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Trump forces Mattis out early; names Shanahan as new defense secretary

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The Trump administration is in a death spiral.

A baby throwing a temper tantrum and putting the country in grave peril.

Mattis is loved by the military.

Unlike Mattis, Shanahan has no military experience, and little experience with foreign policy,

Like trump, he has no clue. What could go wrong?

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Crazy Joe, he does have life-long experience with the "defense" industry, specifically Boeing. Ka-ching!

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You leave this kindergarten administration in one of three ways;

You are discovered to have lied to the FBI, used your position to improve your personal financial wealth, squandered public funds, or were just generally incompetent or corrupt in your position.

Your uttered a disparaging (and true) remark about the President that is subsequently made public.

You have a policy disagreement with the President and do the honorable thing and submit your resignation.

Unfortunately, however you are forced or choose to leave, you are insulted, disrespected and demeaned.

No one who enters this administration leaves with their reputation intact.

And there's only one reason - we have two-year old, idiot, moron who is a danger to the republic, as President.

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Shanahan spent over three decades working for aircraft giant Boeing, including as vice president and general manager of Boeing Missile Defense Systems, before moving to the Pentagon as deputy in 2017.

Most people able to reason beyond headlines and what they were taught in school have long known, and what is now being fully and undeniably exposed since Trump's election, is how corrupt the world of big business (global - e.g. Trump's dealings with Russia, Saudi Arabia, etc. and US domestic, e.g. Trump U., etc.) is, and that the Military Industrial Complex is real.

By melding big business and government, by bringing a former Boeing Military exec to run the military, is the US system now one of socialism, fascism or just blatant corporatocracy with Trump as despot.

Trump and his supporters are pounding the final nails into the coffin of US democracy in their zeal to establish Trumpistan.

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Another corporate shill in charge of the agency allocating funds to his corporation. So much winning for corporations.

The disrespect Trump has shown the military this week should be his end.

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Trump sped the process amid reports that he was upset over media coverage of the stinging resignation letter submitted by Mattis.

He didn’t understand the dis when he read it himself.

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Nothing more to say that hasn't already been said by everyone with more than half a brain. The man is simply not fit to be POTUS. He needs to be dragged out of the White House before he totally ruins this country,

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Lol! Worst President Ever!

"Making America Greedy Again"

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That guy seems to be a company man (senior vice president, Supply Chain & Operations, for Boeing), what has it to do with being US defense secretary ?! How can this happen ?

What will he bring to the position ? What's his experience on the subject, I am really confused ...

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"I am pleased to announce that our very talented Deputy Secretary of Defense, Patrick Shanahan,

He will be great!

Yes man all the way.

Yes sir. Right away sir.

Yes, Mr. President. You know your stuff sir.

Whatever you think is right Mr. President.

You da man Mr. President!

Could not agree with you more Mr. President.

All this President wants to hear.

This is what to expect from the talented Mr. Shanahan when conversing with POTUS.

Anyone want to make a running bet this will be the last S.O.D.?

He will be great say's POTUS.

But will he? Will he really be great? Great for who? Great for whom? Great for Russia? Great for defense contracts? Great for the American people?

Does this President's ego know no bounds?

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I just cant get over how upset people are at the thought of ending war !!

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I just cant get over how upset people are at the thought of ending war !!

I literally have not seen anyone anywhere expressing that sentiment. Maybe you should post that comment somewhere that people actually are expressing it.

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Trump is not ending war; he's retreating from it, and in quite an uncalculated way. A more pertinent point might be how eager some are to enter war.

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Well, he has to be approved by the senate first correct? Let's see if this little nugget gets that far, or just how irredeemable the GOP majority has become in it's self created mire of corruption and greed. I'd prefer someone with military EXPERIENCE. Not some corporate shill that was taking money for defense contracts....

Profits before people is their motto. We know it well.

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i hope these one year contracts come here.

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@Insane Wayne.

For the record.

I am not unhappy that troops are coming home. I am concerned in which the manner and time frame they are coming home. I am concered that a power vacumm the size of black hole will be generated in the Middel East.

Speficilly these counties where they have hot zones and conflicts have risen. and or rise daily.

Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan,

Where we were just two years ago.

Libya, The sitaution in 2016.

Both Iran and the Sunni states of the Gulf have meddled in Libya, which has suffered severe instability since 2011, and whose government collapsed in 2014. The country is now split between two rival governments, each with its own parliament and executive, and a string of heavily gunned-up tribal and regional militias are competing for control and engaging in serious (albeit episodic) conflict that has killed many civilians, damaged Libya’s cities and prompted many Libyans to flee the country. Last year things got even worse: Islamic State established wilayats — provinces — in each of Libya’s three regions, created a base in Muammar Gaddafi’s home town of Sirte, and fought (with mixed success) to maintain its influence in Benghazi and Derna, a historic centre of extremism and the source of most Libyan recruits to terrorist groups in Syria and Iraq.

Syria, The sitaution in 2016

In Syria, Russian strikes have relieved pressure on Bashar al-Assad’s regime and enabled offensives in the northern provinces of Aleppo and Idlib since October. But the advance is bogging down, with many civilians killed and severe damage to Syria’s already devastated cities. Islamic State has avoided the brunt of Russian airstrikes, which mostly target secular nationalist rebels, giving Islamic State fighters space to mount an offensive against Deir ez-Zor, one of only two surviving regime outposts in northeastern Syria. In the past they captured large areas of the city, massacring hundreds of civilians and regime loyalists.

Afghanistan, The sitaution in 2016

Another place where Islamic State has made inroads over the past year is Afghanistan. Expanding from a base in Pakistan, the group began infiltrating Afghanistan’s south and east in late 2014, before mounting major attacks — on both the Taliban and the government — in September last year. In direct competition, al-Qa’ida has also increased its activity in the same regions, driving a spike in ­violence in urban and rural areas.

But the biggest surge is that of the Taliban, still recovering from last year’s announcement of the death of Mullah Omar, its founder and leader until his demise in 2013. Omar’s successor, Mullah Akhtar Mansour, has cemented his leadership of the movement and is running a two-track strategy — on the one hand negotiating with Kabul, and simultaneously pressuring the Afghan military and police in a ramped-up campaign that directly targets Afghanistan’s cities.

Taliban forces seized the northern provincial capital of Kunduz for two weeks last October — the first time in the entire war they’ve succeeded in seizing a major city. Ordinary Afghans were deeply spooked by this, along with Taliban expansion into their old stomping grounds of Oruzgan, Helmand, Kunar and Nuristan (places that coalition forces, including Australians, fought hard to stabilise over the past decade). In the last few weeks the Taliban has also launched an unprecedented string of terrorist attacks on Kabul and other cities.

In the year ahead, Afghan forces will struggle to contain a Taliban spring offensive come April, alongside increased activity from Islamic State, al-Qa’ida and the Pakistan-backed Haqqani network.

We can expect the Afghan police and military to fight hard and achieve some local successes, but the overall prognosis is not good — indeed, there’s a real risk that, without additional international support for the Afghan government, we may see the same kind of Islamic State breakout and blitzkrieg in Afghanistan in 2016 as happened in Iraq in 2014.

Most of the above for the most part has been stabilized to a degree. Once we leave. Will this have been laid to waste? Did American soldiers die for nothing?

The Islamic state are like cockroaches. Hard to kill. So, I ask. How do you kill an ideology?

ISIS maybe on one knee. But they are not defeated. The idea of an ISL caliphate will not fade away so easily.

I read a comment the other day from a top-ranking DOD official that said he heard POTUS say build a wall around the middle east and let them fight it out. We will communicate with the winner. That is his view on the Middle East. Now I do not know if this is true or not. But (build a wall) sounds like language he would use. I am as well sick of our armed forces being the world’s 911 first responders like so many other Americans.

Here is what I think.

This is not a war like fighting the Nazis or fighting some group or enemy Army. This is war of religion. Of ideas. This is a war against Christians. Against the Church.

So yes, I am happy the boys are coming home. But we need to make a choice now. Once we pull out. Never go back. Never engage again. Stay out of the Middle East and it's affairs. Unless we are attacked.

Maybe we should let them fight it out?

But we are leaving quickly without any transition worth a leg to stand on. It seems and feels like betrayl to me.

We should finish the job we started until the ideology is really dead.

But what do I know. Merry Chritmas everyone!

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@wipeout.

Well said.

war isn't ending anyway.

Exactly! Americans just will not be fighting in it anymore.

In the Middle East war has been going on how long? Anyone know? Centuries?

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Without US participation the "war" will end for lack of money. The same goes for Afghanistan. Without the billions the US pumps into that area the fighters will go back to their pre war lives. Mattis wasn't a general he was a lobbyist. He worked for the people that profit from war.

There are only 2000 US military in Syria and 14000 in Afghanistan. Its laughable to think that there will be a big change in anything except the flow of money to the areas they leave.

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2000 US military in Syria and 14000 in Afghanistan. Its laughable to think that there will be a big change in anything 

You obviously haven’t seen what 2000 Marines can do.

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Mr.Mattis is a good man, he has done everything to save his country! Just the temper of his boss is beyond his tolerances!

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It is was never a war. Wars MUST be declared by the Congress. This is/was an illegal occupation. Getting out is something that must be/had to be done. No matter how you feel about President Trump, he is doing the right thing.

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I think Mr.Mattis and Trump were arguing about Iran! Trump has a plan to attack Iran but Mattis is totally against it and resign his post as a protest! His withdrawn from Syria is a prelude for a bigger war, "The Iran war" !

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@Insane Wayne.

Mattis wasn't a general he was a lobbyist. He worked for the people that profit from war.

What?

First off you would have a very hard time convincing any (Grunt Me) USMC Marine. (Retired.) That Mattis is a lobbyist. I about fell out of my chair when I read that. Here is a bio anyone can understand on the man.

Please take the time and have a read.

https://www.businessinsider.com/james-mattis-defense-secretary-career-biography-2018-1#in-2005-he-madecontroversial-statementsabout-his-time-in-afghanistan-8

Now, I do not you or your history. However, let me give you a little boot knowledge here. We ( Marines ) Are cut from the same cloth. It doesn’t matter what insignia is on your collar. I mean it does, to a point. For the sake of the chain of command. But Marines think differently. I will you give an example. We are all equal to a degree on the battlefield. One would give his life willingly for the other no matter what the rank is. There is no other branch of service like the USMC. Mattis made sure that his Marines achieved their tasks swiftly. When one of his subordinates stalled the Marines' advance at the Battle of Nasiriyah, Mattis relieved him of command and, in an emphatic move, forced him to empty his sidearm of ammunition.

Another example.

"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil. You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So, it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them. Actually, it's quite fun to fight them, you know. It's a hell of a hoot. It's fun to shoot some people. I'll be right up there with you. I like brawling."  And he was. He was a leader. Talked like LCPL. Never deaming unless you were not pulling your weight.

 Sounds like a devil dog to me. The man had four stars on his shoulders. He was a great General. Fought and led many battles. Many battalions. Fought shoulder to shoulder with the with Marines of the 15th and 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit prior to their departing in a 40 plus vehicle convoy from a staging area to take control of the airfield in Kandahar, Afghanistan, December 14, 2001. Were your in Kandahar Insane Wayne?

Were you there fighting the haji's with the then Brigadier General?

I was. Lobbyist my foot. 

Give that man the respects he deserves.

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If Mattis was a “lobbyist” in any way, it would be because he “lobbied” for his Marines to have the best gear and training possible to keep them alive, while under a limited budget.

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It is was never a war. Wars MUST be declared by the Congress. This is/was an illegal occupation. Getting out is something that must be/had to be done. No matter how you feel about President Trump, he is doing the right thing.

I feel it's the right thing, for the wrong reasons, likely resulting in an extremely poor implementation.

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Cough...Iran, cough.

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Please take the time and have a read.

https://www.businessinsider.com/james-mattis-defense-secretary-career-biography-2018-1#in-2005-he-madecontroversial-statementsabout-his-time-in-afghanistan-8

That's a good read. I like this:

After the invasion, Mattis sent the First Marine Division’s tanks and artillery back to the US. He then told Iraqi military leaders in a meeting: “I come in peace. I didn’t bring artillery. But I’m pleading with you, with tears in my eyes: If you f— with me, I’ll kill you all.”

Another man once said speak softly, and carry a big stick.

I also like this:

“Don’t create more enemies than you take out by some immoral act.”

That read actually made it a little more clear why he quit. The guy, whether you agree with him or not, is very clear on what he believes to be right and wrong. He must have tried to hold it together in the mess that is the Trump administration, but with Trump trying to distract from his problems using the diversion of leaving Syria and Afghanistan regardless of no planning whatsoever, finally came to the conclusion that he was dealing with a complete and absolute moron.

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From an article by Eliot Cohen:

Henceforth, the senior ranks of government can be filled only by invertebrates and opportunists, schemers and careerists. If they had policy convictions, they will meekly accept their evisceration. If they know a choice is a disaster, they will swallow hard and go along. They may try to manipulate the president, or make some feeble efforts to subvert him, but in the end they will follow him. And although patriotism may motivate some of them, the truth is that it will be the title, the office, the car, and the chance to be in the policy game that will keep them there.

One does not have to favor a man to see that the way that he's brought down implies danger.

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This is war of religion. Of ideas. This is a war against Christians. Against the Church.

Errr... all the Muslims being slaughtered by the extremists, I wonder would their families share such a somewhat simplistic viewpoint?

Did American soldiers die for nothing?

Usually but not exclusively, I reckon so. I mean, what were they actually doing there, in the first place?

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Did American soldiers die for nothing?

They died for something. Unfortunately that something was often and usually oil, money, and power. But there was some revenge in there as well. and gold.

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Trump has a plan to attack Iran but Mattis is totally against it and resign his post as a protest! His withdrawn from Syria is a prelude for a bigger war, "The Iran war" !

The US never should have entered Syria, so I am glad they're leaving. But I do worry that the only reason for the withdrawal is to prevent them from being attacked in retaliation for another attack, possibly against Iran or maybe against Russia via their Ukrainian proxy.

"My views on treating allies with respect and also being clear-eyed about both malign actors and strategic competitors are strongly held and informed by over four decades of immersion in these issues," Mattis wrote.

Yeah, Mattis has been immerse for over four decades in issues related to the US military, during a period when they were up to no good. When he talks about allies, what he means is accomplices; I say the hell with them.

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Trump is unfit for duty. He needs to be relieved of duty. The fact is, Trump doesn't even understand the words "protect and serve."  He does not understand the meaning of the word or principles of "duty" or "service." 

He needs to be legally removed from the office he never should have been inserted into. And this on grounds of endangerment to our nation, let alone the fact that his election was corrupted from the beginning.

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Donny boy read Mattis’s letter but couldn’t understand that it was dissing him, the MSM had to point it out.

ROFL.

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@Toasted Heretic

This is war of religion. Of ideas. This is a war against Christians. Against the Church.

Errr... all the Muslims being slaughtered by the extremists, I wonder would their families share such a somewhat simplistic viewpoint?

You know what? You are right. Many Muslims have been killed by these extremist groups.

I sometimes get single minded and focused on one thought. Unlike others that comment here. I have an open mind, hungry and eager to read other's thoughts and points that make sense.

I stand corrected. I should have written a war on those that do not share the same belief system as terrorist groups pushing their agenda.

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@Strangerland.

He must have tried to hold it together in the mess that is the Trump administration, but with Trump trying to distract from his problems using the diversion of leaving Syria and Afghanistan regardless of no planning whatsoever, finally came to the conclusion that he was dealing with a complete and absolute moron.

Yes. I would say from the secretary’s resignation letter that would confirm your assumption crystal clearly. As a Republican voter I have really tried to see this Presidents points of view. I was holding on to some idea that, Okay. My candidate did not win the GOP. That's Okay. I will try to defend his actions and decisions and be supportive. But I simply cannot anymore. Every day that passes he is just sinking deeper and deeper. Mattis is my hero. I love the guy. Is he fit to be President? No, I am afraid not. Should he run? I do not think he should. Maybe for the Senate. Maybe Vice President. I only wish the best for him. The level of dysfunction right now in the white house and the cabinet is just too much to bear. The exit of Mr. Mattis was it for me. I am done. The President is taking the USA down a path that is beyond scary for me. I now others will disagree. But I am really glad I am living in Japan. I guess I am just to old fashion. This once. I am in agreement with Democrats on the removal of the current sitting President of the United States. Impeach. And it is not the scandals. It is not the woman. It is not his limited vocabulary. It is not the wall. The trade and tariffs. It’s his sheer incompetence!

Let's look at the definition of incompetence-

inability to do something successfully; ineptitude."allegations of professional incompetence"

synonyms: ineptitude, ineptness, inability, lack of ability, incapability, incapacity, lack of skill, lack of proficiency, amateurishness, inexpertness, ineffectiveness, inadequacy, deficiency, inefficiency, ineffectuality, ineffectualness, insufficiency; 

All of these words come to mind of recent when I think of Trump. I honesty was thinking when he got elected it wont be so bad. I was wrong. It is bad.

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I feel for you. It’s easy enough to hate the other guy. Harder when you have to hate your own guy.

I’m with you though. Sheer incompetence.

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Yes. I would say from the secretary’s resignation letter that would confirm your assumption crystal clearly. As a Republican voter I have really tried to see this Presidents points of view.

Really?

I was holding on to some idea that, Okay. My candidate did not win the GOP. That's Okay.

Who?

I will try to defend his actions and decisions and be supportive. But I simply cannot anymore. Every day that passes he is just sinking deeper and deeper. *

How?

Mattis is my hero. I love the guy. Is he fit to be President?

Mine as well. I agree with you 110%.

No, I am afraid not. Should he run? I do not think he should. Maybe for the Senate. Maybe Vice President. I only wish the best for him. The level of dysfunction right now in the white house and the cabinet is just too much to bear.

If you want to talk about the level of dysfunction and you want to say the President has a problem with sometimes staying on message I’ll give you that, but at the same time as the President is trying, he’s not perfect, no President is, but at least he cares despite the desperate attempts by the msm to paint a daily picture of doom and gloom, but back to the General, Trump does have the absolute right to have people in his cabinet that he feels comfortable with and if these people for one reason or another don’t like him or his policies, they are free to leave, but you an extreme hostile overwhelmingly liberal dominated media that push a lot of this hysteria as well. When I was at NBC back in 1988, I remember when i first came aboard when some of the top anchors were in the newsroom planning, strategizing on how to take Bush apart nightly piece by piece Brokaw was one of them, back then it wasn’t as personal as it is today, but make No mistake, the press were not on his side at all and the same hypocrites that worked so hard to bury the man, now praise him because they have to compare him to someone they despise and that’s Trump, it’s a business decision, but to inflict maximum damage to the President, when you have 12 screaming voices in the back, they’re more noticeable than the one loner sitting next to you.

The exit of Mr. Mattis was it for me. I am done.

And you have that right, some may feel like you, I know a few that are happy that the troops are coming home, so it all depends on the people you are asking.

The President is taking the USA down a path that is beyond scary for me.

I think the path that the Democrats will take us on is even scarier, way scarier truth be told.

I now others will disagree. But I am really glad I am living in Japan. I guess I am just to old fashion. This once. I am in agreement with Democrats on the removal of the current sitting President of the United States. Impeach.

But the Senate won’t remove him, just won’t happen. We will probably be bored to death like with Clinton and have hearing after hearing.....

*And it is not the scandals. It is not the woman. It is not his limited vocabulary. It is not the wall. The trade and tariffs. *It’s his sheer incompetence.

I view it more as trying to find the perfect sweet spot and less about incompetence.

I lived in Washington for two years and I can tell you the incompetency level there is just udderly amazing. There are many smart people, but also there are many people that are so dumb, incompetent and useless as well as many of the media, but Washington just like Hollywood is full of these degenerate cliques that think they know better than everyone else in the country and for me personally, I’m done with establishment politics, the majority of the idiotic politicians on both sides could care less how the majority of us feel at the same time, the Democrats trying to turn the country into Sweden isn’t helping either.

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Bass: but at least he cares

Of course he cares. If there’s one thing we’ve learned about Trump over the years is that he’s the kind of man who puts the needs of others first. Except the part where he is scamming them, discriminating against them, replacing them with foreign workers, etc.

But other than that, Trump’s name is synonymous with caring. I know this is true because he told me so and he is a great man and a rich man and who am I to say anything bad about him?

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Of course he cares. If there’s one thing we’ve learned about Trump over the years is that he’s the kind of man who puts the needs of others first.

Pretty much.

Except the part where he is scamming them, discriminating against them, replacing them with foreign workers, etc. 

Ok, so now name me a businessman or a politician in Washington that doesn’t do that.

But other than that, Trump’s name is synonymous with caring.

Man hug man, but for real!

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Ok, so now name me a businessman or a politician in Washington that doesn’t do that.

Name a politician who didn’t lose a lawsuit over fraud? Name a politician who twice lost lawsuits for discrimination? Name a politician who imports foreign workers at this properties? Name a politician who doesn’t brag about molesting women, have a half dozen bankruptcies, and refuses to disclose his taxes?

OK. Obama.

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Name a politician who didn’t lose a lawsuit over fraud?

I remember a couple, but the Feds chose not to.....

Name a politician who twice lost lawsuits for discrimination?

If you go by that then it’s Black people who really lost in most of their cities run by Democrats, take your pick.

Name a politician who imports foreign workers at this properties?

I’ll give you the largest, California.

Name a politician who doesn’t brag about molesting women, have a half dozen bankruptcies, and refuses to disclose his taxes?

Buba, but he has a foundation and a coverup law firm.

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Ok, so now name me a businessman or a politician in Washington that doesn’t do that.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

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All people who have lost discrimination and fraud lawsuits, all of them have gone bankrupt and hired foreign workers, have stolen from their own charity, abused women, etc.

All no different than Trump so you really can’t hold that against him.

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My post had not been for a few seconds Bass for a call of unity and already got a -1.

I will say it again. Rebulicans and Democrats need to start working together. The world is becoming more and more unstable and dangerous. Those on the hill need to get head out of sand!

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@Bass4funk.

First off. Merry Christmas to you!

I will answer your questions gladly.

GOP.

I liked Cruz. I still do. I hope he makes another go at it. Texas is a great state! Cruz is a solid guy! I like his politics. I like his Christian views. I really like Heidi Cruz.

Nice write up on the power couple here.

https://www.businessinsider.com/heidi-cruz-ted-cruz-marriage-love-story-photos-2018-10#they-met-working-on-george-w-bushs-presidential-campaign-when-heidi-was-on-break-from-harvard-business-school-1

Deeper and deeper.

Look. I get you like the President. Cool. He wanted to drain the swamp, right? However, I just see things going south every day. This ABC poll has it at. (see below). Biased poll? Yes indeed for sure. Other polls with have it the other way around.

52.9% Disapprove. 41.8%Approve. What has made me most uncomfortable is the turnover. Trumps politics is a new breed. A new genre of sorts. It is too radical for me. Unstable. He is unfit on the Global stage as the world see's it I am afraid. Can you argue a point there? I mean really? Our reputation has really taken a hit. I know Americans back home want a pull back from Global affairs.

I am very happy the troops are coming home. I wrote that I was. You feel the Democrats will take us down a path that scares the hell out of you. I agree to a point.(Clinton scares the hell out of me). But there are many Democrats that want to work with the other party. I want the days to return when both sides of the isle were working for the people. Now it seems they want to rip each other apart. Quite frankly. I find it appalling todays politics.

Trump has talked about his plans for his Presidency since the 1980's He got voters on board. I for one was not onboard with everthing and his message. I almost felt like a traitor as a Republican as many I know were swept up and thrown in to his message and purpose and gained the vote. But I was like. Naw, I do not think that is going to work out very well on some of the issues and his plans. I think we are seeing a result of that right now. I could go into more details. But I am pressed for time at work today and on Christmas day.

Build the wall, Lock her up. The violence at rallies. It just did not resonate with me. It turned me off.

Bass, look. I always read your comments. I get it. I really do. You support Mr. Trump and I respect that. Just like most of the Democrats here on J.T. I respect them as well as Democrats. I try to stay out of the negativity here on J.T. and be respectful unless I am insulted or read something way off base that just makes me walk away in disbelief.

But I appreciate your insights.

Cheers and have a Merry Christmas!

Dozo, You may start the down voting!

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I stand corrected. I should have written a war on those that do not share the same belief system as terrorist groups pushing their agenda.

Fair play to you.

And another 43 people murdered in this pointless war.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-46674427

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