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bass4funk
Not a ban on Muslims, but they do scrutinize them a lot more, patrol their borders better and infiltrate them more than we do, which is something we need.
Strangerland
Israel does not have a ban on Muslims. Where did you ever get that idea?
nishikat
But he said he would. And the Muslim ban.
And who will pay for that?
bass4funk
No need for that. in 11 days, Trump will be at the podium and Hillary will be with the grandkids. Kudos.
And we'll use more surveillance and border patrols. A lot of people need jobs, great opportunities await!
nishikat
Arrest Hillary? He said he won't.
But they will just use ropes and ladders.
bass4funk
Sure, he will. Give the guy a chance, crying about it won't change the inevitable. He's not even sworn in yet. Nish, for all you know, he might become to be your favorite president. I know you want secure borders jusl like the rest of us and remember, he used to be a Democrat, so we have best of both worlds, smile. Life is good, after the Wall is built and we all help to cut down on illegal immigration and we slowly get the money back and get the country right on track, you'll be proud and Hillary she won't be president, so you don't have to worry, we never have to deal with her. 11 more days to go. Kudos.
nishikat
NO, he won't:
Make a muslim registry
Kill ObamaCare 100%
Have Hillary arrested
Deport all illegals
Above are his broken promises. And now it looks like he won't make the Mexicans pay for the wall. American tax payers will be on the hook and many Texans will have their land grabbed.
Let's see what happens? It will be broken promises because he already broke them. There is no speculation. He won't have Hillary arrested and that is the beginning of a long chain of broken empty promises.
bass4funk
You said, he broke a promise by saying Mexico should pay for it and now wants Americans to build it and I'm saying, who cares as long as it's being built by us, we pay, we get reimbursed, that's all good, as long as it gets built..
That's ok. He's doing a pretty good job so far. Let's see what happens exactly after the 20th and after the first 100 days. After that, you don't need to speculate anymore.
nishikat
Then you are saying that Trump won't make the wall. Will he? Won't he? What?
The difference is Trump followers 100% believe what Trump says.
bass4funk
And you sad, he won't be president either. Lol
Name me a president that kept every word he promised.
There are ways of taxing them, we do so much trade with them, not a problem. In fact, it's too easy.
I'm sorry, but you don't speak for Texans and especially people that live along the border. As long as it gets built and even if I have to pay for it, I'll gladly jump in and pick up a shovel.
No, but Israel can always neutralize any threat at anytime when it happens. Now if they didn't have the Wall.....
Strangerland
And look at how it has entirely stopped terrorist attacks, right? Just like Trump's wall will entirely stop illegal immigrants, right?
nishikat
This is Trump's giant wall (a wall of empty promises because he will not build it)
A crime is a crime and it doesn't matter. If Trump doesn't have Hillary arrested then he is breaking a promise (like the one he will break about the wall)
Then who is going to pay for it? mexico won't. And Texans don't want a giant ugly wall in their back yards with dogs running around barking all the time. Do you know how many dogs it takes to guard 2,000 miles and how much dog good it will take....then there are the vet bills. Who is going to pay for all this? Mexico won't.
Trump's 50ft x 2,000 mile solid concrete wall won't be built. It's a broken promise just like he won't completely destroy ObamaCare and just like his broken promise of having Hillary arrested.
bass4funk
Have you ever been to Israel and seen their wall and where it goes?
Hillary is not going to be president and not a threat, she's going to play house with the grandkids, invigorating.
Which is fine as long as it gets built, politicians break promises all the time. I don't know a single politician that kept every word he said. Obama broke a lot of promises, so did Bush the elder and let's not forget Clinton. Nothing new.
Like you said "IF" and it doesn't have to be a straight Pink Floyd wall at EVERY single section, if we can build the fastest jets, biggest dams and have the most powerful military on the planet, building a wall or in areas securing it, is not even a smidgen of a problem.
nishikat
yes, becasue Trump wants a 50 foot wall and a lot of the border goes through people's properties. Trump says he wants to build a 50 foot wall and if that 50 foot wall is not built that means he is breaking another promise (like not arresting Hillary or keeping many points of ObamaCare). If Trump does not build a wall 2000 miles x 50 feet with all the bells and whistles it means he is breaking another promise - like when he broke his promise to have Hillary arrested. The wall won't be built.
No, they won't. You can't get 10s of billions of dollars from a country like Mexico even if it was approved. And if Mexican products get too expensive then Americans will just buy products from other countries instead.
bass4funk
You don't have to, you can build surveillance systems around it, put cameras or border posts around the surrounding area. If the US can get Noriega, this is a nothing burger.
They will. Just hit them with bigger tariffs, remittances and tax them when they send money back, that's how you get that money back, of course they won't willingly pay for it, we all know that, so you have to improvise. Either way, there is a lot you can do to get the money back.
How many dogs do they need to guard every point of a 2000 mile wall? Who is going to pay to train and feed the dogs (on top of the 50 foot x 2000 mile wall)?
Maybe Ceasar.
Nish, If I believed in what you say, I would have panicked that Hillary would become the next president. Thanks, but I'll believe Trump. Schadenfreude. LOL
nishikat
No one wants a 50 foot wall built in the middle of their property.
And who is going to pay for all that? Mexico won't. How many dogs do they need to guard every point of a 2000 mile wall? Who is going to pay to train and feed the dogs (on top of the 50 foot x 2000 mile wall)?
Trump has broken promises. He broke the promise of not having Hillary arrested and he will break the promise of not building the wall. Just watch.
bass4funk
I know Texans, most would gladly pay for once if a president can keep his word and do something about the border, my family would gladly pay an obscene amount of taxes for that.
Nonsense LOL
No, but the dogs, the increased border security, the high tech surveillance systems will.
That wasn't a wall, that was a fence, big difference. I'm from Southern California, they have not tried to build anything of a wall a serious wall like in Israel, never happened.
I think the left is just scared because it's coming to fruition, finally.
Well, he wouldn't be as naive as Reagan was. Reagan was promised if he gave 3 million amnesty, the Democrats would make a wall, seal the border and that never happened, so Trump learned from that mistake, he's always been a harsh critique about the illegal influx of aliens since the 80's and now he has a chance and whether he broke a promise of how and what he intends to impose on Mexico for paying for the wall is irrelevant. Just as long as he does it.
That's ok as well, just as long as he repeals the rest.
nishikat
No, because the wall needs to be built is on private property that Americans own in Texas. The US government will have to grad their land.
Also, don't forget that ladders and ropes work very well to climb over walls. The wall will not stop illegals from going over the wall.
Trump broke his promise about having Hillary arrested.
They tried to build the wall before but failed. It can't be built. Trump is just playing you and just like he broke his promise of not having Hillary arrested he will break his promise of building the wall. He might even do what Reagan did and grant millions greencare amnesty. Also, he agreed to keep parts of ObamaCare which is another promise he broke. Trump is playing his followers as fools.
bass4funk
In the fantasy, but so many Mexicans use Western Union and other wiring systems, they can impose a higher tax to send that money, tariffs, remittances, there are so many ways to get that money back, unless they want to hire a Roadrunner to carry the money off and back to their kin in Mexico. Good luck, there are Coyotes waiting.
Trump can break his promise about Hillary, the main reason, she's NOT going to be president, so it doesn't matter now, I'm good, most of his supporters are good. 12 more days!
As far as the wall is concerned, our lives are being ruined by us NOT having a wall, sorry, but I have more empathy for Americans at this point.
Which is ok, because at least, it will be built, so I can most definitely live with that broken promise.
Keep dreaming. LMAO.
Kudos!
nishikat
Yes, he will. private property will have to be seized from American citizens in Texas to build Trump's 50ft. wall. There will be countless lawsuits going on which will add even more billions to the cost that Mexico will not pay for.
Trump breaks his promises. He broke his promise when he said he would have Hillary arrested. That means he will break (and is now breaking) promises about other things important to Trump followers such as the wall. He just now said that the American tax payer will pay for it after the land is seized from American landowners in Texas. Trump will ruin countless lives by forcing a wall to be build on people's property after it is seized.
Two ways Americans are being screwed over the wall. (1) They will have to pay for it since Mexico won't (2) The US will have to grab land from American citizens in Texas to build the wall and these Americans will not do it without a fight- which will add billions more to the wall bill that Mexico will not pay for.
All because Trump thinks Mexico is worse than North Korea. Why does he hate Mexico so much. He wishes Mexico did not exist. Crazy president. yes, he won. But he is crazy
bass4funk
And even if he doesn't, he's still going to be president and life will go on. Obama said, you could keep your doctor and prices would be so, so low and that was the biggest lie, we survived the 8 years and you guys will too. At this point, I could care less if Hillary gets arrested or not, she didn't win and that's an even bigger vindication.
Absolutely not true, but I do think it's funny you say that. The bottom line is, the wall will be built and there are ways, more than enough to have Mexico pay for it and now that it's coming to fruition, I am very happy that now something can be done about it.
Meaning, you and every other liberal thought, there is no way he can win. Well.... LOL
elephant200
Why didn't Donald Trump just order the US army to mine the border, make the US-Mexico border to be a massive mine field like the 38th parallel. That should be more easier than building wall to stop illegal immigrants.
nishikat
A 50ft wall will make that area the least desirable to live near.
No, Trump wants a 50 foot solid concrete wall. If it's a fence he will tear it down and rebuild with a solid wall that you can see from miles and miles away. So ugly.
turbotsat
Look, someone even tried to get their Jeep Cherokee over!
http://media2.fdncms.com/sacurrent/imager/u/original/2534674/maxresdefault.jpg
But, as mentioned, the fence for the populated area is already there, or mostly.
For the unpopulated areas, there's not many people out there even watching the cactus grow, let alone worrying about the govt putting fence over land no one cares about.
nishikat
Even if the 50ft wall is built people will still use 50ft ladders and ropes to get over it. It won't stop anyone. And who wants a 50ft wall in their back yard. Property prices will plummet not only on that part of the land but for miles back since the view of that ugly wall will go on and on and on. It will destroy beautiful views, nature, and property values.
One important reason why it can't be done.
turbotsat
The interstate highway system has 50,000 miles of highway. It cost $511B (in 2015 dollars), and the majority of that was probably not land purchase but construction and planning costs.
The USA-Mexico border is only 2000 miles long. The remaining open border is mostly (or all) out in the boonies. That reservation in AZ is complaining but that 75-mile section is needed more than most, it's a drug-running channel and for some families both heads of household are in prison for drug crimes and their children are raised by relatives.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_Highway_System
nishikat
That means many Texans will lose their land because of Trump. Also, it just means Mexicans will just use ladders and ropes to get over the wall. it will be a waste of US taxpayer money and loss of land for Texans. But good business for the ladder and rope business. Trump followers think that all the illegals come from border crossings. They never believe that illegals come by airplanes and overstay their visas. They also believe that the only illegals are hispanics.
No, they have to sue. Trump will (1) ruin the lives of texas landowners and (2) stiff the American taxpayer because Mexico will NOT pay. Suing is very expensive and time consuming.
They tried before and failed. It's just that Trump followers never doubt Trump. They trust him 100%.
Like what?
I can't believe that Trump followers want a 50 foot concrete wall that goes on for 2,000 miles. I sure would move out of that ugly area if I lived around there. I guess Trump and his followers see Mexicans as some disease infested zombies that have to be kept out. They think that Mexico will never be a good country ever.
turbotsat
They don't (usually) build in the river but next to it or back from it. See maps of existing wall in Texas.
Government obtains property all the time for purposes like this, otherwise we wouldn't have federal highways.
nishikat
No, because Trump is always changing what he says. First he says he was going to have Obama investigated for faking his passport. Then he said he was going to have Hillary arrested because he accuses her of being a "nasty woman" and doing lots of criminal things. He said he will completely destroy Obamacare (but then say later he will keep some parts of it). Then he said he will have Mexico pay for the wall, but now he says US tax payers will pay. You can't trust Trump. He will burn US tax payers and confiscate a lot of land from Texas landowners.
No, he broke his promise about that. he said if I win, I am going to instruct my attorney general to get a special prosecutor. He broke his promise about having Hillary busted and so far he has broken many other promises such as forcing the Mexicans to pay for the wall. Mexico will not pay. Trump followers believe 100% what Trump says always. They never doubt him.
No, it is true. The American government would have to sue Texas landowners for their land so the wall can be built and have guard outposts. Trump will ruin the lives of many Americans in South Texas- and he will stiff the American taxpayer because Mexico will NOT pay. There are many many many American landowners in that situation so yes I do know it.
No, that was you. I said if he becomes president i would mean good comedy content (and he can't take it and throws tantrums on Twitter)
bass4funk
We already went through that, besides, if we have to pay for it and build it, at least it will get done, I'll even volunteer my time, if I can.
If he appoints a special prosecutor to investigate Hillary, fine and if not, a broken promise is not the end of the world. Obama broke so many and most of his supporters were ok with it.
Sure, but you can stop the majority, I just care about the majority, I'm good with that.
That's not true and you know it. There are so many ways to get the money back. Probably the best would be to impose tariffs.
Maybe in some alternate Bizarro universe perhaps. Anyway, you were wrong about Trump becoming president, it's going to happen and you should be happy, I am.
nishikat
Who is going to pay for that?
No! He promised his followers he would arrest that "nasty woman" Hillary when he get elected and he broke his promise. if he broke his promise about arresting Hillary then he will break his promise about the wall. And even if he does build it he won't get the Mexicans to pay and it will stiff the tax payers.
No, I didn't, you did. I said if he does he will increase government spending on healthcare (public option) and break his promises to his followers (wall and not arresting Hillary). I said he would be good for comedy material.
The solution to walls is ladders and ropes, always has and always will. Trump cannot stop the Mexicans from entering the US even though he and all his follower hate Mexico with a passion.
No, it means many Americans would lose their land and tax money.
Vague. That means there will be no money and it means Americans lose their property to the wall and tax payers lose money to build it. It's a double loss for Americans.
lostrune2
What're we gonna do?
Build a wall!
Who's gonna pay for it?
You are!
lol
Strangerland
Really? I haven't seen him give anything concrete as to what he is or isn't going to do with it. Where are you getting this information?
bass4funk
Sure it will and need I remind you, you said, Trump wouldn't get elected, he did. You said, he wouldn't get rid of Obamacare at all, he is, most of it at least. Anything else you want to speculate on that is false?
You can put a lot of border agents and surveillance equipment around it though.
And since Trump is not Obama, he can double the border patrol agents., you can't get everyone of course, but you can make it so difficult and extremely challenging to the point where it's not worth the effort.
What are you talking about? The cost would hit Mexico and in a big way, we do so much trade with them, there's a lot you can do to get the money from them, one way or another.
Another liberals narrative, but I did chuckle at it.
Trump doesn't need to and shouldn't, as long as appoints a special prosecutor, I'm good with it and you should as well. It seems we both don't like criminals. Kudos!
nishikat
It's not and won't.
You can't build a wall on a river. And even if he builds a wall Mexicans will use ladders and ropes to get over them. Also, don't forget in Texas there is a lot of private property that the govt. will have to sue for and that will increase the cost a lot for the wall (that Mexico will not pay). Trump will pull a real number on the US tax payer. Texans will lose private property and the cost of the wall will go up (for US tax payers and not Mexicans since Mexicans will not pay). Trump followers always believe 100% what Trump says without thinking for themselves.
No, Trump said he will arrest Hillary when he becomes president and he broke his promise and made his followers mad.
bass4funk
As long as it's being built, no one really cares and Trump shouldn't get involved with investigating Hillary, he should leave that up to his appointed. DOJ.
boweevil
Yeah, like he said he'd release his tax returns later...It's already too late for that now...So thats when Mexico will pay for the wall. His announcements of his intentions have already weakened the Mexican economy-so when you make a country less able to pay what is the likliehood they are more likely to pay? At the moment net migration of Mexicans is OUT of the USA-but if Trump decides to make things more difficult for Mexico then he is likely to reverse that trend...but Trump logic has always been, just like Trump honesty and intelligence an oxymoronic proposition.
nishikat
Trump will break all his promises. He said he won't have Hillary arrested and this means he will break his promise about having Mexicans pay for the wall.
bass4funk
From the failed stimulus to planned parenthood funding by tax payer money, from the outrageous and outstanding $10 Trillion debt, to his lies about Obamacare, the rapid deterioration of race relations, the high Black on Black crime rate, his inability and unwillingness to see any faults in himself or his policies and on and on, the point is, if you think he was an outstanding president, that's fine, I don't and millions don't and I'm glad we're in the homestretch of the guys presidency.
And it's less once you minus the retiring baby boomers, people that took themselves out of the work force, millennials that are under 30 and had to move back home because they couldn't find jobs because there were No jobs in the "private sector" so you can probably cut that number in half, government jobs don't count, if you want to measure a flourishing economy.
That was the problem, he should have let the auto industry fail and use the existing bankruptcy laws and restructure accordingly.
So you don't care that we have to pay the Russians a humiliating "$70 million a person" to hitch a ride in the joint missions on the space station? I'm sorry, but where are the savings??
Yes, and I didn't hear a single mention of saving jobs in the coal, gas industry nuclear, oil or creating ANY jobs in the private sector.
And over 70% of Americans hate the current state of the system and how it functions and let's not even talk about the price increases that occurred November 1st last year and the thousands that had to cancel their coverage and the largest insurers bailing on this failed and bad policy.
Come again? LMAO
Besides what I have just mentioned, my pain will subside in 15 days.
They won't outright, but there are so many ways around that.
Well, no, he's not. Quite ingenious, if you really think about it, there is a lot we can do. Hit them with tariffs, remittance, many Mexicans use wire transfers, you tax them on that, other goods products they import from us, there are so many ways to get around this. Lucky Luciano once said, the "US government" is bigger and scarier than the mafia. When they want their money, they're going to get it one way or another.
Yeah, they could try and sit on a grenade with that risky idea.
SuperLib
Everyone wants a secure border. The debate is whether we want to devote such a massive amount of limited resources to something so ineffective. Some people are on board with that, others aren't.
Serrano
"and even getting significantly less votes than his opponent!"
And even winning more than 2700 out of 3143 counties! Hillary was fine with the Electoral College until she lost it, heh he
nishikat
Even Trump says the wall won't work and it's just scamming the US tax payers. Proof (quote source):
Trump has even admitted this. “If they ever get up [on the wall] they’re in trouble,” Trump said. “‘Cause there’s no way to get down… Maybe a rope.”
And some people even think Trump is going to put SEAL TEAM SIX members as snipers to pick off people climbing over the wall and have automatic machine gun turrets like what what was in the movies ALIENS. Trump voters literally believe in science fiction. Like something crazy like Ronald Reagan's Star Wars plan.
Trump is going to scam the US voters. But it's time to buy stock in concrete companies and home depot for all those ladder and rope sales. Ladders and ropes have worked for thousands of years to get over walls and will continue to do so!
Wolfpack
The voters in "red" states like Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan want a secure border. They deserve a secure border and a wall is part of that equation. I noticed that Gitmo is still open and the oceans haven't stopped rising - did Obama give Liberals what they deserved?
Strangerland
... and even getting significantly less votes than his opponent!
Serrano
"The man is crazy. President Chump."
Heh, somehow he had enough wits to overcome all obstacles to win the election, including the establishment on both sides of the aisle, Hillary's $1.2 billion, the president of the United States, Beyonce, Jay Z, Bruce Springsteen, Madonna,, Goerge Clooney, Matt Damon.. he he
Scrote
Blocking wire transfers won't work: the money will be sent via other countries or other means.
Mexico will not pay for the wall, and Trump is an idiot if he thinks they will. Mexico should respond by reducing copyright terms to a year or abolishing them altogether, end cooperation on drug smugglers, refuse to take back undocumented immigrants from the US etc.
1glenn
The man is crazy. President Chump.
Time_Bandit
Bass,
Precisely what, pray tell, was so bad for you over the past 8 years of Obama's administration that what quantitatively and qualitatively bad for you?
Any pain you may have suffered certainly couldn't have been economic. Twenty-theee straight months of job growth in the private sector with 3.7 million new jobs after the crash of 2006. He saved the auto industry, which, since tanking in 2009, has added some 100,000 jobs and has achieved market share for the first time in two decades. He recapitalized and rehabilitated major banks at nearly zero cost to taxpayers.
Your pain certainly couldn't be in the sciences. He cancelled the obsolete space shuttle program, as well as the wasteful and ultimately non-performing Constelation Program, at a significant savings to taxpayers. He expanded stem cell research, renewable energy development, and broadband coverage to reach those angry white rural Americans you like to go on about.
The issue couldn't be how he's treated the children of America. He's brought health coverage to millions of children, instituted minimum basic food nutrition requirements for school food programs, and introduced Race to the Top to put America back on top in terms of educational competitiveness.
And he hasn't experienced a single, solitary scandal to besmirch his reputation.
So what is exactly it that pained you so about Obama? Please be specific.
badsey3
It is nice to see that Mexico wants to build this wall now. -Not worth it to have the Peso devalued and Mexican imports into the US targeted. Trump makes it look very easy where as Barrack Hussein Obama had a very difficult time. Probably expect construction to commence in a month with Mexican illegals in prison as a "free" labor force. End result: Mexico is building this wall with Mexican labor and Mexican money.
Kabukilover
Anyone who believes this also believes in the tooth fairy.
Mocheake
Mexico, please tell him to drop dead.
browny1
Trump will bring down the states if his medley of amateur politics is played out.
Because if this is truly the Main Act, the realities of global socio-economics will have him squirming by September.
But I think this is all bravado and blind-swiping his supporters, the majority who have no idea at all what they've gotten themselves into.
Y'ol good liuck now yo'l hear..
Madverts
Bah Trump backed down from this particular insane promise too easily. There's only one reason he's immediately grabbing the public purse for this folly - he'll have his dirty short fingers in the pie making $$$$$$$$'s out of the wall.
kwatt
It seems that manufactures/goods will be more expensive if things are made by Americans in USA. So they will have to buy very expensive things as result and besides they can't complain about those prices they put on. Because American labor is much more expensive than Mexican one.
SuperLib
Some Republicans....and pretty much everyone left of the far right. The wall is just emotional bait. It's talked about by some politicians but it never gets done because of the cost and the fact that there's no evidence it would make any kind of reduction in illegal entries. In the end everyone decides the money would be better spent elsewhere. Trump and his supporters are the first group dumb enough to actually cut off their nose to spite their face.
Do not specifically target illegals with children. Children have no say in the matter and they are the ones who will be hurt the most. Get your revenge somewhere else.
And the world will watch in horror as the United States blocks remittances to another country and demands $5 to $10 billion payment. To pay for an ineffective wall. Which country will be next?
Ehh, I should stop criticizing the plan. The more you expose one of Trump's plans the more passionately his backers will support it. Something about being more interested in making us angry than offering solutions. I can only guess they think that over 4 years they will never be on the receiving end of one of Trump's emotional, counterproductive policies. Good luck with that. I'll fight against him with you when the day comes, and I won't even require a pound of flesh.
Citizen2012
Well, history is telling us that countries in the need of a Hard Wall around their borders are usually not the one dealing well with their citizen human's rights.
Serrano
We wouldn't have to build the wall now if Bll Clinton, GW Bush and Obama had got it built.
wtfjapan
Trump seems to think that Mexico will continue to take his abuse, eventually Mexico will just say fine well pay for your wall but youll pay for the fight against the drug cartels by yourself. The flow of drugs into the US does more damage to the US, than any wall , auto factory could hope to accomplish in "making America great again"
Citizen2012
I bet TRUMP will install machine guns and towers, soon people will realize, not a wall made to avoid Mexican to come to USA but to avoid American citizen to escape.
Jimizo
"No, Obama has a stressful job leading the most powerful country in the world being constantly harassed by small people on the Internet who can't articulate reasonable, evidence-based arguments for why they hate him but are definitely sure that America's first black president is definitely our worst one in history."
Very true. Remember the racist trash trying to prove he wasn't born in the US? Other hateful lunatics claimed he was the anti-Christ. I actually think he was too dignified in the face of this stupidity, hate and insanity and should have let rip at this human garbage.
He is a very classy man.
katsu78
Unrelenting, unreasonable hate will do that to a person.
As for the article, yet another case of Conman Trump trying to duck out of one of his promises. It would be funny if he wasn't actively destroying the world for our grandchildren.
Lost-in-Nagoya
I just read that Concacaf is about to decide how to bid for the 2026 soccer World Cup - US, Canada and Mexico could go alone, or more likely, two of these trio could joint-bid or the three could join forces. It will be interesting to see if US go alone (Trump would never accept a joint-bid with Mexico), and see a battle of a Canada-Mexico bid against US.
bass4funk
I seriously doubt it. Impossible! The last 8 years was beyond bad. I have more gray hair than Obama.
PTownsend
Could you please explain when this (i.e. pulled the plug) happened, and also how someone who hasn't taken office could have the power to do so. You're not creating fake news, now, are you?
ThePBot
Oh Donald, the Great Wall of China didn't work, and that was back when people didn't have access to super modern equipment like.....shovels, wire cutters...
bass4funk
Having a hand in the election and completely overturning the results are two entirely different things. Also, had Clinton NOT actively meddle in Russians 2011 elections, this might not have happened.
So this is the new narrative liberals are going to go with? Yeah, kinda original.
PTownsend
Bottom line reason many in Trump's base voted for him was his NRA approved stance on guns and ammo. As long as Trump is seen to stop any attempt to even question their perceived right to own private arsenals and assault weapons they'll forgive him all else, including allowing Putin to influence policies and events.
True believers gonna true believe their political messiah. A tyranny of the billionaire oligarchs backed by the gun toting minority who voted for Trump ahead.
theFu
It is called accounting.
Plus the USA has already paid Mexican "entrepreneurs" billions. The USA is that drug addicted neighbor with a drug dealer living next door who gets lots of our money. Who is to blame? Both.
The solution to the USA Mexican issue is
a) A guest worker program.
b) legalized growing and sale of recreational drugs in the USA.
Short of those things, we won't have any solution. A wall won't help. I'm surprised that Mr. Trump doesn't want to setup automatic machine guns to cover the unpopulated parts of the borders.
bass4funk
After 8 years, I don't think Trump is trying to con anyone.
SuperLib
Trump folded.
bass4funk
The parents can always go back.
How? The wall is going to be built and at this point, whether Mexico does it or we do is irrelevant, the main this that it gets done, that's not a broken promise, that's a promise kept.
Look, Trump can't keep EVERY single promise, let's deal with reality, but many of them he can and it looks like it's slowly shaping up that way.
I think they're getting both.
CrazyJoe
Yes, another broken promise. There are already quite a few and there will be many, many more.
Red State voters won't get what they want but they will get what they deserve.
Laguna
Ah - so children of those who harvest American crops, man its abattoirs, and do other work that citizens really don't want to do shall suffer for the price of a useless boondoggle.