Trump salutes NRA; asks them to elect Republicans to save gun rights

So we sacrifice more innocent lives just to get elected or re-elected. Sure people kill... people with guns, but far too often accidents happen with guns and those deaths are very preventable. More guns is absolutely not the answer.

What's wrong with Trump saluting the NRA? The NRA supports law and order and gun responsibility.

Democrats kowtows to illegals and are soft on mexican drug lords, like El Chapo.

I didn't read the article, but let me guess anyway: lots and lots and lots of fear stoking about godless liberals taking your guns?

HalwickToday  07:39 am JST

What's wrong with Trump saluting the NRA? The NRA supports law and order and gun responsibility.

That's secondary to their main aim of making gun manufacturers and retailers rich, and going by how ineffectual their support for law and order has been it looks as if the aims are mutually exclusive.

Democrats kowtows to illegals...

Trump kowtows to organisations like the NRA that bankroll his election campaigns. He'd probably kowtow to illegals as well if he thought there was any money to be had from it.

Nobody cares about David Hogg anymore. Those CNN kids have been replaced by Stormy Daniels again. Attacking the president is more important to Dems and CNN than any gun control.

In strikingly personal criticism of members of Congress

I have a low regard for Congress these days, but I think once again Trump's trying to undermine them in his attempt to establish himself in a role like the ones had by Putin and Erdogan. He and his followers want an authoritarian democracy to supplant the Constitution-based separation and balance of powers.

@blackL Nobody cares

I care. Or are you saying only your opinion counts. Bifurcate much? People who see the world in binary terms and continually write divisive posts hurt their cause. Unless their cause is to keep Americans at each other’s throats. That’s the same cause as the troll farmers, isn’t it.

Those CNN

Obsess much?

I simply have no interest in seeing David Hogg’s opinion in every single liberal media article about guns. His father put food on his table by carrying and using guns but I can’t have any? Hypocrisy to say the least.

I have a low regard for Congress these days, but I think once again Trump's trying to undermine them in his attempt to establish himself in a role like the ones had by Putin and Erdogan. He and his followers want an authoritarian democracy to supplant the Constitution-based separation and balance of powers.

Gun holders know the truth and the reality of what will happen over time if the Democrats get back power again, they will slowly, methodically start to chip away at the 2nd amendment and if this is a good move to galvanize the bass to go out and vote.

Obsess much?

As if FNC and Trump haters have room to talk. Smh....

Trump kowtows to organisations like the NRA that bankroll his election campaigns. He'd probably kowtow to illegals as well if he thought there was any money to be had from it.

As an American nationalist, I doubt it.

More guns everywhere. That’s the ticket. Armed guards patrolling parks, schools, churches, neighborhoods, apartment complexes, everywhere! Making the country beautiful and safe. And let’s get those armored personnel carriers out there too, patrolling every town in America. We need AR-15s everywhere!

There are about 230,000,000 eligible voters in the US and only 5,000,000 NRA members. The numbers should speak for themselves. Get out and vote in November everyone!!

More guns everywhere. That’s the ticket. Armed guards patrolling parks, schools, churches, neighborhoods, apartment complexes, everywhere!

Wow! Now the left is worried about big brother?

Making the country beautiful and safe. And let’s get those armored personnel carriers out there too, patrolling every town in America. We need AR-15s everywhere!

Oh, stop! The left will never win on this, they didn’t with prohibition and they will never do it with guns.

Smart strategical move by Trump. The more fear he can incite, the more people will be likely to vote for him (already worked once!) If gun lovers are afraid that the Democrats will take their guns, they will vote against the Democrats, ignoring the fact that the Democrats not only haven't eroded gun rights, they haven't even been able to implements the smallest bits of gun control.

But reality doesn't matter when brainwashing the public with propaganda.

Smart strategical move by Trump. The more fear he can incite, the more people will be likely to vote for him (already worked once!)

Whatever works. Every politician will do whatever to get votes, good strategy.

If gun lovers are afraid that the Democrats will take their guns, they will vote against the Democrats, ignoring the fact that the Democrats not only haven't eroded gun rights, they haven't even been able to implements the smallest bits of gun control.

That’s true, of course the left want to take the guns away and amend of shred the 2nd amendment, not buying for a second they wouldn’t, however, it would be done in small incremental steps, not overtly obvious.

But again, the left want to even try that route, they would never win, the market would always flourish, even if legal or underground.

But at the same time, you have a lot of liberals and Democrats that own guns and are not going to go against the NRA. The other idiot politicians have security with guns, so why would they not speak out, because they don’t have to worry about their safety.

Trump, first time round mislead the evangelicals, this time counting on fans of the NRA.

By mislead, clearly he doesn't hold the same values or really care about what the evangelicals really want, but panders for their vote, and likely he isn't that bigger fan of guns but knows the power and money the NRA has..

Never mind that every time the democrats have been in they, in my opinion, sadly have done little to change gun safety in the US.

Bass4Funk, I believe in all the surveys and polls I have seen the vast majority of law abiding gun owners are in favor of reasonable safer regulations around gun sales, ownership, registration, storage, training and so on..

This all is totally separate to the issues of what would actually work in the US to help with the clear and present gun problem there. This is where partisan politics and thinking is destructive on all sides. Often the left looks at restrictions and policy to try and avoid issues, which can be seen as restrictions of individual rights, and the right is all about punishment and action at the end once something starts going wrong, which other than "getting the bad guy" doesn't really help avoid it in the future. The truth is that it probably needs a bit of both.

Some limits on who can have a gun when and where, and then once they have them that they are embraced as a responsibility rather than a right.

Laws and rules are changed, times change, technology changes, the way we live changes, I really do think this 2nd amendment needs looking at, potentially clarifying.

I guess we can be thankful some other technologies weren't around then,

Car Amendment, no person can be restricted in their use of their automobile, and no law shall be enacted to do so.

Kids driving cars, no license, no registration, no insurance, no speed limit, don't have to obey road signs... you could imagine the arguments..

But we understand clearly that driving a car isn't a right, its a responsibility to you, your family and society, therefore we take on some limits to our absolute right and treat it like a privilege with a few, fairly low, hurdles.

I come from a place where there are guns and you can have them, but there are reasonable restrictions. It seems to work just fine, farmers and people that really want guns have them.. and while I haven't looked into it recently I'm guessing though semi-automatic essentially military style weapons aren't allowed.. nor are you allowed to carry them about the place like some western.. pew pew pew

Every politician will do whatever to get votes, good strategy. thats pathetically sad , when they continue to lie, con, and spread fear throughout society, if your a voter that is weak enough to fall for this crap then you deserve all the blow back that such a leader brings you.

NRA: guns children

I just sat through and watched and listened to Trumpet at the NRA convention on YouTube. do none of the NRA card holders or those Trump supporters ever check facts, because Trump certainly doesn't, so many lies it was hard to keep up. It's amazing in this world of technology you can fact find anything, and, no media influence. The only thing Trump was missing was the long nose, or the red nose and the clowns outfit, whichever, your choice. Comey was right when he said Trump is not morally fit to be president America.

*Every politician will do whatever to get votes, good strategy. **thats pathetically sad , *

Oh, I’m sorry, you thought politicians are all about truth and deep honesty?

when they continue to lie, con, and spread fear throughout society, if your a voter that is weak enough to fall for this crap then you deserve all the blow back that such a leader brings you.

Then we as as a society are all doomed.

A great address from the greatest POTUS of the 21st century. Thank you, President Trump, for visiting The Lone Star State. . . .

Texas has a firearm mortality rate of 10.5 per 100,000 vs. California's 7.9, despite California being more urban.

Some Americans are idiots, but most are rational. This is probably one reason why, while the total number of guns in America continues to climb, the percentage of gun owners is falling. Like alcohol and drugs and other dangerous behavior, the intelligent recognize danger and abstain. So though those packing in public areas still pose a danger to the more prudent, at home, all they risk is their bloodline. Even absent legislation, attrition appears trending towards the same result

Sensible gun legislation will follow a democratic victory at the polls. -- comment

Leftist "sensible gun legislation" = total firearms confiscation.

Yes, let the dems embark on campaign to advocate taking guns away from law abiding U.S. citizens. The Blue Wave will be met with a Red Tsunami in November. . . . .

The NRA should not budge one inch. These "regulations" are a dangerous one-way street. Good on President Trump.

nut job liberal PETA supporting women shooting up YouTube offices have still committed more mass shootings than NRA members.

NRA mass shooters = ZERO.

Texas has a firearm mortality rate of 10.5 per 100,000 vs. California's 7.9, despite California being more urban -- comment

But, but, but. . . how can that be? Calif. also has some of the strictest gun control laws on the books in our country. That statistic should be 0.0 per 100,000. . . .

"We will never give up our freedom. We will live free and we will die free," Trump said

The words of a real man. Im sure there are a lot of Euros reading these words and thinking of what could have been prevented if their limp leaders had the same backbone.

But, but, but. . . how can that be? Calif. also has some of the strictest gun control laws on the books in our country. That statistic should be 0.0 per 100,000. . . .

Yes, the leftwing lunatics just stare at their shoes when reminded of the gun deaths in liberal "gun-free" disasters like Chicago, Baltimore, St Louis, London.....

The highest gun death rates by State are all red ones -- comment

Ah, do know the highest gun deaths in red states are attributed to accidental firearms discharges and suicide.

However, the highest murder rates by guns by State are predominantly in blue states. . . .

But, but, but. . . how can that be? Calif. also has some of the strictest gun control laws on the books in our country. That statistic should be 0.0 per 100,000. . . .

Im susrprised too. With all the border checks , strip searches, cavity checks, and car X-rays at the walls around California, how do all the guns get into that state?

Heh strictly no guns at the NRA convention.

Whst are the little cowards scared of ?

Nice stats from 7 years ago during the previous Democrat administration.

Plus Maryland, Michigan and Pennsylvania are not “red states”. But whatever.

> BlacklabelToday  04:26 pm JST

Nice stats from 7 years ago during the previous Democrat administration.

Not so smart comment on stats referring to red and blue states :)

So amusing that this forum is the mirror of a divided country. A divided country with the world's strongest military forces. But a divided staff will be the weakest link.

And the death cult continues.

Who will save America from itself?

States with tighter gun control laws have fewer gun-related deaths.

More guns, more suicides.

I thought you are for people having the right to end their life if they want.

Police are more likely to be killed in homicides in states with more guns.

I see, but anyway, the second amendment is not going anywhere.

And the death cult continues.

Who will save America from itself?

We will. I think Europe doesn't need to worry, they have their own share of problems to worry about.

Guns are great! But don't bring them to an NRA rally where Prez. Spanky, the VP, or any of the NRA leadership are speaking. They aren't allowed because they're too dangerous.

The methods of assisted dying are very different than suicide from gunshot.

Why? You still end up....dead.

When I worked at the very exclusive and rich London Clinic in Harley St. there were several survivors of gunshot suicide attempts from other countries. I can only tell you if you are thinking of using your AR-15 assault weapon you had better get it right.

I have an AR-15 and shooting yourself with it is almost impossible. A handgun is smaller.

Guns are great! But don't bring them to an NRA rally where Prez. Spanky, the VP, or any of the NRA leadership are speaking. They aren't allowed because they're too dangerous.

Of course, because the people using them are humans and just because your for gun rights and deeply believe in the 2nd amendment doesn’t mean you are stupid. But guess what, if any WERE to get the idea to arm the President, his bodyguards will have guns TO PROTECT the President, so in other words, you also made my point for me. Guns are necessary.

Desperation -- he knows that the Republicans are going to be voted out of office in the November elections. Voted out by incensed American voters.

You’d think they would allow guns inside since it would make it safer.

So the NRA defender of the 2nd just not inside their conventions or HQ either

Show me any leader on the planet even with the thoughts laws that don’t have any security that isn’t carrying. Come on!

Desperation -- he knows that the Republicans are going to be voted out of office in the November elections. Voted out by incensed American voters.

Don't worry, it doesn’t mean anything in the situation of things if the Dems don't have the Senate and the GOP seem more than likely to keep that. So Trump stays and the 2nd amendment stays. Phew!

You’d think they would allow guns inside since it would make it safer.

Some do, which does make it safer on one hand, but in order to have the advantage were some tragedy to happen, the majority don’t. Makes sense to me.

And the blood bath carries on, what a joke, when will the US wake up? Donald T being president is like leaving a 4 year old child to pilot an oil super taker unattended, you know its going to crash at some stage. words fail me.

Yes for sure Trump had his armed guys but the right to carry does not apply to anyone else when there is a NRA convention and they also operate the same rules at the NRA HQ.

Can’t have a gun to see the Queen, but her guards have them, can’t have guns when you go to Disneyland, can’t have guns on a plane, so again, it makes sense.

So, where are the statistics that shows NRA members are more likely to commit gun violence than non-NRA people? The NRA people I know are responsible about their guns and usage of guns and support law & order.

So, where are the statistics that shows NRA members are more likely to commit gun violence than non-NRA people? The NRA people I know are responsible about their guns and usage of guns and support law & order.

What are you talking about? What a dumb thing to say! Now you’re making truthful, rational sense and logical reasoning, you can’t humanize the NRA. You are supposed to follow and say they are monsters, they kill people, they are terrorists, those are the things that you have to say in order to be taken seriously, otherwise if you mention the truth about the NRA and gun holders then they are just going to shut you down.

Now you’re making truthful, rational sense and logical reasoning, you can’t humanize the NRA. You are supposed to follow and say they are monsters, they kill people, they are terrorists,

LOL....Mea culpa....Forgot the political-correct script we're supposed to follow here.

Here some footage of Trump at the NRA Congress where he refers to the Bataclan massacre in Paris.

http://www.dw.com/en/france-slams-donald-trump-for-bataclan-remarks-during-nra-speech/a-43672751

Imagine an employee with a gun against a group of terrorists with Kalashnikovs :)

But at least it's clear how the POTUS thinks about gun control.

serendipitous1 - There are about 230,000,000 eligible voters in the US and only 5,000,000 NRA members. The numbers should speak for themselves. Get out and vote in November everyone!!

The numbers do speak for themselves. There are many more 2nd Amendment, and pro self-defense supporters, than there are NRA members. The current national gun debate has been ongoing since 1968. The voters have spoken. When the gun-banning Democrat Party makes another push for more gun registration/confiscation laws, the voters do not elect Democrat candidates.

Strangerland - Smart strategical move by Trump. The more fear he can incite, the more people will be likely to vote for him (already worked once!) If gun lovers are afraid that the Democrats will take their guns, they will vote against the Democrats, ignoring the fact that the Democrats not only haven't eroded gun rights, they haven't even been able to implements the smallest bits of gun control.

But reality doesn't matter when brainwashing the public with propaganda.

And yet it's the voters (aka U.S. voters in the U.S.) who don't seem to be buying what you're trying to sell them. 

It hasn't been as if the Democrat Party hasn't constantly been trying to implement their gun control/registration-confiscation schemes for decades. They just can't seem to get the votes to do so. I think it's because many of the voters simply don't believe what the Democrats, and their elite media spokesmodels, have been repeatedly telling them.

The numbers do speak for themselves. There are many more 2nd Amendment, and pro self-defense supporters, than there are NRA members. The current national gun debate has been ongoing since 1968. The voters have spoken. When the gun-banning Democrat Party makes another push for more gun registration/confiscation laws, the voters do not elect Democrat candidates.

Where are these so called numbers of which you speak?

It hasn't been as if the Democrat Party hasn't constantly been trying to implement their gun control/registration-confiscation schemes for decades. They just can't seem to get the votes to do so.

Bingo. Even when like 70% of the people were for some kind of legislative change after Sandy Hook, and some ridiculous percentage of senators, the NRA lobby, and the people whom they lobby, were able to shut down any change whatsoever. It's not like it's a democratic process, the law has been written to heavily bias the NRA.

It hasn't been as if the Democrat Party hasn't constantly been trying to implement their gun control/registration-confiscation schemes for decades. They just can't seem to get the votes to do so. I think it's because many of the voters simply don't believe what the Democrats, and their elite media spokesmodels, have been repeatedly telling them.

Not so smart comment as the Democrats had the popular vote. Only because of that not so democratic election system Trump could win. No doubt that there are gun lovers among Democrats but here some figures :

https://qz.com/1095899/gun-ownership-in-america-in-three-charts/