Trump says he turned down Time's 'Person of the Year'

The guy with nukes is delusional. He is so in need of attention that he invents publicity and then acts like he is above the accepting the thing he lied about.

Time said that they didn’t contact him.

“If there’s anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.” Zaphod Beeblebrox, The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy

Hahaha... so why does he have a fake “Man of the Year” cover in his home?

Gotta love the guy.

Trump, Putin, Mohammad bin Salman, Erdogan, Xi, Duterte, Hassan Rouhani, Netanyahu. Scary that so many want their lives run by an authoritarian.

from: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/cult-of-personality

cult of personality

a cult promoting adulation of a living national leader or public figure, as one encouraged by Stalin to extend his power.

Time denies they even offered it to him. So he straight-up lied about it.

The man is pathological.

PTownsendToday  03:59 pm JST

Trump, Putin, Mohammad bin Salman, Erdogan, Xi, Duterte, Hassan Rouhani, Netanyahu. Scary that so many want their lives run by an authoritarian.

Losers love authoritarians because when they can't succeed at life, authoritarians give them permission to kick down on someone weaker.

he is trolling Time to get them to ruin their own brand by picking someone inferior just to avoid picking him.

I like how the “or worse” part was somehow emphasized by Time only when Trump won. Yeah, sure just like your company picks the worker with the worst sales as “employee of the year” sometimes just to shake things up huh?

I like how the “or worse” part was somehow emphasized by Time only when Trump won

Past winners include:

Adolf Hilter: 1938 

Joseph Stalin: 1939, 1942 

Nikita Khrushchev: 1957 

Ayatullah Khomeini: 1979 

In Trump's defense, he's not in their league. Time (so to speak) will tell.

TIME would sell more copies and subscriptions if it proclaimed him "Horse's you-know-what of the Year." But that's already been taken by Sean Hannity of FOX News.

he is trolling Time to get them to ruin their own brand

And that's probably part of making America great again?

by picking someone inferior just to avoid picking him.

They picked him last year.

I like how the “or worse” part was somehow emphasized by Time only when Trump won.

It's always been like that. Stop making stuff up.

Yes im aware that he won last year already, surprised there is no “but Hillary won the popular vote” or “muh the Russians” on that too.

Yes making America great again by showing us once again how much the media we thought we could trust we really can’t. We see now that the media actually lies, distorts, manipulates, pushes politically motivated hypocrisy and puts liberal bias on everything we are “fed” by them.

Just to rankle Trump I'd love to see Colin Kaepernick named Time's Person of the Year.

Trump claims he took himself out of the running for Time’s ‘Person of the Year,’ but he’s a lock for ‘Douchebag of the Decade.’

Yeah Kaepernick would be an excellent choice. Then we won’t have to worry about this award for 2018 cause there won’t be one.

i just love all the indignant people on twitter like “Trump would never be considered for this award so he is obviously lying!!!”....about an award he just won last year.

The criteria is done the most to influence the eventS of the year. Not just one event but plural. Trump tweets daily events and millions react to every single one of them, so he obviously wins that. But I do think this year it won’t a person but a concept like “the protest” or “the resistance”.

Trump is just a manifestation of greater issues. The rise of the rabid right, their media, bigotry, and decline of reason of a nation? USA once to the moon can't get out of the Fox News studio. A beacon and success of liberal democratic principles that shown unto the world, is now just a ever receding shadow of doom. Photo cover of the flag on the ground being walked over should do it

Trump's claim seems plausible. Only last month I declined People Magazine's "Sexiest Man of the Year" award offer. I'm 65, and I just thought it should go to a younger fellow.

Trump tweets daily events and millions react to every single one of them, so he obviously wins that. 

Tweeting daily is an "event?" Right. Rofl

Time to vacate the white house as well

I swear we are living in the Twilight Zone, this orange bumbling buffoon is so obviously delusional and clueless, yet some people overlook that and treat him as though he is some kind of great and benevolent human being!

Plot twist: TIME actually called him, but now denies it to make Trump look like (more of) a tool.

Blacklabel: Yes making America great again by showing us once again how much the media we thought we could trust we really can’t.

OK. But why trust Trump?

he is trolling Time to get them to ruin their own brand

The president of the most powerful country in the world is a troll.

Great.

I'd be ashamed if he was mine.

The guy with nukes is delusional. He is so in need of attention that he invents publicity and then acts like he is above the accepting the thing he lied about. 

I think Trump loves to p*** the left off and by judging by the usual hateful comments, Trump succeeded once again, lol.

Time said that they didn’t contact him.

How do we know Time didn’t lie?

Trump has committed Treason and High Crimes against the USA.

Traitors are usually sentenced to death and he deserves the same for his treasonous acts.

He is Like all other traitors and does not deserve to breathe another singe bit of Freedom and Free Air.

He better run to Putin and find a new country as Mueller will take him down and prison is coming for sure.

Put him in an orange Jump-Suit in Guantanamo Bay with his favorite inmates.

Trump has committed Treason and High Crimes against the USA.

This is where the left start to leave the reservation.

Traitors are usually sentenced to death and he deserves the same for his treasonous acts.

Oh, I know two others that would be more befitting of that.

He is Like all other traitors and does not deserve to breathe another singe bit of Freedom and Free Air.

I think the Democratic Party should lead the way.

He better run to Putin and find a new country as Mueller will take him down and prison is coming for sure.

How do you know this and how can you be sure? What do you know that Mueller doesn’t know?

Put him in an orange Jump-Suit in Guantanamo Bay with his favorite inmates.

Wrong person.

Blacklabel: Yes making America great again by showing us once again how much the media we thought we could trust we really can’t.

This must have come as quite the revelation to those fed on a diet of Fox and Friends.

How do we know Time didn’t lie?

We don’t. But unlike Trump, Time doesn’t have a history of lying.

Bottom line we don’t even need Time Magazine to tell us that Trump is Person of the Year.

how I know this is within 12 hours of the announcement the MSM will have multiple articles telling us why whoever was picked is better than Trump. He is the “measuring stick” for most all things these days.

Oh man that Jim Acosta guy on Tv saying Trump won last year so it’s “someone else’s turn”. Hahahahaha we know how it worked out last time it was someone’s “turn” to win.

CNN is pushing for a guy who has spent all year basically doing nothing of substance to get it...Mueller, of course. CNN has no creativity at all.

Times explained summary of procedure. It wouldn't leak. Because secret will sell plenty of issues.

how much the media we thought we could trust we really can’t.

You can't say that because FOX is the most trusted news network in the USA and they always say Trump is the best president ever. Trump watches FOX, especially Hannity and Friends to help him guide the country and FOX is trying to convince Trump to arrest Hillary and fire Mueller. Then how come Trump is doing neither?

CNN has no creativity at all.

Why obsess over CNN? Doesn't FOX News have about 10x the viewers as CNN. And you can tell about the demographics with FOX news by how they advertise catheters and Depends so much. Lots of people in that FOX News age group so they are an important Trump voting base.

Yes making America great again

How exactly is Trump doing this. Yes, FOX say this but they are not providing any details. Please give some specifics. I'm not talking about making America a Christian nation for the flying Jesus zombie believers. I'm talking about steps that really help the USA economy. What is Trump's real plan?

We don’t. But unlike Trump, Time doesn’t have a history of lying.

http://fair.org/extra/time-gives-up-on-factchecking/

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/time-magazine-news-bias

Not only did they have a history of it, but they practically wear it on their sleeve proudly.

That still doesn't explain why you support Trump's lies.

Man-child of the year!

I mean if they are actually going for the “worse” this year it would obviously be Harvey Weinstein. His actions had a huge (negative) impact.

BlacklabelNov. 25  04:35 pm JST

he is trolling Time to get them to ruin their own brand by picking someone inferior just to avoid picking him.

bass4funkNov. 25  08:42 pm JST

I think Trump loves to p*** the left off and by judging by the usual hateful comments, Trump succeeded once again, lol.

Trolling the media and p***ing people off for fun. This is the kind of thing presidents should be spending their time doing, is it? Getting down to the level of some of their supporters?

Dec 6 issues will. Be sold sky rocket. Now because Times is keeping secret.

MSNBC is against Trump. and FOX is not doing well after it had OReilly scandal. As for.CNN, gov't is using ati trust law to dismantle entire organization.

I don’t mind it, keeps the fake news media somewhat honest.

Known anti-Trump media couple “Mika and Joe” just got caught acting as if a show taped on Wednesday was actually live on Friday. Even talked about how great their holiday meal they hadn’t even eaten yet tasted. And Trump is a “liar”??

This is our media that I’m supposed to believe instead of Trump? Can’t wait to see Trunp’s tweet on this and see how they try to cover their lies.

This is the kind of thing presidents should be spending their time doing, is it?

Yes. It's revenge politics for them. It's why they voted for him, why they support his lies, why they support his racism and his bigotry, why they support him teaming up with Russia. They only thing they care about is getting revenge on the Left, even if they hurt themselves in the process.

Enter Trump.

More fake news from Trump and company. What a clown.

blacklabel: This is our media that I’m supposed to believe

One morning talk show isn't "our media." It's one morning talk show on a left-leaning channel, just as the Right has Fox and Friends. I doubt you'd want me describing "our media" with that.

Everyone has bias, but that can be set aside as long as 1) you understand what kind of site you're on and 2) you have a variety of different sources. If you go to Fox News, you'll see a daily article about some liberal at some school doing something crazy which Fox uses to promote the view that liberals are destroying our education system. And if you go to Huffington Post everyday you'll see an article about some right-wing politician in some nowhere town saying something crazy about religion or abortion so they can reinforce their position that old white GOPers are out of touch.

Since we have the internet, all they have to do is find one single story from across the entire country and they can fill that slot for the day. These anecdotes are strung together and reinforced to define the other side by their worst members. But again....as long as you get you get news from a variety of places, and as long as you know what's going on, you should be fine.

This is where you fail since you don't visit left-wing sites enough. You don't have to agree with them, but it's good just to see the other side.

Trump lies a lot and you don't call him out on it, which is why he continues to lie. And I think by the point you have a strong resentment for any kind of checks and balances on the Oval Office, which is you working against your own interests. Trump has the ability to do that with some people and it's frustrating.

BlacklabelToday  03:50 am JST

I don’t mind it, keeps the fake news media somewhat honest.

Really? TIME are saying there's no truth in what Trump's saying here at all. So it's either not actually keeping "the fake news media somewhat honest" or it's Trump who's making it all up.

Anyway, even if it did have the effect of keeping them more honest, that's not why you said Trump was doing it, is it? You said he's trolling them to get them to ruin their brand, i.e. a deliberate, malicious act intended to damage someone else's business. That is okay with you, is it?

I don’t mind it, keeps the fake news media somewhat honest.

A president who lies keeps the media from lying...

That's some messed up 'logic' there. Especially since he does not keep the fake news Fox "news" even remotely honest - if anything he feeds into them so that they lie more.

One million face palms.

I would say it makes sense he would win again this year, he probably had the most influence this year. Although I would hope Time would stop glorifying him like this even though this would be for his malign influence.

That still doesn't explain why you support Trump's lies.

I don’t. As I told you, I don’t jump to conclusions, but knowing how Time can be bias and how they more than often fabricate stories, I’ll stay in the middle of this.

*Trolling the media and p**ing people off for fun. This is the kind of thing presidents should be spending their time doing, is it?

Many of us feel the same about the media. The way they have been acting, being completely unfair the majority of the time, there is nothing wrong with holding the president accountable or any politician, but a recent poll showed that 46% of Americans feel that the media just makes up stuff about Trump. Their hatred overrides their ability to objectively tell the news and also tells why so many people are tuning out the media overall. Trump is human and if you punch him, he’s going to punch back as he should. Personally, I’m happy that we have a president that shoves back on the media and against the wretched Washington establishment.

Getting down to the level of some of their supporters?

I hope so.

Yes. It's revenge politics for them. It's why they voted for him, why they support his lies, why they support his racism and his bigotry, why they support him teaming up with Russia.

First of all, there is absolutely no proof that the president is a bigot or a racist, he son in law is Jewish, supports Israel, has Ben Carson in his cabinet and two spokeswoman that were Black, how many time do we have to debunk this, the left continuously try to pitch that false accusation every time, boring and no one is really paying attention, the election is over. As for Russia, that boomerang is starting to swing back to the left. Where is Tony Podesta these days?

They only thing they care about is getting revenge on the Left, even if they hurt themselves in the process. 

No, the only thing they care about is not letting the country slide along the same abysmal fate that California and NY are going through and that’s leaving the surroundings of reality and the fog of political correctness and to hinder the disease of creating a spoiled society of kids that suffer from sporadic micro aggressive tendencies.

Time can be bias and how they more than often fabricate stories, 

Please give one example of Time fabricating a story. The links you provided earlier only reference how Time stopped fact checking every false utterance from politicians. That is not an admittance of making stuff up.

So, show us a story fabricated by Time. And even if you can find one, I'll find you ten fabricated by Trump.

kids that suffer from sporadic micro aggressive tendencies.

Like a famous person on Twitter who like to "p*** the left off"?

Surely the White House, and Time both keep records of e-mails and phone calls?

Should be easy to prove, one way or the other....

Please give one example of Time fabricating a story.

Oh, jeeez, you want me to go every single day since over the las 2 years?? I don have that kind of time. Come on, dude....

The links you provided earlier only reference how Time stopped fact checking every false utterance from politicians.

That’s more than enough.

That is not an admittance of making stuff up.

That’s neither an adimittance of them telling the truth either, not even close.

So, show us a story fabricated by Time. And even if you can find one, I'll find you ten fabricated by Trump.

That doesn’t mean Time doesn’t fabricate news, whether Trump embellishes a story or not.

*Like a famous person on Twitter who like to "p** the left off"?

If the shoe fits. Kudos!

Original comment:

*Please give one example of Time fabricating a story. *

Bass' reply:

Oh, jeeez, you want me to go every single day since over the las 2 years??

Nope, he was pretty clear that one example was enough. Yet you can't even come up with that. Because none exist.

bass4funkToday  08:32 am JST

I don’t. As I told you, I don’t jump to conclusions,

Then in the very same post:

No, the only thing they care about is not letting the country slide along the same abysmal fate that California and NY are going through and that’s leaving the surroundings of reality and the fog of political correctness and to hinder the disease of creating a spoiled society of kids that suffer from sporadic micro aggressive tendencies.

I guess what you meant to say is, "I don't jump to conclusions unless it's about my hated political enemies, in which case there is no lie I won't regurgitate the instant I hear it."

That doesn’t mean Time doesn’t fabricate news, whether Trump embellishes a story or not.

Stop using the euphemistic, evasive language you attack the liberal PC crowd for.

‘Embellishes a story’? Just use clear English. ‘Lie’ does the job far more clearly and honestly here.

So no one cares that an entire “news” program (that only really even exists anymore because it is anti-trump) pretended to be “live” when it was taped 2 days before.

Talking about food they hadn’t eaten and sports that hadn’t been played. But that’s ok, just sweep that right under the carpet while screaming Trump is a liar every single day.

And no I don’t mind that Trump uses people’s hatred and lies about him to help them destroy their own brands or their own careers. If you don’t want that, cover the news fairly and don’t lie.

How quickly you forget when convenient

http://time.com/4645541/donald-trump-white-house-oval-office/

So no one cares that an entire “news” program (that only really even exists anymore because it is anti-trump) pretended to be “live” when it was taped 2 days before.

Are you asking if people care that suddenly some talk show was found to be doing exactly what talk shows have been known to do since the dawn of television?

Really?

And it’s not a news show, even if you put news in quotes.

How quickly you forget when convenient

Thank you for clearly showing the difference in responsibility between Trump and the MSM. Trump has never admitted wrongdoing on anything, not retracted any statements. He’s never admitted any of his lies.

And you people try to equate a respected news organization like time to the lying groper of a president.

Trump had fake Time magazine covers made with him on it, then he displayed them at his resorts.

Another day, another lie.

The pathological predator never ceases to entertain.

bass4funkToday  08:32 am JST

Trolling the media and ping people off for fun. This is the kind of thing presidents should be spending their time doing, is it?*

Many of us feel the same about the media. The way they have been acting, being completely unfair the majority of the time, there is nothing wrong with holding the president accountable or any politician, but a recent poll showed that 46% of Americans feel that the media just makes up stuff about Trump.

I see you neglect to mention which poll. Perhaps you don't think anyone's going to take it seriously if you do.

"Getting down to the level of some of their supporters?"

I hope so.

Yes, you've kind of missed the point there... never mind.

bass4funkToday  09:43 am JST

"So, show us a story fabricated by Time. And even if you can find one, I'll find you ten fabricated by Trump."

That doesn’t mean Time doesn’t fabricate news, whether Trump embellishes a story or not.

No, it just means you come out with stuff you can't or won't back up with facts. Could be why no one takes anything you write all that seriously.

BlacklabelToday  12:17 pm JST

And no I don’t mind that Trump uses people’s hatred and lies about him to help them destroy their own brands or their own careers. If you don’t want that, cover the news fairly and don’t lie.

I'd prefer it if the leader of the most powerful country on the planet found better things to do with himself, personally. I never cared a whole lot for Margaret Thatcher or Ronald Reagan but at least they weren't wasting time with this kind of childish nonsense.

Oh, jeeez, you want me to go every single day since over the las 2 years?? I don have that kind of time. Come on, dude....

I asked you for a single example of a story fabricated by Time and you come up with this answer.

So I'll try again. Since you've now insinuated that Time has made up stories every single day for the last two years, it shouldn't be difficult to cite just one of those stories. I assume you do have time for that.

I had an example of a totally fabricated story by Time. Totally made up that a bust of MLK was removed from the oval office in order to push the racist narrative.

But I guess anything is ok now (fake news, sexual assault) as long as you retract or apologize? If you read the Time apology it was more a list of reasons for their mistake than an actual apology.

so if Trump apologized for every single thing you think was a “lie” from him he is ok from now ? Or wouldn’t you still ask him to stop lying in the first place? That’s what I’m expecting of the media. Honest reporting not lies, apologies and retractions.

Simple answer here:

Trump will never apologise and never stop lying.

time magazine tweet.

"The President is incorrect about how we choose Person of the Year. TIME does not comment on our choice until publication, which is December 6" so Trump is just making more stuff up or Time is lying, dont need to answer to that do we?

so if Trump apologized for every single thing you think was a “lie” from him

What’s going on here? Why did you put the word lie in quotation marks? Bass used ‘embellishes’. Are you going to treat us to ‘exaggerates’ or ‘hyperbole’ next?

Trump tells lies and then lies about telling the lies in the first place.

Remember him denying his fictional sex tape trash tweet in front of the nation on live TV? Mind-blowing lies.

Nope, he was pretty clear that one example was enough. Yet you can't even come up with that. Because none exist.

Even if he was, it doesn’t matter and again, do we know what the big wigs at Time discussed with the president? We don’t. You can believe Time if you want, that’s your prerogative, I don’t, they’ve done more than enough over the years to have their integrity questioned. We will just have to disagree on this one.

I guess what you meant to say is, "I don't jump to conclusions unless it's about my hated political enemies, in which case there is no lie I won't regurgitate the instant I hear it."

Yeah, from a liberal perspective that’s how it would seem, I hear ya.

Stop using the euphemistic, evasive language you attack the liberal PC crowd for. 

‘Embellishes a story’? Just use clear English. ‘Lie’ does the job far more clearly and honestly here.

Never evasive, always on point, but no, I don’t see it as a lie or I should say, I’m not blindly taking Times word as blind fact without knowing what was said exactly.

I see you neglect to mention which poll. Perhaps you don't think anyone's going to take it seriously if you do.

Liberals never take anything the right says if they don’t agree with it, so it doesn’t matter. Now if I quote Trump bashing outlets regardless how ludicrous and outlandish their reporting is, they’ll lap it up, every single time.

Yes, you've kind of missed the point there... never mind.

Actually, I didn’t.

No, it just means you come out with stuff you can't or won't back up with facts. Could be why no one takes anything you write all that seriously.

I always back up my point with facts, but as long as the Trump hating crowd is in that never listen to the right mode, it doesn’t matter what facts you put out, the left will never accept it Hate clouds their judgement to see through the mud. Smh.

bass4funkToday  08:32 am JST

I don’t. As I told you, I don’t jump to conclusions,

And yet,

bass4funkToday  03:21 pm JST

Yeah, from a liberal perspective that’s how it would seem, I hear ya.

...you are perfectly willing to jump to the conclusion that my comment comes from a "liberal perspective."

Yeah, we see exactly what you are, bass.

Where in the Time magazine tweet does it say “we did not contact Trump about this award and he was not under consideration”? Doesn’t say that does it? Why not? (Hint: because they did and he was)

Dodging my question. Obviously you think that Trump has lied about many more things than I do. That’s just partisanship.

So ok ever single thing that you consider he every lied about, he retracts and apologizes. Now is he ok to go about his business of being president and all is forgiven?

@bass

You can believe Time if you want, that’s your prerogative, I don’t, they’ve done more than enough over the years to have their integrity questioned. We will just have to disagree on this one.

That's a cop out. You still haven't provided an example of a single story Time has fabricated.

@Blacklabel

The MLK bust story wasn't fabricated. Zeke Miller of Time made an error in reporting about what seemed to be the missing bust of MLK from the Oval Office. That error was corrected two minutes later and was apologized for quite noticeably by Time.

Trump meanwhile has hung fake covers of Time Magazine featuring himself around his properties, pushed the fake story of Obama not having been born in America, made up having seen thousands of Muslims in New Jersey celebrating after 9/11, and claimed without a shred of evidence that millions of people in America voted illegally and that Obama "wiretapped" him. (That's for starters. If you want more, you'll have to wait until bass provides an example of Time Magazine fabricating a story.) It took Trump 8 years to begrudgingly admit that Obama was indeed born in America, but simultaneously blamed the story on Clinton. The other stuff he's never corrected.

I think you can see the difference.

So who do you trust on this story? Time or Trump? The ball's in bass4funk's court now.

Is the magazine cover in the photo one of the fake ones at Mar-a-Lago?

Where in the Time magazine tweet does it say “we did not contact Trump about this award and he was not under consideration”? Doesn’t say that does it? Why not? (Hint: because they did and he was)

Time’s chief content officer, Alan Murray, tweeted that the president’s words were “amazing. Not a speck of truth here”. Translated, that means Trump was lying. Time did not contact Trump, he was not under consideration.

Trump 'incorrect' over Time person of the year claims, magazine says | US news | The Guardian

In the same article, Trump is quoted as saying, “I assume this is going to be a cover too, have I set the record? I guess, right? Covers, nobody’s had more covers.”

Leaving aside that Trump, with 14 appearances on the cover of Time, is nowhere near Nixon's 43, Reagan's 39, Clinton's 35 or Obama's 23. His constant insistence on always having to be the best, the biggest, the most ,etc., is quite pathetic and probably a symptom of some kind of deep insecurity/inferiority complex. Poor Donny. He's never going to meet his own high standards for himself, and he's never going to admit it.

eh, the narcissistic sociopath pathological liar has found one more tangent to keep him from focusing on the people’s business.

Time after time he demonstrates how poorly we chose as a people.

I had an example of a totally fabricated story by Time.

How about Obama being born in the USA or Hillary NOT a criminal. Those are fake stories by TIME according to Trump followers.

"Time Magazine called to say that I was PROBABLY going to be named 'Man (Person) of the Year,' like last year, but I would have to agree to an interview and a major photo shoot. I very much doubt Time said "probably going to name you". It just Trump trying to apply pressure on them to do it, now when Time doesn't Trump can use it as an excuse to say "see I told you they didnt name me because I turned them down" LOL this is how professional con men work, they manipulate people. When Time name another you can expect a tweet from Trump insulting that person also. LOL

you think that Trump has lied

Trump followers, what has Trump done to make the USA great again? Healthcare costs are up. Mass shootings are up. Nazi rallies are up. And Trump followers are more angry now (and Trump won). You like Trump because.....(please give specifics)

...you are perfectly willing to jump to the conclusion that my comment comes from a "liberal perspective."

Pointing out flaws in your argument and coming unglued are two entirely different things.

Yeah, we see exactly what you are, bass.

No, you don’t. Stuffing and Cranberry sauce, can’t go wrong.

Time’s chief content officer, Alan Murray, tweeted that the president’s words were “amazing. Not a speck of truth here”. Translated, that means Trump was lying. Time did not contact Trump, he was not under consideration.

Well, since she personally said it, that makes me feel better. Lol

Anyway, the way the liberal media has acted in the States, I would trust anything they say with a grain of salt, not saying she’s lying, but since most of them have been digging to find anything on the president, I’ll proceed with a bit of caution.

That's a cop out. You still haven't provided an example of a single story Time has fabricated.

I already explained my position, not repeating it again, believe what you like as I will do the same.

the way the liberal media has acted in the States, I would trust anything they say

What's the problem? Just watch FOX. Trump gets his news and his advice from there.

I already explained my position, not repeating it again, believe what you like as I will do the same.

You don't have to repeat your position. I got it. You don't have a single piece of evidence that Time fabricates news. You have your belief in a certain version of reality, which is obviously based on more important things than empirical evidence or critical thought, such as sublimated insecurity and resentment against what you are not--hallmarks of Trumpism. Good luck with that. It is definitely not what great countries are made of. MAGA.

You don't have to repeat your position. I got it. You don't have a single piece of evidence that Time fabricates news.

I do, but as I said, it doesn’t matter either way because you wouldn’t trust it, especially if it’s from a conservative site.

You have your belief in a certain version of reality, which is obviously based on more important things than empirical evidence or critical thought, such as sublimated insecurity and resentment against what you are not--hallmarks of Trumpism.

Not at all, but I do think that your hatred of Trump does cloud your judgement to view And judge the man fairly.

Good luck with that. It is definitely not what great countries are made of. MAGA

Hmmmm...like when Time last year already printed thousands of copies from the other candidate that was supposed to win, instead of being fair and waiting for the results, as in true liberal fashion, they thought the race was won without giving a shred of credibility to what could possibly happen. They ate crow and they’re still choking on it.

Trump and his fans have an honesty issue. They aren't able to speak directly about his lying.

Trump and his fans have an honesty issue. They aren't able to speak directly about his lying.

No, I think the left and the media have an issue that they are so disconnected from reality as well as from what’s going on within the country they still can’t get over they lost, the majority of the country get it, the haters don’t, because the ONLY solution they have besides their lies and hatred is more hatred. A perfect combination to win elections, but off zero solutions.

I do, but as I said, it doesn’t matter either way because you wouldn’t trust it, especially if it’s from a conservative site.

Come on, man. Have some faith in your convictions and your sources. Don’t let liberals like me push you around. Convince me. Let truth ring loud and clear. When has Time Magazine fabricated a story?

because the ONLY solution they have besides their lies and hatred is more hatred.

Which encapsulates the modus operandi of Trump and his supporters in a perfect nutshell.

SuperLibToday  08:52 pm JST

Trump and his fans have an honesty issue. They aren't able to speak directly about his lying.

It's true, but the problem goes back far longer than Trump and is far wider than his Kool-Aid drinking fanatics.

Even going back to his being a driving force behind birtherism, Trump wouldn't have been able to spread his lies without the work of people like Karl Rove orchestrating propaganda to engineer anger among right-wing voters. That wouldn't have been possible without the lies of Bush Jr. to support his militant adventurism. Which wouldn't have been possible without the lies of right-wing talk-radio personalities. Which wouldn't have been possible without Reagan's lies about the economy and the capacity for governments to be a force for good. Which wouldn't have been possible without Nixon's southern strategy and the conscious decision by Republicans in the 70s to push abortion as a wedge issue to drive people out of churches and into voting booths after segregation was finally dead as an issue.

The right-wing is no longer about any rational political cause. It's not even conservative any more: Trumpism is half naked kleptocracy and half radical social experimentation. And that's because the kinds of people who are attracted to the right aren't interested in sensible policy. What they want is a feeling of moral clarity, an absolute certainty that they are good in comparison to someone who is bad. But that kind of moral clarity requires absolute faith in certain people- not institutions. So the social institutions we have that safeguard truth, practices like science and journalism, are anathema to the new American right. Truth exists outside of people, which means it's a threat to the fantasy that straight white suburban or rural working class American Christian men are just naturally the best people compared everyone else.

So they lie. And they support liars. Truth is their enemy, because the truth tells them they aren't specialer than everyone else by default.

I see everyone is tip toeing past all the media lies.

MLK bust story wasn’t “fabricated” huh? Definition of “fabrication”: “invent something in order to deceive”

it wac invented that the MLK bust was moved because it never was. The intention was to deceive people that it was gone when it wasn’t. That’s not just an error that’s intentional to try to injure Trump and push him as a racist. Why else would a journalist care about an office decoration?

So you guys still won’t answer my question. If Trump were to apologize for all his “lies” will you get off his back and let him govern?

I see everyone is tip toeing past all the media lies.

"Lies" is plural. So far you've given us one media "lie." Keep going. I'm sure Donny, a man who lied about Obama's nationality, being wiretapped, releasing his taxes, the size of his inauguration, etc. is farrr more credible than the "lying libral media." Prove it.;)

Bass: No, I think the left and the media have an issue that they are so disconnected from reality as well as from what’s going on within the country they still can’t get over they lost, the majority of the country get it, the haters don’t, because the ONLY solution they have besides their lies and hatred is more hatred. A perfect combination to win elections, but off zero solutions.

And that's why you give Trump a free pass on all his lying?

blacklabel: I see everyone is tip toeing past all the media lies.

How about you? Why do you avoid the topic of Trump's lies?

My only guess is that it causes them some kind of anxiety, or maybe they think if they criticize Trump then they aren't part of the team anymore? Or maybe they are so desperate for political revenge that a lying President is well worth it to them.

Either way, it remains a mystery. Trump lies to their faces and they stay silent.

bass4funkToday  03:21 pm JST

"I see you neglect to mention which poll. Perhaps you don't think anyone's going to take it seriously if you do."

Liberals never take anything the right says if they don’t agree with it, so it doesn’t matter.

You're either making the utterly laughable assertion that all liberals are always exactly the same, or you know whatever poll you're citing will not be accepted by anyone else as objective and reliable. Well, if it's an honest reflection of the views of a large and diverse group of Americans with different backgrounds and opinions I'll accept it, so where has it come from? When have you ever taken anything the left said that YOU didn't agree with, by the way?

"Yes, you've kind of missed the point there... never mind."

Actually, I didn’t.

Going by your comment it rather appears that you did. Perhaps you just didn't express yourself very well though.

Trump once again trolled the corporate media rather brilliantly. Alas, those afflicted with TDS (Trump derangement syndrome) will once again not get the joke, and instead parrot the corporate media nonsene. It is quite hilarious to watch this.

more like I'm astounded that the left believe their own lies

LOL yes, it is amazing. However seeing how the positions have shifted over the years, I think term "left" has lost all its meaning. What the "left" stands for today is precisely what the left of old was against. Absolute state control, oppression of free speech, pushing for illegal military interventions abroad, absolute belief in the stories of the big corporate media, etc etc.... absolutely astounding really. I prefer to call this segment of the population gullible rather than "left".

WilliBNov. 26  11:20 pm JST

Trump once again trolled the corporate media rather brilliantly.

I'm not impressed by trolls, "brilliant" or not. However I think it's just as likely there's no trolling intended and he is in fact just a senile, deeply stupid old man who just says whatever he thinks makes him look good and has now lost the plot so totally that he actually believes it.

So to end this topic for me I can deal with Trump’s “lies” because they are about things of little significance to anyone other than him and are usually related to his ego.

Other politicians lie about things that affect our national security, lie about misusing tax payer money or lie about crimes they are accused of to avoid punishment.

I never said that Trump doesn't lie here or there at times, every president lied, but the media.....off the charts. then why continually defend the man, its clear he has a history of lies deceit , making stuff up, putting his person interest and ego above almost everything. we get hes your guy, we get that Trumpsters dont want to be proven wrong , we get that they despise the left. there comes a time when youve got to have a long hard look at Trump and say is he really the man that should be the face of America. We can only pray the "The Rock" runs for President in 2020 as moviestars have better track record of running America than billionaire con men. please dont give me the same ol anti-liberal answer as Im neither left or right if anything Im a political agnostic believe a mix of both will make for the best recipe. When I look at Trump I see a political atheist, only believes in his ego and money, will trample on anything that gets in his way including his supporters

BlacklabelToday  12:21 am JST

I don’t know why you guys are hung up on “lies”. Prior to Trump wasn’t it already assumed that politicians lied? Why is he held to a different standard like if you catch him lying once he has to quit or something?

Its basically part of the “politics” job to lie when it’s in your best interest.

So it's somehow in his best interest, for instance, to claim that he's been on the cover of TIME more often than any other president, when in fact he's only managed it 11 times while Richard Nixon has done so 55 times. I get it that politicians may lie out of self-preservation, but to make this kind of stuff up when it's so easy to check is just... well, incredibly stupid.

I never said that Trump doesn't lie here or there at times, every president lied, but the media.....off the charts.  then why continually defend the man, its clear he has a history of lies deceit , making stuff up, putting his person interest and ego above almost everything.

Yeah, but I focus more on his policies and that he undoes every single executive order from the last admin. and as long as the economy keeps booming the way it is and the Stock Market looks great, I can deal with Trump being Trump.

we get hes your guy, we get that Trumpsters dont want to be proven wrong , we get that they despise the left. there comes a time when youve got to have a long hard look at Trump and say is he really the man that should be the face of America. 

Yes, and hell Yes!

We can only pray the "The Rock" runs for President in 2020 as moviestars have better track record of running America than billionaire con men.

You mean like Martin Sheen?

please dont give me the same ol anti-liberal answer as Im neither left or right if anything Im a political agnostic believe a mix of both will make for the best recipe. 

If that's true then you would see Trump is the better choice, businessman, successful, knows the economy and hates the establishment, what's not to like?

When I look at Trump I see a political atheist, only believes in his ego and money, will trample on anything that gets in his way including his supporters.

I get a chuckle when the left start talking about Atheism.

Yeah it might be stupid but it doesn’t really hurt our nation or our security or push a false political narrative. Unlike these lies that really hurt the US and it’s citizens or caused people to believe something important was true when it wasn’t:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/01/19/obamas-biggest-whoppers/?utm_term=.f18f95f4e7fa

blacklabel: I don’t know why you guys are hung up on “lies”. Prior to Trump wasn’t it already assumed that politicians lied? Its basically part of the “politics” job to lie when it’s in your best interest.

OK, so that's closer to an explanation. You give a pass on Trump lying because you expect him to lie as a politician. As such, when he lies to you, and you know he's lying, you stay silent. That explains a lot. Do you think part of the reason Trump and other politicians lie so much is because of people like you gave up on calling them out for it?

bass: Yeah, but I focus more on his policies and that he undoes every single executive order from the last admin. and as long as the economy keeps booming the way it is and the Stock Market looks great, I can deal with Trump being Trump.

And again, another closer step towards an explanation. Trump lies to you and you stay silent because you like the stock market performance. Perhaps the stocks wouldn't be doing so well if Trump used more honesty? Who knows. But at least you're starting to give a reason as to why you give him a free pass on lying so much.

Also, since you guys know Trump lies so much, when a situation comes up like Russia or trusting the intelligence agencies or Comey, do you believe everything the liar says in those instances? Do you chalk it up as him being a politician or check the stock market to take your mind off of it?

sf2k: Trump is just a manifestation of greater issues. The rise of the rabid right, their media, bigotry, and decline of reason of a nation? USA once to the moon can't get out of the Fox News studio. A beacon and success of liberal democratic principles that shown unto the world, is now just a ever receding shadow of doom. Photo cover of the flag on the ground being walked over should do it

Did you see that video appearance last year when Trumpytraitor said he loves freedom and our flag and such. Then he went to the Star and Stripes rowed behind him and hugged, caressed and wiped his face on them. Big time desecration, man. Donald Douchebag Trump is a DISGRACE.

bass4funk:  When I look at Trump I see a political atheist, only believes in his ego and money, will trample on anything that gets in his way including his supporters.

I get a chuckle when the left start talking about Atheism.

No atheism to it. Douchebag Trumpytraitor thinks he's a god and he wants you to think so too. Chuckle all you want but il Douchey proclaims himself to be a god no matter if you believe in one or not. It wouldn't surprise me if he'd try to get churches to sing his praises. It's happened in Haiti under the Duvaliers and in Zaire under Mobutu and elsewhere. Totalitarian Trump thinks and acts like he's a supreme being and he needs to be put in his place.

TIME magazine selects Man of the Year, good or bad. In 1982 it was the home computer of all things. In 1992 it was the '2 George Bushes'. It's whatever makes the most Noize and gets the most notoriety. Donald Trump is the Traitor Dirtbag of the Year because he's a loudmouth lothario lummox who does nothing but shoot off the mouth about anyone who won't worship him, and he's uncouth, deranged, immature, stupid and he don't know how to shut up. The world is looking elsewhere for inspiration for freedom and human rights because of this corrupt bigoted ill-mannered cretin. America has become disgraced because of him.

Only if the lie is damaging to the nation or national security, 

Fascinating. But if you say he lies, how do you know when he's telling the truth about national security issues?

And how do you handle lies like the one he said about Muslims cheering on 9/11? It doesn't impact national security, it just gives a black eye to a group of regular Americans. OK lie or not OK lie?

I don't stare at the ceiling contemplating whether a president just lied to me or not. I don't have that kind of time, I work.

Oh, OK. You were talking about TIME before so you must have had a moment to check the ceiling.

What surprises me is that Trump fans elected him to "change Washington" and they instantly start saying it's OK to lie since Trump is just like all the other politicians. I guess that wasn't included in the change part.

Fascinating. But if you say he lies, how do you know when he's telling the truth about national security issues? 

Because the very people that are supposed to protect us and our civil liberties were caught in numerous lies and scandals over testified reports, Wikileaks as well as previous employees.

And how do you handle lies like the one he said about Muslims cheering on 9/11?

Just because Trump personally saw it that way doesn't mean he was lying from his perspective, he could very believe what he heard and saw, if so, then he wasn't lying. Lying involves the intentional threat to deceive and distort (CNN) If Trump believes that is indeed what happened, it doesn't mean, he lied, it's just how he views how the situation unfolded. 

It doesn't impact national security, it just gives a black eye to a group of regular Americans. OK lie or not OK lie?

No, it impacts national security if the agents in the field were told something different from what their superiors wanted to convey. If you're really worried about true lies and deception, try holding the media accountable and the liberal forces that hate this president and would do anything to see his demise, including putting their anger and hatred before the country and to try to silence any opposition, believe me, there's enough of that going around.

Time's comment was weird, they said ' The President is incorrect about how we choose Person of the Year. TIME does not comment on our choice until publication, which is December 6'.

That wasn't the issue, how they choose. They don't put people on the cover without interviewing them, in fact he was interviewed and photographed specifically for the cover in 2016, so them saying that the choice is secret until the issue comes out really has nothing to do with what Trump said. It's a secret to the general public, not to the person chosen. Why didn't the come out and say 'We have not contacted President Trump' if that was the case? Just a strange response all around.

How are you gonna turn down something that wasn't offered to you in the first place? That's like me saying "No Thanks" to the wedding of your neighbour! I wasn't invited!

I think Trump loves to p*** the left off and by judging by the usual hateful comments, Trump succeeded once again, lol.

LOL, Trump as in crazy as a fox (a rational thinker acting crazy) or as in just plain crazy?

No, I wouldn't associate rational thought with Trump. As one example, did you listen to or read about his holiday message to the Coast Guard? It was bats**t crazy, like most of what he says and does.

You mean like *Martin Sheen? ah no Reagan, funny hes from Hollywood also! * **

businessman, no con man

successful, daddys money

knows the economy hardly,

hates the establishment cant get much done without them, even when you control the senate

I get a chuckle when the left start talking about Atheism. political atheist not religious i chuckle when people cant tell the difference.

 it doesn't mean, he lied, it's just how he views how the situation unfolded.   Trumps views have been shown to be incorrect multiple times , lies or not.

including putting their anger and hatred before the country and to try to silence any opposition, yep and Trump goes top that list

Just because Trump personally saw it that way doesn't mean he was lying from his perspective, he could very believe what he heard and saw, if so, then he wasn't lying.

Bingo.

It haunts me still but I saw Santa. There was no way, from my youthful perspective, that it was a man pretending to be Santa. From my perspective - it was Santa.

Leprechauns, the tooth fairy, the Loch Ness Monster. It's true... all of it.

And from the way I see it; Time are putting me on the cover of next year's "person of the year". I'm not lying. Just adjusting perspectives, alternative facts and so on.

The TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome) among some commentators here is hilarious. Scott Adams points out that we should have sympathy... their whole world-view has been shattered, and they try to re-adjust. Still believing the corrupt corporate media does not help though...

If being deranged means being concerned about a racist sexual predator who lies to the whole world (and himself) on a daily basis... then I'm a fully paid up member.

After all, we now live in bizarro world, so why not?

If the media really is that far gone and Breitbart, InfoWars, conspiracy theory sites et al are the true saviours of journalism, then I subscribe to EMIT magazine.

It doesn't impact national security, it just gives a black eye to a group of regular Americans. OK lie or not OK lie?

Kinda like trying to say that white Americans who support Trump are racist white supremacists or Nazis? Like that kind of black eye? Ok to lie about that? shouldnt be, you should have to prove such designations not just throw them out there carelessly.

As far as the Muslim comment, I just call it an 'error'. Just like the Time magazine guy who lied about the MLK bust. Just an error, liberals said. He thought the bust wasnt there but it really was....so Trump thought he saw Muslims cheering 9/11 or thought he read something about it, but didnt. Just an 'ERROR'. A careless comment that he didnt bother to confirm with anyone else, just like the Time reporter.

 Do you think part of the reason Trump and other politicians lie so much is because of people like you gave up on calling them out for it?

No, this was well before my time that 'wont lie' was expected for a politician. The last little bit of pretense that lies are not acceptable was Bill Clinton on live TV about Monica. That is another example to me where I didnt care that he lied in that case. It didnt hurt anything other than himself so I didnt call him out for it or think badly of him for trying.

Or Bush and some of the WMD things, or Obama and his 'you can keep your doctor' lie.

Heard Time magazine is being sold, I wonder if that will have any impact on the selection. I wonder can 'Sexual assault allegations' be Person of the Year? that has been really impactful this year for sure.

Trump has no idea himself what is truth and what is lies. And he doesn't care. Just excretes what is in his "brain" at any given point. Apart from those who believe literally anything he says, including a few on this site, nobody on earth believes anything he says. And for very good reason.

So its DSA rather than USA; the commies went down in the 90ths; even CN became money adoring and now we are looking for Babylon of modern times.

Despite all the techs achieved?

Yeah, I turned it down last year because the Emperor asked me to take over for a while.....not surprised the Donald would do the same, after all. He's a much better man than any of us.

So its DSA rather than USA; the commies went down in the 90ths; even CN became money adoring and now we are looking for Babylon of modern times.

Despite all the techs achieved?

Ummm. What?

WilliBNov. 27  05:02 pm JST

The TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome) among some commentators here is hilarious. Scott Adams points out that we should have sympathy... 

I can only assume you disagree about having some sympathy as you just described it as "hilarious."