Trump signs order seeking to overhaul U.S. elections, including requiring proof of citizenship

Proof of citizenship?! That's a tough bar. I've got my passport, but most people do not have that document. What will they have to show?

You can’t vote as a legal Resident either, just like we gringos can’t vote HERE, unless they finally changed it. (Don’t know if that ever went through)

“in four years, you don’t have to vote again. We’ll have it fixed so good, you’re not gonna have to vote.” Trump (26 July 2024)

Sorry America, but I don't think there will be free or fair elections. Trump will restrict free speech and shut down 'fake' news media. He will 'impeach' judges who stand against him and his next re-election. That's where America is going.

Many would be disenfranchised this way, but don't worry about the billionaires and other elites who have passports and plenty of documents proving they are legit.

Same as Germans in 1933..

Same kind of regime..

yet the Democrats are the ones going around painting swastikas on stuff, no?

if you are an American citizen, you now have nearly 2 years to obtain a document, and only if you want to vote. That’s not unreasonable.

If you are an American citizen it is very easy to prove. This is only a challenge for people who are illegally staying.

Securing the integrity of elections is long overdue.

As the article indicates, dems will oppose it - the question is their motive in doing so.

In my country if you want to vote you need to show your ID card,with your name,surname,address,photo and personal number.

Just wondering how is possible to vote in USA without this basic check?

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In my country if you want to vote you need to show your ID card,with your name,surname,address,photo and personal number.

Just wondering how is possible to vote in USA without this basic check?

Your JT name makes it look like you are from New Zealand. You do not need a driver's license or any other ID card to vote in elections. Every voter gets an EasyVote card after they enroll.

Requiring an ID means the voter needs a drivers' license or passport to vote. This disenfranchises many people who have neither.

President Donald Trump on Tuesday signed a sweeping executive action to overhaul elections in the U.S., including requiring documentary proof of citizenship to register to vote in federal elections and demanding that all ballots be received by Election Day.

This is completely unnecessary and a way to disenfranchise voters.

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If you are an American citizen it is very easy to prove.

How?

This is only a challenge for people who are illegally staying.

People who are illegally staying won't be able to register to vote in the first place.

So this solves nothing.

It was either Iowa or Kansas that tried this. Here is where it falls apart. It turns out that about 12% of the population were born in military base hospitals either in the US or abroad that no longer exist. There are literally no birth records for these people but they are US citizens. And obtw a hospital birth certificate is not proof for legal purposes. You need something from a County Recorder. But what if the base in that county closed decades ago and there are no records of your birth with the county? Real life. If you were born on a military base that is Federal land. The county has no jurisdiction and probably no records. Even tougher luck if you born on a now closed base overseas like RAF Upper Hayford, Rhine Main AB or Wheelus AB in Libya ( closed when Ghadaffi booted the former king ). Good luck finding birth records.

The second problem is married women who took their husband's last name. Their birth certificates if they can find them will reflect their birth name, not their married name. They then have to source marriage records. Often these records are from different states and not the state the voter lives in now. Figure born in one city, parents moved a couple of times, maybe out of state, went to school in another state, got married and moved again. Add in divorces and remarriages. Documenting all this is going to be a nightmare and end up punishing US citizens who legitimately have a right to vote.

If you are an American citizen it is very easy to prove. 

Not so easy. Think about a woman who is on say her second husband who took her first husbands last name, then changed back to her maiden name upon divorce ( or maybe didn't) then remarried and took her new husband's last name. Her birth certificate won't reflect either married name. Assume all the documents are in different counties and possibly in different states. Lots of us move during our lives. Proving who you are, collecting all the necessary documents to prove your name changes, is not so easy as you assume.

Now throw in the surprisingly large number of US citizens born on military bases that no longer exist and for which no records exist. Real life. They are US citizens. Are you going to deny them their right to vote?

12% of the population were born in military base hospitals either in the US or abroad

were they really?

well, you have your base hospital birth certificate that you took the the embassy for a Report of Birth Abroad certificate as part of the mandatory base process. That you then used to get a passport to travel back to USA.

parents didn’t do that and/or lost both your certificates and all your previous passports? Doesnt sound like “blame Trump” would be the correct response.

Remember last time you checked for voter fraud you found more votes for Biden after spending thousands of hours and millions of dollars.

Didn’t hear much about voter fraud last November. Weird

Requiring a valid ID to prove eligibility to vote is nothing controversial, it is just plain common sense.

The primary goal of the Democrats should be to put together a strong enough ticket to make sure this travesty of a president does not make it back into the White House.

Requiring a valid ID to prove eligibility to vote is nothing controversial, it is just plain common sense.

That is not what is being proposed here. That already exists.

Are you going to deny them their right to vote?

no more than you should be allowing non citizens to vote by claiming all your wild and convoluted scenarios apply to them and why they can’t prove citizenship.

are these type of people voting prior to today? How?

Maybe you just solved the mystery of how non citizens have been voting.

Proving who you are, collecting all the necessary documents to prove your name changes, is not so easy as you assume.

you made your life complicated. “Not easy”doesn’t not equal “can’t”.

Again how are such people voting now? I’m a citizen, trust me?

At least Trump is making it crystal clear that acquiescence is not an option.

it’s clearly shown here the multitude of ways to get proof of citizenship whether born in the US or abroad.

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/how-apply/citizenship-evidence.html