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What a travesty this president is.

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Forcing people to buy something they don't want is un-American.

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Trump is a blowhard and a spineless bully who doesn't yet, despite repeated rebuffs, know the limits of the Executive. 

It's good that REAL republicans are finally coming out to disown him, and the last to give up on him seems to be McConnell, whom the sun will set on shortly. Trump is weak sauce for a country that deserves so much more than a hobbled Democracy.

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Trump is threatening to hurt poor people unless congressional Republicans do more to hurt poor people. What a master class in negotiation.

It may take a while, but eventually everyone is going to hate this vile man.

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As I said before this fool started his reign, the current potus is the biggest, clearest threat to the USA at this time

Something needs to be done about it, cuff him & put him in a cell for christs sake!

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He's an idiot. This program takes no government money; it was set up to ease the transition so that insurance companies which had underestimated their costs could be compensated by those who had overestimated. That's why we've seen that spike than plateau in premiums: they got the ingredients right.

And Trump's implied threat to Congress is ironic. It was the Republicans who came up with the idea of requiring congress to be subject to the ACA. There was no reason for this - most companies and government organizations bargain with insurance companies, their size giving them an advantage - but the Repubs wanted the Dems to fear the taste of what an average American feels. And the Dems said, fine, bring it on. So, really, Trump is again threatening the Repubs.

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Forcing people to buy something they don't want is un-American.

Yeah, Americans are a little too selfish to be paying into something that benefits the people rather than just themselves.

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I'm still waiting for the day that I get up in the morning, see what Trump said and feel like he said something intelligent. Been waiting since he started running last year.

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Forcing people to buy something they don't want is un-American.

And yet plenty of people in America pay far more than money because of the totally American 2nd.

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@Strangerland

Yeah, Americans are a little too selfish to be paying into something that benefits the people rather than just themselves.

Is that supposed to be an insult? I want to put my family before other families. Is that wrong? When the govt does something bad that directly harms my family, I will speak up, write letters, make phone calls, send faxes, let my unhappiness known - with FACTS.

Do you realize that just under 50% of people in America with corporate insurance plans don't pay anything to help with the ACA costs? To be "fair", each of those people should have $300/month added to their insurance bills too. After all, that would be much less than the monthly increases I've seen.

My family is screwed because I don't have a corporate job with health insurance. Prior to the ACA, I was looking to hire a few more employees. Not anymore. THAT is the bottom line.

Limiting my choice of health insurance is wrong. If I'm happy with a plan that covers only huge expenses, why must I be forced to buy a plan that is 4x the cost and covers things I'll never need?

Effectively, I've been told that I can't eat where I like because it doesn't have extras that some govt group thinks it should, so I'm only allowed to eat at these 4 restaurants - there are 4 plans in my state which meet the ACA requirements. In 2016, there were 8 plans.

If you aren't buying ACA coverage thru the market, please go away.

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Is that supposed to be an insult?

More a fact of the matter statement. I guess it's up to you to decide whether you're insulted by it

I want to put my family before other families. Is that wrong? 

Only if you care about the health and welfare of your society.

And lets be clear, the term health insurance is a misnomer. Insurance is something you buy in case something goes wrong at some point. Health issues are something everyone will face at some point. It's health care, not health insurance.

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Prior to the ACA, I was looking to hire a few more employees. Not anymore. THAT is the bottom line.

There is no denying that Obamacare needs fixing. But 'fixing' is the key word.

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What a hate filled, nasty , vindictive man. This President doesn't understand the concept of democracy.

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What a hate filled, nasty , vindictive man. This President doesn't understand the concept of democracy.

I don't think it was democracy that the Dems decided to overtake the entire healthcare industry and FORCE me to buy something I didn't like and PAY for provisions that I never wanted to pay or don't need to carry someone else on my policy, that to me is very un-American!

I'm just looking forward to watch Obamacare crash and burn. Sure, I blame the GOP for making promises they can't keep or never really intended to, but I also blame the Democrats for implementing this crap. Congress is just awful, they all need to serve just 2 term limits, these people are too comfortable in their jobs, drunk with power and privilege have great salaries, free healthcare, curtesy of the US tax payer and don't have to worry about anything, why would they ever see any urgency in all of this?

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 Sure, I blame the GOP for making promises they can't keep or never really intended to, but I also blame the Democrats for implementing this crap.

Gee, thaaat's terrible...you lose both ways. Too bad, for you. Sure is getting tougher to defend donny the idiot, and the 'pubs, eh?

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Gee, thaaat's terrible...you lose both ways. Too bad, for you.

No, too bad for the country.

Sure is getting tougher to defend donny the idiot, and the 'pubs, eh?

Hmmm...I don't see Trump as the problem, the GOP on the other hand....

I never liked the GOP, I tolerated them but at least they're not on a social feel good PC driven agenda like the Dems the GOP are spineless and cowardly incompetent fools

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Hmmm...I don't see Trump as the problem, the GOP on the other hand....

I distinctly remember Don the Con promising to end Obamacare. Huh, weird.

Pro tip: If GoP wants to pass a healthcare bill, actually make a bill that gets people insurance, not take it away from them.

In the meantime, sooo much winning teehee ;)

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Not much thinking going on for some: Who pays for the various police services, the fire service, postal service, interstates, etc, etc. OMG YOUR dollars do! You put money into a system that helps others!!! Socialized policing! OH MY! Socialized fire service! OH MY!... etc.

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Man, what kind of bubble does Trump live in to think this is going to work?

Several votes held on Trumpcare and the only thing accomplished through repeating them has been to see Trump rebuffed again and again. At this point he's practically running a tutorial on how and why the GOP should resist the Trump regime.

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There is no denying that Obamacare needs fixing. But 'fixing' is the key word.

Obamacare is broken and cannot be put back together.

Premiums didn’t go down by $2,500 for the average family—they went up by nearly $3,000! There is no fix. if it were possible it would have already happened. It's all talk.

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On health care America is so third world...When a Country has such a massive defense budget but not wiling to give free health care to its people something is seriously backwards...

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Duuh, Thats why the country is called America. Not the U.K, Not Japan

I've never committed a crime nor been the victim of one. And I never intend for either to happen to me. Why do I have to pay taxes for a police force or judicial system? Doesn't directly affect me.

Ditto for the military. What have they done for me? I demand a tax refund.

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I distinctly remember Don the Con promising to end Obamacare. Huh, weird.

If you want to throw rocks, throw it at the inept Congress.

Pro tip: If GoP wants to pass a healthcare bill, actually make a bill that gets people insurance, not take it away from them.

In the meantime, sooo much winning teehee ;)

Oh, please and what do the Democrats propose on how to solve this issue? Wait, they haven't won any elections, so I guess we won't know, but if the last 8 years of rising premiums and unnecessary provisions are an indicator of what they call problem solving, then we are all doomed.

On health care America is so third world...When a Country has such a massive defense budget but not wiling to give free health care to its people something is seriously backwards...

There is no such thing as FREE healthcare, someone has to pay for it. I personally find it backwards that we have to help everyone when they get into a pickle, so how about they spend some money on their military, bring it up to speed and depend less on the US, then we don't have to hear other countries complain about the US intervening in other peoples businesses.

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Wait, they haven't won any elections, so I guess we won't know,

So that's how democracy works. Lord of the Flies. With Trump as Jack and the Democrats as Piggy.

so how about they spend some money on their military, bring it up to speed and depend less on the US, then we don't have to hear other countries complain about the US intervening in other peoples businesses.

Who are you referring to?

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So that's how democracy works. Lord of the Flies. With Trump as Jack and the Democrats as Piggy.

Why were you so silent the last 8 years?

Who are you referring to?

Pretty much every ally we have.

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Pretty much every ally we have.

OK then. Which of our cheapskate allies would you say is the most egregious offender?

Anyway, your main point seems to be that if America's allies spent more on military hardware and conflicts, you'd be all for the US slashing its own defense budget and putting that money into government-run, single-payer healthcare for all citizens? Am I right?

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OK then. Which of our cheapskate allies would you say is the most egregious offender?

Seriously? Lol

Anyway, your main point seems to be that if America's allies spent more on military hardware and conflicts,

In conflicts where they ask for American assistance, yes.

you'd be all for the US slashing its own defense budget and putting that money into government-run, single-payer healthcare for all citizens? Am I right?

No.

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bass4funkToday 12:41 pm JST

In conflicts where they ask for American assistance, yes.

Who's asking for american assistance ?

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No.

Then don't hide behind the excuse of, 'we need to use healthcare money for defense.' That's just cowardly.

I wish Republicans would grow a pair and just admit they couldn't care less about the poor.

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Then don't hide behind the excuse of, 'we need to use healthcare money for defense.' That's just cowardly. 

You think that, I don't.

I wish Republicans would grow a pair and just admit they couldn't care less about the poor.

I wish Democrats would grow a pair and just stop thinking that everyone in this country has to be forced something they don't want, because to many of us, that's not caring, it's fascism.

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I wish Republicans would grow a pair and just admit they couldn't care less about the poor.

I'd like to see more honesty than that and see them admit they think the poor deserve to die younger.

I'd like them to say this after praying.

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The GOP will is broken.

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Forcing people to buy something they don't want is un-American.

This seems to be the latest GOP marching order despite the fact that the issue has been discussed over years at length and validated by the Supreme Court.

More importantly, it completely lacks intellectual honesty. It was Reagan who guaranteed the uninsured a free pass at emergency rooms to prevent the embarrassment of their dying on the sidewalk, but this entailed costs, which were covered by federal subsidies (read: our tax dollars) and jacked-up insurance premiums.

Obamacare drastically reduced these payments. This was acceptable to caregivers as they expected to receive fewer uninsured patients - which would reduce their costs.

Now, for those with the above-quoted views, a simple question: Why should I, who pays a lot to maintain good coverage for my family, pay more for the reckless or lazy who don't? And if they're not required to, they likely won't. Which means that we should simply allow them to die on the sidewalk. That's what Ann Rand would say.

The best solution is single-payer. Then it's simply a tax, just like for national defense and education, and we can rid ourselves of this nonsense, inflated costs, and bloated corporate salaries.

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OK then. Which of our cheapskate allies would you say is the most egregious offender?

Seriously? Lol

Lol isn't a country I'm familiar with. Do they speak English in Lol?

Any other examples of deadbeat allies who don't pay their fair share?

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This is how the US govt treats its citizens who served.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-shameful-way-america-treats-its-veterans-20151111

Trump's latest attempts to brutalise those who are not comfortable and well off is no surprise. It seems to be the American way.

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When asked about the ACA ...

"We consider this tax so badly construed that it should be reconsidered

because it makes no public policy sense," said Jeff Myers, CEO of

Medicaid Health Plans of America.

"I do not feel I am getting anything in return for this," said Tennessee Medicaid Director Darin Gordon.

It is broken.

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I'd like to see more honesty than that and see them admit they think the poor deserve to die younger. 

Well, when the left were running things they didn't care what the people wanted as well, they decided that fascism should be the law of the land and force us to take Obamacare when millions of us were happy with our employee insurance we had. No honesty or integrity whatsoever. If we can't afford coverage, pay for other people's healthcare that's pure hatred.

I'd like them to say this after praying.

if anything, we should be praying that the left come to their senses one day.

Any other examples of deadbeat allies who don't pay their fair share?

Then we should leave NATO since the Europeans don't need us and that would make Russia extremely ecstatic! They can handle it completely without us. Lol

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I'd like to see more honesty than that and see them admit they think the poor deserve to die younger.

Looks like Bass doesn't have the honesty to answer this question directly.

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I don't think it was democracy that the Dems decided to overtake the entire healthcare industry and FORCE me to buy something I didn't like and PAY for provisions that I never wanted to pay or don't need to carry someone else on my policy, that to me is very un-American!

Bass is right as usual. Mob rule is not democracy. It was a mob that forced Obamacare through Congress - the first major social welfare program without bipartisan support.

Dems could have all the Socialism they want as long as they do so outside of the coercive power of the state. But they don't want voluntary healthcare organizations that allow all to have a choice. They believe that they must force all people to participate in their view of how people should live their lives. If socialized medicine is what works then people will participate freely. Forcing people to participate - is the very opposite of freedom.

What the Left fails to appreciate is that in a truly free society, people must be allowed to make their own choices over matters that affect their life, liberty, and happiness. The more the government in America moves away from free choice the further the nation will move away from the thing that made it exceptional among the nations of the world.

Modern Liberalism/Progressism/ Socialism are all about restricting choices (unless you want to terminate the life of a baby of course). Liberals want the state to make life and death decisions rather than individuals and families (see Charlie Gard and all of the Charlie's that no one ever hears about).

Sure, lets help the truly poor, old, and disabled. But let the rest of the people have the freedom choice that a true democracy should provide for.

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Liberals want the state to make life and death decisions rather than individuals and families (see Charlie Gard and all of the Charlie's that no one ever hears about).

Still on about that? You're embarrassing yourself. Try educating yourself instead. 'The State' did not make any life and death decisions regarding Charlie Gard, nor does it make such decisions about anyone else.

Charlie Gard: The Facts - Reaction

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The link didn't come through properly - https://reaction.life/charlie-gard-facts/

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It was a mob that forced Obamacare through Congress - the first major social welfare program without bipartisan support. 

It won the vote. And it wasn't drawn up behind closed doors, like some other proposals I've heard about recently. The ACA was based on a Heritage Foundation plan, intended as a moderate compromise to conservatives who couldn't stomach a single-payer plan, but the GOP congress didn't want to give Obama any credit, so they opposed it tooth and nail. And they built up this phony narrative that Obamacare was "socialism". It was pure partisanship, and now the GOP has no reasonable way out. They painted themselves into a corner.

Dems could have all the Socialism they want as long as they do so outside of the coercive power of the state. But they don't want voluntary healthcare organizations that allow all to have a choice.

Healthcare doesn't work if people can opt out of paying into it. Do you think people should also have the freedom to choose whether or not to pay taxes for services they think they don't need? Is the state being coercive when it forces me to pay taxes for a road in Hokkaido which I will never drive on?

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I didn't like and PAY for provisions that I never wanted to pay or don't need to carry someone else on my policy, that to me is very un-American! and what do you think taxes do, pay for the poors welfare, over bloated military spending on crap that most Americans dont need or want. Health insurance is just another form of tax, instead in a fair system it gives everybody the right to affordable healthcare. Healthcare above all shouldn't be the exclusive right to the middle and upper class, refusing to supply healthcare to somebody because they cant afford to have say a cancer removed is effectively putting a gun to their heads. The 2nd amendment does enough of that already.

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