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Trump says chokeholds by police should generally 'be ended'

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Floyd wasn't killed by a chokehold, he was killed by someone standing on his neck!

Real chokeholds, like those found in Judo are extremely effective and safe unless you hold them long after the person is rendered unconcious.

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Absolutely pathetic. Spends more time talking about pie-in-the-sky exceptions to the rule (when he, as a rule, hasn't the slightest familiarity with physical combat), and then says 'but generally they should be ended.'

What a load of crock.

He's basically gaslighting like hell, and everyone with two brain cells to rub together knows it.

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“I don’t like chokeholds”, he says... well, and i don,t like nattou... and “generally”, what a nice little word he got there... if there,s a one on one confrontation and you,re the cop, there,s several ( and more safe, for both ) ways you can stop a person...

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YujiroToday  06:56 am JST

Floyd wasn't killed by a chokehold, he was killed by someone standing on his neck!

Real chokeholds, like those found in Judo are extremely effective and safe unless you hold them long after the person is rendered unconcious.

Yujiro, speaking as a 2nd Dan in judo with 15 years in other martial arts as well, you're over-simplifying.

Judo shime-waza are effective in that they apply pressure to the carotid arteries on either side of the neck. This is what cuts off blood flow to the brain.

The same action applied in George Floyd's death, in that the knee/shin of Derek Chauvin applied pressure to Floyd's neck in a similar fashion. Because Floyd was moving, the pressure was irregular enough that it took a long time for unconsciousness to occur, but regardless blood was cut off.

Is the technique illegal in judo? Yes. But that doesn't mean the maneuver isn't a choke. There are plenty of chokes that are illegal in judo, but still chokeholds in any sense of the word.

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I’m baffled by the eruption of protest. If so many criminals were not violent towards the police there would be no need for the police to be so violent. They are doing their jobs and have to make sure they are safe from harm. If it means using force to protect their own safety, that is what they must do. It is the violent law breakers who have brought it onto themselves.

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If so many criminals were not violent towards the police there would be no need for the police to be so violent. They are doing their jobs and have to make sure they are safe from harm. If it means using force to protect their own safety, that is what they must do. It is the violent law breakers who have brought it onto themselves.

People are protesting the non-violent victims of police abuse.

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People are protesting the non-violent victims of police abuse.

Or rather, for them.

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Or is it just a free for all chance to get outside and ignore Social Distancing?

It's probably hard for individuals from their state's dominant demographic, especially those pushing for authoritarian systems and trusting the authoritarian systems they work for, to understand there are any number of reasons other individuals who have beliefs different from theirs would unite in protests against a state they think treated 'others'. i.e. those not from the dominant demographic, unequally. It must frighten those pushing for an authoritarian state uber alles to see 'others' uniting.

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Whatever it may be...... We need to blame Trump... attack Trump.... Need to find some reason to fight against him. All media is supporting us for that goal. Or he will WIN again...... Even after all these rallies still his popularity is going up.... I can not sleep... any one help me...

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People are protesting the non-violent victims of police abuse.

Certain non-violent victims of police abuse. The celebratory process is highly selective.

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If only defrauding people wanting to better themselves through education, shortchanging contractors and looting the public treasury for your family and friends acrried the same harsh law enforcement treatment as trying to pass a counterfeit 20 dollar bill knowingly or unknowingly.

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His no mask rallies can't get started soon enough. I hope he has several per day around the country and his supporters sign the waivers so they can stand next to each, hand in hand, screaming their love for their beloved draft dodging, tax dodging, psychopath.

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*carried

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The Justice in Policing Act would also condition law enforcement funding on state and local governments banning chokeholds, though it's unclear if that would withstand legal scrutiny.

https://judiciary.house.gov/uploadedfiles/fact_sheet_justice_in_policing_act_of_2020.pdf

It is long past the time that everyone in this country is treated with the respect and dignity that is our right as human beings. We will all be the better for it.

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The celebratory process is highly selective.

It isn't a celebratory process and it isn't highly selective. Siding with racism isn't getting you anywhere, it just shows up, and it isn't pleasant.

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Only a police state extraordinaire would even allow such a thing.

I fully agree. Worrying so many are pushing for authoritarian systems to replace the already too authoritarian systems found in nominally democratic states like the US. Some are even saying they want a 'strongman' to take control. How have states run by 'strongmen' faired historically? How about currently? North Korea? China? Iran? Saudi Arabia? Russia? Brazil?

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Ok, so once again, we catch liberals in the act of splicing Trump’s words. Should be shocked, but nope....smh....

https://www.outkickthecoverage.com/msnbc-producer-chops-off-donald-trumps-full-quote-changes-context/

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I fully agree. Worrying so many are pushing for authoritarian systems to replace the already too authoritarian systems found in nominally democratic states like the US.

But I thought liberals would be happy with their utopian version of Chaz.

Some are even saying they want a 'strongman' to take control.

I guess, Raz wants all the power for himself.

How have states run by 'strongmen' faired historically? How about currently? North Korea? China? Iran? Saudi Arabia? Russia? Brazil?

Vote Raz out, get public funding or stage another coup.....

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Ok, so once again, we catch liberals in the act of splicing Trump’s words. Should be shocked, but nope....smh....

If it's true, it's good to see the left using the right's tactics against them.

Can't win at the right's game if the left doesn't play by the right's rules.

The days of "they go low we go high" were thrown out the window when they voted Trump, and refused to admit that he is the least competent president in the history of the Republic.

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If it's true, it's good to see the left using the right's tactics against them.

Hmmm, if conservatives were to do that every single time a Democrat President says something, they would have an aneurysm.

Can't win at the right's game if the left doesn't play by the right's rules.

What? Unicornverse speak?

The days of "they go low we go high" were thrown out the window when they voted Trump, and refused to admit that he is the least competent president in the history of the Republic

Well, liberals always played low, nothing new, nothing shocking.

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Hmmm, if conservatives were to do that every single time a Democrat President says something, they would have an aneurysm.

They just have to keep a step ahead of the right.

Well, liberals always played low, nothing new, nothing shocking.

Sure, after the right wrote the playbook, the left has to play by it.

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we catch liberals in the act of splicing Trump’s words. 

Liberals are amoral scum. And dumb. Trump alone is pure. And the smartest human being in the history of the Trumpiverse.

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They just have to keep a step ahead of the right.

And as we are witnessing in Seattle, they keep stepping in it, literally.

Sure, after the right wrote the playbook, the left has to play by it

Huh? what are you talking about? If conservatives are bad at one thing, it’s political deception, that is something liberals have always been good at.

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Watching; liberals tear down a liberal city with borders that liberals hate with anarchists patrolling the streets with guns...assault AR-15 that liberals hate is just the joke of all jokes. ROFL.

And the president sits back and does nothing.

The independents have come to realize he's incompetent.

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Choke holds are extremely effective at subduing an aggressor. However, they must be released after the person in the hold become unconscious. George Floyd was NOT put in a choke hold. The knee on his neck probably cut his blood supply to at least some extent. The official autopsy will reveal to what extent. He was complaining about not being able to breath BEFORE going into the police car, and BEFORE having a knee on his neck on the floor. Now, I’m not support the actions of the officer involved, he made mistakes and deserves his punishment. But lets keep some honesty about what happened.

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And the president sits back and does nothing. 

schadenfreude, the swamp doesn’t want him to.

The independents have come to realize he's incompetent.

Not so sure they think “he’s” incompetent.

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I think that the cities where this activity should handle it according to their voter's wishes. Don't think having federal involvement aids anything. The locality has voted into office officials that accept (promote?) This activity, they should handle it with their resources as their electorate has desired. Local politics is closest to the wishes of the people in that area.

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And the president sits back and does nothing.

Oh, this game. Then accuse Trump of being bad when he does do something.

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Oh, this game. Then accuse Trump of being bad when he does do something.

I've given him credit a few times when he's done the right thing.

To be fair, doing nothing is probably better than doing the wrong thing. And in this case, he certainly isn't competent enough, nor has he built enough confidence in the people, that there is anything he could do that would be the right thing. So maybe it's in his best interests to just sit back and hope this all burns itself out.

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Handle it, a federal response is not required.

I'm trying to recall an instance where Trump's corrosive 'response' hasn't made the situation considerably more toxic. To anything. By one measure it's a remarkable talent he has, this ant-matter King Midas. So yeah, I agree; stay in that bunker and turn off the wifi.

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Trust the dems? 16 years in power & they did nothing to prevent this. Blame Trump. Go ahead. It's not going to solve the racial problem. It's a good start..maybe. Problems are too many and complex for a single POTUS to deal with. Congress is playing hot potato with issues. Little seriousness in Washington.

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All readers back on topic please. Posts that do not refer to Trump's comments on chokeholds will be removed.

And the president sits back and does nothing.

The independents have come to realize he's incompetent.

And they look over at his competition... and shrug.

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I see it like this. When I used to live in CA.Los Angeles under the former police chief of that city, Darryl Gates, he was a staunch defender of the chokehold and thought it was necessary, but there was a lot of controversy surrounding it when he said that the arteries in black people were not as well developed or not strong enough and that’s why their necks would get easily crushed or they would succumb to the effects of the chokehold, after that and after the riots in LA, the department stopped using it.

I think and depending on the situation, sometimes you do need to choke people out, some people are so violent or big or have a lot of stamina and if you can’t control them by Taser and if you can’t shoot them and if you can’t get them to submit, then a chokehold is an effective tool doing that.

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A chokehold used to be applied so that I don’t have to hurt you while controlling you. Generally after I have asked you to submit and you resist.

so what’s the alternative when criminals don’t do what they are asked to do by police?

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The good thing about choke holds: they can be used to incapacitate someone without hurting them.

The bad thing about choke holds: they can be abused to kill someone after incapacitating them.

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So what do you recommend?

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I have a chokehold, a taser, a baton or a gun. Which one gets the liberal seal of approval?

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So what do you recommend?

Listening to the experts.

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His interviews are getting embarrassing even by his standards.

Statements which sounds like they were written by a primary school kid who hates writing!!

And then there were his statements on Lincoln....

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I agree with his comments that chokeholds should generally be ended.

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Aren’t police the experts in chokeholds?

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If you read the online news . . . there is too much violent, crimes against people . . . the Administration and future governments need to better manage the police.

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Aren’t police the experts in chokeholds?

You tell me; was Chauvin?

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yes if he was able to use it to get a much larger man to the ground. What happened once he went to the ground was the horrific crime not the chokehold.

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Regardless I find it interesting that you hide behind “experts” to avoid having to agree with trump that this chokehold needs to stop.

remember this “defer to experts” thing when your opinion doesn’t match gun experts.

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yes if he was able to use it to get a much larger man to the ground. What happened once he went to the ground was the horrific crime not the chokehold.

Or was it an improperly applied chokehold?

Was it a problem with training? Or is it an inevitable result sometimes even when officers are properly trained? And if it is inevitable, what are the alternatives - are the overall a better result, or worse? And are there methods of training that can minimize the negative results? What is the general rate of death and/or serious injury amongst prisoners submitted through chokeholds. Etc. etc. etc.

Stuff I guarantee Trump didn't look into before making any of his comments.

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Listening to the experts.

I have been training in martial arts for years since I was 9 and it really doesn’t matter what the experts say, it’s just like being in a knife fight, no matter how good you are, it’s going to be hard not to get stabbed, or cut, so the best thing to do is to avoid any confrontation, but if you get some radical idiot trying to overpower you and you’ve tried everything in your power to do that individual and it doesn’t work, and you are forced to use a chokehold to get the individual to comply and to be submissive, then that’s what you do. The bigger question is, how long should you administer the chokehold and how much pressure, so you have to do it with reasonable force and if someone doesn’t comply and you used everything else at your disposal and the chokehold is one way of getting a person to comply, then that is what you have to do

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 Even after all these rallies still his popularity is going up.... I can not sleep... any one help me...

actually polls show him going down, the Senate is looking increasing out of reach for the Reublicans, they need to win 14 seats up for reelection the Democrats only need 4. even if Trump wins the white house it unlikely hell have the senate to back him, hell just be a lame duck. Republicans senators are sweating

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“I think the concept of chokeholds sounds so innocent, so perfect." A random insect is inhabiting that president's speech center.

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“I don’t like chokeholds," Trump said in an interview with Fox News Channel that aired Friday. “Generally speaking,” he said, the practice “should be ended.”

I do not like chokeholds either, but I am not sure how that is relevant here. Are chokeholds a "usual police practise"? I thought not. Maybe someone can correct that. And the knee-on-neck in the current famous case was not a "chokehold", and neither was the victim choked, as confirmed by the autopsy. Anybody who claims otherwise should read up on the issue.

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