violence against them.

This article just shows how you and the author don't understand logical fallacies.

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I guess Trump had to wait for about 45 minutes until Melania gave some guidance as to what to say?

https://twitter.com/FLOTUS

Perhaps you don't want to go blurt out a random statement that could be construed as; I dunno, as being less than a leader against bigotry?

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....long before....

What's so funny is when something good is happening now like the stock market Trump followers say it's Trump's 100% doing. Then when something bad is happening like this news event they say it was a buildup of the previous president and it's 100% Obama's fault because he was born in Kenya. Please make up your mind Trump followers!

You really need to check your bias dude. I said I am not a Trump supporter, nor did I blame Obama for the radicalization. Obama certainly didn't help, and at times encouraged it, but he was not directly responsible. Nor was Trump, as much as you might want to claim it is. I told you, all Trump did was to worsen the situation, but he was a symptom of the problem, not the cause. People voted for Trump because they were tired of people like you constantly accusing them of being racists and sexists (yes those are issues in said regions, but not on the scale people say), and ignoring what actually where some legitimate issues in favor of dismissive rhetoric. They were also sick of being ignored by their own party, so they opted for the man who was the ultimate "screw you" to everyone.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/

But Trump becoming president made it easy for the far left to dig in even further and just claim that anyone who supported him was a racist and a sexist, and then go the next step into claiming that anyone who supports him is obviously a White Nationalist and Fascist, a claim that was later expanded to include anyone who disagrees with them, therefore enabling the argument that violent was an appropriate answer.

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The Charlottesville Police Chief Said the Crash Was ‘Premeditated’

Wow, that certainly was a quick trial!

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I just read the whole article, and nowhere in the article do they directly quote President Obama as calling all cops racists or promoting violence on whites or cops even though it is a proven fact that some of them are racist.

That's right. Trump supporters believe that Obama stated directly that blacks should go out and kill white cops because they deserve that.

The author is attacking Obama because he was pushing for gun control.

Especially with what happened with 5 cops being gunned down with a semi auto in Dallas. That proves that Obama supports the safety of cops. Republicans want machine guns available so they are making the streets more dangerous for cops.

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If AntiFa and white supremacists want to beat the hell out of each other, I say "pass the popcorn". Let them have at it. I only wish they would do it somewhere that wouldn't have innocent people or their property involved.

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Obama never told people to attack other people like Trump does.

obama did start a lot of wars, continue torture and bomb civilians. he also got a nobel peace prize.

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@Blacklabel

Yet when African Americans burned up 2 cities, it was the police's fault, not Obama's fault. When did this blaming the President for everything start? Oh yeah when Trump got elected. Prior to that nothing was ever Obama's fault, it was always the racist police.

"When white people riot" By Sally Kohn, CNN Political Commentator

updated 5:56 PM EST, Thu November 20, 2014

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/11/20/opinion/kohn-ferguson-protests/index.html

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@blacklab Nice try but I was talking about the ones killed in 2016. right after Obama made all his white police officers are racists out to mistreat and kill African Americans type comments and speeches.

Posters on this site attack the free press daily because some outlets don't report news that reflects their beliefs. These same posters claim the media distort and fabricate events, even publish fake news.

Does that make it all right to do the same thing on JT? If so, posters who do that have lost all credibility. Even the little they might have had.

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Way to go, Donald Trump! The fruits of your labor in action here. And not only did you NOT condemn the white supremacy group, you went on to pretend it was everyone else's fault.

"I'm not going to make any bones about it. I place the blame for a lot of what you're seeing in American today right at the doorstep of the White House and the people around the president,"

EXACTLY! This is Trump's fault. Hell, it took him forever to denounce Duke, and only after heaps of pressure. Since the White supremacists are his only remaining solid support group (many being school drop outs and unintelligent to boot), he doesn't want to offend them with his dismal ratings.

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bass4funk.

Once again your bias seems to have made you blind to the mistakes in logic you seem to make.

I am a firm believer of free speech, as disgusting as these people are their right to say as they want provided they aren't doing anything else is against the law is protected, but to suggest the counter protesters, or private news networks are limiting or taking away their 'freedom' is total nonsense, those people are practicing their own free speech. Besides which the kind of human scum that thinks they need to stand around with torches make themselves look stupid enough and everyone will see them for the hateful, bitter, sad little people they are.

Up until the point of violence both sides were able to exercise their right to speech and to gather.

(I don't think sides is the right word as I hope these ultra-alt-right-white are not really a side but an absolute minority which are by in large despised by all)

The same thing applies to the things the president and the government say and do, people have the right to have their opinion and express it, this shut up/get in line/don't complain type of rhetoric is hypocrisy of the highest level given the types of resistance the last government was given.

The individual that drove into the crowd is responsible for those actions and until we hear more about his thought process we don't know much more, about his mental state and so on, I'll admit that clearly being a strong right supporter and killing people are two different things. However, beliefs and ideas inform actions, to suggest that appearing to be a supporter of a 'leader' who suggests they would pay to defend and support violence against people who disagree may well be a factor, along with the other victim like mentality we see so often is no different from thinking any other belief set does or doesn't have an impact on peoples actions, which, while not very PC these days (and an issue the left has to deal with), I think clearly does.

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@bass4funk

He didn't lie, he was just what the cops witnessed and also stating that before people make a rush to judgment let all the facts come in.

He is lying because the reporter didn't interview cops who witnessed the situation. She interviewed cops at the police station who wasn't at the scene. She reported their opinion which was later proven wrong by the police chief. Blacklabel is the only one saying the cops who witnessed it. Again, lying!

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People voted for Trump because they were tired of people like you constantly accusing them of being racists and sexists

Well, they are. They are not exactly the sharpest pencils in the drawer. They believe stuff like the wall and Hillary's arrest will come true. It is a fact that Trump supporters are "deplorable". If you wanted a Republican fine. But why Trump? He is a crude person-and have you heard about what he wants to do with his daughter...and you wanted Trump as president. No other Republican? There were some decent choices but the "deplorables" wanted this orange farce of a clown.

constantly accusing them

How thin skinned "deplorables"- sorry, but it is true.

anyone who supported him was a racist and a sexist

But they always said that Obama was born in Kenya. And look at the racist comments Sessions made about Hawaii. Yes, they are racist.

I told you, all Trump did was to worsen the situation

Obama was actually quite popular and he could have won a "third" term - even with all the racist people who hated him and accused him of faking his passport. How "deplorable". Trump didn't worsen anything. He just changed something from constructive to destructive. Trump can't even get enough of his staff hired - and Republicans control everything now.

nor did I blame Obama.....and at times encouraged it,

Which is it? Please be consistent.

violent was an appropriate answer.

And we see Trump promoting this and James Alex Fields listening.

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From FoxNews.com:

Field's mother, Samantha Bloom, told The Associated Press on Saturday night that she knew her son was attending a rally in Virginia but didn't know it was a white supremacist rally.

"I thought it had something to do with Trump. Trump's not a white supremacist," Bloom said.

"He had an African-American friend so ...," she said before her voice trailed off. She added that she'd be surprised if her son's views were that far right.

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I guess freedom of speech only applies when it is politically correct. At least the white lives people do not destroy other people's property

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That's right. Trump supporters believe that Obama stated directly that blacks should go out and kill white cops because they deserve that.

says the guy who is trying to tell us that a guy drove into a crowd of people because Trump "ordered" him to do it.

obama's did not directly say it but his anti police statements are all part of the public record. He didn't need to directly tell anyone to do what they did, he simply needed to rationalize it to the people who did it by allowing them to think they were killing racist cops who deserved it.

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I am coming to realize that for libs all events in the world and every policy about everything simply exists as a method to criticize or blame Trump for them.

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@Fizzbit

And by the way Nishikat, cops that witnessed it first hand said it didn't look malicious, more like he was scared because the anti protestors were getting violent. Calm down or go to Charlottesville and start swinging in peace.

That is absolutely false! The reporter Taylor Lorenz said officers at the police station believe the driver was scared. The police officers she interviewed has not even gone to the crime scene. They were just giving their opinion.

https://twitter.com/TaylorLorenz/status/896444548171182080

@moderator: Saying a person is wrong for spreading false information is not "Impolite to user".

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http://www.weeklystandard.com/obama-very-hard-to-untangle-dallas-shooters-motive/article/2003222

sure untangled this one today really quickly though huh? Look what Obama said when he knew his comments could have been blamed for the police killings:

I think the danger is that we somehow suggest the act of a troubled individuals speaks to some larger political statement across the country.

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says the guy who is trying to tell us that a guy drove into a crowd of people because Trump "ordered" him to do it.

Order is a bit extreme, nut Donny has certainly normalized this alt-right, racist garbage. And no, its not just liberals or "alt-left" calling him on it either

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/12/republican-lawmakers-encourage-trump-to-specifically-call-out-white-nationalists.html

4 ( +4 / -0 )

More like it started when you had the alt left and the New Black Panther Party blocking and intimidating voters forcing people to vote Democrat and the BLM intimidating people.

Can you provide link/citation/source for this, please? Many thanks.

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@Blacklabel

Look what Obama said when he knew his comments could have been blamed for the police killings: I think the danger is that we somehow suggest the act of a troubled individuals speaks to some larger political statement across the country.

Once again the logical fallacies at work in your post. The difference is President Obama can never be directly or indirectly quote as inciting violence against anyone.

On the otherhand, here is a short list of Trump directly telling his supporters to commit violence at his rallies:

http://mashable.com/2016/03/12/trump-rally-incite-violence/#eIEYdUZIViqa

This doesn't even have his most recent comments about telling the police force to be more violent against suspected criminals.

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@Toasted: Here is his link:

https://www.americasfreedomfighters.com/2017/03/23/new-black-panthers-alert/

As suspected, Bass, this article is a slanted, biased piece. Do you even know who wrote the article? Who owns America's Freedom Fighters site?

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I do not see how you can blame Trump for white people protesting. Just like nobody blamed Obama for black lives matter. At leas the white protesters are not burning cars and looting stores

Yes, gosh bless those property-respecting nazis.

I guess freedom of speech only applies when it is politically correct. At least the white lives people do not destroy other people's property

Yes, at least American nazis only try and destroy people, rather than property.

The US fought a war against nazis. How can people claim to be proud American nazis?

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Trump needs to call this what it is. He'd have no problem saying Islamic terrorists if something similar occured and the perp happened to be Muslim.

The Republican senator Marco Rubio tweeted that it was important for Trump to describe the events as a “terror attack by white supremacists”.

(Richard Spencer) said that they would not back down from protesting against the statue. When he mentioned Mayor Signer by name, the crowd chanted “Jew! Jew! Jew!”

More here

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/12/virginia-unite-the-right-rally-protest-violence

4 ( +4 / -0 )

The Nazis have drawn first blood and people cannot rely on the Pres to protect them from Nazis anymore. The Nazi now needs to be hunted down in every corner of America and removed. They only respond to force so no point opening dialogue

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I guess freedom of speech only applies when it is politically correct.

I can't stand the politically correct types who automatically jump to cries of bigotry and racism when someone makes a point which 'offends' them or others they like to defend. The far right have the right to express their views.

That said, I thought we had reached a point where the views of neo-Nazis and the KKK would be shouted down by civilised people. I thought we had progressed that far.

You live and learn.

2 ( +2 / -0 )

Unfortunately for you; people who believe in equality and oppose the fascism alive in America are fighting back. America can still be saved.

From Americans, yes! As far as from the racist Democrats, Alt-left and race baiters as well as the Nazi loons, I'm not sure.

I'd dearly love for you to explain what the Alt-left is since you regularly confuse the "left" with (LOL!) the Democrats.

Democrats have been exploiting minorities for over 60 years starting with "LBJ great society" getting minorities dependent on government and it hasn't changed since with the exception that the the dependency has worsened through the years.

The left or Alt Left are the liberal media are the main driving force that build up and keep racism alive. Remember, it's a profitable business and served the liberals well especially the last 8 years.

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Yes, gosh bless those property-respecting nazis.

yes, in America you are allowed to be a Nazi as long as you respect others people's property and values. The black lives people failed to do this.

You know, it is legal to be a white supremacist, even if you do not like them

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 at least American nazis only try and destroy people, rather than property.

I do not see them destroying anything. I am not proud of Nazis but I am proud to be from a country where you can be one, its called freedom

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yes, in America you are allowed to be a Nazi as long as you respect others people's property and values. The black lives people failed to do this.

You know, it is legal to be a white supremacist, even if you do not like them.

Bingo!

I do not see them destroying anything. I am not proud of Nazis but I am proud to be from a country where you can be one, its called freedom.

I totally agree, these people are the absolute lowest level of life form, the nutty KKK loons can say what they want, they do have the right to free speech just as much as the far left Antifa and fascists have the right to speak their venomous vitriol and hatred as well.

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I do not see them destroying anything. I am not proud of Nazis but I am proud to be from a country where you can be one, its called freedom

So; the people who were run over; that wasn't destruction?

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The left or Alt Left are the liberal media are the main driving force that build up and keep racism alive. Remember, it's a profitable business and served the liberals well especially the last 8 years

Ah; of course. Racism just wouldn't exist if it wasn't for those pesky lefty types.

Absolute piffle.

4 ( +4 / -0 )

"More like it started when you had the alt left and the New Black Panther Party blocking and intimidating voters forcing people to vote Democrat and the BL..."

?? ! Sources for this or it is just as bad as fake news.

4 ( +4 / -0 )

So; the people who were run over; that wasn't destruction?

Oh right the liberals are so peaceful, shooting three innocent cops at their rally.

Like I said, people are free to believe what they want just because you do not like it does not make it illegal

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Oh right the liberals are so peaceful, shooting three innocent cops at their rally.

Like I said, people are free to believe what they want just because you do not like it does not make it illegal

So; the people who were run over; that wasn't destruction?

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Unite as one nation, one people, equal and free, under one president.

Jeezus BB.  Once again, you're forgetting the people of the US do not serve the president... the President serves THE PEOPLE!!!!  You seriously have absolutely no idea whatsoever on how the government and US constitution works do you?   The government is supposed to be there for the people.  Not the people for the government!  Must be very hard for you to comprehend I guess.

Remember a few months ago when Trump said he hoped to "heal the wounds" of the country and unite the division (which he HELPED inspire in the first place by adding gasoline to the fire).  

While I don't believe Trump is racist as many people try to claim (He's bad enough as is, one doesn't need to try and smear with additional falsehoods a person who already is known for his poor personality.), he sure as hell never helped calm down the rise in racist groups or shootings of law enforcement officials and wrongdoing's of law enforcement in black and other minority communities.  

To me the reason is very simple.  Trump's wealthy (never been poor) "white" privileged life never taught him to effectively deal with real societal problems that are well below his income level.   The poor "whites" "blacks" and other "minority" groups meant nothing to him then, and sure as hell don't mean anything to him now.

A person like him can't effectively comprehend the problem in the first place, so he won't try to understand how because it's something he never experienced it personally.   This will be going nowhere.

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So; the people who were run over; that wasn't destruction?

sure, you will have a nutter or two anytime a bunch of people get together. lot more on the left

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@Silverfan

not trying to argue with you, but you should take a look at the time of the reporters tweet.

3:53 AM

A solid TEN hours after the incident. I don't think you or I could say for sure that it was or wasn't officers that were at the scene, unless we have some more info. So claiming it false, is false.

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Well, they are. They are not exactly the sharpest pencils in the drawer. They believe stuff like the wall and Hillary's arrest will come true. It is a fact that Trump supporters are "deplorable". If you wanted a Republican fine. But why Trump? He is a crude person-and have you heard about what he wants to do with his daughter...and you wanted Trump as president. No other Republican? There were some decent choices but the "deplorables" wanted this orange farce of a clown."

You're generalizing, and what's more, you're proving my point. Not all of them believe such things, though many do. However, while some of them are quite uneducated, and while many of them may actually hold some pretty backwards views, they are also people, with legitimate issues. By dismissing and generalizing them so callously, you completely disregard the idea that they might actually have some real problems that should be talked about. Antagonizing someone is absolutely not going to help them see the error of their ways, or help convince them of anything. Did you even read the article I posted? It made it pretty clear WHY people voted the way they did. I'm not saying I agree with it, not even the guy who wrote the article agreed with it. But there was reasoning behind it, and until you can accept that, this conversation will go nowhere, and you are directly contributing to the problem.

How thin skinned "deplorables"- sorry, but it is true.

Thin skinned? If someone gets offended because someone said a word that hurts their feelings, that would be thin skinned. But when someone is poor, frustrated, ignored consistently, even by those who are supposed to represent them, and constantly dismissed as stupid racist rednecks, that's being thin skinned? Again, you're misrepresenting what is actually happening here, and certainly over simplifying the situation. We've already established that they are people, and deserve to be listened to, even if you don't agree with what they have to say. I'm sorry, but just because you don't agree with someone, it does not automatically mean they are deplorable, or even entirely wrong.

But they always said that Obama was born in Kenya. And look at the racist comments Sessions made about Hawaii. Yes, they are racist.

Man, again with the generalizations, not to mention a lack of relevance here. Yes, many of the more right leaning people did try to make that claim, and that has always been a component of the radical right. Quite a few of them are racist, and are very uneducated. But you're conflating the two, many Trump supporters are racist, and deserve to be criticized as such, but that does not mean that ALL Trump supporters are racist, or even agree with all of his views, and again, even if they do, it does not mean that they also don't have legitimate issues. You really need to stop rolling out the racist line whenever you want to dismiss anything they might actually have to say, because not everything they are saying boils down to racism or sexism.

Obama was actually quite popular and he could have won a "third" term - even with all the racist people who hated him and accused him of faking his passport. How "deplorable". Trump didn't worsen anything. He just changed something from constructive to destructive. Trump can't even get enough of his staff hired - and Republicans control everything now.

Oh my god man, I really am starting to think that you really aren't bothering to really read or listen to anything I am saying at all. Obama is not the beacon of light you seem to be making him out to be. He did good things and bad things, but you keep claiming that it comes down to presidencies. I have told you twice now that they had NOTHING to do with it directly. These issues were boiling under the surface, and do not directly correlate to Obama or Trump, at least not until everyone decided to blame Trump for everything that happened. But these issues were going on long before Trump became president. I know, I have been fighting this battle before he was even officially running, but it has demonstrably worsened since he became a factor. He made it easy for the radicals on the left to dismiss anything being said by the right as racist and sexist, and eventually just accusing anyone who disagreed with them of being nazis, and therefore shutting down any kind of constructive discourse, and that in effect actually encouraged more sympathy and support for the white nationalists and actual neo-nazis, who have been able to take advantage of the situation for their own ends, thus increasing the escalation and radicalization.

-By the way, you're also ignoring the fact that Trump has been getting a lot of criticism from the republican party as well, who did not even want to endorse him until it became clear he was going to outpace every other candidate they had. The point here is, things were going downhill under Obama, with the left radicalizing, and race riots beginning, along with heavy bias seeping it everything from universities to journalism. Obama himself was in no way directly responsible, but he did fan the flames on a few occasions, which brings us to...

Which is it? Please be consistent.

It's exactly what I said, Obama is not directly responsible for any of it, therefore is not really to blame. He did not however help the situation, and I suppose if someone really wanted to they could find him at fault for some contributions, but the point is that he did not intentionally cause any of it.

And we see Trump promoting this and James Alex Fields listening.

I have yet to see Trump supporting actual violence. If you can provide me with actual quotes, in context, that demonstrate him urging radical groups to actually attack their opposition, I will happily reconsider. Now, if you mean that his own rhetoric is making things worse, then yes, I agree, as I already have many times in my responses to you. Even then however, that would do nothing to change the fact that the radical left are indeed advocating violence, encouraging dehumanization of those who disagree with terms like "punch a nazi", and showing up are rallies with unarmed people who are actually following the law, and have every right to do so, and then inflicting deliberate and dangerous harm on those that disagree with them. All of this isn't solving anything, and it's certainly not stopping Trump (in fact it may only garner him more support). All that it is doing is making things worse, and it is indeed a VERY disturbing time when someone who specializes in extremism has to step in to defend a Ku Klux Klan member from the radical left:

https://news.vice.com/story/extremism-experts-are-starting-to-worry-about-the-left

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He did not however help the situation

No, he did nothing wrong. He never said to go out and attack anyone like Trump did. But you Republicans want all those cool guns like Military grade weaponry. This is on you like in Dallas. Also, Trump advocated police brutality recently like above sources. Obama wanted to lower the incarceration rate. Look at USA vs. Japan. USA is 10x. Is USA 10x as dangerous? No! Why waste taxpayer money on the criminal revolving door that minorities have been going through unless they really commit very serious crimes? He wanted to change the system and criticized it on the institutional level which is wasting people's lives and tax payer money. Trump is "Knock the crap out of them"

who did not even want to endorse him until it became clear he was going to outpace every other candidate they had

OK, you wish Hillary won. Fine! Me too. She wanted to lower the unnecessary incarceration rate that affects many minorities.

Obama is not directly responsible for any of it, therefore is not really to blame. He did not however help the situation

Sounds about as consistent as a teenage girl saying to her mom Mom, I think I might be a little pregnant

and then inflicting deliberate and dangerous harm...

which Obama never said to do, unlike Trump

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Ah; of course. Racism just wouldn't exist if it wasn't for those pesky lefty types.

Hey, I never said that Racism ONLY exists on the left. Try not to put words in my mouth and be so kind and read what I said.

Aside from Trump recently advocating police rough up suspects...

...Or the previous president telling voters to "get in their faces."

https://youtu.be/ZCMDur9CDZ4

Amazing how the left try to justify violence, but condemn it if it's from the right. Selective racism, selective outrage. Typical.

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Or the previous president telling voters to "get in their faces

Completely different than offering to pay legal bills for supporters who rough u protesters.

Amazing how the left try to justify violence, but condemn it if it's from the right.

Other than you trying to prosecute the case that 'both sides do it,' who here is justifying violence?

Selective racism, selective outrage.

Ha! Its like 'proactive.' Nonsense, one cannot be selectively racist.

Let's go back,to your claim that the Black Panther Party blocked voters from voting:

Your link was:

https://www.americasfreedomfighters.com/2017/03/23/new-black-panthers-alert/

Your source is America Freedom Fighters, an article written by 'Huny Badger.'

Browsing a bit more, I read about the 'authors': THIS IS A WEBSITE DEDICATED TO TRUTH AND PATRIOTISM. EVERY PERSON WRITING ON HERE IS A LONG TIME PATRIOT. GOD BLESS AMERICA. 

https://www.americasfreedomfighters.com/about-us/

Is what greets readers on the 'about us' page.

Nearly every headline on that site includes, 'Muslim' or 'black' in the headline.

We all obviously have our own biases, but I'd seriously my own beliefs if such a website informed my views.

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Why not just call it what it is - domestic terrorism by white supremacists

He's quick to call terrorism on other countries

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Completely different than offering to pay legal bills for supporters who rough u protesters.

The call for violence regardless of the situation is still wrong either way, No difference.

Other than you trying to prosecute the case that 'both sides do it,' who here is justifying violence?

So let me get this straight, the ANTIFA are the good guys, they have NO history of extreme acts of violence?

Some more selective racism? These moonbats are equally as vile and racist as well as intolerant towards people that don't think like they do.

Ha! Its like 'proactive.' Nonsense, one cannot be selectively racist.

Good, then we agree, both of these parties are bad for our society.

THIS IS A WEBSITE DEDICATED TO TRUTH AND PATRIOTISM. EVERY PERSON WRITING ON HERE IS A LONG TIME PATRIOT. GOD BLESS AMERICA. 

I keep forgetting liberals hate patriotism, it's like bad omen for them.

Nearly every headline on that site includes, 'Muslim' or 'black' in the headline. 

So what's the problem?

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No, he did nothing wrong. He never said to go out and attack anyone like Trump did.

Did nothing wrong? There is a big different between directly advocating violence and being completely innocent. Of course, I meant Obama was no angel in terms of his general career as President, but in terms of this extremism, Obama was in no way directly responsible, though he did voice support for groups like "Black Lives Matter" who actively had factions advocating for extreme violence, and played a part in what happened in Dallas. Speaking of which...

But you Republicans want all those cool guns like Military grade weaponry.

Do you see what you just did there? You quite literally just proved my point. Because I disagree with you, you just assumed that I am a right wing radical, and just tried to paint me as such. Never mind what my arguments actually are, and the fact that I stated I am a libertarian in my very first post (though I will admit it was not the most clear), because I am arguing against your points here, you automatically assumed I must be from the complete opposite end of the spectrum. I am not. I am left leaning, and have been my entire life. The difference is that at least based on what I have seen in our debate, I am not averse to admitting I am wrong, which I will show you in a few moments. But first...

This is on you like in Dallas.

I would love to know how you figure Dallas was entirely the fault of the Republicans, but no matter what you would be incorrect. The gun was the tool, and we can debate about its use all you want, but it was the escalation, hatred, and anger that pushed the man to make the choices he did, and those feelings were the direct result of "Black Lives Matter", and the rhetoric that was getting spread around by the media with no regard to context. Additionally, even if the man did not have a gun, and the shooting had never occurred, it has done nothing to stem the other conflicts that groups like ANTIFA have started, much as what happened here.

Also, Trump advocated police brutality recently like above sources.

The above sources don't feature him saying that, so I would need to see those sources before I will comment on that. I'm not saying it's not possible, the guy is an idiot, but I need to see quotes in context.

Obama wanted to lower the incarceration rate. Look at USA vs. Japan. USA is 10x. Is USA 10x as dangerous? No! Why waste taxpayer money on the criminal revolving door that minorities have been going through unless they really commit very serious crimes? He wanted to change the system and criticized it on the institutional level which is wasting people's lives and tax payer money.Trump is "Knock the crap out of them"

What does this have to do with anything? I genuinely don't get what you are trying to say here, as this has absolutely no relevance to the discussion at all, aside from what seems like a very tragic attempt at a false equivalence argument? If you wanted to compare Obamas policy on incarceration to Trumps, then you would have a comparison to make, though no matter what it has nothing to do with what we're talking about.

OK, you wish Hillary won. Fine! Me too. She wanted to lower the unnecessary incarceration rate that affects many minorities.

Sigh I think I am reaching the end of my interest in this conversation, you keep making it clear that you're not reading what I typed, and making assumptions. I said that the Republican Party were not fans of Trump, in fact many still aren't, and many Democrats are actually refraining from attacking Trump at times, because they very rightly realize that any action they take will only give more fuel to his supporters.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/democrats-try-distance-call-trumps-impeachment/

As for me, I did not vote for Hillary, I very much found her just as bad as Trump, albeit in very different ways. I voted for a third party, because I did not want to see either win, I could not in good conscience support people I fundamentally disagree with in almost every way.

Sounds about as consistent as a teenage girl saying to her mom Mom, I think I might be a little pregnant

You're not listening again. My point, which I have tried to make clear several times now, is that Obama is not directly responsible for the radicalization of the left. He has contributed to it in small part, but it is not fair to claim that it is all his fault. If that is not clear enough for you, I don't know what will be, but the statement is consistent.

which Obama never said to do, unlike Trump

Seriously dude, please learn to keep things in context. I never said that Obama did say anything like that. Obama is not really relevant in this discussion at all. As for Trump, having seen the above links, I will concede that Trump has certainly encouraged violence, though still has not directly called for it. Splitting hairs perhaps, but there is a subtle difference, though I would in no way consider him anywhere close to free of blame here. But again, I have already told you that he has actively made things worse, and it does nothing to change the fact that this escalation was going on long before he even became president. I really don't know why you keep harping on the fact that Trump is an inflammatory figure when I already said he was on several occasions, aside from your own selective reading.

I really am tired of arguing with someone who is not willing to take the time to actually read the information I provided, and in full context. If you have nothing constructive to add at this point, I will consider our debate over if you don't mind.

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I really am tired of arguing with someone who is not willing to take the time to actually read the information I provided, and in full context. If you have nothing constructive to add at this point, I will consider our debate over if you don't mind.

Most of the time, the Trump haters here would NEVER read or believe any information if it's from the right. Don't even bother to them it's all fake news, only liberals facts and stats are accepted.

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As for me, I did not vote for Hillary

Then you are a Trump follower. Why didn't you say that in the first place? Personally I would have voted for Chris Christie over Hillary- over Trump. He actually did some important work to help fill staff positions but Trump screwed it all up. More proof Trump is incompetent. Chistie would have also continued Obama's legacy in trying to reduce the unnecessary incarceration rate. In fact NJ state stopped their stupid and destructive bail system. Unlike the typical Trump voter I read real news and know what's going on.

I very much found her just as bad as Trump

For what reason, exactly? It's natural to hate Hillary like a dog hates cats? Trump followers hate her....just to hate her. Same reason for hating Obama because his racist haters thought he was born in Kenya? At least she would have people hired by now like US attorneys. Also, I would have looked forward to the strategy of lowering the high incarceration rate which is unjustifiably high.

voice support for groups like "Black Lives Matter" who actively had factions advocating for extreme violence,

I understand Trump followers think BLM is the ISIS of the USA. Trump followers say BLM centrally coordinates attacks on police officers in a secret location they way ISIS does on their victims- very planned and organized. I don't agree with that but Trump followers have a right to think what they want.

I meant Obama was no angel in terms of his general career as President

No president is. And I would hate a president too if I was brainwashed to think he was really born in Kenya.

You quite literally just proved my point.

Yes, that because of Republicans the US does not have enough gun control and it's a big problem.

I would love to know how you figure Dallas was entirely the fault of the Republicans

They allowed the NRA to manipulate them for legalizing semi auto rifles. And look at the senator who was shot recently. Yes, he was a crazy Democrat. But Republican laws allowed semi auto rifles to be legalized that allowed this to happen. Look at the Orlando attack. And Sandy Hook (Trump followers think Sandy Hook was a hoax)

The above sources don't feature him saying that

WRONG!

“And when you see these towns and when you see these thugs being thrown into the back of a paddy wagon — you just see them thrown in, rough — I said, ‘Please don’t be too nice,’” Mr Trump said.

Obama is not really relevant in this discussion at all.

Trump and his followers disagree that think Hillary and Obama are the cause of all of Trump's current problems.

Sigh I think I am reaching the end of my interest in this conversation,

And, yet I keep getting responses.

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only liberals facts and stats

What is a 'liberal fact', and what is a 'liberal stat'?

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What is a 'liberal fact', and what is a 'liberal stat'?

Facts and stats that ONLY liberals believe in.

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Should Freedom of Speech be curtailed in the US simply because of these rednecks ?

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The call for violence regardless of the situation is still wrong either way, No difference

There is no 'either way.' Its clear from the video you posted that Obama was not literally suggesting people get in peoples' faces- he was encouraging dialogue. Even if you take it literally, and shouldn't that's still not 'violent.'

So let me get this straight, the ANTIFA are the good guys, they have NO history of extreme acts of violence?

Did Antifa kill or attack anyone yesterday? I don't care about any other incident or issue, its not relevant to the terror attack. Let's not equivocate.

I keep forgetting liberals hate patriotism, it's like bad omen for them

Absolutely not, but my idea of patriotism a bit more nuanced than waving around a flag plowing my chevy into a throng of protesters.

What I was getting at is A) Who is behind AFF? B) What is there agenda? and C) Why aren't they more upfront about who they are and what they represents?

Fair questions, are they not? After all, we're not supposed trust anonymous sources.

So what's the problem?

Each one of those articles is about a crime committed by a minority. A day after a terrorist tried to murder dozens of protesters and you've peddled out what appears to be a site run by white supremacists to as proof that the 'New Black Panthers' were suppressing voters.

That's the problem.

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I keep forgetting liberals hate patriotism, it's like bad omen for them.

The website is extreme right, race baiting, conspiracy theory dreck.

Only the truly desperate, out of touch nationalist paranoiacs would get any succour from it.

I now understand why you are so terrified of posting links to back up your ludicrous claims and stats.

Patriotism is fine, if you like that kind of thing. But that kind of site is an abberation.

Frequentlly runs fake news stories, too.

http://www.snopes.com/tag/americas-freedom-fighters/

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Facts and stats that ONLY liberals believe in

For example?

(a fact is not something one side or another 'believe in')

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(a fact is not something one side or another 'believe in')

Amazing that this actually has to be explained to some people.

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Most of the time, the Trump haters here would NEVER read or believe any information if it's from the right.

Well, no hating here. But proof is there is no wall or Hilary arrest (among many other broken promises)

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There is no 'either way.' Its clear from the video you posted that Obama was not literally suggesting people get in peoples' faces- he was encouraging dialogue. Even if you take it literally, and shouldn't that's still not 'violent.'

Ok, that's your opinion.

Did Antifa kill or attack anyone yesterday? I don't care about any other incident or issue, its not relevant to the terror attack. Let's not equivocate.

They have done more than enough throughout the years attacked and brutalized people called for the murder of some people, even whites, that's hate and are equally part of the problem. It's already a huge problem having the Nazis show up to a rally, but when you mix them with another racist socialist fascist group, you know things are about to turn out very bad.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/448275/antifa-protest-donald-trump-roots-left-wing-political-violence

Absolutely not, but my idea of patriotism a bit more nuanced than waving around a flag plowing my chevy into a throng of protesters. 

Ok, that's your opinion, everyone is different. By the way, implying that all rednecks drive a chevy is a racist statement. This is exactly what I'm talking about, when the left make racist comments it gets a pass, when someone on the right does it, it's just flat out racist. This whole thing is bad and as bad as the tragic murder was of those people, it doesn't justify wha the Antifada have done, what were they thinking? Did they think they could shut up with their violence their freedom of speech? That was never going to happen. They had a permit, they have the right to speak and the left have the right to speak as well, but they don't have the right to tell others they don't.

Only the truly desperate, out of touch nationalist paranoiacs would get any succour from it.

One could say the opposite about the left wing media.

I now understand why you are so terrified of posting links to back up your ludicrous claims and stats.

No, I fear no man, I don't roll like that, I just realized even with some of the liberals I work with, they don't like hearing any opposing points of view, they will try to shout and talk over you dismiss alternate facts and tell you how smart they are, but how dumb you are and at my age and what I've seen and been through, I just say, whatever and let it go, like my dad always said, you can't beat a dead horse.

Patriotism is fine, if you like that kind of thing.

I do, very much so.

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'Alternate facts'

Facts are facts.

Still waiting for an example of one of your so-called 'liberal facts'

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'Alternate facts'

Facts are facts.

Yes, but liberals believe in one set of facts.

Still waiting for an example of one of your so-called 'liberal facts'

I already did.

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When the Bernie guy shot up the Republican softball game, it was Trump's fault. When some redneck crashed his car into a bunch of hippies, it's Trump's fault, too. Trump is too much of a simpleton jackass to be pulling the puppet strings and orchestrating all of this stuff, methinks.

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They have done more than enough throughout the years attacked and brutalized people called for the murder of some people, even whites,

I don't care, its not in any way related to this GOP terrorist.

By the way, implying that all rednecks drive a chevy is a racist statement.

Lol What?A) I never said 'redneck.' B) One could argue that 'redneck' is more of a socio-economic thing than a race thing. C) MOST importantly, the GOP terrorist ran into the crowd in a CHEVY.

This whole thing is bad and as bad as the tragic murder was of those people,

That leave it at that. No more equivocating, no more 'yes, buts.'

Did they think they could shut up with their violence their freedom of speech? 

And so they got what they deserved?

Again, I'll ask:

What do you think American Freedom Fighter's agenda is? Why do you trust this anonymous source?

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Trump is too much of a simpleton jackass to be pulling the puppet strings and orchestrating all of this stuff, methinks.

Oh, he's hardly orchestrating all the mayhem. But his muted condemnation, his advocation of violence, his barely concealedcontempt for minorities - it certainly emboldens and enables the nazis.

http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/charlottesville-attack-donald-trump

The man in charge in the Oval Office has repeatedly refused to reject the endorsement of white nationalists like David Duke. Trump himself has openly courted the racist, nationalist vote, like when he attacked the professionalism of a judge for being “Mexican.” He has a well documented record of encouraging and defending violence against minorities by his supporters, his businesses have been repeatedly brought to court on allegations of racial discrimination, and his refusal to explicitly condemn white nationalists suggests that he might be one himself. With Trump in the White House, would-be Nazis around the country don't have to hide their prejudices, and for every one of them prepared to show their faces in public, there will be thousands who have sympathy with their cause.

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He did. Stop with the fake news.

Not really.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/trump-wont-disavow-david-duke-kkk-support-i-will-do-research-on-them/article/2001309

Calling someone Mexican is racist? If you call someone White is that racist as well?

Do you understand context? He dismissed the Judge as being biased because of his Mexican heritage.

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2016/06/11/what-trump-has-said-judge-curiel/85641242/

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Do you understand context? He dismissed the Judge as being biased because of his Mexican heritage.

I know a lot of old people that have said dumb things, doesn't make them a racist.

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I know a lot of old people that have said dumb things

Might give it a one-off. Trump says racist things all the time. the only stupid thing Obama said was there are 53 states (had jet lag, gets a pass).

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Aside from Trump recently advocating police rough up suspects...

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000004269364/trump-and-violence.html

http://mashable.com/2016/03/12/trump-rally-incite-violence/#RitbjF5wWiqq

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/05/donald-trump-campaign-rally-lawsuits-incitement

Sorry Toasted, I am not sure why, but my earlier post thanking you for the links did not get put up. I do appreciate your response, and while I do take issue with the context of some of the quotes, it does substantiate the claims that Trump did encourage violence from his followers. It doesn't entirely surprise me, but I had not actually seen it shared before.

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I don't hate her

OK, I get it. You believe Trump is a much better choice than Hillary would have been. Trump may be destroying the country- he hasn't yet. But what you say implies that if Hillary were president then the US would already be destroyed. Right? Trump is destroying the USA more slowly than Hillary would be. Got it.

None of the Trump supporters I know have said anything like that.

No, they say BLM is a terrorist organization and say they systematically go after white cops (any cop is fair game to BLM but they get extra points for white cops). They say Obama started all this.

And how exactly was that what caused a man to take said weapon and kill

Do you live in Japan? What's so insanely funny is pro NRA people who whine about "Liberal gun grabbers" then choose to live in Japan which is one big gun free zone. If guns are so important in your life then why come to Japan? Of course it's the gun. Crazy is crazy. If that were not the case then it should be legal to purchase the latest and greatest fully auto machine guns (not just semi auto), right? And perhaps cool firepower like the Milkor multi grenade launcher. How come we can't purchase machine guns at Walmart as easily as a pair of socks if guns don't kill people. People kill people (NRA quote)

I said that I was reaching the end of my interest

Some people are just prone getting abused and then come back for more like a boomerang. Yes, you will return like a person with battered spouse syndrome.

Also, look at your last post. Some of what you say got cut off.

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