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Its credibility as a national institution is shot.

Umm no, its credibility is still far, far ahead of Donny or sycophant weasels like Nunes.

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And this is why Trump is an idiot. The memo clearly doesn't vindicate anyone of anything but it does obviously allege serious wrongdoing by Trump's opponents in the FBI and DOJ. He could get alot of mileage out of this if he just kept his mouth shut and let this dumpster fire keep burning, but no, he really can't help himself when it comes to the Twitter.

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Its credibility as a national institution is shot.

Lol. Not hardly. But thanks for transmitting the Glavset talking point.

Trump said the memo “totally vindicates” him

Totally doesn’t.

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@M3 - I agree with you. The memo does not vindicate Trump in any way but it does clearly indicate something was not right within the FBI as well. It is a really messed up situation and one of Trump's main issues is he is not capable of keeping his mouth shut when he should.

@gcbel - questioning the credibility of the FBI after what we have just seen is hardly a "Glavset" talking point. There are some valid issues with the agency that also need to be looked into and addressed.

This is a big mess.

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but it does obviously allege serious wrongdoing by Trump's opponents in the FBI and DOJ

Does it? I am not convinced it does. Why would Nunes vote to reauthorize such a horribly abused system?

And, if we're calling into question the FISA warrants because of who funded the Dossier, its perfectly fair to call into question the memo.

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We truly have an idiot as our president. What's more is he thinks everybody else is an idiot too.

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sorry, Engr, but It actually is a Russian bot talking point. And the memo really isn’t the revelation you’ve been made to believe it is. It’s just a pretty transparent attempt to throw mud and see if it will stick - misleading, dishonest and maybe even foolish.

A major house cleaning is in order,

Translation, please wreck your FBI for us.

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Trump can feel vindicated if he wants to.

In other news, when will Don Jr be interviewed by Mueller?

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@gcbel - So the implication is that those that do not see this the same way you do are wrong. You do not know what I believe about the "revelation". I prefer to think for myself and what is in the memo should be investigated. If it is found to be groundless (as you say it is) then so be it. If it is just a "Bot" talking point then why not investigate the allegations on the memo and then put it to bed? Should be quick and simple.

I am in no way a supporter of Trump but I prefer to see allegations of abuse or misuse of power investigated and dispositioned accordingly.

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@engr - sorry you don’t understand what a bot talking point is. But it is.

And, since you seem to believe there is something there there on the basis of the memo draft by Nunes’ staff I assume you also read it and understood and you paid attention to the context of it then, yeah, I think you’re wrong, you fell for the con job. Not implied, but explicit.

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What his document does show is Trump is a loser. Twist and bend anything and anybody to achieve whatever it is Trump wants to achieve , be it legal or otherwise.

If you can't fire somebody who does not comply, then sabotage the credibility of that person.

A document written by Trumps office to vindicate Trump. Hmmmmm !!!!

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@Zenji - The document was prepared by the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI). The document itself does not show Trump is a loser. He is obviously not fit for office but that is not that this document says or is about.

@gcbel - yes I have read the document several times. Can you tell me exactly what the "con job" is? For example paragraph 1) has some pretty interesting allegations. Do you know for a fact these are false? It would be worth finding out why Steele created the dossier against Carter Page and if this was politically motivated or not. If it was not and can be proven so, then great! No issue.

I am all for transparency (Including release of Trump's tax returns).

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American Disgrace. Such a good description of yourself, Mr.Trump.

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Their (sic) was no Collusion and there was no Obstruction.

Trump can't even spell correctly.

And he's abandoned even the pretense of concern over discovering how certain Russians meddled in the election, something all serious people agree happened and will happen again.

The man is a danger to America. Notice how, little by little, other Repubs are separating themselves from what's clearly a sinking ship. They've got their tax cuts and no longer have any need for him.

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@gcbel

If it is a con job, why not call Trump's bluff and demand a second special counsel to investigate the memo from top to bottom? What do you have to lose? You could humiliate and discredit Trump by showing that the memo had no substance and was just a manufactured political stunt. On the off chance that you're wrong, the worst that would happen is that you uncover actual wrongdoing at the FBI.

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Trump says Republican memo vindicates him in Russia probe

It does.

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Its credibility as a national institution is shot.

That is correct and I might add Obamas legacy is shot too.

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@otherworldly - Nothing in the memo vindicates Trump. It only points out a potential conflict of interest and possible politically motivated surveillance of an American citizen, which is not good. To say this memo alone vindicates Trump is disingenuous. The allegations are certainly worth looking into however.

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It only points out a potential conflict of interest and possible politically motivated surveillance of an American citizen, which is not good. 

My point exactly. Trump will be vindicated because this is only the tip of the iceberg. We have to wait for more information to come, and it will come.

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If it is a con job, why not call Trump's bluff and demand a second special counsel to investigate the memo from top to bottom?

Tough to pull off. Trump would have to say something to the effect of, "The FBI is corrupt and we can't trust the Special Council, so I'm happy to announce that the FBI will be starting a Special Council to look into this." Awkward. And you'd have to start laying the groundwork of competing factions within the FBI now (honest vs not honest) so it can be put to use later, and you guys haven't even started that yet.

Rosenstein has said that he is on top of all aspects of the case and he hasn't seen any bias in any actions, and he has access to all of the information. He would obviously have to be in on it as yet another Republican secretly working against the President. Your challenge is to find something that sticks before you run out of supposedly corrupt Repiblicans.

But this is definitely an interesting sideshow while Mueller does his thing.

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Tokyo-Eng: The allegations are certainly worth looking into however.

Your thoughts on making this the new normal? Something where knowingly biased politicians release incomplete confidential information that they authored themselves, then they use it to go after their rivals? It would be an endless parade of allegations and "What do you have to lose?" justifications.

Seems that if Nunes had a case he could have just brought it right to the DOJ instead of releasing his own version to the public. But for now we have unproven allegations from a biased politician against our institutions. That can pretty quickly turn into the new norm with nothing to lose.

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I'm also curious if the Trump team (or the Russians) have come up on a consensus as to why Comey helped Trump by reopening the Clinton investigation before the election? We had a few theories floating around in another thread but nothing really nailed down.

Take a second run at it and let me know what you guys come up with.

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The Wall Street Journal and even left-wing NY Times both say the revelations are significant and criminal.

Not only is the Obama legacy shot, we may see him and Hillary Clinton in orange jumpsuits before all is said and done.

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@Superlib - I am for government transparency. If the allegations are true then they are fairly damning. The vote to release the document was 100% on partisan lines, there is no denying that. After all spying on a U.S. citizen should require some very substantial reason (although these days I do not think it does...not only based on this case). I want to see how this plays out because I believe it is certainly possible this was a politically motivated action against Carter Page and it definitely would not be the first time this has occurred.

Why do people think Russia wanted Trump in office? To date what benefit has Russia gained?

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In the wake of the President's wildly successful SOTU, booming economy and now the Obamagate bombshell, the latest approval rating for President Trump now stands at 49%. Better than when he was elected.

Bring on the mid-terms!

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the latest approval rating for President Trump now stands at 49%

Is that the average of the polls or just one poll?

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Dodgy Don, you can't fool all the Republicans all the time.....or can you?

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Even if the allegations in this memo are true, it really just seems to be a case of procedure knowingly not being followed correctly. Not dissimilar to a police officer failing to read a suspect their rights other than being deliberate. Unfortunately people get off on these errors... but there is in no way whatsoever any vindication. It's concerning though that Trump tries everything he possibly can to distract and divert attention as soon as it appears investigators are getting close to something. He is hiding something... I have no doubt about that.

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Is that the average of the polls or just one poll?

Translation: Are left-wing politics dead or just on life-support?

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@Nemui - I think the allegations, if true (and I say if) would be a bit more serious than failing to read someone their Miranda rights. I am curious (and not being argumentative) - what do you think he is hiding? And, what benefit does Russia gain from supporting Trump?

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Is that the average of the polls or just one poll?

Translation: Are left-wing politics dead or just on life-support?

It’s a lot shorter to post “one poll”.

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Rasmussen, my good man.

Winning.

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Rasmussen, my good man.

Winning.

Right, one poll it is then.

Why can’t people just post a simple answer to a simple question?

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So Dems now saying the evidence used to get the FISA warrant was presented as being possibly politically affiliated/motivated.

Even if they said so, so which I doubt, there is a biiiiig difference between “political” and actuallly being directly “from Hillary and the DNC”.

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@Tokyo-Engr - yes I agree... More serious but still a very similar principle. I don't know what is being hidden... why I believe something is being hidden is because if there was nothing at all to hide... any other person would let the investigation go ahead and probably do everything they can to help it be completed as quickly as possible. Trump is doing everything he can to deflect. I don't know what Russia has gained other than not having HRC as POTUS. They were quite vocal about that before the election.

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That said... These allegations need to be investigated too

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Update. the latest 49% approval rating was polled BEFORE the wildly successful SOTU, Obamagate and tax cut for working Americans which don't kick in until later this month.

You are right. 49% is misleading. It will be well into the 50s at least!!

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Of course Trump said the probe vindicated him. He released the probe with the intention of claiming it vindicated him. He was always going to say the probe vindicated him. This is not really news. And yet, despite Thompson Reuters making a headline of the message Trump most badly wants spread, he and his supporters will continue to insist that the "establishment media" cannot be trusted.

The White House told Reuters on Friday there would be no changes at the Justice Department as a result of the memo’s conclusions.

This tells us everything we need to know. If the memo actually showed partisan corruption in the FBI, Trump would tear the department apart. He's not making his move because he knows his collusion is real and he knows the FBI are closing in. His only hope is to goad his fanatics into something that subverts the Republic, so he's trashing the department to spread distrust of the institutions that guarantee American liberty.

He's literally turning America against itself for his own personal profit, and the people who puff out their chests and pretend the hardest to be patriots are going along for the ride.

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uh-oh! Zichi with reports Melania didn't hold his hand and someone left the milk out at one of his restaurants!

This will SURELY be the end for Drumph!

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You are right. 49% is misleading. It will be well into the 50s at least!!

Of course it is. It could be 100%.

I can see why some people swallowed Trump’s line about making Mexico pay for the wall.

Maybe it’s the science background, but I can’t get carried away with the findings a single poll in the same way. In some ways, I envy those able to select the data they like to make them happy. I’ll just have to stay miserable and honest and not believe the lady who cuts my hair and tells me how handsome and young-looking I am.

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@Nemui - I agree with most of what you say. I am not a follower of either party and I just want the investigation to be done as soon as practical as it is not good for the presidency or the U.S. to allow this to linger. If it results in showing collusion by Trump or his campaign with a foreign government, of course that would warrant impeachment. If it does not show such collusion then close the case and move on.

The allegations in the memo should be investigated as should the potential/alleged Russian involvement in the U.S. election.

Yes it is interesting to try to ascertain what Russia has gained by having Trump in office. I just do not see it. Could not wanting Clinton in be related to ties between the Ukraine and Ms. Clinton. I do not know and have yet to see what Russia has gained or will gain.

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there is only one poll so far this month. Whenever numbers go up seems liberals don’t like doing polls.

anyway Carter Page still walking around unindicted. If he was a foreign agent who required Trump to be surveilled too due to their association, why hasn’t this been proven?

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Whenever numbers go up seems liberals don’t like doing polls.

I think you’ll find it’s generally Trump supporters who dismiss polling altogether, citing how the polls got the election wrong.

However, single polls showing improved numbers for Trump are not to be dismissed. The polls with lower numbers are MSM drivel for the haters and losers.

It’s quite the mindset.

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So Trump says memo vindicates him. Dem Adam Schiff says it proves “quite the opposite”. So why was Schiff against it being released then? Liberal logic makes no sense.

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Well the Rasmussen poll liberals hate. It got the election right.

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This memo does NOTHING to de-rail the Russia probe, nothing LOL!!!

Answer me this question: How on earth can ANYONE not be biased against trump?

The man is by far his own worst enemy! This stupid memo release CLEARLY shows trump is getting desperate, perhaps a bit scared! That so many repubs have lined up behind this utter fool of a man with leave a MASSIVE asterisk tattooed on all their idiotic foreheads for life!

What an embarrassment the US has become in the eyes of the rest of the world, get rid of the moron in chief, its getting too painful to watch this garbage!!

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This memo does NOTHING to de-rail the Russia probe, nothing LOL!!!

Answer me this question: How on earth can ANYONE not be biased against trump?

The man is by far his own worst enemy! This stupid memo release CLEARLY shows trump is getting desperate, perhaps a bit scared! That so many repubs have lined up behind this utter fool of a man with leave a MASSIVE asterisk tattooed on all their idiotic foreheads for life!

What an embarrassment the US has become in the eyes of the rest of the world, get rid of the moron in chief, its getting too painful to watch this garbage!!

TFW you have total victory

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Tokyo-Engr: I want to see how this plays out because I believe it is certainly possible this was a politically motivated action against Carter Page and it definitely would not be the first time this has occurred.

I understand. This is probably one difference between us. The concern I have is that you're willing to accept, as a standard of evidence, the words of an openly biased political partisan who wrote his own memo out of context with cherry-picked classified information that even the FBI cautioned against. When that becomes the new standard, then each party can spin up an investigation anytime they meet your requirements, which are quite low (in my opinion).

I suppose it comes down to who you think will control Congress more often since you're granting them the power to sideline the entire intelligence community at will. An openly pro-Clinton Congressman with access to confidential information could do the same thing in about 5 minutes. I'd be curious to get your opinion as to how we could safeguard the public against this.

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@SuperLib - Maybe there is a misunderstanding. I am not accepting this as evidence something has been done wrong. I am accepting this as an allegation which should be dispositioned. If the allegation in Paragraph 1 is true and someone was spied on for political reasons it is really bad. I would actually like to safeguard people from being put under surveillance if it is politically motivated. Again, the FBI and the government have engaged in this type of activity before and I think it is wrong regardless of whoever does it.

By the way the Democrats prepared a rebuttal memo which was exclusively given to NBC. Makes for interesting reading.

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/TODAY/z_Creative/inline-headers/FINAL%20DRAFT%20--%20Dear%20Colleague%20on%20Nunes%20Memo.pdf

In the end this is going to end up a partisan fight and probably not in the best interest of the American people.

Was it right for the original memo to be released? There are good arguments both ways. This may allow people willing to read to see further into how the system works or is supposed to work and how dirty the American political system has become. Maybe there is something to that Netflix series, House of Cards.

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This proves absolutely nothing! It was written by Republicans whining that the investigation was getting too close.

1) The dossier was originally funded by Republicans who didn't want him to get the Republican nomination.

2) The Hillary campaign took it over after he won the nomination.

3) All of the people in question are Republicans. Some of them helped Trump during the election like Comey.

This is another distraction ploy by the Republicans! A ploy that was pushed by Fox News and Hannity in particular. Trump is in many ways ignorant and lacking critical thinking skills like other Fox viewers!

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Not only is the Obama legacy shot, we may see him and Hillary Clinton in orange jumpsuits before all is said and done.

Yes, and it is 100% Trump's fault if this does not happen. It's not Hillary' fault if Hillary is not arrested. It's 100% Trump's fault. Trump has to sign the warrants in order to arrest Hillary and Obama. But it is not happening just like....

I can see why some people swallowed Trump’s line about making Mexico pay for the wall.

Yes, Trump really scammed his followers out thinking a wall was going to be built. Think about it: a 50B$ wall that can be defeated with a 50$ Werner ladder (and they do go up to that height and can take a rope down) and even Trump confirms this (check his quotes, really!!).

 the President's wildly successful SOTU, booming economy

And the Mexicans will be sharing this and it's all on Trump with all the gaping holes in the border because of no wall. The Mexican illegals as they cross the border with no Trump's Great Wall will be stealing jobs from the this boom economy and sending it all the money back to Mexico. It will ruin Trump's boom economy and it's all Trump with no wall. What good is there a booming economy if all the illegals steal the jobs?

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Yes, Trump really scammed his followers out thinking a wall was going to be built. Think about it: a 50B$ wall that can be defeated with a 50$ Werner ladder (and they do go up to that height and can take a rope down) and even Trump confirms this (check his quotes, really!!).

a $50 ladder?? Jeez, I guess US special forces must not have thought about that in their testing...

https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/special-forces-conduct-border-wall-tests/

And the Mexicans will be sharing this and it's all on Trump with all the gaping holes in the border because of no wall. The Mexican illegals as they cross the border with no Trump's Great Wall will be stealing jobs from the this boom economy and sending it all the money back to Mexico. It will ruin Trump's boom economy and it's all Trump with no wall. What good is there a booming economy if all the illegals steal the jobs?

Clear hatred of America. Check.

But thats a Democrat for ya. As long as illegals are voting Democrat, who cares if the country goes down the tubes..

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There is literally nothingn in the memo. Republican manufactured outrage once again.

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According to Trump anyone in the Federal government who is critical of him or his administration needs to be purged. Furthermore due to his own inadequacies and insecurity he won’t acknowledge the role Russia played in trying to disrupt our election and continues to try to do so. He provides no leadership in dealing with this threat. As a result he is a clear and present danger to our national security, and is failing in his role as Commander in Chief.

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Jeez, I guess US special forces must not have thought about that in their testing...

First there is no wall to test and according to Trump:

"There's no ladder going over that," Trump says about a 50-foot high wall. "If they ever get up there they're in trouble, 'cause there's no way to get down," Trump insists, then concedes, "Maybe a rope."

Ladders have always been able to go over walls. And ropes down. Trump's quote proves it. Always have and always will. Trump failed even before he began. And don't forget about shovels. And the Mexican drug traffickers will just use catapults to sling the drugs over.

Clear hatred of America. Check.

Mexicans don't have America. They want all those jobs that Trump is creating. They love Trump. But Trump is failing his voters with no wall. Also, has there ever been a wall build on a river? No, structurally impossible. You can't build a wall on the Rio Grand.

It's so funny. No wall and even if there was Mexico won't pay. The Mexicans will take all those new jobs Trump created then bring back the cash tax free. All on Trump. It's Trump's fault.

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M3M3M3: " And this is why Trump is an idiot."

Ha ha ha ha ha ha, watch the "idiot" get re-elected in a landslide in 2020!

Oh my...

BREAKING: TRUMP CAN FIRE ROSENSTEIN FOR FISA ABUSES AND INTIMIDATION OF DEVIN NUNES

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw-6mFqrzUU

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Tokyo-Engr: Maybe there is a misunderstanding. I am not accepting this as evidence something has been done wrong. I am accepting this as an allegation which should be dispositioned

Well I will have to be patient, then. Perhaps there will be a time in the future when Democrats control Congress and an openly biased Democrat creates his own evidence by cherry-picking classified information and giving it to the media. It's nice to know that you will be useful to us in that situation.

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https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/special-forces-conduct-border-wall-tests/

Nothing there mentioning ladders, shovels, and catapults. Proof that these walls will be a scam. But they won't be built anyway. Trump would have to become a dictator in order to build it- like the Great Wall of China. Trump voters like to mention that. But China's wall was built with slave labor and 1M people died. A lot of people were buried under China's wall. Trump's wall idea is a scam and Trump voters believe him. It's so funny. They think a wall can be built on a river. What wall in the word is built like that and the Rio Grande is very long. Time to buy Werner ladder stock.

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Super: "Perhaps there will be a time in the future when Democrats control Congress"

Yeah, they did such a bang up job when they were in power last time, lol

Oh my...

Judge Jeanine: They needed reason to spy, so they made it up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-l1BdnG9v6E

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If frump feels that he is vindicated, why did he fire comey.

why did he try to fire mueller.

why did Flynn make a plea deal.

and why were manafort and popadopalos indicted.

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Trump is simply stating a fact, and there is not enough lipstick in the world to beautify this pig. Clinton, the DNC, and their activist hacks in the FBI and DOJ have committed treason. It is sight to behold though to see the fake corporate media trying to twist this into something else, including this misleading article here itself.

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Trump is simply stating a fact, and there is not enough lipstick in the world to beautify this pig.

Now that's just rude. The most powerful man in the world shouldn't be judged on his looks alone....

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lucabrasi - I enjoy a good smart-aleck-ey joke more than the next man, but dear god.

when theres nothing there, don't stretch....

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"why were manafort and popadopalos indicted."

The big question is why hasn't Hillary Clinton been indicted? Hint: Deep State

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@clamenza

Just trying to make the best of depressing reality : )

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I fail to see how the treasonous Trump is "vindicated" by the memo. Smacks of the usual desperation and the probe moving ever closer.

There's no doubt about obstruction, though.

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"why did he fire comey."

Because he was such a bad FBI Director. Heck, even the Democrats hated Comey when he re-opened the "investigation" of Clinton.

Oh my...

Jarrett: Those we expect to uphold the law are breaking it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlG1JKYGVv0

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The big question is why hasn't Hillary Clinton been indicted? Hint: Deep State

No, it's Trump's fault. Trump promised to have her impeached and prosecuted and he failed. He failed at having Hillary arrested. He failed at having Obama arrested for his wiretapping. He failed at building the wall so because of this failure all the Mexicans will take the jobs in Trump's recovered American economy.

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@Superlib - I am really not interested in being "useful" to any political party. I am an American, albeit have not lived there for a very long time, and I assume you are too. What I would rather see is the government do what is in the best interest of the American people, regardless of political party. I tend to think for myself on these issues and often get the wrath of those on both extremes; so be it. The release of this memo, coupled with the Democratic response (which I just noticed today) makes for interesting reading and these are quite interesting to read and provide an interesting insight to our corrupt government.

In the big picture, this probably is going to have no impact on anything. For those thinking critically at all it is obvious this certainly does not exonerate Trump or necessarily prove anything. It does pose some interesting questions I would like to see answered.

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Not what the FLOTUS thinks over the porngate!

Don't worry, like everything else, it’s going to fall flat.

I could care less who the President is sleeping with, even when Clinton was with Lewinsky, didn’t bother me, I just thought he should have done it privately in his own spare time and not in the Oval Office.

I fail to see how the treasonous Trump is "vindicated" by the memo.

Very easy, now that’s is out there and official that the FBI and the DNP used a phony dossier in order to obtain a FISA warrent authorizing a few crooked cops to take down a sitting President, because of this revelation, the FBI is tarnished and so far McCabe, Strzok, Page, Ohr and his wife have all been removed from their positions and this is only the beginning and one thing about the FBI is they don’t want under any circumstance a tarnished image, next the State Department and probably a second counsel will be appointed to investigate these top officials, something they absolutely want to avoid. The Memo was never meant to bring arrest warrants raining down like candy, the memo was released to show how the FBI was weaponized to unseat a President, now that the these agencies are being closely scrutinized we will see where this will go, this is completely separate from the Mueller investigation which is still going on, so while the left want to continue with their search for finding out if Trump did something illegal and collided with the Russians, the right will begin to dig deeper with their own investigation and see who knew what, when and why.

Smacks of the usual desperation and the probe moving ever closer.

Both sides, you are right.

There's no doubt about obstruction, though

Between the DNP, the FBI and DOJ, in all likelihood.

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Mueller investigation which is still going on

Trump is very weak if he can't fire him just like he can't get Hillary impeached.

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Because he was such a bad FBI Director. Heck, even the Democrats hated Comey when he re-opened the "investigation" of Clinton.

Yeah. He was pretty bad. One does not, if one is a civil servant, open up speculative arguments regarding presidential candidates days before the election. On the other hand, noting foreign intervention in an election that had occurred is kinda his job.

Trump seems to be throwing his lot in with Manafort and that Greek guy - Papadoupolus?. Time for discrimination: white guy who launders Russian money or brown guy who can't drink without blabbing? Or maybe both? Or neither? (unlikely). Anyway, Trump's got himself involved with a cadre of characters even worse than he had when with a TV show. Good luck with that. (What ever happened to Trump's taxes? - might be well related with Manafort and Russian money laundering. Perhaps someday this will all be elucidated.)

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@SuperLib

Tough to pull off. Trump would have to say something to the effect of, "The FBI is corrupt and we can't trust the Special Council, so I'm happy to announce that the FBI will be starting a Special Council to look into this." Awkward. 

I don't really follow. The appointment of a second special counsel would be made by the AG. The FBI does not play any role.

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@Serrano

watch the "idiot" get re-elected in a landslide in 2020!

I'm also of the opinion that Trump will be re-elected in 2020 (if he runs) but that doesn't preclude him from being an idiot. If he excercised a bit of restraint it would disarm many of his critics.

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I don't really follow. The appointment of a second special counsel would be made by the AG. The FBI does not play any role.

Yeah. That's kind of when the awkward part starts. See, if you appoint all of these guys yourself, it's kind of difficult to claim that they're beholden to the previous administration - or, wait, some kind of "deep state"! So they notice troubling events and try to look into them and you don't like that but, then again, you hired them. So now you're in rather a pickle. What to do? You could let events take their natural course - unless you have something to hide.

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Trump's got himself involved with a cadre of characters even worse than he had when with a TV show.

When he made a crap load of mad loot.

Good luck with that. (What ever happened to Trump's taxes? - might be well related with Manafort and Russian money laundering. Perhaps someday this will all be elucidated.)

Or maybe not.

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M3M3M3: I'm also of the opinion that Trump will be re-elected in 2020 (if he runs) but that doesn't preclude him from being an idiot. If he excercised a bit of restraint it would disarm many of his critics.

Trumps re-election chances depend upon how radical his 2020 opponent turns out to be. The only way a guy like Trump could get elected in the first place is because American culture is broken. The Dems nominated a candidate that the FBI director said mishandled classified information but then refused to hold her to account for it. That was just wrong. The FBI used Russian sourced opposition research funded by Hillary Clinton’s election campaign, and the FBI itself, to go after the surprise Republican nominee and now president. And how is it that a senior executive in the FBI can have a spouse working for Clinton’s opposition research firm and then used her to maintain contact with the firm even after the source was found unreliable by others in the FBI. It all stinks to high heaven.

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The released memo is partisan - if it is for transparency, then all memos should be released, including opposing memos. Then let people decide

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You guys can downvote me all you like, but remember these words. Trump will just get more and more popular from now on. He’s turned a corner with the SOTU speech, this memo, the tax cuts kicking in, and .....the totally hopeless Democrats.

Everyone said he wouldn’t win the Republican nomination. Then they said he wouldn’t win the election. They they said he’d give up. Then they said......and they were all wrong.

Trump is became President, is still President, and America is much better off.

To be able to do this in spite of constant over the top attacks from media, celebrities, Pelosi, Maxine, Hillary and co, and of course the liberal social media warriors - is the most remarkable political story most of us have seen.

Democrats look worse everyday, and Trump looks better.

Wait a few weeks and he’ll be over 50%..

But please go ahead. Convince Hillary to run again.

Anyone who voted for Hillary needs help. If I were a Democrat I’d be livid with your leadership.

Nancy Pelosi.....? That the best you can do?

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but then refused to hold her to account for it.

Then how come Trump have her prosecuted and reopen the case. He has the power to do so. It's Trump's fault that Hillary is not behind bars. Not Hillary's.

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Then how come Trump have her prosecuted and reopen the case. He has the power to do so. It's Trump's fault that Hillary is not behind bars. Not Hillary's.

Well since the #resistance has successfully hamstrung Trump politically with the bogus Russia collusion investigation it has become impossible for him to effectively run the DOJ and FBI. Hopefully the DOJ’s Inspector General who is scheduled to issue his report on the Hillary investigation matter and more will in a month or so this grievous miscarriage of justice will be rectified. It is an acknowledged fact that Hillary Clinton exposed and mishandled highly classified documents. Regular citizens are in jail today for the same thing. The entire investigation was mishandled and tainted by Comey and Loretta Lynch. If the powerful are held to a lower standard than the average citizen, the government loses legitimacy.

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Well since the #resistance has successfully hamstrung Trump politically with the bogus Russia collusion investigation it has become impossible for him to effectively run the DOJ and FBI. 

No, it's an excuse. Trump is charge. He has the power to have Hillary arrested. But he is failing. NO WALL. NO MUSLIM BAN. NO HILLARY ARREST NO DECLARING CHINA CURRENCY MANIPULATOR. He is talking about returning to TPP and Paris deal. He is failing his voters.

The entire investigation was mishandled and tainted by Comey and Loretta Lynch.

She was never tried and found "not guilty". That means they can go back to convicting Hillary. Trump has failed his followers because Hillary walks free. It's 100% Trump's fault. People are retried all the time if the investigation falls through. It's all on Trump. 100%. Proof of Trump's incompetence.

Anyone who voted for Hillary needs help.

What kind of help. Trump voters are brainwashed because he fails at everything.

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The only way a guy like Trump could get elected in the first place is because American culture is broken. 

Yeah, well, that and the 3,000,000 popular votes Clinton exceeded Trump. But popularity is clearly not how Americans elect presidents anymore. Ask Bush.

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The Nunes memo spells it out line and verse that the last election was indeed tampered with by a foreigner: Christopher Steele, a British citizen who concocted a bogus dossier based on false information fed to him by the Russians and then passed it on to the Clinton campaign/DNC who presented it to The Deep State and, in turn, used the false narrative to secure a FISA warrant to spy on President Trump and his people. MacCabe said in testimony in December the warrant would have not been issued without the fake Steele dossier.

The democrats -- blinded by hatred from the shellacking they received on Nov. 8, 2016 -- tried their damnedest to overthrow a duly elected president an failed miserably; proving once again that liberalism is a mental disorder. . . .

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On the contrary, Dotard -- Nunes memo already DEBUNKED as rubbish. And now several congressional Republicans shall be accompanying you IN JAIL for OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE. The NOOSE around your NECK is TIGHTENING.

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The Nunes memo spells it out line and verse that the last election was indeed tampered with by a foreigner: Christopher Steele, a British citizen who concocted a bogus dossier based on false information fed to him by the Russians and then passed it on to the Clinton campaign/DNC who presented it to The Deep State and, in turn, used the false narrative to secure a FISA warrant to spy on President Trump and his people. 

And it did so in 3 1/2 pages!

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@M3M3M3

"I'm also of the opinion that Trump will be re-elected in 2020 (if he runs) but that doesn't preclude him from being an idiot..."

So, you're saying that a candidate with zero political experience who against all odds, beat, according to then POTUS Barack Obama, the most qualified candidate in history, backed by the media, Hollywood, the POTUS himself and his wife, and was also up against the Republican establishment, is an idiot? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

"... if he exercised a bit of restraint it would disarm many of his critics"

His supporters don't want him to exercise restraint, they like how he tells it like it is and doesn't give us a bunch of bs unlike most politicians. His critics can go take a hike. The race card they keep playing is getting played out. It's about as worn out as a pack of cards in a penitentiary.

Oh my...

FISA Fallout #3: Gowdy Comments, Media Fails at Propaganda, FISA Memo Just the Start

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0HndQe-3EY

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 they like how he tells it like it is

I don't doubt that. Some of us may also like that he restricts himself to "telling" and not actually doing much. It generally helps those of us living in non-American countries. But it's a bizarre situation to be in.

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nishikat: She was never tried and found "not guilty". That means they can go back to convicting Hillary.

That’s true. I hope she is convicted before she dies of old age.

Laguna: Yeah, well, that and the 3,000,000 popular votes Clinton exceeded Trump. But popularity is clearly not how Americans elect presidents anymore. Ask Bush.

Trump won 30 of 50 states. If Democrats cared to read the Constitution and did not spend all their efforts undermining it, they would know that America is a union of states, not large cities. Republicans are focused on winning by the rules where urban and rural voters have a voice. Dems care only about big cities. If winning the popular vote was in the Constitution then Republicans would need a different strategy. Maybe Dems should start thinking about poor and lower class whites instead of yelling “racist” at them all the time.

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Tokyo-Engr: Yes it is interesting to try to ascertain what Russia has gained by having Trump in office. I just do not see it.

Most of it will probably always be speculation as to why the Russians invested so heavily, and still do, in supporting Trump.

One obvious benefit is Trump's refusal to act on their election meddling, even choosing Putin's word over his own intelligence services. It also greatly benefits Russia (and any country) for Trump to choose corrupt people for his staff. Corrupt people can be blackmailed, looking at you Manafort and Flynn.

You also have Trump and his people actively trying to undercut the credibility of his own agencies, and that's a huge benefit to Putin.

Did Putin plan on these specific benefits? Doubtful. But obviously he spent a great deal of blood and treasure helping Trump and Trump has responded by largely taking a knee.

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when theres nothing there, don't stretch.... you mean Trumps hairpiece trying to cover his bald patch, dude you just keep producing the quotes that are "ripe for the picking" bit like FBI classified information that Trump likes to cherry pick also, see what I did there LOL

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If winning the popular vote was in the Constitution then Republicans would need a different strategy. 

Wolf, fortunately, they have plenty of strategies foe winning when the popular vote is required! They run the gamut from voter suppression to Gerrymandering so egregious the party is in constant conflict with the courts. Fortunately, Trump is likely the final gasp of that particular demographic.

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The memo proves his innocence? Which memo did he read? The one I read clearly showed that the rationale for the FISA warrants, and the investigation, are based on solid evidence. What other comment should we expect, from a man who still insists that his inaugural crowd was the largest in history?

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one needs to see what is separation of powers what is recommended in the American constitution. if seen constitution professor view stands firm on constitutional proprieties, Steve Vladeck, a professor of constitutional law at the University of Texas-Austin, said it was unprecedented for the president to feud so publicly with leaders of the U.S. intelligence agencies.

“You do long-term damage to these institutions if you convince a large swath of the American public that they can’t be trusted,” he said.

Again one needs to see if Trump and GOP think they are greater institution if they are not complicit with Russians of Putin Russia, why should they feel jittery on investigation is another question emerges - any way in the U.S today serious Constitutional crisis like 2008 sub prime has emerged, soon issues might complicate, as USSC may be approached by the Judicial committee against the Memo of GOP that would make matters still worse for republicans so many republicans seems to have distanced themselves, for democrat members of senate and congress would press for Art 25 to rise up, for trust is ultimately important in any democracy - if trust on institutions like FBI and judicial committee surfaces, who will have trust on president or the GOP too. A lot of ifs and buts do arise, Anyway Mr Trump is not a seasoned man in politics and he might get snared too soon , if not otherwise.

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Doesn't vindicate him in one bit -- in fact, he's as treasonous as ever.

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Doesn't vindicate him in one bit --

In a way, it does, doesn’t have anything to do with the ongoing investigation or farce, but at least we know the FBI lied through their teeth.

in fact, he's as treasonous as ever

The FBI and the DOJ, yes, it would be seen as a treasonous act.

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Clearly, this president is delusional. The info in the memo is a smoking gun, justifying the Russian-Trump probe. It was written by Republicans, released by the President, and shows clearly why the FISA warrants were issued......to try to get to the bottom of how much collusion there was between the Trump people, and the Putin people.

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The FBI did not lie through its teeth. This is just another conservative dream they think will come true if they repeat it often and loud enough.

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to try to get to the bottom of how much collusion there was between the Trump people, and the Putin people.

What collusion? Is there anything more than delusional theories about how Trump colluded with Putin? Where is the smoking gun? Did Trump pay for opposition research from a former British spy who hates Trump and got his intel from Kremlin opperatives? No that was Hillary. Yet somehow Comey and the rest of the FBI seem completely okay with that. They even helped pay for it. Let that sink in - the FBI paid for solacious and unverified opposition research on a major political candidate for president. Do Dems think that is okay? They must because they never even try to refute it.

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Now that we know the FISA court was aware of the political motivations driving the dossier, conservatives have lost a leg from which to yell about the FBI "lying" to the courts. Hilarious.

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The FBI should never ever espouse a preference for any candidate of any party in any election, period.

Right, it shouldn't express a preference. It should go after criminals like Trump (money laundering, influence pedaling, abuse of power). Which is what it's doing.

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No that was Hillary. 

Yes, Hillary committed murders and bribes and Trump is not going after her. He is failing his followers. You need to look at Trump for this failure of justice and not Hillary. Hillary is no longer president, but according to a Hannity and Friends poll they think she should still be impeached.

That’s true. I hope she is convicted before she dies of old age.

If it doesn't happen then it's Trump's fault.

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smith: "he's as treasonous as ever."

Well, then, you and Maxine Waters had better team up and get him IMPEACHED already!

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

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