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Trump says Iran made 'big mistake' by shooting down U.S. drone

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They've done so many times covertly, thanks to the Mossad.

Your knowledge of Mossad activities is bottom rock zero. Same as the CIA. Mossad are not an army that could invade a country the size of Iran, nor could the Israeli and Saudi militaries.

Netanyahu is restrained by Israeli laws until he wins another general election and forms some kind of minority government which remains very difficult for his party. The opposition won almost the same votes last time. Netanyahu's wife became a convicted criminal, he was powerless to prevent that.

There's a carrier fleet but not your fantasy of some giant armada? Gross overstatements

You must be a Boltonist keen on starting a war because you never got over the 1979 hostage crisis.

A war can't be won by air alone. It was so easy for Iran to take the super advanced drone out, the same will happen with your warplanes if they attack. Some will not come back.

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But America started the Iraq and Afghan wars based solely on false intelligence on WMD.

A lot of intelligence agencies from various countries that shared it came to the wrong conclusion, not solely the US.

The war in Iraq was even necessary. America bombed the hell out of the place sending it back to the Stone Age

And we got Saddam and No one misses the butcher or Baghdad.

and the reason the ISS formed.

No, the real reason

President George W. Bush, at the end of his Presidency, warned America of the risk of withdrawing precipitously from Iraq. Nevertheless, the United States military forces, under the direction of then President Obama, quickly started a withdrawal from Iraq that was completed in 2011. Not coincidentally, by April of 2013, the Islamic State of Iraq had united with al-Nusra Front to form Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS).

We would never ask their permission. When we kicked out Huwai, we didn’t ask them either.

You are very confused if you think America could never drop atomic weapons on Iran or for that matter NK or any other country what so ever. The purpose of atomic weapons is not to use them. Maybe your country could get Israel to use their atomic bombs but it would also be the end of that country too.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasdelbeccaro/2017/02/16/are-the-democrats-helping-isis-recruit/#13dd0d1526ff

Netanyahu is only a PM without any real power until a new election is decided.

Uh-huh...lol...keep telling yourself that.

How do you thinkSaudi and Israel would back you? Their hands are tied tight. Troops in Saudi. 

They've done so many times covertly, thanks to the Mossad.

Iran has advance missile systems capable of striking both Saudi and Israel and even America.

The US has a giant armada, air and sea, the Iranians wouldn’t last a week if the US were to unleash its maximum full might. I hope it doesn’t get to that, but even many of their military experts know, even China knows that’s why it won’t take the US on head to head for now at least.

It would be impossible for America to wage a war against Iran.

I completely disagree.

At least Trump is starting to understand that.

No, he said, verbatim: “killing 150 Iranians over a downed drone is not worth the bloodshed.” That is what he has come to realize.

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trump still do not understand , what he is up against.

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Huawei is still in America, and Trump stated they can be included in trade talks with the Chinese.

A huge threat.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-19/google-to-end-some-huawei-business-ties-after-trump-crackdown

you might be suffering from delusions of grandeur. *

Please tell that to the struggling Democrats that can’t seam to move ahead with their policies...what policies or removing this President for office. Lol

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Huawei is still in America, and Trump stated they can be included in trade talks with the Chinese. Not such a big threat then?

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bass4funk: "Sad, but war is very ugly. 2nd WW and the 1st many innocent civilians died as well.''

Well, I have to admit that bass4funk is a brave and gallant KEYBOARD warrior.  How many tours of duty did you do in Vietnam, in Afghanistan, in Iraq. Your a true warrior; American, non-American, military or civilian lives mean nothing to you- go get them man! You must be a 5 star general by now with all your military knowledge. Alternatively, you might be suffering from delusions of grandeur. Go get the cowboy.

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Sad, but war is very ugly. 2nd WW and the 1st many innocent civilians died as well.

From your corner though its all very different. WW2 was started by Nazi Germany and Imperialist Japan. We only fought to take back the freedoms lost.

But America started the Iraq and Afghan wars based solely on false intelligence on WMD.

The war in Iraq was even necessary. America bombed the hell out of the place sending it back to the stone age and the reason the ISS formed.

We would never ask their permission. When we kicked out Huwai, we didn’t ask them either.

You are very confused if you think America could never drop atomic weapons on Iran or for that matter NK or any other country what so ever. The purpose of atomic weapons is not to use them. Maybe your country could get Israel to use their atomic bombs but it would also be the end of that country too.

Ok and? He’s still PM.

Netanyahu is only a PM without any real power until a new election is decided. He does not even have the support of the majority of Israeli people. That's why he could only erect a Trump board on the Golan. Anymore more be illegal at this stage. His wife is a criminal and he may be too soon and thrown into prison like the previous PM.

How do you thinkSaudi and Israel would back you? Their hands are tied tight. Troops in Saudi.

Iran has advance missile systems capable of striking both Saudi and Israel and even America.

It would be impossible for America to wage a war against Iran. At least Trump is starting to understand that.

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How does that compare with the more than 800,000 civilians killed by the American military? Those civilians included women and young children.

Sad, but war is very ugly. 2nd WW and the 1st many innocent civilians died as well.

You think Russia and probably even China would allow America to use nuclear weapons

We would never ask their permission. When we kicked out Huwai, we didn’t ask them either.

Your thinking just went into fuzzy logic mode.*

That would be liberals that’s whey they don’t have the WH.

Its Netanyahu who's pushing Trump into war against Iran but he's now having to deal with his own failure to form a government and his deepstate criminal investigations which only last week caused his own wife to become a convicted criminal.

Ok and? He’s still PM.

Netanyahu did manage a Trump board for a new illegal settlement on the Golan Heights. Trump thought he was getting another Tower not just a board.

Anyway, Israel and the Saudis would back us.

Zero war support form both Congress and the UN.

Clinton didn’t care in Kosovo.

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The U.S. military has revealed it believes Iran has helped kill 608 U.S. troops in Iraq since 2003, according to newly revealed and formerly-classified numbers. 

How does that compare with the more than 800,000 civilians killed by the American military? Those civilians included women and young children. People who never fired a single shot against American. The country was bombed back to the stone ages.

Same happened in Afghan.

All that senseless killing and destruction based on false intelligence and which ended up costing the country $6 trillion. More than 25% of the total current National Debt. $900 billion went missing in Afghanistan.

Nukes can solve that problem as well as bunker busters and an entire armada of corrosive weaponry we have where we could incinerate the place, wouldn’t be easy, but would not be impossible.

You think Russia and probably even China would allow America to use nuclear weapons against Iran when it's protesting that Iran should not be allowed to have them. Your thinking just went into fuzzy logic mode.

We will be backed by Israel and the Saudis

Its Netanyahu who's pushing Trump into war against Iran but he's now having to deal with his own failure to form a government and his deepstate criminal investigations which only last week caused his own wife to become a convicted criminal. Netanyahu did manage a Trump board for a new illegal settlement on the Golan Heights. Trump thought he was getting another Tower not just a board.

Zero war support form both Congress and the UN.

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Bingo!

actually that sounds like a reply youd get from Hannity on Faux news

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The current occupant of the White House takes his orders from a so-called ally and friend in the region, at the detriment and expense of the United States of America.

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Trump: They shot our drone down by accident.

Iran: No, we meant to shoot that sht down you big P, what are you going to do about it?

Trump: I'm going to tweet a stern disapproval.

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Send Iran the bill, though. That’s an expensive piece of hardware.

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i do credit Trump for making the right call in the end and NOT going through with the strike.

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A senior Trump administration official says the drone was in international waters while the Iranians say it was in their territorial waters. I'll have to go with our sources over Iran here. Trump is showing incredible restraint in calling off strikes against Iran in exchange for talks.

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Several warmongers in the current administration, following instructions from the so-called ally and friend in the Middle East, are doing the same as in the George W (Weapons of Mass Deception) Bush’s mindless war of choice on Iraq.

Another proxy war for the benefit of I——l at the detriment and expense of We the People of the United States of America.

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Identified the drone as an RQ-4A Global Hawk, a $220 million UAV that acts as a massive surveillance platform in the sky

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I find it hard to believe it was intentional, if you want to know the truth," Trump said. "I think that it could have been somebody who was loose and stupid that did it."

> At no time does he mention a country by name, could he be talking about America

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Shambolic. Not striking Iran after all was the right call. Not appearing weak by having an administration that leaks like sieve that there was a strike that was called off, even better. And, even better than that having a plan beyond just stepping out of working deal because “Obama”. These nitwits are just as likely to bumble into another war in the ME.

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Kestrel:

Its like watching CNN.

Yes, looking at the readers section here certainly is. Kind of amazing to see how many believers are out there.

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A "big" mistake, but not "big" enough to do anything about it. It was not a "yuuuuge" mistake.

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cleo thinks Trump answers to Netanyahu. He doesn't. He makes decisions based on what's good for the American people, as he was elected to do, unlike virtually every other president.

Too bad there is no evidence to support this assertion.

Oh, but there is! Any new wars yet? Nope. Are we on our way out of Syria? Yep. Is the economy in good shape? Yep.

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The US continues to send drones that continue to be shot down.

Wake up, they're dummy drones.

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@fizzbit The difference being Kennedy had a clue.

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Like Scott Adams likes to point out, we are sitting in the same theater and are watching different movies on the same screen.

Have you ever listened to an interview with him? Because it's clear when he talks that he isn't watching the same movie you guys are.

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US warmongering is not going to change until we make our government responsible to us rather than Washington.

Not a single bomb fell, what warmongering are you talking about? You’re jumping waaaay ahead of yourself. ROFL!

Again, we need to take control of our politicians, we need politicians that will put our nation first and not America First,

That’s why we elected Trump.

we need politicians with a backbone. PEOPLE POWER

That’s why we want Trump for a second term.

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"Those in favor of a military response reportedly included Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, national security adviser John R. Bolton and CIA director Gina Haspel"

Reminds me of Kennedy’s Cuba moment.

All my speculation, maybe Trump purposely let himself get dragged into this so now he can purge the warmongers, or, maybe he talked to Tucker Carlson who’s been against the whole Iranian ramp up, or, this is bread and circuses to keep the sides fighting, hating, and trolling to keep their eyes off of the elephant in the room, Central Bankers.

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Nothing except reduce the capacity and levels of Irans uranium enrichment and got inspectors into their facilities.

Limited, yes.

Didn't think that one through, did you?

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No one, not even Bolton is making a case for war. '

Gosh...., .that would be the joke of the day if this wasnt so serious.

You do know US retaliatory strike was called off at the last minute...despite Bolton and his neocon buddy gang pushing for it ( just as zichi just posted above ) .

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"President 'approved military strike against Iran in retaliation for downing US drone but PULLED BACK last minute - against the advice of aides - as planes were in air and battleships in position'"

Donny's bumbled usinto this situation and his incompetence is only exacerbating it. What a complete and utter moron.

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"President 'approved military strike against Iran in retaliation for downing US drone but PULLED BACK last minute - against the advice of aides - as planes were in air and battleships in position'"

"Those in favor of a military response reportedly included Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, national security adviser John R. Bolton and CIA director Gina Haspel"

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The Iran Iraq war lasted for eight years, beginning on 22 September 1980, when Iraq invaded Iran, and ending on 20 August 1988, when Iran accepted the UN-brokered ceasefire.

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The problem with a war with Iran is that the US will fight a conventional war, bombing raids,missiel launches etc, but Iran will reply back through attacks in Iraq and even Saudi Arabia.

Dumb Bush finally gave Iran, what they had fought for and lost hundred and thousands of people for, an active involvement and influence in Iraq.

Dumb Trump, led by his warmongering advisors, is making it even worse.

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cleo thinks Trump answers to Netanyahu. He doesn't. He makes decisions based on what's good for the American people, as he was elected to do, unlike virtually every other president.

Too bad there is no evidence to support this assertion.

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As opposed to Obama and company who did nothing .

Nothing except reduce the capacity and levels of Irans uranium enrichment and got inspectors into their facilities. Didn't think that one through, did you?

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"Big mistake," like the one Trump made when he unilaterally withdrew from Obama's denuclearization treaty with Iran, unneccessarily imposed trading restrictions, and told the world that they are not allowed to buy Iranian oil? That kind of "big mistake?"

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"Loose and stupid" ???

This is Trump in a nutshell. It makes you wonder if he was looking at a reflection of himself when he made that remark.

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@Serrano

cleo thinks Trump answers to Netanyahu. He doesn't. He makes decisions based on what's good for the American people, as he was elected to do, unlike virtually every other president.

No, Dump answers to Puuti kins!

Putin warns US over Iran in annual call-in show

https://abc7news.com/putin-warns-us-over-iran-in-annual-call-in-show/5356312/

Then this:

Trump OK’d Strikes on Iran but Called Them Off Abruptly When Planes Were Already in the Air

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-ok-d-strikes-iran-032532590.html

Now Puuti kins needs to see Dump in person for more instructions in Japan!

Russia's Putin says ready to hold talks with Donald Trump

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/russias-putin-says-ready-hold-125031438.html

LOL! The US currently has a weak incompetent leader!

And the Republicons are selling out the US for personal gain, so they really don't care.

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So, the republicans are the warmongering party. No wonder the arms manufacturers donate money.

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Chip StarToday 07:00 am JST

More appeasement of and capitulation to Iran. Donny sure is good at backing down to dictators.

As opposed to Obama and company who did nothing .

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@Sh1mon its not Iran that is causing the problems its the US in case you didn't realize....So sometimes with we need to put things in simple terms...I am trying to be polite here so here we go....If my dog came and did his stuff on your front step and I said it was your fault that doesn't make any sense now does it...so Merica has their warships off Irans coast and drones flying around also just scrapped a nuclear deal and trying desperately to cripple their economy me thunks America is the instigator here....instigator/ˈɪnstɪɡeɪtə/noun a person who brings about or initiates something.

Well i hope that has brought some new light on the subject for you and in advance your welcome.

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Sh1monM4sada .....

wrong answer! Just check this latest news on Yahoo!

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/president-trump-ordered-military-strike-iran-reversed-last-033400920.html

Nothing for now, since some people "over there seem to have at least a little bit of brain left.

But who knows what's gonna happen next.

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Democrat and republican, which party has started the wars this century?

The Deep State globalists, both republican and Democrat.

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Good job, Iran!

The millions of people negatively impacted by the Iranian Islamic regime's actions would disagree.

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The US continues to send drones that continue to be shot down.

There is a steep learning curve-obviously.

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If they're making the case for war or military action, they certainly do need to make the case to the people who will be paying for it, both in hard cash (taxes) and in blood.

No one, not even Bolton is making a case for war. Trump's stance has always been 'maximum pressure' using sanctions. But of course, all the conspiracy people can't believe that and relies instead on fictions, like above^^^.

Seriously, why go to war when sanctions is showing sign of success already, ie the Iranians are rattled, and reacting...

Keep it up USA, ramp it up, to include more categories, and scrutinize every inch of Iran, every thing that move, to ensure tge sanctions are enforced.

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If they're making the case for war or military action, they certainly do need to make the case to the people who will be paying for it, both in hard cash (taxes) and in blood. Not to mention the rest of the world, whose lives/business/safety would all be affected by yet more US aggression on the world stage.

You're funny too, Trump is playing down the incident, was voted in on a platform of withdrawing from war in the middle east, and you came up with this^^^.

It's not funny you reference the rest of the world though, it then affects me. Have a read of what Iran wants to do to the rest of the world, in their own words.

https://www.rferl.org/a/iran_strait_of_hormuz/24421087.html

"If the world wants to make the region insecure, we will make the world insecure."

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Again, we need to take control of our politicians, we need politicians that will put our nation first and not America First, we need politicians with a backbone. PEOPLE POWER.

You're hilarious...

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if they released it, it would be public

The Iranian have released it, the US has released it, now they're both arguing about whether it's Iranian airspace or not. It's in all the TV reports, maps n all....looks to me like the Iranian is claiming international waters as part of their territory.

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Oh , a convenient memory loss huh.. ...

You quoted me, but won't include everything I wrote? I said 'recent times', much has occurred in agreements, laws, etc. since to avoid a repeat.

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US warmongering is not going to change until we make our government responsible to us rather than Washington. Again, we need to take control of our politicians, we need politicians that will put our nation first and not America First, we need politicians with a backbone. PEOPLE POWER.

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The never-ending friction between Iran and the USA can be traced back following the money to Israel, not to mention "our" oil.

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Good job, Iran!

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I wonder how the US would react if Iran were flying spy drones a hair's-breath off the US coast?

They could try, but that would require something high tech.

Democrat and republican, which party has started the wars this century?

Which party has been more appeasing and cowardly?

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Democrat and republican, which party has started the wars this century?

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waste of American people's tax for Chicken Fight

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Asked about a U.S. response, the president said pointedly, "You'll find out."

Translation: I don't know, Bibi hasn't told me yet.

cleo thinks Trump answers to Netanyahu. He doesn't. He makes decisions based on what's good for the American people, as he was elected to do, unlike virtually every other president.

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There you have it, ladies and gentlemen. No matter what Trump does, it's right,according to Trumplets...all fixed on your bike now..

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The US could release the full flight path of the drone, accompanied by the video feed from the drone. 

They might have done that, maybe not made publicly to us, but you don’t know if they did or didn’t.

Erm, if they released it, it would be public (if you only share something with your closest friends, that isn't 'releasing' it). The fact that we don't know means that the flight path of the drone has not been released.

Whoa, stop press - it appears the flight path, or at least a dinky little video purporting to show the flight path, has been released.

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/trump-responds-to-iran-drone-attack-iran-made-a-very-big-mistake-1.7396925

I wonder how the US would react if Iran were flying spy drones a hair's-breath off the US coast?

they don’t have the make the case to us ordinary people.

Supposed Land of the Free, and there you are submissively tugging your forelock to the bosses. Pathetic.

If they're making the case for war or military action, they certainly do need to make the case to the people who will be paying for it, both in hard cash (taxes) and in blood. Not to mention the rest of the world, whose lives/business/safety would all be affected by yet more US aggression on the world stage.

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And there you have it, ladies and gentlemen. No matter what Trump does, it's wrong, according to Chip Star. 

If Trump had ordered an attack on an Iranian target Chip Star would be calling him a warmonger.

You guys sure don't like it when liberals take pages out of your playbook.

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Most important, this drone was a prototype, so expendable, it had its transponder OFF so Iran had a right to suspect danger, the US has been the country escalating economic war and rhetoric, so no harm no foul. I suspect Bolton will be fired soon.

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You can send snake to my house but I have no right to kill the snake???

How funny?

was that Drone flying in USA land?

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thats only partly true, about 300 miles of new fence.

Yes! Which is quite significant and still a great distance given the fact that Nancy didn’t want to give an inch to any and the rest is being worked out, so all in all it’s coming together nicely, slowly, but nonetheless...

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One of 2 things will happen now, the US could tone this tanker and drone incident down OR they can now present us all with daily PR and tone it all up, start to squeeze Iran into a corner would work best, and let's move those War Ships closer to Iran's shores. Nothing like the smell of Napalm in the Morning..

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But it’s still being built, thank God.

thats only partly true, about 300 miles of new fence.

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Besides MH17, I can't recall in recent time of another instance of shoot first lie later

Oh , a convenient memory loss huh.. ...how about the US Navy shooting down an Iranian civilian airliner with almost 300 people on board? Thats a pretty good example..ring any bells?

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I'm pretty sure that Trump figured he'd be able to order a missile strike on Iran and get the 'very good sir, and can I suggest you aim them here' response from the Generals he got when he ordered the strike on Syria.

And then he found out that the last thing the Party of War wants is a hot war with Iran, because the hot cold war helps keep it in power, but an unmistakable defeat, which would be inevitable given that Iran is a space capable industrialized and resource rich democracy with a population that would put up with their economy going on a war footing, while Trump's base would revolt the second their MalWarts started running out of merchandise.

PS, you know who, if you're going to talk down about the Trump base, you might want to not do it when you're showing you are just as misinformed and boastful about it as they are.

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The US could release the full flight path of the drone, accompanied by the video feed from the drone.

They might have done that, maybe not made publicly to us, but you don’t know if they did or didn’t.

That would help to prove where it was when it was shot down.

I agree, but again, they don’t have the make the case to us ordinary people.

They haven't done that. Without more evidence it's impossible to believe either side.

That’s the big conundrum now isn’t it?

The Iranian has now released details of where, and even using their data, looks alot like international airspace to me.

They also said, they didn’t remove the mine devices from the ship, but were caught red-handed.

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I believe the Iranians here, it was probably shot down in Iranian airspace.

The Iranian has now released details of where, and even using their data, looks alot like international airspace to me.

So with that not fully supporting their defense, they've now said they didn't get a friendly IFF response from the drone, hence got trigger happy. Duh, enemy aircraft can't confirm friendly IFF can they? But then the Iranians probably know this too, so then they said no IFF = illegal and therefore use of force is ok.

Except international laws established last century in the Caroline case say you can only use force for self defence, and it was defined as if there is no other means, and there's immediate threat.

It's comical how they just unleashed all these communice using clueless junior ranked people (or at least I hope their senior ranks aren't this clueless).

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The US could release the full flight path of the drone, accompanied by the video feed from the drone. That would help to prove where it was when it was shot down. They haven't done that. Without more evidence it's impossible to believe either side.

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He was also elected on a platform of Building a Wall that Mexico would Pay for,

But it’s still being built, thank God.

Making America Great Again, scrapping Obamacare

Got rid of that dreaded mandate! I thought that was fantastic! A huge relief.

to replace it with Something Much Better,

Sadly at the moment, he didn’t and the Democrats didn’t come up with anything more affordable either, why would they?

and renegotiating (not scrapping) the Iran Nuclear deal.

No, he meant to scrap it entirely, thankfully.

Translation: I don't know, Bibi hasn't told me yet.

What?

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The only "big mistake" was for American voters to have elected a semi-literate pro wrestling promoter with an aversion for truth as their president.

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Asked about a U.S. response, the president said pointedly, "You'll find out."

Translation: I don't know, Bibi hasn't told me yet.

Japan just sent up fighters to escort a Russian bomber, clearly in its airspace, that is what is expected as reasonable action to defend airspace.

Japan is neither Iran nor the US, but even so, how do you 'escort' an unmanned drone the size of a 747, flying ten times higher than your manned fighter planes can manage?

I don't know where all this war conspiracy comes from.

If Iran wants to fight, that will be the official end of Iran. Never threaten the United States again!

@realDonaldTrump

Trump was elected on a platform of pulling troops out of the middle east

He was also elected on a platform of Building a Wall that Mexico would Pay for, Making America Great Again, scrapping Obamacare to replace it with Something Much Better, and renegotiating (not scrapping) the Iran Nuclear deal.

He hasn't done any of those things, either.

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You seem to have no idea why the military is stationed in various middle eastern forward bases and command. It is to ensure the free, unimpeded flow of that black stuff that keeps the world ticking and stable. But of course you don't care about that, because your posts shows you're only ever concerned with making excuses for the Iranians.

That statement is probably why you got a lot of down votes, just a guess. You need to read a bunch of General Smedley Butler's quotes and also read "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" by John Perkins and start connecting dots on US Foreign policy, believe it or not the US Foreign Policy and our interventions over seas still follow the same old policy. What always got me the most is how the US Government just loves maritime disasters to intervene in foreign governments affairs, makes the military Industrial Complex extremely rich and usually kills a lot of middle and lower class Americans in the process, mostly young men.

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There was talk a little back about the US bombing some Iranian facilities. Now, they have an excuse...

I believe the Iranians here, it was probably shot down in Iranian airspace.

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Yes, Trump certainly doesnt look like someone hellbent on war with Iran - unlike the leftys have been painting him. And your answer to his obvious resistance to start a war is to disparage him.

Its like watching CNN

Bingo!

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Chip Star: More appeasement of and capitulation to Iran. Donny sure is good at backing down to dictators.

And there you have it, ladies and gentlemen. No matter what Trump does, it's wrong, according to Chip Star.

If Trump had ordered an attack on an Iranian target Chip Star would be calling him a warmonger.

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You should be focused on what his handlers think. His habit of parroting the last person he spoke to has been observed even by his supporters.

A habit of insecure narcissists, which should be cause for concern. Bolton and his fellow warmongering chicken hawks are no doubt sitting across the table wondering aloud if Trump has any cojones. He'll start a major war just to prove them wrong.

I'm surprised it's taken this long to bait him into an insane conflict.

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well well well. this isn't some cheap plastic drone, global hawk is a strategic asset and extremely expensive.

Trump has a difficult decision to make here

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Yes, Trump certainly doesnt look like someone hellbent on war with Iran - unlike the leftys have been painting him.

Trump has no principles and no knowledge of anything of substance when it comes to policy. Listening to him speak on key issues is a tightrope walk.

Trump is a vacuum of thought other than thinking up bitchy trash on Twitter or go with a 9-iron.

You should be focused on what his handlers think. His habit of parroting the last person he spoke to has been observed even by his supporters.

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This whole thing is Trumps creation if he does go to war it will be American blood on his hands not the draft dodger would care anyhow.

11 ( +11 / -0 )

Yes, Trump certainly doesnt look like someone hellbent on war with Iran - unlike the leftys have been painting him. And your answer to his obvious resistance to start a war is to disparage him.

Donny doing screeching 180s is on him, not me. He constantly runs off at the mouth without thinking,gets us into these situations, and then does a hard u-turn. Unlike Trumpophiles, I'm not so deluded as to think he deserves any praise for this.

It's like watching amatuer hour.

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Things would be a lot better today if we let a working deal continue.

Where do you get this stuff from?

The deal was was concocted and signed in the final hours of an exiting president. Immediately after sanctions were lifted the Iranian attacks started, including on their own people.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/10/iraq-investigate-deadly-camp-liberty-rocket-attack/

Then war intensified in Syria, Lebanon, Yemen....the deal only ever served the greed of mostly German corporates and customers of Iranian oil. Yes Boeing was sprinkled in there but the point is it was never benefiting the average punter in the street, and it certainly wasn't good for the victims of conflict in the ME

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@ChipStar,

Yes, Trump certainly doesnt look like someone hellbent on war with Iran - unlike the leftys have been painting him. And your answer to his obvious resistance to start a war is to disparage him.

Its like watching CNN.

-11 ( +0 / -11 )

Well, there is precedent for aircraft being accidentally shot down in the area,...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

I wonder if this is what is coming to Trump's aging mind as he blathers, "I would imagine it was a general or somebody that made a mistake."

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Impossible to wage an American ground war in the massive sized Iran and unlike the Iraqi, the Iranians have advanced missile systems in mountain bunkers.

I don't know where all this war conspiracy comes from. Trump was elected on a platform of pulling troops out of the middle east, he has down played this attack on the drone as minor, and possibly a mistake, the commands in the gulf is saying they remain objective about the incident, ie they are there to ensure flow of oil, and enforce sanctions.

Yes, I also agree with you, Iran can certainly defend themselves, and we can't afford to cut off 30% of world oil supply (if a war break out). The pro-Iranian supporters here are either so full of conspiracy or just plain blind to anything but their own false narrative.

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The debris fell in the sea, some of which Iran is claiming to have picked up. The missile was fired from a mobile truck battery apparently, with an ability to hit targets up to 30 km high.

1 ( +1 / -0 )

Things would be a lot better today if we let a working deal continue. Now we have Iran threatening enrichment, drones being shot at, mines, aircraft carriers, troop movements. Just a lot of escalation with no real way out or way for either side to save face.

My guess is the Revolutionary Guard has decided they were justified in not trusting the US and is starting to take matters into their own hands.

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Zichi, you know the answer to that. Because of money, because the Saudis buy weapons from the US and the UK enriching both countries. At least the British courts have put a temporary stop on this.

We should also ask why Israel is allowed to act in Palestinian territory because it is pre-emptive, but Iran is not allowed to.

We should also remember that the US lies to justify its action before every invasion. Remember WMDs and the the 911 planes full of Afghanis and Iraqis, or was it Saudis.

It is interesting that so many people find the Iranian version more believable than the US version. Of course, Trump is never believable.

11 ( +13 / -2 )

Saudi and Iran, two barbaric countries who hate each other. Saudi with the help of the Americans and British have been bombing in Yemen for a long time, killing many thousands. Why do we allow that to happen but protest about Iran?

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Ok. Where did the debris fall?

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Impossible to wage an American ground war in the massive sized Iran and unlike the Iraqi, the Iranians have advanced missile systems in mountain bunkers.

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Neither of them are trustworthy on a matter like this.

Regardless of where the airspace issue lean, Iranian aggression is clear in this instance. Besides MH17, I can't recall in recent time of another instance of shoot first lie later. Japan just sent up fighters to escort a Russian bomber, clearly in its airspace, that is what is expected as reasonable action to defend airspace.

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What was wrong with the JCPOA (Iran nuclear deal)? Oh yeah, a black guy who is an actual stable genius came up with it and the white supremacist tangerine can't handle it.

Nevermind the 6 tankers, are you also ignoring all the other conflicts funded with Iranian resources (personnel, money & armaments) in various corners of the middle east, since the genius blackguy scrapped the sanctions?

Really are we trying to land a job as mercenaries for Israel and Saudi Arabia? I'm pretty sure that that is not what the men and women in the armed forces signed on for.

You seem to have no idea why the military is stationed in various middle eastern forward bases and command. It is to ensure the free, unimpeded flow of that black stuff that keeps the world ticking and stable. But of course you don't care about that, because your posts shows you're only ever concerned with making excuses for the Iranians.

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Trump is only bluffing and Iran knows this so it probably will shoot down a few more drones.

0 ( +4 / -4 )

And so it all begins. One ‘retaliation’ leading to another.

4 ( +4 / -0 )

So the Iranians with ease, took down a $180 million high altitude drone.

7 ( +12 / -5 )

It reinstated punishing sanctions following Trump's decision to pull the U.S. out of an international agreement intended to limit Iran's nuclear program in exchange for relief from earlier sanctions.

What was wrong with the JCPOA (Iran nuclear deal)? Oh yeah, a black guy who is an actual stable genius came up with it and the white supremacist tangerine can't handle it.

Really are we trying to land a job as mercenaries for Israel and Saudi Arabia? I'm pretty sure that that is not what the men and women in the armed forces signed on for.

7 ( +13 / -6 )

American says it was over international waters, Iran says ii was in Iranian air space, so who do we believe.

One of them is probably telling the truth, but I don't believe either of them. Neither of them are trustworthy on a matter like this.

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I said, he said, American says it was over international waters, Iran says ii was in Iranian air space, so who do we believe. America having a drone flying in possible disputed airspace, is not the most brightest thing to do , unless you want to try and test the waters for a conflict, Iran on the other hand ,knows if the drone was in international airspace, it will play into the hands of the US and muddy the waters with the remaining countries left in the Iran nuclear deal. The world is watching , knowing that the US is looking for a conflict, pressured by Israel and the Saudi's. America is playing the media, which we all know favor the US and not the Iranians. In one week we have two incidents were the US and its media blame the Iranians, evidence shown to the world, that could have been staged by many actors, but not proved without a reasonable doubt. Trump needs a war more than Iran, Trump and his NEOCONS started this fiasco by withdrawing from the Nuclear deal, which was working. The middle East has seen enough of US meddling, far to many innocent people killed or displaced in its actions. All the time the rest of the world has let the US charge ahead , well now is the time for the international comunity to stand up, and say enough is enough, and force both players to come the table and reach a workable dialogue were no more live are lost. Iran is not a threat to the US , neither is North Korea, China or Russia, this is just ongoing American political theatre to appease the huge US military complex , the true rulers of America and its political system.

10 ( +13 / -3 )

I agree with the professor totally. More sanctions, eg no luxury goods like NKorea, no Autos, no minerals, and more troops to central command in Qatar, and send out arrest warrants for all the IRGC generals.

I hope you're a member of the military.

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"How can they not respond? It's not possible," he said. "Once you say it was in international waters, you put yourself in a position where if you don't respond, people won't take you seriously."

I agree with the professor totally. More sanctions, eg no luxury goods like NKorea, no Autos, no minerals, and more troops to central command in Qatar, and send out arrest warrants for all the IRGC generals.

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I think Trump is raising the tensions with Iran on purpose so during the campaign he can rush to make some sort of a peace deal with Iran and come out as a hero just in time for the elections. I am also pretty sure he is doing the same tactic with China. He is pushing this trade war disputes in order to keep the tensions high, when times is right, he will strike a deal with them, the markets will rally, and he will appear as a hero just in time for the elections.

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But he tells it like it is! How can you not get that?

You also have to keep in mind the intellectual capacities and educational experiences of Donny's base.

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So now the guy who doesn't read, and who is ignorant of history and policies is now going to lead young men and women to war? The same bone spurs guy who doesn't read the daily intelligence briefings and doesn't understand the raw intel? The same guy who trashed his own intelligence community?

But he tells it like it is! How can you not get that?

0 ( +8 / -8 )

This is foreign policy from someone with the intelligence of a 10 year old. When Trump was elected, my first thought was that he would get us into another war. He has surrounded himself with people who want war with Iran. My worst fears may become reality.

Trump has an endless supply of paint and corners.

20 ( +25 / -5 )

So now the guy who doesn't read, and who is ignorant of history and policies is now going to lead young men and women to war? The same bone spurs guy who doesn't read the daily intelligence briefings and doesn't understand the raw intel? The same guy who trashed his own intelligence community? Better slow down and smell the coffee before letting the likes of Lindsey Graham goad this guy into doing something rash. Nothing better than a war to distract the public from all his troubles and try to brand himself as the tough guy. This guy will do anything if it benefits himself and the U.S. public had better open its eyes quickly before he really does "shoot someone on 5th Avenue and get away with it."

20 ( +26 / -6 )

More appeasement of and capitulation to Iran. Donny sure is good at backing down to dictators.

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