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Black Sabbath
He ain't gonna skip two hours of free publicity. Here's the scoop:
His 'theyz gonna be mean to me' ballon may make Kelly hold back a bit. If not, he can claim, after the show, "See, I told you so!"
Actually, it is a rather clever move on Trump's part.
Wakayama Mama
This is a typical example of anti-Trump propaganda, he was not referring her menstruation.
Anyway, media bias has long had a big impact on public opinion, and more people are realizing this; so I support his decision.
gokai_wo_maneku
That is great! This will give Americans to see the other candidates without this clown trying to steel all the scenes. He has such an EGO! He couldn't stand being bald so he hair transplant, which failed, but his ego is too big to admit failure.
Wc626
People often bash Trump for his illegal immigration stance. Often calling him a racist.
Meanwhile in my native LA, illegals are protesting in downtown because ICE (immigration enforcement) are sweeping up illegals and deporting them at 4:00 a.m. catching them off-guard. So why isn't anyone bashing the incumbent administration authorizing these deportations? Why isn't anyone calling them racists / bigots?? Baffling-
http://ktla.com/2016/01/26/lapd-arrests-8-people-during-immigration-reform-protest-in-downtown-la/
Let's hope the sweeps across the US deports the drug traffickers, human traffickers, rapist and murderers. For the others, they should be deported too. But not immediately, only when the violence in central america calms down.
nath
Wow, he really fooled you! Anyone with any intelligence whatsoever knows that "blood coming out of her wherever" is a direct response to menstruation.
He made a bunch of racist statements about Mexicans. Read the transcript - he didn't limit his comments to illegal Mexicans.
Anyways, it's kind of funny to watch Trump vs. the MSM. Fox "news" must be choked that they haven't got the extreme grip on Republicans that they usually do, as the Republican MSM.
wontond
@Wc626 People didn't bash Trump because of his stance on illegal immigration, although his idea of the wall on the Mexico/US border is preposterous. They bashed Trump because he generalized Mexican immigrants as a bunch of murderers and rapists. Then he went to say that all Muslims should be banned from entering the country. Deporting illegal immigrants is one thing, but painting a whole group of people negatively is an entirely different thing.
Wc626
I have many friends in law enforcement. Lots of hispanic immigrants are COMMITTING crimes in the US. So why not just wear the shoe and say- "they're a bunch of murderers."
Look at how many hispanics are in the jails. For doing awful things in a country they have NO RIGHT to be "in", in the 1st place.
No different than how all republicans, gun owners, Trump supporters are painted as bigots/racist living in a bubble by most posters in these JT forums.
stormcrow
The probability of Trump running as an independent has just moved up another notch. Not good news for the other Republican candidates and they should be worried. Trump the spoiler.
CrazyJoe
The ideas and substance that Trump brings to the debates can be put on the head of a postage stamp. Come to think of it , postage stamps have more use. When they ask him a question is good time to get coffee because I know I am not going to miss anything.
wontond
There's one huge difference...none of the posters in the JT forums are running for POTUS.
cleo
So you object to people being branded according to the company they keep (voluntarily - no one is forced to be or to identify themselves as a republican, gun owner of Trump supporter), but see nothing wrong in you branding people criminals according to their DNA, on account of the perceived actions of 'some' people in that group? It's not the first time you've suggested that all hispanic people in the US are illegal immigrants simply on account of their being hispanic.
badsey3
Why would anyone go to a "debate" where for sure you are the #1 target and nothing of any substance is ever done. Let the others kill themselves for #2. Fox News/Kelly were warned repeatedly about the negative/provocative rhetoric after the first "debate" -and sadly nothing has significantly changed since then except the advertising money Fox News gets.
SuperLib
The GOP and the right-wing media have pretty much lost it.
Uh, there are people on the left who have gone after Obama because of the deportations. You even have some examples of people disrupting Obama's speeches over the issue. What's missing is coverage on the Right because it doesn't fit in with the narrative that Obama is importing minorities. Sounds like this story is just reaching you.
nath
Sounds like this branch of the MSM will learn their lesson.
Wc626
I know. The "hispanic" guy in NY who made his gf walk naked in the streets sounds like something those low-life illegals would do. These people come directly from the slums of central america.
I'll wear that shoe. It is NOT covered by the Right. This is why I often read many sources of news, not just Fox News.
What I'm really wondering is why nobody (JT posters) are not condoning these 4:00 a.m. raids and deportations. But when Trump says, "let's build a wall" suddenly he's a racist.
Alphaape
@ cleo: Being an illegal immigrant from Mexico or any other country is not related to DNA. Simply they broke the law going to a place that they shouldn't. Correct me if I am wrong, but you are not a Japanese citizen if I am correct. So do you think you have the "right" to just go to Japan, or any other country you want to just because you "feel" like moving there without meeting their entry requirements? You seem like a rational person so if you so that people should just be able to go and please as they wish then as you so desire and have pointed out, we should just ban all guns because if I use your logic, if people can't be expected to respect the borders and laws of another sovereign country, then why should they worry if something like guns are outlawed since they feel that they have a "right" to bear arms.
I think Trump will come out ahead on this one. I suspect for the first round of questions the candidates will make quips about him not being there and do they want someone like that to lead the country, and there will be applause and boos in the crowd. But the more they bring up his absence, the more press he will get.
Laguna
I agree, Superlib - a "nefarious source"? What third-grader is tweeting for Fox?
The media - particularly the right-leaning media - need Trump a whole lot more than he needs them at this point. You'd think they'd have learned from the fact that he swallowed the whole Republican Party that he'd soon come after them - a revolution devours its children, after all.
More chaos in the GOP. Where this will all lead nobody knows.
TorafusuTorasan
This has gotta be a first in US election history--the frontrunning candidate skipping a debate over a beef with one of the mods. This is as yuge as the Cleveland Cavs firing their coach when they are in first place in the division.
nath
The funny thing is that the right's MSM created the environment for trump to exist and thrive, and now that he is excelling within that environment, they are getting cut out of it. The irony is great!
cleo
Alphaape, you completely missed the point of my post. I am not talking about 'illegal immigrants'; I am talking about is 'hispanic people in the US', who Wc626 would have us believe are all illegal simply on account of their being hispanic. 'Hispanic' does not equal 'illegal'.
You are correct, and I'm here legally, totally above board. I get very snotty with people who think they know that I am this kind of person or that kind of person simply from the colour of my skin, or the colour of my passport. They're often wrong.
If I remember correctly, you are black, and reasonably affluent, living in the US. Are you happy if people assume, from your skin colour, that you must be a low-life, drug-pushing, violent gang member, because, after all, some black people in the US are. But what they are isn't what you are, is it?
Now that sounds to me like very good logic.
Wc626
K, see ur point. And likewise, all the things Trump says are real issues which need to be addressed. It does not equal racism.
nath
Trump saying racist things makes him racist.
Frederic Bastiat
I think it's hilarious. I'm not a Trump supporter at all. But I must say that Trump has got the Establishment Republicans and their mouthpiece FOX on their heels by not playing by the usual rules. And, in so doing, Trump's numbers keep rising. He's planning his own independent event to coincide with the debate. Seems like a win-win for Trump ; At his event, he'll get 100% of the talking time as compared with shared time and a clearly antagonistic "moderator".
The upside is that Rand Paul will now be on the stage.
turbotsat
@ the those JT posters who're usually left-of-center, how's it feel being on the same side as Fox News?
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/fox-news-announces-lineup-thursday-s-gop-debate-n504831
Laguna
The proper body to address these issues is Congress - which is controlled by the GOP - not the President. Hello? Whatever happened to the Republican plan for immigration reform? Perhaps we'd best ask Rubio.
MrBum
@ Alphaape
The analogy you brought up to cleo would be more accurate if Japan had entire industries like farming that were completely dependent on cheap immigrant labor. What people on your side never mention is that the immigrants wouldn't be coming to the US if they weren't essentially being invited. You can criticize the system, but there's no reason to blame immigrants who do the hard work that Americans don't want, at wages that allow Americans to eat affordably.
cleo used the word "criminals" but we all know what Trump called them. I don't believe that all illegal immigrants will go on to commit all manner of other crimes simply because they broke one law to enter the country. That's just really poor logic.
You're right about the likelihood of Trump coming out ahead though. But he's doing it in the typical Trump way that will pretty much guarantee a Democratic victory.
turbotsat
It's not the 'right-wing media pumping up their dream candidate Trump then losing control when he turned Frankenstein monster', but the 'left-wing media still happy to promote such buffoons as Trump, Palin, and Perot, what else has changed?'.
nath
In what way?
I watched an interesting report on one of the southern states, where they'd done a huge drive over a few years to get rid of illegal immigrants - and farm owners were left with crops that could not be picked, because they couldn't find Americans willing to do the work for the pay. So they tried prison labor, but as you can guess, prison laborers aren't so into hard work.
Everyone who criticizes illegal immigration, while buying $7 watermelons at Walmart, is a hypocrite.
turbotsat
Hatin' on Trump.
nath
I guess it feels ironic.
lostrune2
Trump is being childish still quarreling with the Fox moderator (just let it go already), but Fox accusing Trump of being childish is itself childish, going over the line posting that satirical comment that a news organization that wants to be taken seriously shouldn't be doing (and coming from the top brass too).
Now Trump wants to talk directly CEO-to-CEO with Fox owner Rupert Murdoch, which puts Murdoch in a position he wouldn't want to be in - an owner interfering with his own news organization would undermine his own news organization's independence and integrity to be taken seriously.
pointofview
Go Trump!
The media are thugs. Everything negative and cut and paste quotes about Trump. Fox was planning to to attack, thankfully he was smart enough to no better. Hes right about illegals, Terrorism, Trade, incompetent politicians and poor/lack of jobs. Hes such a bad guy now isn`t he?
Laguna
Agree with the latter but not the former. Trump's followers are only growing in ferocity, and any hint that a candidate is part of the establishment "clique" is a red mark. As I mentioned above, the revolution devours its children - Trump has just lumped Fox in with the establishment. Fox's best bet would have been to ignore the snub or treat it with a coldly calculated explanation, while their worst option would have been to make a joke so lame it exposes both their desperation and lack of creativity. Guess which they chose?
Not only is Trump dragging down the GOP, he's bringing their icons down alongside.
CrazyJoe
Whether anyone supports Trump or not... he is entirely correct. This is NOW about Fox and CNN pulling in audience and making money. It's a three ring circus and he's correct to say so. Everyone KNOWS it's literally a stunt and a gimmick to have a so called serious debate when you have 8 people all screeching to be heard so they can insult the next person. FOX has sunk to the level of CNN.
nath
Oh, I don't think there is any worry about Fox "News" integrity. They've already shown they don't have any.
nath
Kelly and the rest of the FOX crew are a laughable excuse for "journalists". Ditto for Trump as a candidate.
lostrune2
The Fox moderator Megyn Kelly issue alone would most likely not kept Trump from showing up at the debate despite his threat to possibly not show up - because otherwise he'd look like a chicken (plus debaters should not have the choice of moderators). But Fox stupidly gave him a way out.
edojin
Minus Trump, will anybody be watching the debate on TV?
bass4funk
The network doesn't have anything to with any kind of superficial hold on anyone Republican or Democrat. But if it makes you libs feel better and what is a true embarrassment is that the whole persona of what we all know and love as Donald Trump became a household name on what network, the peacock network. If anyone should be afraid of their Frankenstein creation that was unleashed to the world, it's Phil Griffin.
Ok, So that's one in a small pond of a minority opinion
PTownsend
As a journalist, you must be aware that FOX's credibility has long been questioned. Rupert Murdoch's various MSM outlets are often fact free zones.
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/tv/fox/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News_Channel_controversies
zurcronium
Ratings will tank as the other republicans are boring. What, more time for Bush to put people to sleep? Or Cruz to attack NY again? Or Hackabee to, not sure what he does but am sure it is batty.
Trump should buy air time himself against the debates and see which gets the better ratings. It would be Trump. Now that would be daring. Or do an live town hall on CNN.
Fox created Trump with the birther issue and now Trump is turning on them. Delicious. The republicans are slowly going down the drain.
bass4funk
Yes, been debunked and has the least amount of retractions than any other cable news outlet
Compared to most of the MSM liberal sites, doesn't even come close.
Ok, back on topic...
At this point, you might be wrong, given the fact he made snide comments about Women, said some questionable statements about Mexicans, attacked McCain about being a war hero, then there was the comment about his daughter that she looked so good, if he weren't her father, he would date her and on and on and his numbers keep rising. I really don't think as of now Hillary is going to get it, I could be wrong, but the wave that's out there and the anger the general public has for the current president and his failed policies is a very strong indicator that Trump just might pull this off.
SuperLib
Obama creates Trump, then Trump destroys the GOP. Bass, if you are right, then that's pretty cool. Score one for our Muslim President.
Laguna
I'd heard that Trump would rather than monkeying around with his counterparts instead pretend to care for veterans, but I hadn't heard that he'd invited the press. Talk about rubbing salt in FOX's wound: Which would a TRUE American watch? What, do you hate veterans? NYMag has an accurate take here: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/01/trump-debate-boycott-throws-fox-news-into-chaos.html
BNlightened
This is great on multiple levels. We have, first, people opposing Trump who usually scream, "Why doesn't he shut up?" now screaming, "Why doesn't he want to debate?" (By the way, there's been SIX GOP debates thus far, all with Trump, while the Dems are finished after half as many. Who doesn't want to debate again??)
Second, these same screamers now find themselves aligning with Fox News in defense of Megyn Kelly. As someone said earlier, pretty darn ironic, isn't it?
Third, Fox's debate is going to tank in terms of ratings. Who've they got left? Ted Cruz? Jeb (with or without his exclamation point)? Rubio? Talk about a barn-burner! (And guess who is STILL going to dominate the debate, even in his absence?)
Fourth, Trump is again giving the MSM the bird, and there's NOTHING the media can do about it! They'll HAVE to cover Trump's rival rally (the proceeds from which will cleverly be used to support not Fox News, but the Wounded Warrior campaign.) I don't know about you, Laguna, but a million dollar check from Trump And Friends to veterans' groups speaks to his support for the group a heck of a lot louder than all the empty rhetoric coming from Hillary-Without-A-Last Name or Feel-The Bernie Sanders about the same group.
If Trump wins Iowa, the Main Stream Media is going to explode right in front of our eyes, and I can't wait.
By the way, SuperLib, as for Trump "destroying the GOP," answer me this: When Obama was elected, he had Democratic Majorities in the House and Senate, while more than half of the state legislatures were also Democratic. In just seven years, he's lost both the House and the Senate, while now the GOP have majorities in both Governors of states and in state legislatures (with the Dems in outright control of the fewest legislative chambers since...the Civil War!) So, given these facts, who is destroying which party again??? (Given your handle, I'm not expecting a straight reply, naturally.)
nath
And the most inaccuracies: http://www.mintpressnews.com/pants-on-fire-analysis-shows-60-of-fox-news-facts-are-really-lies/205563/
Madverts
The message is clear.
Trump doesn't need the Republican party. They're over. His work is almost done.
nath
How do you think Fox News will explode?
Laguna
Exactly. The "how" is the question. I'd predict schizophrenically.
Serrano
I bet The Donald will still be way out ahead in the polls after this debate.
gogogo
Trump can't lose at this stage but I with Clinton will win the election
Lizz
How do you think Fox News will explode?
Maybe Murdoch will try to drive the Saudi royal family out of his business interests.
Icthelite
Personally I think Trumps plan to hold a fundraising rally to support our veterans would be more productive than a seventh so called "debate" (which it really isn't) that will just be another question and answer session. A couple of debates before actual elections are more than enough.
Kurobune
Kind of reminds me of the kid in second or third grade who takes his ball and bat home because he wasn't chosen. Do we really want this sort of man as our POTUS ?
justbcuzisay
See, us of the left generally can listen to people words and decide case-by-case if we agree or not with a particular issue. In this case, Fox has evolved to a reasonable position regarding Trump. Doesn't mean we like them, just means we can accept they are right on this particular point.
Those on the right don't bother even listening to the other side. Such as them saying Obama wants to take everyone's guns, although the President has said explicitly that he believes in the second right amendment to bear arms.
nath
Exactly. The type of person to gloat that Liberals and Fox "News" are of the same opinion is the type of person who chooses their beliefs based on ideological lines, rather than an open minded examination of the details. That's why it's baffling to them that a democrat would be ok with having the same opinion as Fox "News" - in their world they would always go against the other party's opinion as a matter of principle, regardless of the facts.
justbcuzisay
Exactly. So for example. Many times I disagree with strangeland's posts, but on topics like this, we are 100% in agreement. That is progression
kcjapan
"Trump’s decision to drop out only heightens his feud with Fox News, the host of Thursday’s debate in Iowa and whose moderator Megyn Kelly has been accused by Trump of bias against him." - article
Maybe Democracy does work. A cry-baby for cry-babies. A cry-baby in chief.
Trump has played the GOP for fools. Called the tune, made them dance and never once contributed anything, except self-promotion and prejudice. Some accomplishment.
Imagine what Trump could achieve as Dictator.
Megyn would be the first prisoner of Castle Trumpenstein. Now, that's what Trump would call great programming. Forget the debate, let Trump produce the Megyn - Prisoner of Castle Trumpenstein
Black Sabbath
Do y'all remember that scene in Animal House near the end of the film when all hell breaks loose, with the kid reading in his bedroom, and a young attractive women comes flying though his window, lands on his bed, and he looks up and says: "Thank you, God!"
Well, that just happened to me this morning.
That's FOX's retort to Trump's doubling-down on his temper tantrum.
FOX.
I am so happy. Thank you, God!
bass4funk
I think you are seeing something you want to see, but in all seriousness, what happens if Trump becomes president and he's actually good, will you eat crow?
That both parties are being demolished? I couldn't agree more! Cheers!
turbotsat
Except that the simple act of posting from "Faux News" is regularly used as a litmus test ... or to discount all discussion ...
google: site:japantoday.com "faux news"
TrevorPeace
What??? The loudmouth doesn't want to mouth off? Totally out of character. Maybe he's found religion??? Nope, then he'd be mouthing off even more. Ahh, I've got it - his lips are sealed, as in sewn shut. Couldn't be any other reason for an egomaniac to shut up.
Black Sabbath
Perhaps the most surprising aspect of Trump’s rise is that the arguments from conservative 'intellectuals' -- people like Bill Kristol, George Will, David Brooks -- who have spent their lives trying to define conservatism, have had so little impact. Conservative columnist Michael Brendan Dougherty recently wrote, “What so frightens the conservative movement about Trump’s success is that he reveals just how thin the support for their ideas really is.”
The nativist, know-nothing base has had enough.
SuperLib
I like Sanders. Why would that bother me? But I do like your idea that Obama outmaneuvered the Republicans by creating Trump, then Trump destroys the GOP. You have to admit it was a pretty shrewd move by our President if you are right.
I dunno, move on with my life? I just think it's unlikely. The Republican party is a bit of a mess right now. They did some soul searching after losing the last 2 elections and made a plan to win, but they abandoned their plan and are now even more toxic than they were before the last 2 elections. I think even you will agree that they haven't done much to correct issues they said they needed to.
Well how much reading have you done on how voting works? For 2010, the reasons were plenty. In cases where one party wins a massive advantage, the pendulum always swings the other way in the next election. You also have the problem where Democratic turnout falls quite a bit in non-Presidential election years. Finally, there were a lot more blue seats up for grab. Put all of that together and the Democrats would have needed a massive lead just to hold on to that they had.
As for the House, it's been pretty well documented that the GOP has done a masterful job redrawing district lines to guarantee a red victory. That's party of the reason why their positions have become so hardened of late; they really have no danger of losing to a Democrat. Republicans have openly talked about doing this to help them win elections and the courts are now starting to push back and have ordered Republicans to redraw some lines. It's part of a broader effort by the GOP to change the election process since they are now the minority party (voter suppression laws, reducing early registration, reducing early voting, closing polling stations, eliminating registration programs for young people, restricting how voter registration drives work, removing ex-con's right to vote, etc.)
The governors are problematic, but they don't really do much on the national stage which is the focus here. Given credit for people like the Koch brothers who decided about a decade ago to focus more on state elections and it's paid off. Now they are going after state judges, which has been a massive boon for people like Scott Walker in Wisconsin. The GOP finally got rid of donation limits and now they can really focus billions of dollars on elections, no matter how small.
As for Obama, the people had a referendum on him in 2012. I know the right likes to say that Republicans are winning elections because people dislike Obama, but that's odd to me since his approval ratings are generally 2-3x higher than Congressional Republicans. There are a lot of moving parts to voting and a lot of GOP supporters here don't seem to know much about it.
Texas A&M Aggie
IMO, the American voters have grown tired of these useless "debates". However, it is quite funny to see/listen to liberals here in the States taking to the airwaves to support FOX News on this one. The only way that this backfires on Mr. Trump is if the ratings without him go up. . . . .
bass4funk
“What so frightens the conservative movement about Trump’s success is that he reveals just how thin the support for their ideas really is.”
No, wrong and way off the mark. The root problem was that you had a generation this cycle of Republicans that were weak, capitulated to Obama, didn't a stance on many of his radical issues and didn't stand up for their principles. I'll give you this in all fairness at least the Democrats stay together lock and step on virtually every issue and no matter how devious or sneaky they are or propose, they are always together, unlike the GOP that was all over the place and refused to listen to their constituents, that was the crux of the problem and the people have simple had enough. When they see Trump, they see strength, they don't care about his baggage, insults or anything else and whatever was traditional conservatism as far as the rules are concerned are out and that's why the guy is rising, is a threat to the Democrats and day by day is becoming a Juggernaut. The same thing is starting to take shape with Sanders. In a way, both Trump and Sanders are not from the Washington establishment, both men can't be bought and both are brutally honest (Trump a bit more colorful and brash and Sanders a bit more delusional in his socialist ideas, but at least honest) So don't laugh too hard, because the right is starting to get a chuckle too at the growing hysteria that is morphing on the Democratic side.
Yup and both traditional liberal and conservative are being turned upside down.
First of all, Obama is NOT my president and at the same time, I am delighted to see Sanders and old Bolshevik kick up some sand in Hillary's face and I do hope he beats her, for obvious reasons. LOL
And the Democratic party is starting to unwind, now that they see that Sanders could be a real problem for Hillary. I know this for a fact because I hear it everyday on my job and it does bring a smirk to my face. I hope the trend continues.
Correct. They allowed Obama to control the issues and didn't get down in the gutter and were dishonest like Harry Reid always did. Too nice and and allowed themselves to get punched in the face. This is very true.
Is that a rhetorical question? Dude, don't make me laugh.
The point is simple as well as the outcome as well. The House and the Senate were recaptured by the GOP and your analogy holds true for the presidential cycle. I seriously doubt that the Dems will get another seat at the table to screw things up further.
That's true.
As I outlined before, even I'm disappointed at how weak this bunch has become. That is why the people are seeking someone that will stop all this progressive madness.
The same goes especially now for the liberals, Sanders is a huge eye opener now for them as they scramble to save Hillary, not to mention she has her own personal problems.
Alphaape
@ MrBurn: The fact that they broke the laws coming into America or overstaying their visas makes them a criminal, according to the US law. Will some go ahead and commit more crimes, maybe yes or no. but the bottom line is, they are still criminals under the current laws, and if they were ever brought into the criminal justice system they would have to answer for them.
Again we get the same argument that they do jobs Americans want to keep the cost of food down. Well, those illegals that people in my home town hire to do construction work on houses undercutting US tradesmen are not working on the farms but taking jobs that used to be done by US workers. As far as the agribusiness goes, my relatives used to do those jobs (I am Black and from the south), and they are what got my parents through school and put extra money in their pockets. Now those jobs that they used to be able to do and get extra money are no longer being offered to them since there is a steady flood of people willing to do so much cheaper than my relatives.
As far as keeping the cost of food low, it has more to do with government subsidies rather than someone picking apples by hand. Again, my relatives used to work in the poultry business and now they can't get the jobs. Do a quick search about a meat processing plant raid a few years ago when ICE came and rounded up the illegals, and the long lines of people who were there the next day filling out applications to work. People will do the jobs they just have to be able to have them offered to them.
pointofview
Fox, CNN, MSNBC etc. all the same.
MrBum
@Alphaape,
I think it has more to do with most American farms being owned by a handful of giant corporations. It's their power and influence make way for the government subsidies. Most poultry farms, for example, are owned by Tyson Foods and they force their contract farmers to raise poultry in terrible conditions to meet quotas.
I understand your points about American workers being undercut, but doesn't it make more sense to focus the blame on corporations that create a system that necessitates labor at slave wages? Because I can tell you, they're profiting big time from this system while American workers and immigrants are just getting by.
Alphaape
MrBurn: I agree 100% on this and so far, the only candidate who is really saying anything about that is Trump. You may not like his style but honestly, I am tired of the "smooth talking" politician who tells you everything you want to hear. Cruz had a chance to vote against the latest TPP and he didn't.
Not just the low end jobs, but the recent actions by companies like Disney in hiring tech workers on H1B visas, having the US tech employees train them and then firing the US employees and having the H1B tech workers from India go back and do the job at a lot lower price is but another example. One could go on and on in each industry and show examples of big businesses and lobbyist using our so called elected officials to get these laws passed. Part of the reason of the popularity of Trump. Compared to Sanders or Hillary who promise the government will do everything, Trump is saying the government will do things, but they will be done to get businesses to come back to America and start producing goods here vice in some other country.
sfjp330
Alphaape JAN. 28, 2016 - 07:17AM JST Again we get the same argument that they do jobs Americans want to keep the cost of food down.
Time has changed. Trump can still appeal to frustrated voters because is there is huge unrest within voters struggling with the new normal of ongoing insecurity for the middle class and growing divisions between the rich and poor. The combination of populist appeals and the lure of his claim that somehow a business person would instinctively do a better job running the government will have appeal to some on the right. Trump could easily turn his attention back to more business friendly elements of conservatism, such as fighting against tax increases and regulation, which could attract wealthier suburban voters and business leaders who are uncomfortable with Cruz.
Wc626
What a tactful move. He's not disrespecting Iowa. He's not digging his head in the sand. He's having an event for US Veterans. What a great candidate.
Politicians like Sanders don't giv 2-bits about veterans. The democrats would prob give quicker / better health care to illegal immigrants than US Veterans. Obama failed the VA.
dmacleod
@Wc626 - "Politicians like Sanders don't give 2-bits about veterans . . . "
Oh really?
Sanders served as Chairman of the Senate Veterans’ Affairs Committee, and received the 2015 Congressional Award from the Veterans of Foreign Wars (VFW), who said: “It is no understatement to say that Bernie has truly taken care of wounded, ill, and injured veterans and their surviving family members.”
Sanders also lead the "Comprehensive Veterans Health and Benefits and Military Retirement Pay Restoration Act of 2014." The bill was not passed due to a Republican filibuster. However, it did have some Republican support.
To say that Sanders "doesn't care about veterans" is simply not true, and there are plenty of veterans' organizations that will back this up.
Wc626
My bad. You're right & I stand corrected. He's anti-gun though. When the terrorist couple killed all those people in San Bernardino, Sanders blasted guns & NOT Radical Islam.
Alphaape
Lest we forget, Ronald Regan skipped the last Republican debate before the Iowa caucuses back in 1980 and he came out of it fine.
MrBum
Well both of these are problems aren't they? Gun violence just happens to be a lot more prevalent within America's borders and therefore more relevant to your average American realistically speaking.
What concrete plans has Trump offered regarding either of these problems?
Alphaape
@ MrBurn: You haven't been keeping up have you. Trump at least mentioned before this event happened on a ban for all Muslim immigration into the USA. The press and others gasped and clutched their pearls and fell onto the collective fainting couches with the vapors saying how could someone running for office make such a blanket statement and what about human rights, etc. After this tragic event, we find that the female shooter, came from Pakistan via Saudi Arabia, was educated at a school with a well known hatred for the West and the USA. The supposed "vetting" that she should have went through simply was a check on a form, and the DHS/ICE are not allowed to check social media where they would have found her anti-west postings and followings. She was radicalized before she got here, and he turned that way before meeting her. So he did want to do something about part of the problem, but as I said the press and others simply called him a racist for what he was proposing.
ThePBot
Ducking out- the signs of a great leader.