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Every time I think Donald J. Trump cannot lower the bar any further, he digs a trench and lowers it.

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Man's a disgrace to the office.

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bass4funkToday  07:36 am JST

My God! McCain was a man, not a king! Yeah, the WH was slow to order this, but at the same time we don’t know if it was intentional or not. 

Apparently you didn't read the article. The flag was initially lowered, then contrary to tradition immediately raised, then lowered again after protest. There is no possible way this could have been unintentional.

It shouldn't be hard to look presidential in response to a popular senator's death. Say some kind words, keep out of the way of the grieving family, and yet somehow Trump bungled it. No wonder he can't get anything done on North Korea.

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bass4funkToday  07:36 am

Whether intentional or not, I won’t speculate. If it was unintentional...

Pure speculation.

..he wanted to equally give McCain a stab.

What a petty low-life thing to do to MAN who has just died.

...but we all know Trump will not let anyone attack him unscathed.

John McCain’s dying was not an attack on Trump. And yes, all know what vicious, vindictive and petty creature Trump is.

Sadly, his followers accept this sort of behaviour.

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but we all know Trump will not let anyone attack him unscathed.

Right, not even a man who's just died of brain cancer.

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The flag was lowered for a period of time and condolences were given to the family.

What, a couple of hours? That's a period of time? Lol

That’s more than enough considering McCain’s disrespect to the President in this “final message” and the funeral arrangements.

Can you blame them?! I wouldn't want to be eulogized by such an inarticulate moron. Especially after throwing in Trump's narcissism and denigration of McCain's service.

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bass4funkToday  08:34 am JST

Who said it was intentionally ordered? And if so, so what? He rectified it, move on.

Are you trying to argue that White House flags somehow raise and lower themselves?

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I wouldnt have done it personally

Sure.

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My God! McCain was a man, not a king!

The MSM is just using the death of McCain to go after Trump

So you force Trump to say kind words about someone he doesn’t want to say kind words about.

Pretty sad commentary, isn't it.   Someone who gave most of his life to public service, wore our nation's uniform, was forced to endure capture and torture, and the Donnie-defenders here can't even muster one word of praise.  For all our military and vets out there, this is what they think of you.

Sen McCain was not only a man, but a war hero to everyone in this nation, with the lone exception of Cadet Bone Spurs in the White House, who in typical man-child behavior, wouldn't let the flag fly at half-mast for just one day.

Its illuminating to see what the Great Orange One was doing when Sen McCain was being tortured in Hanoi. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/07/20/what-donald-trump-was-up-to-while-john-mccain-was-suffering-as-a-prisoner-of-war/?utm_term=.d7f11fcf2180

It doesn't surprise me these Trumpsters disparage Sen McCain - given they've called our military personnel who work in intelligence "dishonest" and "scum."

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That’s Trump’s personal feelings, and if he feels like that, that’s his prerogative right or wrong.

I just don't understand your attitude on this. Trump is not just a man, he's the President of your country. As President, Trump's major responsibility is to represent the nation, not himself. When someone who's been a major public figure dies - and in the case of John McCain, someone who belongs to your own party, what's more, even if he doesn't agree with you on some major issues - you don't let your personal feelings take precedence over your responsibilities as President. You need to make some major acknowledgement of that man's service, without having to be forced into it. Doing otherwise just looks petty and mean-spirited.

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Interesting. I'd considered the McCain-Trump feud more political theater, but events clearly show some very bad blood. McCain was simply reacting to very insulting comments that would have resulted in dueling not so long ago - the feud originated from Trump. One wonders what psychological phenomenon causes Trump to be so callous, egotistical, shallow.

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Wasn’t the only president attached draft, and? But maybe he didn’t want to.

Thanks for agreeing with me that he's a cowardly draft-dodger.

Its illuminating to see what the Great Orange One was doing when Sen McCain was being tortured in Hanoi. 

What I think is even more interesting is how now how the left are seemingly idolizing the man, when before, the left couldn’t stand him

You would think that. McCain flying jets off an aircraft carrier deck, being shot down and tortured.  Trump eating McDonalds and watching Gilligan's Island...

No one is disparaging McCain the man, many Trump supporters and Republicans are disparaging his record as a politician, the difference between us and liberals is that we can keep things separate, liberals can’t do that they lump everything into one big giant garbage bag"

"One giant garbage bag" - a good description of the way you and your President treat a war hero at the time of his passing.  Our veterans are seeing this, and they're disgusted.

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Wow, McCain died while in office. It's a big difference than dying outside of office. Whenever I see a federal/state flag lowered I have to look up to see why. McCain isn't the MSM darling, he just wasn't ashamed to criticize Trump when Trump did something stupid. And as I said, he died while being a public servant in the federal government.

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Honest, there was a reason for that: holding out past June means there is no special election, but that the governor can choose a (Republican) replacement to serve through 2020.

Trump's latest tweet is telling:

Despite our differences on policy and politics, I respect Senator John McCain’s service to our country and, in his honor, have signed a proclamation to fly the flag of the United States at half-staff until the day of his interment.

Notice the correct grammar and punctuation and lack of random capitalization. The adults have clearly seized his phone again.

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If it was unintentional...

Care to speculated on IF IT WAS INTENTIONAL?

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Petty actions from the white house. They should be ashamed. The man served his country for nearly his entire adult life and any Senator, even the most lefty of the lefties, should she pass away deserves the flag at half mast honor.

The left likes McCain because he stopped the repeal of the ACA. Many in the center, including many republicans like that he did that too. Personally, it is causing a hardship for my family and I wish he would have voted differently, but that doesn't alter my respect. I have no doubt that his vote on that bill was doing what he thought was best for the country.

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Trump's latest tweet is telling:

Despite our differences on policy and politics, I respect Senator John McCain’s service to our country and, in his honor, have signed a proclamation to fly the flag of the United States at half-staff until the day of his interment.

Notice the correct grammar and punctuation and lack of random capitalization. The adults have clearly seized his phone again.

It doesn't appear this was a tweet. This appears to be a statement prepared by whitehouse staffers.

It never ceases to amaze me how even mourning the death of a Semator, Donny has to make himself the center of attention. Is it too much to ask to just make a statement McCain's service and declaring all flags at half-staff?

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bass4funk: "Yeah, the WH was slow to order this, but at the same time we don’t know if it was intentional or not."

And I've got a unicorn to sell you, bud. It'll fit in well with the rest of the heard you've ordered over the years.

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Trump showing once again like on many occasions he has no business in the white house..sad very sad

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That’s Trump’s personal feelings, and if he feels like that, that’s his prerogative right or wrong.

John McCain hated everything about Donald J. Trump, he did not direct his hatred toward the office of the President of the United States.

Fact is Trump lets his petty, immature and vindictive personal feelings dictate everything he does and says, affecting (infecting) the whole country, instead of growing a pair and separating personal issues from his responsibilities as POTUS.

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No one is treating the man and the war hero bad, his political life as a politician is a different story. I’m not going to sugarcoat it.

This is sad partisanship. It is possible to respect a politician whose views you disagree with. This idea is lost on those who see everything as a war between right/left, conservative/liberal.

McCain seemed to vote with his conscience. This idiotic word ‘rhino’ shows a mindset which likes to see partisanship or regards the ability to do screaming 180s at the drop of a Trump brain fart as a virtue.

I’d guarantee if this situation was a Democrat who voted with his or her conscience, you’d be praising that politician. And yes, Democrats would never do that, ROFL, Smh, unicornverse etc.

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I wouldn’t have done it personally, but we all know Trump will not let anyone attack him unscathed.

Exactly. He is nothing more than a bitter, vengeful, immature jerk.

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the adults have clearly seized his phone again

It is funny when that happens. In the next few days we can expect a particularly powerful barrage of trash on Twitter from Trump just to spite the adult who wrote this sensible stuff. Trump may even resort to a whoopee cushion.

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Disgraceful. He disrespected McCain and U.S. veterans by raising the flag to full-mast from half-mast. After pressure from angry veterans, Trump relented and finally lowered the flag again.

Even if Trump didn't like Sen. John McCain, he should've respected McCain's service to his country in both the military and political arenas. On top of that, McCain was a POW for years in the Hanoi Hilton during the Vietnam War and refused to leave early before his other fellow soldiers and POWs.

As a human being, McCain beat Trump hands down.

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As well as another liberal President, but yes, on the “two,”I do agree.

Good - by the way, what do you think of our current President being a coward and a draft dodger?

You would think that. McCain flying jets off an aircraft carrier deck, being shot down and tortured. Trump eating McDonalds and watching Gilligan's Island...

But Trump became President and McCain couldn’t, so....

But McCain has honor, integrity, dignity, and a nation's respect; Trump doesn't...

No one is treating the man and the war hero bad, his political life as a politician is a different story. I’m not going to sugarcoat it.

You've made 7 posts on this thread, not one said McCain was a war hero who deserved the respect and admiration of our nation.

@lincil. thanks for the link. made me realise it is better to go clubbing in NY than using chemical weapons on women and children in foreign countries.

My pleasure - glad to know this is what all Trump supporters think of our brave men and women who wear our nation's uniform...

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Someone should ask Trump if he feels any shame protesting our flag and protesting our armed services.

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Oh, Jizmo, this has thrust itself far beyond partisanship. Both GWB and Obama will attend and speak at the funeral. One dreads Trump's tweets that day as he is notably excluded.

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Then McCain was the one calling him a dictator and calling his supporters crazy. So Trump just has to let McCain jump all over him insult him and just take it? That’s just not going to happen. McCain started it and Trump finished it.

And before that Trump claimed he wasn't a hero. He TRASHED his service. Cowardly Donny, the fatty who took 5 draft deferments, trashed McCain for having the gall the to publicly disagree with Trump's characterization of Mexicans. OMG!!! He disagreed with Trump, so Trump should trash his service? Classless.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/the-conversation/sd-trump-vs-mccain-short-turbulent-history-of-discord-20170209-htmlstory.html

Oh, stop! If Trump was overly sincere and sweet as apples everyone would have said, Trump is faking it. No one on the left would’ve said, the President was so kind and gracious, he did the right thing, the left would’ve found something to complain about.

Oh Stop! Trump should have apologized. He didn't. He doesn't. Because he is a narcissist and a coward. Hypothetical scenarios are all you have, the sad reality is Trump is trash.

I don’t think so, Trump is President and is still alive

For now. If I were in office, I wouldn't ever lower the flag for Donny, the 5 time draft dodger.

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So the petty little trust fund man-baby had to back down again. Womp womp!

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Trump's instincts are unfailingly wrong in every situation. There is seriously nothing between his ears.

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The Washington Post reported that White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders, Chief of Staff Kelly and other senior staff had urged a statement be released referring to McCain as a "hero" -- but Trump opted to tweet instead.

Trump is so petty, even in someone's death who served his country. A couple weeks ago, he wouldn't even say McCain's name while praising a bill that's named after McCain

Even the American Legion and veterans groups had to admonish him to get him to lower the White House flag once again

Whatever his personal feelings, the White House is a public office that serves to reflect the country, not to reflect someone's personal bruised ego. He seems to keep forgetting that - it's not a private business that only represents a company

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That's why the left always gets their messages in a bunch, they never listen to anyone other than the left or people on the right that have disowned the right. Truth hurts. Graham is right, both men are similar in many ways if you go by personality. But Graham knows both men very well, so I take his word for it.

So you trust a Republican politician talking to a pro-Trump, rightist sock puppet on a pro-Trump, rightist element of the MSM.

Excuse me if I take a pass.

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Man! How much longer till Trump and his goons get kicked out? The worst administration (and the stupidest) ever.

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Lindsey Graham said to Hannity

I stopped reading there.

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bass

Trying to defend the indefensible yet again.

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BTW, I'd say the same thing when Trump dies: don't be petty, mourn him, then only after can go back to criticizing him

I can see Trump's point the Vietnamese called McCain the singing canary because of all the information he gave them

There's no evidence of that:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/was-sen-john-mccain-a-hanoi-hilton-songbird/

Was Sen. John McCain a ‘Hanoi Hilton Songbird’?

False

The allegation that he was a “songbird” during his captivity originated with the group Vietnam Veterans Against McCain, which distributed a flyer to media outlets in South Carolina during his 2008 campaign for the Republican Party’s presidential nomination.

The flyer reportedly referred to him as a “Hanoi Hilton Songbird,” a reference to the “Hanoi Hilton,” the nickname for Hỏa Lò Prison.

The claim was roundly debunked at the time by Politifact, which cited both fellow prisoners of war and author Robert Timberg, who interviewed several POWs while writing John McCain: An American Odyssey, a biography of the senator. “I’ve never known of any occasion in which Sen. McCain provided the North Vietnamese with anything of value,” said Timberg, who died in 2016.

The two men responsible for the flyer, Gerard “Jerry” Kiley and Ted Sampley, formed a similar group in 2004 targeting another Vietnam veteran running for the presidency, then-Democratic Party nominee John Kerry.

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^ In fact, after learning of McCain's death, the former director himself of the Hoa Lo prison remembered him as stubborn:

https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/southeast-asia/article/2161381/john-mccains-vietnamese-captors-pay-tribute-their-stubborn

John McCain’s Vietnamese jailer pays tribute to ‘stubborn’ prisoner

One of them, the former director of the infamous Hoa Lo prison, recalls verbally sparring with the famous inmate and says McCain’s refusal to budge on his views eventually earned his admiration.

“It was his stubbornness, his strong stance that I loved when arguing with him,” said retired colonel Tran Trong Duyet.

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It's likely best for McCain that he never became president. If he had, all those GOPers vilifying him on this spot would instead be spouting adoration. And McCain never wanted to be a totem.

It's not policy or progress that some Americans want; it's simply power.

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but we all know Trump will not let anyone attack him unscathed. yet McCain got the last say in by not allowing Trump to his Memorial but other POTUS are fine. Trump now bowed to pressure and paid tribute to McCain . Seems like McCain got the last say afterall, the dead dont suffer the living.

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bass4funk: "No one is treating the man and the war hero bad"

Yes, Trump is, and now his own people are upset about it, too... except people like yourself that is, who are treating the man and the war hero bad, too. After all, you support Trump when he says "McCain is not a war hero, he was captured. People who get captured aren't heroes". I'm paraphrasing a little, but that's what he said, and either you think Trump is dead wrong, or you treat McCain as someone who is not a hero because he was captured. plain and simple.

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I doubt even Trump is that stupid

I'll take those odds :)

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Bass: I have a very deep respect for McCain as a war hero, but 

You said it was OK for Trump to mock his POW status. People who have respect for a war hero don’t do that.

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bass

If it involves Trump, never say never!

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Bass: During the debate, anything goes.

So you’d do it.

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He didn’t, the media is doing that

Baloney. Trump's released the statement and the media reported it.

. What was Trump supposed to do? Pretend he liked McCain?

Oh, I don't know? He should have never trashed McCain's service? Apologize for what he said and take it? Not be so petty as to order the flag raised back to full staff.

Why doesn't Trump ever apologize? Is somehow beneath the president?

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I think what Trump supporters are saying is that they would be OK with Obama or Hillary smearing someone's military service and all POWs in general, as long as they were being criticized.

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Oh, stop! If Trump was overly sincere and sweet as apples everyone would have said, Trump is faking it

It was faked. A literate, grown-up tweeted something trash-free and measured about McCain. You are the most literate poster on this forum. You know Trump didn’t write that.

Trump was then forced to back down by praising McCain through gritted teeth.

What a wimp.

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Ug. Does Trump even have handlers anymore? Of all the things that Trump does to attract criticism, some right, some wrong, this one could have so easily been avoided. No one would have forgotten you hated the man.

However, I felt that the posthumous statement was, despite the wall reference, really aimed at everyone on both sides to stop being so hateful, not just a dig at Trump and the right.

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180-Man manages a double-180 this time! All of America laughs at him.

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now if Trump wants to lower himself even further by belittling a dead war hero, I doubt even Trump is that stupid

He did it to a gold star family.

Is she even allowed to talk???

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The draft dodger disrespects the war hero. What else is new.

“Draft dodger”?

Why would any man have passed up the opportunity to go to Vietnam? Don’t wars build character? Don’t they give (with a bit of massaging) bona fides for future careers in politics?

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Petulant, pouting tit ! Remove him already.

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Hearing talk of not only impeachment but now the idea of annulling Trump's illegitimate presidency is being talked about. In the words of dopey Don Jr., 'I love it'.

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Graham?! There's an Justice Department putsch coming, and he's in on it.

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However, I felt that the posthumous statement was, despite the wall reference, really aimed at everyone on both sides to stop being so hateful, not just a dig at Trump and the right.

I agree, but even if it wasn't meant that way, it should be taken that way.

I read McCain's final statement. Powerful, and a good message regardless of your political affiliation.

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It shouldn't be hard to look presidential in response to a popular senator's death.

“Popular”?

With whom? Certainly with enough constituents in Arizona to be elected repeatedly. But certainly not with Democratic Party operatives during his run for the presidency in 2008 against junior Senator Barack Obama. Go back and read the criticism.

”Be nice, Mr. President. The man’s dead and can’t hurt you.”

There are so many people vying for standing room on McCain’s coffin to denounce Trump that it’s in danger of caving in. These weepers are just trying to extract as much political capital as possible while the corpse is fresh.

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180-Man manages a double-180 this time! All of America laughs at him.

Not All of America is laughing, much of it is Crying in Shame.

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Flags up, down, up, down.

The actions of the orange clown.

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So I don’t think Trump cares one bit what the family or others think about his feelings on McCain.

He cares that they refuse to have trash like him at their funeral though.

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Naw, that’s not Trump. He got something McCain always deeply wanted but could never get and that’s the presidency.

And yet Trump is still trash. The presidency can't wash away his stench.

He hasn't raised himself, he's lowered the office. This won't be the last funeral he's been kept away from. Nor is it the first. It's his second in five months - the Bushes wanted none of him either.

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"Why would any man have passed up the opportunity to go to Vietnam?"

You would have gone if you could have, right, Ike?

Oh, Serrano, I could indeed have volunteered and requested to be sent to Vietnam. In fact millions of men could have volunteered but didn’t. Why is that?

They weren’t patriots? We weren’t talking “one, if by land, and two, if by sea” in Vietnam. Saigon was nowhere near the green at Lexington.

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LagunaAug. 28  03:17 pm JST

Oh, Jizmo, this has thrust itself far beyond partisanship. Both GWB and Obama will attend and speak at the funeral. One dreads Trump's tweets that day as he is notably excluded.

Trump has rightfully been banned from attending John McCain's funeral, not least because, if he were allowed to attend he would, as always, find a way to make the occasion ALL ABOUT HIMSELF.

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Trump has rightfully been banned from attending John McCain's funeral, not least because, if he were allowed to attend he would, as always, find a way to make the occasion ALL ABOUT HIMSELF.

And that’s fine, there’s no love loss between the two, that hate is mutual. So I don’t think Trump cares one bit what the family or others think about his feelings on McCain. Both their rights and their prerogative. Although, I did think McCain was spiteful when he killed the ACA repeal, every Republican wanted it done, originally McCain was always against the ACA, but he couldn’t let his animosity go and gave a thumbs down killing the bill. So essentially McCain was equally thinking about himself and NOT the people that wanted the GOP to kill it, it was all about him, so both men do have ego problems.

For some professional insights into Trump's aberrant behaviour, might I suggest you read the book The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump by Lee Bandy published earlier this year?

I think this book is better from Judge Jeanine Pirro: Liars, Leakers and Liberals: The case against the Anti-Trump Conspiracy NYT Best seller.

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bass4funkToday  01:02 am JST

And yet Trump is still trash.

And you are entitled to your personal opinion, millions don’t think so.

You're right, millions don't think

The presidency can't wash away his stench.

And the right and this President are laughing their butts off.

Just another indication of their collective stupidity.

He hasn't raised himself, he's lowered the office. This won't be the last funeral he's been kept away from. Nor is it the first. It's his second in five months - the Bushes wanted none of him either.

Ok and?

The strong message from these two powerful Republican families is that, they did not want to give anyone the impression that they recognise a Cesspool dwelling creature like Trump as a fit and proper person to occupy the office of POTUS.

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The funeral will be broadcast live on TV this weekend. Trump can sulk and pout because he has disgraced himself once again. Since McCain didn't invite him to the funeral (Trump would spoil things anyway) and Trump was egged to put the WH flag back at half-mast again, it only shows what an arrogant wimp Trump really is.

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Trump showing yet again what a despicable and disgusting individual he is.

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The draft dodger disrespects the war hero. What else is new.

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There are so many people vying for standing room on McCain’s coffin to denounce Trump that it’s in danger of caving in. These weepers are just trying to extract as much political capital as possible while the corpse is fresh.

Yes, definitely.

Funny is these folks like to remind us how they always take the "high road", while standing on the face of John McCain.

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LagunaAug. 28  09:41 am JST

Interesting. I'd considered the McCain-Trump feud more political theater, but events clearly show some very bad blood. McCain was simply reacting to very insulting comments that would have resulted in dueling not so long ago - the feud originated from Trump. One wonders what psychological phenomenon causes Trump to be so callous, egotistical, shallow.

Trump has does not have a clue about politics so, the term term 'political theatre' definitely does not apply.

For some professional insights into Trump's aberrant behaviour, might I suggest you read the book The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump by Lee Bandy published earlier this year?

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"Why would any man have passed up the opportunity to go to Vietnam?"

You would have gone if you could have, right, Ike?

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And yet Trump is still trash.

And you are entitled to your personal opinion, millions don’t think so.

The presidency can't wash away his stench.

And the right and this President are laughing their butts off.

He hasn't raised himself, he's lowered the office. This won't be the last funeral he's been kept away from. Nor is it the first. It's his second in five months - the Bushes wanted none of him either.

Ok and?

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Yes, Trump is, and now his own people are upset about it,

Actually, No. As I have started I think McCain was a great man for what he went through and I’m a huge fan of our military, I just have a problem with many things that McCain said and did during his time as a senator.

too... except people like yourself that is, who are treating the man and the war hero bad, *

Ok, so you’re telling me that I have to sit here and lie and say that I think the man was a great politician? In other words, I should lie to make the left feel good?

too. After all, you support Trump when he says "McCain is not a war hero, he was captured.

I never said that.

People who get captured aren't heroes". I'm paraphrasing a little, but that's what he said, and either you think Trump is dead wrong, or you treat McCain as someone who is not a hero because he was captured. plain and simple.

Please scroll up and read what I wrote.

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I think McCain was a polarizing figure. I was not a fan myself. Could Trump have handled it better, perhaps. But keep in mind, Trump is not a politician. He is a shoot from the hip business man who holds grudges. In that context what happened with the flag is not surprising.

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"The draft dodger disrespects the war hero. What else is new."

Um, a lot of people didn't serve in the military during the Vietnam War. Are they all draft dodgers? And though McCain served in the military in Vietnam, how exactly was he a war hero? Whose lives did he save, specifically? Not everyone who served can be called a hero, you know. And, anyway, the man became a warmonger who had no qualms about putting others in harm's way in adventures like Iraq. This cannot be denied. Plus a taxi driver told me that he was the most arrogant customer he ever had, which may or not be true, but hey, it's better than 50-50 that he ain't lyin'.

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He cares that they refuse to have trash like him at their funeral though.

Naw, that’s not Trump. He got something McCain always deeply wanted but could never get and that’s the presidency. He was definitely jealous about that one.

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I can see Trump's point the Vietnamese called McCain the singing canary because of all the information he gave them, so how many American lives did this information kill, he wanted America to militarily intervene in 13 different countries

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the president doesn’t care about the family of a dead veteran and I like that

I don’t care one way or another whether the President likes McCain or not, that beef is between them...or was.

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As a politician, McCain was no Barry Goldwater. McCain was a RINO --- Republican In Name Only. The Democrats and the leftwing media will miss him more than the Republicans.

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So the petty little trust fund man-baby had to back down again. Womp womp!

Is there a crime being a trust fund kid? I was? Sounds to me the left are jealous.

As a politician, McCain was no Barry Goldwater. McCain was a RINO --- Republican In Name Only. The Democrats and the leftwing media will miss him more than the Republicans.

I completely agee. Spot on!

I stopped reading there.

That's why the left always gets their messages in a bunch, they never listen to anyone other than the left or people on the right that have disowned the right. Truth hurts. Graham is right, both men are similar in many ways if you go by personality. But Graham knows both men very well, so I take his word for it.

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McCain served in Vietnam, then became a warmonger and dissed the president for meeting with Putin and not starting a war with Russia. Incredible...

Oh my...

Trump Gives Regards to McCain's Family; Corporate Press Outraged

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk_3Q7fwfSo

-8 ( +2 / -10 )

Hearing talk of not only impeachment but now the idea of annulling Trump's illegitimate presidency is being talked about. In the words of dopey Don Jr., 'I love it'

The only person talking that insane hysterical joke was that loon Robert Reich, once again, that will never, ever happen.

-8 ( +2 / -10 )

Trying to defend the indefensible yet again. 

No, I gave up on liberals a looooong time ago.

You said it was OK for Trump to mock his POW status. People who have respect for a war hero don’t do that.

During the debate, anything goes. McCain was bitter because he lost to Obama and couldn't get over that and then Trump came along, was surprised that so many people voted for him and that he destroyed 17 other Republican candidates, he called Trump supporters despicable and the people never forgot that and that's when Trump slammed hm for his war record. so in a fight, there is no such thing as fighting fair, you fight to win, anything else is a joke and it worked and McCain until his death always made it known to jab him every moment he could and like with Obama, he couldn't cope with the fact that the man became President.

-9 ( +2 / -11 )

If it involves Trump, never say never!

Yeah, you’re right, he did win when everyone said, he couldn’t.

Oh, I don't know? He should have never trashed McCain's service?

Then McCain was the one calling him a dictator and calling his supporters crazy. So Trump just has to let McCain jump all over him insult him and just take it? That’s just not going to happen. McCain started it and Trump finished it.

Apologize for what he said and take it? Not be so petty as to order the flag raised back to full staff. 

Why doesn't Trump ever apologize? Is somehow beneath the president?

Oh, stop! If Trump was overly sincere and sweet as apples everyone would have said, Trump is faking it. No one on the left would’ve said, the President was so kind and gracious, he did the right thing, the left would’ve found something to complain about.

-9 ( +2 / -11 )

Good - by the way, what do you think of our current President being a coward and a draft dodger?

The same as the previous, hippy-era and before my time, these people were anti-war, ok, nothing to do with me and they felt It was the right thing to do, don’t care, don’t lose sleep over it.

But McCain has honor, integrity, dignity, and a nation's respect; Trump doesn't..

To some “Yes, to others No.”

You've made 7 posts on this thread, not one said McCain was a war hero who deserved the respect and admiration of our nation.

Please check my other posts. I said, he was a war hero. I don’t need to walk down memory lane and tell people what they can google or YouTube about the man. I have a very deep respect for McCain as a war hero, but less as a politician, I have zero respect for the left that now all of a sudden praise the man when 8 years ago, the left attacked him as viciously as bad as Bush and other conservatives, especially when McCain wanted to increase the troops in Iraq, the left just excoriated him. Now he bashes Trump and he’s the lefts hero....for the moment like Cohen and Omarosa...

So it’s not about McCain it’s about who or which Republicans they can pick off to hate Trump and that’ll be the lefts hero.

This is sad partisanship. It is possible to respect a politician whose views you disagree with. This idea is lost on those who see everything as a war between right/left, conservative/liberal. 

I agree, but sadly we have to separate the man and his politics.

McCain seemed to vote with his conscience.

Not always.

This idiotic word ‘rhino’ shows a mindset which likes to see partisanship or regards the ability to do screaming 180s at the drop of a Trump brain fart as a virtue. 

Lindsey Graham said to Hannity, Trump and McCain were personality-wise very similar, interesting. McCain would often explode and at times would say questionable things. Both good men, but so fundamentals stubborn.

I’d guarantee if this situation was a Democrat who voted with his or her conscience, you’d be praising that politician. And yes, Democrats would never do that, ROFL, Smh, unicornverse etc

Problem is, the only real sincere Blue dog Democrats are either retired or dead except for Joe Lieberman.

-12 ( +1 / -13 )

Thanks for agreeing with me that he's a cowardly draft-dodger.

As well as another liberal President, but yes, on the “two,”I do agree.

You would think that. McCain flying jets off an aircraft carrier deck, being shot down and tortured. Trump eating McDonalds and watching Gilligan's Island...

But Trump became President and McCain couldn’t, so....

"One giant garbage bag" - a good description of the way you and your President treat a war hero at the time of his passing. Our veterans are seeing this, and they're disgusted.

No one is treating the man and the war hero bad, his political life as a politician is a different story. I’m not going to sugarcoat it.

And I've got a unicorn to sell you, bud. It'll fit in well with the rest of the heard you've ordered over the years.

What?

-13 ( +3 / -16 )

It never ceases to amaze me how even mourning the death of a Semator, Donny has to make himself the center of attention. Is it too much to ask to just make a statement McCain's service and declaring all flags at half-staff?

He didn’t, the media is doing that. What was Trump supposed to do? Pretend he liked McCain? If he did that, the media would say, he’s not sincere, he does this stunt with the flag, he’s heartless and disrespectful. So either way it really doesn’t matter what Trump does the media will excoriate him No matter what.

-17 ( +2 / -19 )

Cadet Bone Spurs in the White House, who in typical man-child behavior, wouldn't let the flag fly at half-mast for just one day.

Wasn’t the only president attached draft, and? But maybe he didn’t want to.

Its illuminating to see what the Great Orange One was doing when Sen McCain was being tortured in Hanoi. 

What I think is even more interesting is how now how the left are seemingly idolizing the man, when before, the left couldn’t stand him

It doesn't surprise me these Trumpsters disparage Sen McCain - given they've called our military personnel who work in intelligence "dishonest" and "scum."

No one is disparaging McCain the man, many Trump supporters and Republicans are disparaging his record as a politician, the difference between us and liberals is that we can keep things separate, liberals can’t do that they lump everything into one big giant garbage bag.

-22 ( +2 / -24 )

So McCain, one of the biggest war mongers in congress is now a darling of the MSM? Wow! The MSM is just using the death of McCain to go after Trump, and the MSM followers are all on the bandwagon. How easily the left is lead.

-23 ( +8 / -31 )

Sure.

Exactly!

Apparently you didn't read the article. The flag was initially lowered, then contrary to tradition immediately raised, then lowered again after protest. There is no possible way this could have been unintentional.

Who said it was intentionally ordered? And if so, so what? He rectified it, move on.

It shouldn't be hard to look presidential in response to a popular senator's death.

It shouldn’t, but we don’t know I’d if it was intentional or not or what the President was thinking or what he felt. Again, I wouldn’t have taken that route, but that’s me.

Say some kind words, keep out of the way of the grieving family, and yet somehow Trump bungled it. No wonder he can't get anything done on North Korea.

He did that, even most of the pundits gave the President high marks for being magnanimous about this situation.

-23 ( +3 / -26 )

So you force Trump to say kind words about someone he doesn’t want to say kind words about. Then blast his statements as being dishonest and not reflective of his true feelings.

The flag was lowered for a period of time and condolences were given to the family. That’s more than enough considering McCain’s disrespect to the President in this “final message” and the funeral arrangements.

-25 ( +6 / -31 )

Can you blame them?! I wouldn't want to be eulogized by such an inarticulate moron. Especially after throwing in Trump's narcissism and denigration of McCain's service.

And you know what, McCain has every right to snub Trump and not allow him to attend his funeral, I don’t have a problem with that, but having said that, the nation doesn’t revolve around McCain and if Trump wants to be vocal about McCain he has that right and MAYBE this was his way of snubbing McCain back, but I don’t want to speculate.

-25 ( +2 / -27 )

Right, not even a man who's just died of brain cancer.

That’s Trump’s personal feelings, and if he feels like that, that’s his prerogative right or wrong.

Are you trying to argue that White House flags somehow raise and lower themselves?

What? I’m not even going to answer that lame question.

-26 ( +2 / -28 )

My God! McCain was a man, not a king! Yeah, the WH was slow to order this, but at the same time we don’t know if it was intentional or not. Both men hated each other. McCain doesn’t want him at his funeral and maybe at this, Trump maybe decided to respond to McCain with this late message. Whether intentional or not, I won’t speculate. If it was unintentional given the fact he has a lot geopolitically on his plate or if he wanted to equally give McCain a stab. I wouldn’t have done it personally, but we all know Trump will not let anyone attack him unscathed.

-31 ( +6 / -37 )

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