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Laguna
Donald Trump would not recognize reality if it bloodied his nose and ran off with his toupee.
What the hell is this guy talking about? He's like Calvin&Hobbes Calvin during class when his teacher morphs into some space alien. Helloooo! Donnnnn! Nobody is talking about open borders! - perhaps it's just in your head.
Guns.
You see, those killed due to the proliferation of guns in America by illegal immigrants are different from those killed due to the proliferation of guns in America by citizens because of something that nobody has yet bothered to explain, and Trump will solve this by getting rid of the former while increasing the latter. Any questions?
Black Sabbath
Trump fatigue. Already.
CrazyJoe
Make no mistake, a Trump presidency would be ruled by violence, both official (torturing people, mass expulsions, jailing anyone who he perceives as not on his side) and mob violence. And roughly 45% of the American population thinks this is a needed corrective to our problems - many of which are exaggerated or completely made up.
I have never been so depressed and anxious about the future as I am right now.
What has happened to my country?
theFu
Mr. Trump is a boob. We need a workable solution. I'm thinking visitor work visas for Mexican and Canadian nationals which require them to go home for at least 3 months a year. The USA gets workers and the imported workers get to be with their families AND have a slightly better life than they would otherwise, if there part of the world doesn't let them do that locally. Clearly much of Mexico doesn't have economic issues.
Why Canada too? Need to be fair to both countries that have long borders with the USA.
I would like it if Mexico had a reciprocal agreement.
VOTE: NONE OF THE ABOVE.
or Gary Johnson (lib). He won't win, but at least the coming political and economic disasters won't be my fault.
Black Sabbath
Right. Now you know how birthers, the tea partiers, the religious right -- y'now, the Republican base -- has felt the past 8 years.
The only difference, of course, being that their America is a fantasy. Because reality has a well-known liberal bias.
But, when you live in the right wing bubble, you don't really know what is real and what is not. Hate radio went full communistic propaganda two decades ago. I would say Nazi too, but they don't preach explicit race hatred.
On the bright side, there is no way for Trump to deliver on his nonsense. We just don't have the man power or the funds to carry out his mass deportation, or his wall. That is just reality. Even if, and it is a big if, the Big Money behind the Republican party was on board with his insane plans. But they aren't. They want open borders because they are capitalists -- Trump's blood and soil nativist nationalism has always been at odds with the real $$ and power at makes up the Republican party.
johntriptan
Crazy Joe it already is. This is exactly what is happening to those who oppose the left. Get your head out of the sand. I hope to god you still vote.
badsey3
Hopefully Hillary will truthfully release her full medical records now. Obama still needs to release his full medical records also (only released a summary).
bass4funk
Well, we all know the border issue means absolutely nothing to liberals. I'm very happy you proved that point once again.
Wow! I have a couple of guns, I never went out and killed anyone. Are we going to do the same old, let's blame the guns and not the person spiel again? This is what drives me wild about liberals, blame everyone else for everything else that doesn't fit within the mold of the liberal mindset and give the perpetrators and the criminals a pass. Jeez!
I think you're over-exaggerating the point. You can leave the Hitler analogy out of it. LOL
I don't think so.
Strangerland
Unfortunately a Hillary presidency is likely to see violence from Trump supporters, who have already started the threats. Then they'll blame her for leading a country that is violent, same as they've blamed Obama for racism, and for leading in a political environment where nothing can get done.
Laguna
Here's the point. When Trump says something like
it is a lie. It is not stretching the truth. It is not an accidental misstatement. It is not simply being uninformed. It is a lie, as in Trump knows that what he is about to utter is factually devoid of veracity yet does so purposely to further his aims. That is a lie.
Trump lies all the time. He can't seem to help himself; perhaps his lies stem from the same pathology that impels him to stiff his contractors: because he can, and nobody calls on him. Born in conventional circumstances, he might have become a shoplifter. Most of his supporters seem oblivious to his lies; others are aware of them but somehow rationalize his lying. The media call his lies "falsehoods" or some other antiseptic phrase. In reality, they are simply lies.
Someday, a book will be written on Trump neurosis, and that is what he will be remembered for - not his buildings, not his political aspirations, but his insatiable desire to lie.
Strangerland
And Trump too. All he has released is a single page by some random doctor.
Apparently McCain released 1200 pages back in 2008. Trump releases a single page by a questionable doctor, then goes on TV with a TV doctor and reviews that single page, and everyone thinks 'oh great, of course this is accurate'.
katsu78
How weird is it that when a number of Americans get killed by immigrants it's so urgent that we must undermine our entire national identity and build an enormous wall that would bankrupt the country and wouldn't even stop illegal immigration, but when a far higher number of Americans get killed by other Americans, the response is a shrug and "eh, whacha gonna do?"
Strangerland
Well if there is anything that the gun nutters have taught us, it's that they think it's unreasonable if illegal immigrants use guns to kill Americans, and it's unreasonable if black gangsters use guns to kill Americans, but other than that it's ok to use guns to kill Americans.
Now if there were only some way to keep guns out of the hands of illegals and black gangsters, while keeping them in the hands of everyone else, then all the killing of Americans would be acceptable killing, and there would be no issue.
bass4funk
Really, then Hillary has got to be the epitome lies and fabrication (as well as cover ups)
Excuse me? Until the MSM woke up from their deep hibernation, they were on Trump constantly 24/7 non-stop! It was getting so tedious and now that the MSM is finally doing their job, libs say, don't point your fingers at Hillary, go back to Trump and leave her alone, she's a woman and she deserves to be president because it's her turn, we had the first Black president and now it's her turn and don't muck it up!
You can say the same thing about Hillary supporters that people would even believe a woman with 35 years history of lies, cover ups and deceptions, but the kicker is, she has been doing this while being on the tax payer dime.
Either way, it would be a best seller, If Hillary could get a 1/3 of the book sales Trump had (because getting people enthused is not her strongest point) she would be bowing at his feet.
Do you know this physicians credential? You think Hillary is just going to hand every single paper and honest report about her health? I'm sorry, but no one believes that pneumonia story, No one.
Strangerland
Not a single defense of the criticisms against Trump. Just redirects to 'Hillary Hillary Hillary'.
nadaku
Obsessive compulsive. Just like his cult leader who can't help being a psychopath.
Wolfpack
Maybe if more of the victims raped and murdered by illegals were black the Left might give a damn about the problem. Their deaths and misery don't matter.
yakyak
Well lets see now Bill started it,George went along with it,(only with a few revisions) and Obama set all the nails in place only to let "crooked Hillary" hammer everything down our throats for an eternity. Welcome to the NEW America!
goldnugget
That is exactly what people said about Obama care and he pushed it through.
HonestDictator
What has happened to my country?
@CrazyJoe Too many idiots in the majority now is the problem.
globalwatcher
Like Dan Rather said US media has been given free promotion tickets to Trump Reality show. He has been playing a violin, and we have been sucked in. He is a fraud. He is a con man. He is not fit for the job.
This guy Trump started Obama Birth Conspiracy five years ago because he was planning to run for 2016 Presidential Race, so far he thinks it is working until next week's first debate. Wait and see he has no policy plan because he does not know anything. He is going to fool himself. .What we can do is to demand his tax returns. IRS chief has already said Trump has lots to hide. I bet we paid more tax than Trump did.
I am working very hard here to make sure he will not be elected. This guy is very embarrassing and disgrace to our country. It is beyond repair. Hope you can join me to keep HOPE in our vote, not FEAR.
globalwatcher
trWhat has happened to my country?
I did not realize how many foolish, stupid and DEPLORABLE people are here until recently. According to the polls, a 45% of Americans is falling to a Bigotry Trump Campaign. What have we been teaching to our children in school and at home? This is not America I used to know. Where did we go wrong?
dmacleod
Except for people like doctors, those who don't believe in conspiracy theories, and people who don't think you should make a partisan issue out of something like a temporary personal illness.
If you have evidence that shows "that pneumonia story" is false or can provide actual proof that "no one" believes it, then please, post your proof here so that we can verify it.
FizzBit
More Trump hit prices by the BS MSM while Hillary is "untouchable". I think there's an old Saturday Night Live skit about that. Still, at least half of the voting public seem to have the brains to know better.
The power of the MSM compels you!
Strangerland
This trope again? If what you said were true, then the anti-Hillary smear campaign that has gone on for years now would not have happened. Look at how many Benghazi inquiries there had to be before the Republican party finally gave up as they realized there wasn't anything to find. And you still have right-wingers bleating on about Benghazi, because the right-wing MSM spouted rhetoric against 'untouchable' Hillary for so many years.
The idea that she is untouchable is about as ridiculous as anything the right has spouted for years.
PTownsend
'Open borders cost lives', 'It's the MSM', 'She wants to take away my guns', 'Rigged', 'Free stuff', and dozens of other easy to remember memes, dog whistles that get the Rupert Murdoch puppets away from watching Hannity and re-runs of Duck Dynasty and into their Ford pickup trucks, assault weapons locked and loaded, ready to join up with their fellow white militia members to make America hate even more.
Sinclair Lewis wrote It Can't Happen Here in the 1930's. And in 2016 Trump has manipulated media sources to give him all the free publicity he needs to make sure it does. His posses of angry white men with their .50 caliber semi-automatics (some converted to fully automatic) at the ready will do what he tells them to do.
Will it be the scariest tyranny of the majority the world has seen if Trump holds the access code to the big ones?
Strangerland
And as a back-up, he's manipulated media sources to give his hotels free publicity, in case it doesn't (aka - his 'press conference' last week to announce that he's determined Obama actually is American).
Kurobune
1/20/17 - "Madame President"
FizzBit
4 down votes. Brushed off as "trope" and Rupert Murdoch puppets.
Well, it seems YOU are the ones who are living on Fantasy Island. 68% of Americans say you're not very bright.
Americans' Trust in Mass Media Sinks to New Low
http://www.gallup.com/poll/195542/americans-trust-mass-media-sinks-new-low.aspx
Strangerland
They say you're better able to see the true numbers if you wear a tinfoil hat. You should try it!
Can you blame them? The US is messed up right now. And with everyone calling everyone else liars, and each media showing what the other side is calling lies as being the truth, people stop knowing who to believe, and start disbelieving anything and everything.
But that doesn't mean mass media is actually untrustworthy, it just means people don't have confidence in it.
Laguna
Another Trump lie - one the NYT is calling "the trillion dollar lie" 'cause that's how much is at stake. Here's what he's doing: appearing before an economics group which will "score" his tax plans, he promises to drop a key item which would allow corporate pass-through income to be taxed at his proposed new corporate rate of 15% rather than up to 33% as his proposed top individual income rate (and this would, incidentally, personally save Trump millions); this allowed the group to low-ball how much Trump's plan would cost the Treasury.
Then, on the same day, he meets with a small-business association and states that he has no intention of dropping this policy, thus gaining their support.
Now, Trump can drop it or Trump can keep it, but he obviously cannot do both. So he just up and lied. What is actual plans are remains unclear, though it's likely he'd try to keep it as he cares more about increasing his income than he does about the deficit. Either way, though, this is yet another example of an audacious, baldfaced lie. He can't seem to go 24 hours without lying. Perhaps he should rip Obama's slogan and call his campaign "The Audacity of the Big Lie".
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/17/us/politics/trump-tax-plan.html?_r=1
Outsider
Hey guys, back to the original story. What are Donalds stats for this rather outrageous claim? I know of one case in San Francisco so what others are there? Who were the victims of these crimes? How did they occur? Qestions for himself but I doubt well see many answers.
Serrano
"Trump says open borders cost lives and 'this will end'"
Yeah, but only if he wins the Electoral College. If open borders / laws are for peasants Hillary wins, it won't end.
"What the hell is this guy talking about? He's like Calvin&Hobbes Calvin during class when his teacher morphs into some space alien."
No, he's not.
"Trump fatigue. Already."
Trump 2016!
"Make no mistake, a Trump presidency would be ruled by violence,"
No, it wouldn't. There would be law and order though.
"1/20/17 - "Madame President"
Dream on.
This is interesting: "New Clinton Foundation Scandal: $216 Million From Donors Bought 205 White House Dinners" . ( Youtuber, author, columnist and journalist H. A. Goodman )
Laguna
Good question, Outsider! The connection between illegal immigration and crime has been extensively studied and thoroughly debunked. Think: The same period that saw the most rapid rise in illegal immigration (the GWB years) also saw a continuation of the fall in crime rates that began during the early '90s. It is also simply logical: illegal immigrants spend much money and often risk their lives to reach America; the vast majority of them simply want to create a better life; and they know that even a minor infraction could find them back where they started. Now, obviously any crime is bad, particularly violent crime, but singling out illegal immigrants is barking up the wrong tree, and that harms efforts to discover crimes' true roots.
The WSJ (that liberal rag) cites a study on this:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-mythical-connection-between-immigrants-and-crime-1436916798
Is this another Trump lie, or is he just uninformed? Perhaps it doesn't matter.
bass4funk
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/elections/
I go by this.
So am I, but Hillary is also the other running candidate.
Trump’s running mate, Indiana Gov. Mike Pence, released a two-page letter from his doctor Saturday vouching for his “excellent” health, summarizing his medical history and results of a July physical exam.
Seems like Trump is in good health, evidently. So other than Trump being quick with his tongue, he seems pretty healthy for 70 year old. Hillary, I kind of worry about her.
bass4funk
I just said, Trump seems to fine from what the reports reveal. So are you trying to say, I am NOT allowed to make any references to HRC at all??? Give me a break! LOL
But to be fair, I did like this stance from Trump:
"But he also ruled out what he dismissed as “amnesty,” saying those who want to live legally in the U.S. will need to leave and head to the back of the line in their home countries."
I'm all for that and NO amnesty should be given to anyone that breaks the law, for one thing, it isn't fair to anyone that came into the country legally and followed all the rules and regulations of the country and then are shafted because of an illegal alien, it's not right and on that issue and position alone (along with fortifying the border) is good enough reason IMO to vote for Trump.
otherworldly
That sitcom should be cancelled.
Serrano
I hear the Mexicans are going to build a wall on their southern border to keep out the Central American illegals, but it's unclear if the Clintons are going to pay for it.
This is interesting: "Judge Jeanine Pirro Opening Statement - Eric Trump On The Final Weeks Of The Race - Clinton Vs Trump" ( Fox News )
Apparently Hillary is unaware that a lot of blacks as well as whites and Hispanics in the U.S. are having a pretty hard time.
bass4funk
And then they try to come back again. Many do this because they know they will be sent back and NOT worry about any long lasting repercussions. So how long do we as a nation and the people that live in the border states need to deal with the lawlessness. I really think when the left make excuses for aliens breaking into the country illegally is pitiful.
The number of criminal aliens in federal prisons in fiscal year 2010 was about 55,000, and the number of SCAAP criminal alien incarcerations in state prison systems and local jails was about 296,000 in fiscal year 2009 (the most recent data available), and the majority were from Mexico. The number of criminal aliens in federal prisons increased about 7 percent from about 51,000 in fiscal year 2005 while the number of SCAAP criminal alien incarcerations in state prison systems and local jails increased about 35 percent from about 220,000 in fiscal year 2003. The time period covered by these data vary because they reflect updates since GAO last reported on these issues in 2005. Specifically, in 2005, GAO reported that the percentage of criminal aliens in federal prisons was about 27 percent of the total inmate population from 2001 through 2004. Based on our random sample, GAO estimates that the criminal aliens had an average of 7 arrests, 65 percent were arrested at least once for an immigration offense, and about 50 percent were arrested at least once for a drug offense. Immigration, drugs, and traffic violations accounted for about 50 percent of arrest offenses. About 90 percent of the criminal aliens sentenced in federal court in fiscal year 2009 (the most recently available data) were convicted of immigration and drug-related offenses. About 40 percent of individuals convicted as a result of DOJ terrorism-related investigations were aliens. SCAAP criminal aliens incarcerated in selected state prison systems in Arizona, California, Florida, New York, and Texas were convicted of various offenses in fiscal year 2008 (the most recently available data at the time of GAO’s analysis). The highest percentage of convictions for criminal aliens incarcerated in four of these states was for drug-related offenses. Homicide resulted in the most primary offense convictions for SCAAP criminal aliens in the fifth state—New York—in fiscal year 2008.
I really don't think so, not at all.
http://www.gao.gov/assets/320/316959.pdf
Serrano
"1/20/17 - "Madame President"
Sorry, "Madame President" will have to wait until Ivanka takes over after one or two terms of Donald.
smithinjapan
Serrano: "Dream on."
You said the EXACT same thing before Obama won, and before he won again. Remember how depressed you were after? It got to the point where people were using your predictions and 'dream on' comments in the same way as a GWB endorsement -- kiss of death.
But, clearly Republicans never learn, and Trump is proof not only of that, but that when they absolutely NEED to learn from their mistakes they ACTUALLY regress even further back.
But Trump is right about one thing, a lot of lives are lost because of porous borders -- he just got it the wrong way around. More and more guns are smuggled into Canada from the US daily than ever before, and lives are lost. Build that wall and keep Americans out and their guns out (at least Pro-Trump Americans, who are free to live with their 'freedumb' in isolated 'Merica... well, not really since Hilary will win)!
Serrano
You're right, smitty - I hereby predict the most qualified candidate ever to seek the office, Hillary Clinton, will win in a huuuuuuge landslide!
bass4funk
If that's true, then why is Trump leading in the major swing states?
You mean as in the "fast furious" deal?
Or maybe not.
Homotenashi
but what are we going to do if Canada and Mexico get together and build a freeway over the fences? they're going to be dumping their garbage all over us
Wolfpack
Just because the Left does not care about those killed, raped, and maimed by illegal immigrants that doesn't mean that it isn't a terrible problem that affects American citizens and their family and friends. Read some of the names at the link below - there are many more than the one case in San Francisco.
http://www.ojjpac.org/memorial.asp
But maybe the Left doesn't care?
nadaku
What in heavens name are you blabbering about???!?
More people are killed by other Americans. Guess how? Guns... by guns. Are you just willfully ignorant or what?
smithinjapan
Serrano: "You're right, smitty - I hereby predict the most qualified candidate ever to seek the office, Hillary Clinton, will win in a huuuuuuge landslide!"
Doesn't work that way, bud. You don't remember trying the same thing when people pointed that out to you previously? First off, you don't believe it like you believe in your denial about Trump and the GOP.
Wolfpack: "Read some of the names at the link below - there are many more than the one case in San Francisco."
Is this part of the Remembrance Project which has already drawn scrutiny for not being able to back up its claims? Not surprising you're a Trump fan.
Serrano
"Doesn't work that way, bud... First off, you don't believe it..."
I don't? Well, I dunno, Hillary is pretty much impervious to prosecution no matter what she does or how many mails Guccifer 2.0 or Wikileaks leaks, plus Trump's in trouble for declaring Obama to be born in the U.S., plus in the debate he's going to get killed and humiliated by all the personal attacks by Hillary and by all her wonderfully detailed plans for keeping the United States great ( we're all doing great except for the deplorables, who aren't America anyway.
Brian Wheway
This guy is completely insane !!!!
Madverts
So now that the Trump has finally admitted his racist Birther campaign was a crock of poo, when's he coughing up the 5 million dollars to a charity of President Obama's choice?
Wolfpack
@smithinjapan
So you read the long list of those killed by illegal aliens and you are ok with it? I see, this group isn't legit because you don't agree with them. Ignore the list. Can you point out one that is fake? Just feel good about knowing that all of these deaths are just part of the effort to ensure that Hillary is elected in November and many more Socialists will in the future. The ends justify the means -Saul Alinsky.
smithinjapan
Wolfpack: "So you read the long list of those killed by illegal aliens and you are ok with it?"
Lame. Who says anyone's okay with it. Present me with proof, and then compare it with people killed by non-illegals, and also illegals killed by what you probably call 'real people'.
"I see, this group isn't legit because you don't agree with them."
Wow, you sure have given me a lot of power! But thank you aside, things are not as easy as, clearly, you and Republicans are duped into thinking. It's not legit because it's not legit; my agreement or disagreement has no relation. If I say, "Trump is a good guy" that doesn't make it, or him, legit simply because you agree -- he is still not a legitimate person to be president by any means. Likewise you guys disagreeing with the inevitable result of Hilary winning won't mean the election was not "legit" as much as Trump is preparing you guys for it with the "rigged election" crap. Likewise if something is prepared kosher style you can say it is legitimate kosher food. You can't say it's not legitimate kosher food just because you don't like the taste. However, if it's not legitimately prepared and people call it kosher, they are just lying, as Remembrance Project is doing, and you are too by spouting and retweeting their nonsense.
FizzBit
11 down votes. Brushed off as "trope" and Rupert Murdoch puppets.
Here's your proof lemmings