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© Copyright 2020 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without permission.Trump says chokeholds by police should generally 'be ended'
By JILL COLVIN WASHINGTON©2024 GPlusMedia Inc.
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Yujiro
Floyd wasn't killed by a chokehold, he was killed by someone standing on his neck!
Real chokeholds, like those found in Judo are extremely effective and safe unless you hold them long after the person is rendered unconcious.
David Varnes
Absolutely pathetic. Spends more time talking about pie-in-the-sky exceptions to the rule (when he, as a rule, hasn't the slightest familiarity with physical combat), and then says 'but generally they should be ended.'
What a load of crock.
He's basically gaslighting like hell, and everyone with two brain cells to rub together knows it.
rcch
“I don’t like chokeholds”, he says... well, and i don,t like nattou... and “generally”, what a nice little word he got there... if there,s a one on one confrontation and you,re the cop, there,s several ( and more safe, for both ) ways you can stop a person...
David Varnes
Yujiro, speaking as a 2nd Dan in judo with 15 years in other martial arts as well, you're over-simplifying.
Judo shime-waza are effective in that they apply pressure to the carotid arteries on either side of the neck. This is what cuts off blood flow to the brain.
The same action applied in George Floyd's death, in that the knee/shin of Derek Chauvin applied pressure to Floyd's neck in a similar fashion. Because Floyd was moving, the pressure was irregular enough that it took a long time for unconsciousness to occur, but regardless blood was cut off.
Is the technique illegal in judo? Yes. But that doesn't mean the maneuver isn't a choke. There are plenty of chokes that are illegal in judo, but still chokeholds in any sense of the word.
Do the hustle
I’m baffled by the eruption of protest. If so many criminals were not violent towards the police there would be no need for the police to be so violent. They are doing their jobs and have to make sure they are safe from harm. If it means using force to protect their own safety, that is what they must do. It is the violent law breakers who have brought it onto themselves.
Strangerland
People are protesting the non-violent victims of police abuse.
Strangerland
Or rather, for them.
PTownsend
It's probably hard for individuals from their state's dominant demographic, especially those pushing for authoritarian systems and trusting the authoritarian systems they work for, to understand there are any number of reasons other individuals who have beliefs different from theirs would unite in protests against a state they think treated 'others'. i.e. those not from the dominant demographic, unequally. It must frighten those pushing for an authoritarian state uber alles to see 'others' uniting.
non party
Whatever it may be...... We need to blame Trump... attack Trump.... Need to find some reason to fight against him. All media is supporting us for that goal. Or he will WIN again...... Even after all these rallies still his popularity is going up.... I can not sleep... any one help me...
dagon
If only defrauding people wanting to better themselves through education, shortchanging contractors and looting the public treasury for your family and friends acrried the same harsh law enforcement treatment as trying to pass a counterfeit 20 dollar bill knowingly or unknowingly.
Peter Neil
His no mask rallies can't get started soon enough. I hope he has several per day around the country and his supporters sign the waivers so they can stand next to each, hand in hand, screaming their love for their beloved draft dodging, tax dodging, psychopath.
dagon
*carried
The Avenger
https://judiciary.house.gov/uploadedfiles/fact_sheet_justice_in_policing_act_of_2020.pdf
It is long past the time that everyone in this country is treated with the respect and dignity that is our right as human beings. We will all be the better for it.
sunfunbun
It isn't a celebratory process and it isn't highly selective. Siding with racism isn't getting you anywhere, it just shows up, and it isn't pleasant.
PTownsend
I fully agree. Worrying so many are pushing for authoritarian systems to replace the already too authoritarian systems found in nominally democratic states like the US. Some are even saying they want a 'strongman' to take control. How have states run by 'strongmen' faired historically? How about currently? North Korea? China? Iran? Saudi Arabia? Russia? Brazil?
bass4funk
Ok, so once again, we catch liberals in the act of splicing Trump’s words. Should be shocked, but nope....smh....
https://www.outkickthecoverage.com/msnbc-producer-chops-off-donald-trumps-full-quote-changes-context/
bass4funk
But I thought liberals would be happy with their utopian version of Chaz.
I guess, Raz wants all the power for himself.
Vote Raz out, get public funding or stage another coup.....
Strangerland
If it's true, it's good to see the left using the right's tactics against them.
Can't win at the right's game if the left doesn't play by the right's rules.
The days of "they go low we go high" were thrown out the window when they voted Trump, and refused to admit that he is the least competent president in the history of the Republic.
bass4funk
Hmmm, if conservatives were to do that every single time a Democrat President says something, they would have an aneurysm.
What? Unicornverse speak?
Well, liberals always played low, nothing new, nothing shocking.
Strangerland
They just have to keep a step ahead of the right.
Sure, after the right wrote the playbook, the left has to play by it.
plasticmonkey
Liberals are amoral scum. And dumb. Trump alone is pure. And the smartest human being in the history of the Trumpiverse.
bass4funk
And as we are witnessing in Seattle, they keep stepping in it, literally.
Huh? what are you talking about? If conservatives are bad at one thing, it’s political deception, that is something liberals have always been good at.
Strangerland
And the president sits back and does nothing.
The independents have come to realize he's incompetent.
Mr Kipling
Choke holds are extremely effective at subduing an aggressor. However, they must be released after the person in the hold become unconscious. George Floyd was NOT put in a choke hold. The knee on his neck probably cut his blood supply to at least some extent. The official autopsy will reveal to what extent. He was complaining about not being able to breath BEFORE going into the police car, and BEFORE having a knee on his neck on the floor. Now, I’m not support the actions of the officer involved, he made mistakes and deserves his punishment. But lets keep some honesty about what happened.
bass4funk
schadenfreude, the swamp doesn’t want him to.
Not so sure they think “he’s” incompetent.
OnTheTrail
I think that the cities where this activity should handle it according to their voter's wishes. Don't think having federal involvement aids anything. The locality has voted into office officials that accept (promote?) This activity, they should handle it with their resources as their electorate has desired. Local politics is closest to the wishes of the people in that area.
Strangerland
I've given him credit a few times when he's done the right thing.
To be fair, doing nothing is probably better than doing the wrong thing. And in this case, he certainly isn't competent enough, nor has he built enough confidence in the people, that there is anything he could do that would be the right thing. So maybe it's in his best interests to just sit back and hope this all burns itself out.
ClippetyClop
I'm trying to recall an instance where Trump's corrosive 'response' hasn't made the situation considerably more toxic. To anything. By one measure it's a remarkable talent he has, this ant-matter King Midas. So yeah, I agree; stay in that bunker and turn off the wifi.
talaraedokko
Trust the dems? 16 years in power & they did nothing to prevent this. Blame Trump. Go ahead. It's not going to solve the racial problem. It's a good start..maybe. Problems are too many and complex for a single POTUS to deal with. Congress is playing hot potato with issues. Little seriousness in Washington.
Moderator
All readers back on topic please. Posts that do not refer to Trump's comments on chokeholds will be removed.
commanteer
And they look over at his competition... and shrug.
bass4funk
I see it like this. When I used to live in CA.Los Angeles under the former police chief of that city, Darryl Gates, he was a staunch defender of the chokehold and thought it was necessary, but there was a lot of controversy surrounding it when he said that the arteries in black people were not as well developed or not strong enough and that’s why their necks would get easily crushed or they would succumb to the effects of the chokehold, after that and after the riots in LA, the department stopped using it.
I think and depending on the situation, sometimes you do need to choke people out, some people are so violent or big or have a lot of stamina and if you can’t control them by Taser and if you can’t shoot them and if you can’t get them to submit, then a chokehold is an effective tool doing that.
Blacklabel
A chokehold used to be applied so that I don’t have to hurt you while controlling you. Generally after I have asked you to submit and you resist.
so what’s the alternative when criminals don’t do what they are asked to do by police?
Strangerland
The good thing about choke holds: they can be used to incapacitate someone without hurting them.
The bad thing about choke holds: they can be abused to kill someone after incapacitating them.
Blacklabel
So what do you recommend?
Blacklabel
I have a chokehold, a taser, a baton or a gun. Which one gets the liberal seal of approval?
Strangerland
Listening to the experts.
ulysses
His interviews are getting embarrassing even by his standards.
Statements which sounds like they were written by a primary school kid who hates writing!!
And then there were his statements on Lincoln....
Blacklabel
I agree with his comments that chokeholds should generally be ended.
Blacklabel
Aren’t police the experts in chokeholds?
Jtsnose
If you read the online news . . . there is too much violent, crimes against people . . . the Administration and future governments need to better manage the police.
Strangerland
You tell me; was Chauvin?
Blacklabel
yes if he was able to use it to get a much larger man to the ground. What happened once he went to the ground was the horrific crime not the chokehold.
Blacklabel
Regardless I find it interesting that you hide behind “experts” to avoid having to agree with trump that this chokehold needs to stop.
remember this “defer to experts” thing when your opinion doesn’t match gun experts.
Strangerland
Or was it an improperly applied chokehold?
Was it a problem with training? Or is it an inevitable result sometimes even when officers are properly trained? And if it is inevitable, what are the alternatives - are the overall a better result, or worse? And are there methods of training that can minimize the negative results? What is the general rate of death and/or serious injury amongst prisoners submitted through chokeholds. Etc. etc. etc.
Stuff I guarantee Trump didn't look into before making any of his comments.
bass4funk
I have been training in martial arts for years since I was 9 and it really doesn’t matter what the experts say, it’s just like being in a knife fight, no matter how good you are, it’s going to be hard not to get stabbed, or cut, so the best thing to do is to avoid any confrontation, but if you get some radical idiot trying to overpower you and you’ve tried everything in your power to do that individual and it doesn’t work, and you are forced to use a chokehold to get the individual to comply and to be submissive, then that’s what you do. The bigger question is, how long should you administer the chokehold and how much pressure, so you have to do it with reasonable force and if someone doesn’t comply and you used everything else at your disposal and the chokehold is one way of getting a person to comply, then that is what you have to do
wtfjapan
Even after all these rallies still his popularity is going up.... I can not sleep... any one help me...
actually polls show him going down, the Senate is looking increasing out of reach for the Reublicans, they need to win 14 seats up for reelection the Democrats only need 4. even if Trump wins the white house it unlikely hell have the senate to back him, hell just be a lame duck. Republicans senators are sweating
konjo4u
“I think the concept of chokeholds sounds so innocent, so perfect." A random insect is inhabiting that president's speech center.
WilliB
I do not like chokeholds either, but I am not sure how that is relevant here. Are chokeholds a "usual police practise"? I thought not. Maybe someone can correct that. And the knee-on-neck in the current famous case was not a "chokehold", and neither was the victim choked, as confirmed by the autopsy. Anybody who claims otherwise should read up on the issue.