Trump says he wants to negotiate about Ukraine. It's not clear if Putin really does

Trump says he wants to negotiate about Ukraine. It's not clear if Putin really does.

I've been saying this all along folks.

Putin has not been brought to the negotiating table. Only weapons can make it happen.

Trump will get it done without firing a single shot.

bass4funkToday 06:38 am JST

Trump will get it done without firing a single shot.

By magic, right?

bass4funkToday 06:38 am JST

Trump will get it done without firing a single shot.

Technically, sending massive amounts of weapons would end the war without more than a few more shots being fired.

By magic, right?

By continued negotiations

Technically, sending massive amounts of weapons would end the war

No it would not, it would only hasten Ukraine’s already impending doom. They won’t get so much aid from this administration, let alone congress, so the talks will continue as they should.

bass4funkToday 06:49 am JST

By magic, right?

By continued negotiations

Trump hasn't even been able to start negotiations.

Technically, sending massive amounts of weapons would end the war

No it would not, it would only hasten Ukraine’s already impending doom.

Logic dictates otherwise: deterrence has always been the way to throw back an invader.

They won’t get so much aid from this administration, let alone congress, so the talks will continue as they should.

We don't know what the level of aid will be and congress will do whatever King MAGA says. And again, talks haven't started.

bass4funk

Trump will get it done without firing a single shot.

Biden didn't fire a shot either.

Trump is an insecure weak person, who is a chronic loser,who always got to his next loss

Putin has always wanted to negotiate for peace. But now he will only do it on his terms and with guarantees. He will not get fooled again, like when Ukraine and the west back out of previous agreements.

Biden didn't fire a shot either.

And Biden didn’t try to stop the conflict either

The only thing Donald wants is those masses of rare earths in Ukraine.

Problem: they are mainly located in the areas illegally occupied by Putain.

And because Donald wants to be buddy-buddy with that dictator in the Kremlin, guess what he will do.

Give Putain what he wants (Ukraine) in exchange for what he (Donald and Elon as well as some of those other oligarchs in the US) wants. Remember, Elon is running the shadow cabinet and needs those precious "minerals" more than anything else for his "state-sponsored" space programs and so on.

Trump hasn't even been able to start negotiations.

They will come, not when you or I want them happen. 

Logic dictates otherwise: deterrence has always been the way to throw back an invader.

But Zelenskyy won’t get that much from the U.S., so you can get mad all you want, just like Trump promised to deport illegals, he promised that aid to Ukraine will be very, very limited and only under certain met conditions.

We don't know what the level of aid will be and congress will do whatever King MAGA says. And again, talks haven't started.

Again, Zelenskyy will not get a blank check anymore, that’s a promise from Trump, Johnson and Thune.

Wick's pencil

Putin has always wanted to negotiate for peace. But now he will only do it on his terms and with guarantees.

Zelensky has always wanted to negotiate for peace. But now he will only do it on his terms and with guarantees.

He will not get fooled again, like when Ukraine and the west back out of previous agreements.

He will not get fooled again, like when Russia and the went back out of previous agreements.

The only thing Donald wants is those masses of rare earths in Ukraine.

Absolutely, and why not? With all the tax dollars spent against the wishes of the public, we deserve and need get something to show for it.

Problem: they are mainly located in the areas illegally occupied by Putain.

No problem, that can be negotiated, we do trade with Russia as well.

And because Donald wants to be buddy-buddy with that dictator in the Kremlin, guess what he will do.

Not buddy, but we all need to have a mutual understanding and know our boundaries.

Give Putain what he wants (Ukraine) in exchange for what he (Donald and Elon as well as some of those other oligarchs in the US) wants. Remember,

Here we go….

Elon is running the shadow cabinet

He is doing no such thing, he’s advising the President and Trump has the absolute and constitutional authority to appoint him as such.

and needs those precious "minerals" more than anything else for his "state-sponsored" space programs and so on.

You’re just speculating, but let’s say that were true, it would make perfect sense to want to acquire them

Finally, we have a leader in Trump who can handle this matter.

Russia never invaded Ukraine under the first Trump administration, but invaded twice while Biden was in office.

I really don't think that Trump can convince Putin to get all of his troops out of Ukraine and go back to the way it was before the invasion. Let's not forget that it was Putin and his troops that illegally invaded. It's as if the U.S. decided to invade Canada: Do you actually think Canadians would accept anything less than a full pull-out of U.S. troops? Accepting anything less would set a dangerous precedent.

iknowall

Russia never invaded Ukraine under the first Trump administration,

It did. The Kerch Strait incident happened when Trump was president.

It did. The Kerch Strait incident happened when Trump was president.

Proving Russia never invaded Ukraine under Trump's administration by acknowledging an incident at sea (which involved Ukraine ships entering Russian waters).

So at least we agree.

Finally, we have a leader in Trump who can handle this matter.

He said he would do it day one. He didn't. So he already failed.

Trump will take care of this too, nothing to worry about.

Past present US governments are in no position, have no mandate to negotiate on behalf of the Ukraine government, its people.

Where is Europe!!!!!!?????

Where is the WW2 solidarity, the sacrifice to challenge confront the despot dictator Putin??

Still suckling on Putin fossil fuels, pipeline, sea freighter "teats" whilst wallowing in fork tongued weasel words of toxic fudge self interest.

Financing Putin invasion.

This cowardly EU/UK shower of betrayal is a godforsaken shame on the million of lives sacrificed for the freedoms so recklessly taken for granted.

Trump will take care of this too, nothing to worry about.

Exactly.

Wick's pencilToday 07:19 am JST

Putin has always wanted to negotiate for peace. But now he will only do it on his terms and with guarantees. He will not get fooled again, like when Ukraine and the west back out of previous agreements.

Putin violated Minsk 2 by not withdrawing his forces.

bass4funkToday 07:26 am JST

Logic dictates otherwise: deterrence has always been the way to throw back an invader.

But Zelenskyy won’t get that much from the U.S., so you can get mad all you want, just like Trump promised to deport illegals, he promised that aid to Ukraine will be very, very limited and only under certain met conditions.

Sounds like you're mad that the weapons will continue to flow. Trump is smart enough to understand he will have a big L on is record if Ukraine goes down.

We don't know what the level of aid will be and congress will do whatever King MAGA says. And again, talks haven't started.

Again, Zelenskyy will not get a blank check anymore, that’s a promise from Trump, Johnson and Thune.

We've seen what Trump promises are worth and the other two have no spine.

The only thing Donald wants is those masses of rare earths in Ukraine.

Absolutely, and why not? With all the tax dollars spent against the wishes of the public, we deserve and need get something to show for it.

So how will King MAGA get that? Make a deal with Putin?

Problem: they are mainly located in the areas illegally occupied by Putain.

No problem, that can be negotiated, we do trade with Russia as well.

And because Donald wants to be buddy-buddy with that dictator in the Kremlin, guess what he will do.

Not buddy, but we all need to have a mutual understanding and know our boundaries.

Sounds like you hope for buddy-buddy with russia but Trump doesn't want that L.

Elon is running the shadow cabinet

He is doing no such thing, he’s advising the President and Trump has the absolute and constitutional authority to appoint him as such.

Trump should not be doing such asinine things as waving background checks.

Trump is an insecure weak person

Name current some strong World leaders and then we can see your definition of what your ideal is.

iknowallToday 07:39 am JST

Finally, we have a leader in Trump who can handle this matter.

Russia never invaded Ukraine under the first Trump administration, but invaded twice while Biden was in office.

Where is the negotiation? Talk. Is. Cheap.

BlacklabelToday 08:20 am JST

do you mean he will allow Putin to retain the lands he has taken from Ukraine, or will Ukraine be made whole again? If it is the first option who would agree to that?

you don’t have to “agree” to that, it’s what happens when you engage in war and lose.

Trump's fate is tied to Ukraine's fate now.

The only thing Donald wants is those masses of rare earths in Ukraine.

Zelensky: that’s fair. Absolutely.

Trump is a criminal and a fascist, Just the other day share the stage and promoted an Internationally wanted war criminal and spoke of wanting to ethic cleanse the population of 2 million citizen of Gaza. Why would and how could Putin negotiate with a demented egotistical maniac?? but it still the longest 24 hour in history for negotiating

Trump's fate is tied to Ukraine's fate now.

ukraine is like a vanity side project for a quiet moment.

wasnt even in Top 20 reasons we re-elected Trump.

it’s what happens when you engage in war and lose.

Yeah and why should Israel get its hostages back? It's what happens when you "engage" in terrorism and lose! (....what?!)

it’s what happens when you engage in war and lose.

Sounds like you’re suggesting that Ukraine should have surrendered on day one of the invasion.

Because in your mind, might means right.

wasnt even in Top 20 reasons we re-elected Trump.

But Greenland, Canada, Panama, and Gaza were?

Zelensky gave another interview to Reuters. He gives someone an interview every day. "Here, there are manganese ores, titanium, iron," Zelensky showed Reuters a map of the very rare earth metals in Ukraine that Trump is talking about. "If we're talking about the United States of America, then let's make money together, we'll be happy to make money with those who protect us." Nevertheless, Trump said that Ukrainian mineral resources should be counted for the weapons already supplied. Therefore, no one will let Ukraine earn money. It's a trick, falsehood.

talk about a Blitzkrieg!!

Nice word choice there.

Nevertheless, Trump said that Ukrainian mineral resources should be counted for the weapons already supplied.

they should be, until we are paid back.

lots of posters here when questioned about the 100 billion+ we gave Ukraine said “it’s just a loan!”.

was it?

Trump said that Ukrainian mineral resources should be counted for the weapons already supplied. Therefore, no one will let Ukraine earn money. It's a trick, falsehood.

I think Trump is absolutely right on this one.

First Person

An Astonishingly Frank Self-Portrait by Russia's President Vladimir Putin

https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/first/p/putin-first.html

Read Vladimir Putin .......

Then compare Our Journey Together : Trump, Donald J.

https://www.amazon.co.jp/-/en/Donald-J-Trump/dp/173550372X

Under estimate Vladimir Putin resolve, his relentless ruthless rise, his insistence that past soviet values ideology can revitalise the old school USSR block.

Article by Vladimir Putin ”On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians“

http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/66181

I content this disparate moment in European history cannot be left to any US government.

Never be left to the whims of Donald Trumps mistaken self belief that he can pull one over on Russia's President Vladimir Putin.

I however believe Donald Trump presidency is an absolute necessity.

To pull global foolish liberal complacency, its duplicitous self indulgent lie, the falsehood of a "faux liberal" a brand of social justice masquerading as socialism.

Is in fact a toxic elitism drowning in a sea of globalist gluttony.

To date, we have provided $65.9 billion in military assistance since Russia launched its premeditated, unprovoked, and brutal full-scale invasion of Ukraine on February 24, 2022, and approximately $69.2 billion in military assistance since Russia's initial invasion of Ukraine in 2014.

US State Dept.

Not enough to even get in the door of rare earth minerals.

and because Putin has unleashed the harshest crackdown on dissent since Soviet times, he faces no domestic pressure to end the war.

This is a misconception due to the absolute ignorance on the mentality of Russian people. You can say anything about Russia: corruption, theft in the highest echelons of power, nepotism....But not the "harshest crackdown on dissent". On the contrary, if the Russian people express dissatisfaction with the president, it is only because he does not pursue his foreign policy strictly enough and is too loyal to internal enemies.

You have confused blatant lies about the Russian situation with criticism of the actions of the authorities. These are two different things.

Well, if history is any judge, we'll see Trump and Putin together holding hands and back-slapping each other - then Trump will announce that all the Ukrainians should leave the country, and the US and Russia will "take it over" and turn it into a casino, with Putin a partner of course....

And the surpassing thing is, that's not a joke...

Not enough to even get in the door of rare earth minerals.

enough to get 69.2 billion in rare earth minerals in return.

..But not the "harshest crackdown on dissent"

I think Navalny and dozens of other now deceased dissenters would beg to differ (if they weren't dead).

enough to get 69.2 billion in rare earth minerals in return.

Bingo and that’s what it’s all about.

The only negotiation should be between Putain and Zelenskyy , and it should be a pretty short conversation.

Z: "Are you going to get out of our country?"

P: "No"

Z: "OK, then we're going to keep resisting you, bombing your oil fields, and so on, until you do. Bye!"

Z: "OK, then we're going to keep resisting you, bombing your oil fields, and so on, until you do. Bye!"

As long as Europe supplies them with money and arms, go for it. Let them hash it out.

As long as Europe supplies them with money and arms, go for it. Let them hash it out.

Well, someone has to step up and show global leadership. Sure as hell ain't us anymore.

But it’s quite better for Ukraine to negotiate now rather they waiting for Europe to lose interest she also stop funding and arming them.

They have nothing to bargain with if they are broke, out of weapons and their minerals are already under control of Russia.

BlacklabelToday 08:27 am JST

Trump's fate is tied to Ukraine's fate now.

ukraine is like a vanity side project for a quiet moment.

wasnt even in Top 20 reasons we re-elected Trump.

That's not what your fellow MAGA here says. In any event, history will decide the importance of losing or retaining a huge amount of the Black Sea coast line.

Well, someone has to step up and show global leadership. Sure as hell ain't us anymore.

And Europe should do that, you have my uttermost respect and support

As we all know the United States played a key role in generating and perpetuating this terrible conflict in Ukraine since the Bucharest Nato meeting in 2008: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0epyHOz-Pbs

Now they are desperate to manipulate the narrative trying to spread disinformation about the real intensions of Putin, who demonstrated his willingness to talk to an elected leader, not to dictator Zelensky who stayed in power despite his term has already expired.

The majority of Ukrainians want peace negotiations to start, but the big US industrial military complex is not done with their profits in Wall Street, and still pressures the Kyiv regime to send its 18 year old kids to the frontlines.

Without giving up sizable chunks of Ukraine to Russia, Putin will continue his illegal invasion.

The best course to take is to continue arming the Ukrainians to the teeth, just as the U.S. did for Afghan fighters when Russia invaded Afghanistan.

Unfortunately there is no major leader of any major country in Europe that has any inkling of how to handle Russia. Severe weakness from the UK to Germany.

Putin knows Trump wants to make a quick deal (to make himself look good), and is holding out to get the maximum concessions hoping Trump will force Ukraine into a bad deal. But time is no longer on Putin's side. The longer this war goes on the worse things are getting for Russia millitarily and economically. They have exhausted their equipment and now are having serious trouble recruiting people. Their losses are horrendous and meat-wave attacks suicidal. They can't even eject the Ukranians from Kursk. Meanwhile the Ukranians defence is getting stronger and they are continually supplied.

Smart move by Zelenskyy to praise Trump and offer minerals. Trump is motvated by flattery and money.

Wow Fos. Right out off Russian propaganda;

The West/NATO is to blame - not Putin's attempt at toppling Ukraine's govt and brutal subjugation.

Zelenskyy is illigitimate - even though their constitution forbids elections during wartime (like Britain in WW2)

Keiv is being forced by Wall St/ West to fight - no they are not! They fight for their freedom - minimum age 25!

If you are on Russia's side you need your head checked.

“Putin hopes Trump will “get bored” or distracted with another issue”

It’s very likely. Probably something about shower pressure or Bette Midler.

“Putin hopes Trump will “get bored” or distracted with another issue”

It’s very likely. Probably something about shower pressure or Bette Midler.

Who?

FosToday 09:37 am JST

As we all know the United States played a key role in generating and perpetuating this terrible conflict in Ukraine since the Bucharest Nato meeting in 2008:

Nope, Still Putin's War.

iknowall

It did. The Kerch Strait incident happened when Trump was president.

Proving Russia never invaded Ukraine under Trump's administration by acknowledging an incident at sea (which involved Ukraine ships entering Russian waters).

An invasion on the Ukraine navy is an invasion of Ukraine.

So at least we agree.

That Ukraine was invaded under Trump.

Megan Thee StallionToday 09:56 am JST

Nearly three years after President Vladimir Putin invaded Ukraine, his troops are making steady progress on the battlefield. Kyiv is grappling with shortages of men and weapons

Biden was tellin us Ukraine can win. He and his staffers lied to US public and we spent hundreds of billions that we coulda spent at home on Americans needing help.

The population of NATO is nearly 7x that of russia. There should have been every possibility of victory but MAGAs slow-walked the aid in 2023 and here we are.

I think Navalny and dozens of other now deceased dissenters would beg to differ (if they weren't dead).

Navalny and others like him should not be romanticized. While he was just criticizing, he was free. And when he began to publicly call for the overthrow of the government, he was juged. By the way, who else among the dozens do you know? I'm just curious who else you know.

And another question: Is Russia the only country in which calling for the overthrow of power is punishable?

Is calling on children and teenagers to go to the streets and speak out against the government such an innocent fun? You probably don't know this question the way it really was. Most likely at the level of "hardly likely"