Trump vows 'fair, but firm' approach to illegal immigration

Flip flop. Pivot. Sarcasm.

Who knows?

The sad thing is, the people going to be most burned by this chump are his marks.

'Walk back', 'flip-flop', 'pivot' or Helter Skelter? When I get to the bottom I go back to the top of the slide Where I stop and I turn and I go for a ride Till I get to the bottom and I see you again.

'He was being sarcastic.' 'He didn't say that.' 'He was taken out of context.' 'He was kidding.'

He's more of a politician than any politician I can recall. Fortunately for him he's got Rupert Murdoch's global media empire backing him and spinning and re-spinning his phrases to make them palatable for his followers.

Has he shown his tax returns yet? Come clean about his connections with Chinese and Russian financiers?

He's more of a politician than any politician I can recall.

That's the thing about most politicians: they know how to say things in a way that leaves them the most wigglie room. Y'know, for later.

Trump is literally more a politician: he saw a vacuum for 'plain speech' on the right, and served it up.

Suckers.

It show Trump is a serious businessman and a sincere politician and above all a patriotic American !

His scheduled Thursday speech on immigration has been cancelled as, apparently, his immigration plan is "under review" (seems common with Trump - happened with his speech on his economic plan and is happening now with his taxes). As such, nothing in the article above should be taken as truth.

First of all, he never talked about deporting everyone. I seriously doubt he will “Moderate” what he has on his website.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform

Immigration Reform That Will Make America Great Again

The three core principles of Donald J. Trump’s immigration plan

When politicians talk about “immigration reform” they mean: amnesty, cheap labor and open borders. The Schumer-Rubio immigration bill was nothing more than a giveaway to the corporate patrons who run both parties.

Real immigration reform puts the needs of working people first – not wealthy globetrotting donors. We are the only country in the world whose immigration system puts the needs of other nations ahead of our own. That must change. Here are the three core principles of real immigration reform:

A nation without borders is not a nation. There must be a wall across the southern border.

A nation without laws is not a nation. Laws passed in accordance with our Constitutional system of government must be enforced.

A nation that does not serve its own citizens is not a nation. Any immigration plan must improve jobs, wages and security for all Americans.

He's making all his supporters who claimed he would deport all 11 million illegals look stupid now for repeating something even he won't repeat anymore.

Or rather, he's exposed their stupidity for believing him in the first place.

But even so, they still won't abandon him, because he 'speaks the truth'.

Reminds me of the guy who goes to the track and buys as many possible combinations of bets as he can, so that he looks like he knew what he was taking about when one of them is actually right after the race.

So what is it? Deport, not deport? Fair deportion? Are these even policies? If this were a business, and it was run the way it is run now by the Republicans, it would have bankrupted many, many times over now (seems at least one person in the whole campaign has plenty of experience doing that...).

Instead, he lies, insults and flip-flops his way through pretty much everything and everyone and his herd say "me-eeehh" and hand over their wallets. Thank you very much thinks Trump - till the next fundraiser!

Clinton goes looking for money from rich indiviiduals....

meanwhile,

Trump is working on negotiations and fair deals. Very telling article.

“'I’m not flip-flopping,' Trump said. 'We want to come up with a really fair, but firm answer. It has to be very firm. But we want something fair.'”

Everything's negotiable to Donald. Central platform planks, core values, promises that aren't promises, his vision (such as it is) for the future of America, all of it's in play to get you to buy that used car.

Flop-flip, flip-flop, flippety-flappety, floppity-bippitee-bobbitee-boo! How many many many times can I possibly fool you?

Well, as long as we're talking about Trump.

Notice how he don't tweet about the polls so much these day? Gee. Wonder why... Trump is gonna lose. That much is pretty assured, barring HRC being caught on video strangling a kitten, while laughing maniacally.

Nope. Trumpy can read polls. And he has increased his blabber about a 'rigged' election. Which is awesome, because it is depressing Republican enthusiasm. His conspiracy will only get more and more common. After the election, it is possible that he will claim he just lost because the fix was in. And his followers will believe it. Because they are insane.

How can this be? well, just think you know about the Ryan Lochte olympic scandal. Now imagine you stopped getting news last week on Tuesday. In your world, Ryan Lochte was robbed at gunpoint in Rio.

That is how the right wing brain works. They get a steady diet of paranoia, conspiracy theories, hate, and plain nonsense that tells them what they think they want to hear. They then simply tune out all the stuff that contradicts it.

In their brains, Lochte was robbed at gunpoint.

"...Trump indicated that he was open to considering allowing those who have not committed crimes, beyond their immigration offenses, to obtain some form of legal status..."

Gee, that sounds familiar. Wasn't there a president named Obama who proposed that.

Does fair and firm apply to the wall that Mexico will pay for to keep the Latino rapists out?

Trumps supporters think he is not a standard political flip-flopping constantly, but this article proves they do not have any idea who Trump really is. A con man basically. The whole campaign is a publicity stunt to build his brand.

Flip flop. Pivot. Sarcasm.

Who knows?

The sad thing is, the people going to be most burned by this chump are his marks.

Yeah, that's such a crime. Obama flipped and flopped on his infamous Red Line, being the most transparent administration, not being involved in any wars or how about Hillary's stance on supporting gay marriage and on the Iraq war, so what else is new? Welcome to the world of politics.....both sides do it, both sides play to their base.

It's okay if Trump is a total looney nutter, but Trump is a dangerous looney nutter

@Lizz

A nation that does not serve its own citizens is not a nation. Any immigration plan must improve jobs, wages and security for all Americans.

I actually agree with this. If this is really Trump's plan though, he chose the wrong party. While there may be few voices calling for this in the Democratic party, there are no voices on the Republican side. Labor and workers' rights is a progressive platform.

No doubt he 'postponed' his speech in Colorado on Thursday because his advisors looked over his notes, rolled their eyes and said, 'Ah Donald, you can't say that and you can't say that and.......you can't say that either!'

Sorry, so what's his immigration plan?

One forgets that Trump is only a small part of the problem regarding immigration. The system and the people already running the system are the problem. Even if Trump gets elected it will take several years before any effective changes will occur, except may be to overturn some of Obama's dictates and stop sanctuary cities by stopping the funding. A lot will depend on Congress that allowed all the problems to exists anyway.

However you may take it.... a strong and aggressive "words" that warn and prepare the entire world as to what to expect and that the world cannot take advantage of the USA is important and direly needed.

That is what a leader does.... stand up and face the problems directly and not avoid and hide behind idealism and existing systems that do not work.

Sorry, so what's his immigration plan?

It depends - what do you want it to be? Because whatever that is, if you can get a meeting with him, he'll tell you that's his plan.

Looking forward to a fair but firm approach to investigating Melania's early days in the US, when she was working on modelling assignments on a visa which required regular trips back to Slovenia to renew, in other words a visa which did not permit work such as, er, modelling assignments.

There are fairness and there are fairness as there are firmness...

The key to it all is that the USA is known to be and may still be a land of "opportunity" and hopefully and not a land of "handouts" to every poor soul that may or may not even contribute to the betterment of our society.

The word opportunity means a chance to "work" and "earn" and not a right to receive from the work and earnings of others. It certainly does not mean and is not an opportunity to harm and destroy our nation.

"[T]he campaign is working on substantive policy to help the undocumented that are here, including some type of status so they would not be deported."

He shifts his position at a moment's notice and with only one thing in mind: to garner votes. He lies to get votes. My god, how can his supporters stomach this crap?

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[Flip flop. Pivot. Sarcasm] -- "[S]o what else is new? Welcome to the world of politics.....both sides do it, both sides play to their base."

Umm... Typically, politicians don't flip-flop so frequently over the course of a single campaign, or, as is the case with Trump, in the course of a single week (or days, even).

Trump has been fairly consistent in his message, "Immigrants must go!" since the start of his campaign and his message has not wavered a bit.

Until this week.

Roughly around the same time he decided he should start caring about black Americans.

Forty miles away from the nearest predominantly black community.

Not only is he a pandering, opportunistic liar, but it would appear he's also a coward.

Are we talking about the same guy who kept saying he wanted to repeal the 14th amendment? According to him all the illegals and their U.S. born children would have to get out of the country. (Something that would be unconstitutional as you cannot deport U.S. citzens). Now he's backtracking and flip flopping. Who is he trying to fool?

I heard he doesn't want to be president because he can't paint Trump on Air Force One. That is a real problem for him. He just can't mention this publicly.

Trump once again making a fool out of his supporters? No surprises here, chances are his supporters don't even know how silly they are being made out, as that's their appropriate level

So now he loves blacks, loves immigrants, isn't a racist. Does he or anyone in his entourage think this will be believed for a second? People are not that stupid.

It's probably related to donations. If you present several different positions then you can use each for targeted advertisements.

Trump's harder positions will be used when sending out emails to the far right, giving links to a speech that has hardline overtones. Then the emails to the college educated voters will include some backtracking statements with a hint of amnesty. Just repeat for each group.

There's not much historical precedent for the deportation of 11 million people outside of Nazi Germany and Stalin's Russia - and, presumably, deportation would not be done by cattle car (right? RIGHT?), thus raising the cost - some economists have put it at some $400 billion; in addition, the economy would take a $1 trillion hit over a decade, continuing in the future.

Anyone paying attention would notice that deportations of undocumented immigrants convicted of crimes in the US under the Obama administration have reached record levels, almost double those of the Bush administration. As such, it appears Trump is wavering between the status quo and the cattle car.

I do so look forward to the debates. Certain items so require clarification.

theeastisredAUG. 23, 2016 - 11:15AM JST So now he loves blacks, loves immigrants, isn't a racist. Does he or anyone in his entourage think this will be believed for a second? People are not that stupid.

With all due respect, clearly his supporters are. Or insane. Maybe both. It's going to be painful to watch the usual crowd now flip-flop with their looney tunes leader.

One only has to charter our very own JT Independent Republicans "pivot" to Trump once it became clear his hostile take-over of the Asylum was really happening to see how perfectly willing the partisans are to freely exist in their own Bubble.

This isn't a pivot - Trump's going to literally swivel on every point and "policy" blunder from now until his November rendez-vous at the clifftop.

The Meltdown continues...

Clinton, meanwhile, is spending the next three days fundraising across California. She’ll stop by the home of actors Justin Timberlake and Jessica Biel in Los Angeles

Good grief - and this is the worlds greatest democracy? Hillary or Donald?

So he has flip flopped to a much more reasonable position that all the complainers have been saying that he should do. But now you gonna complain he "flip flopped"? what does that even mean anyway, so juvenile its called "changing your mind now that you have more information and have put thought into it". Also why do we care as long as it is now the right thing to do?

I guess the Hillary people just more worried that he will win now that he has "flip flopped" to more reasonable ideas. Very few if any Trump supporters actually want 11 million people deported by deportation teams, you know?

The media is in hysterical trump-bashing mode, but do we ever hear anything about Clinton? Her e-mail scandal, her per-for-play server, her assistant Huma`s editorship at Muslim Brotherhood propaganda magazine, her funding from Soros and Saudi Arabia, her disgusting lies to the Bengazi victim families, her disastrous ME policy, her lack of press conferences? She seems to have dropped off the face of the earth, while the "unbiased" press unleashes its torrent of trump bashing.

So he has flip flopped to a much more reasonable position that all the complainers have been saying that he should do.

Uh ... blacklabel ... do you have any idea what that position might be? He's signaled now that he's somewhere between the status quo under the Obama administration and the rounding up and deportation of 11 million people - kinda a big difference. The American people deserve a bit of a definite policy announcement here. Do you suppose such an announcement will ever come - and, if it does, that he will stick to it for longer than a few days?

Adjusting ones policies to better align with newly-discovered information is admirable, but this is ridiculous: there is no newly-discovered info, and he hasn't even flip-flopped - he's just hedging (or confused).

"We'll get rid of the crime," Trump promised. "You'll be able to walk down the street without getting shot."

"Right now you walk down the street, you get shot," he emphasized. "Look at the statistics. We'll straighten it out."

-- The worst major party candidate of all time, Donald Trump. A man without any values, save having been born rich enough not to fail.

(Trump supporters are welcome to post [legitimate & provable] quotes by Hillary they think demonstrate her lack of moral or intellectual fitness. I hope we don't get that stupid quote about Qaddafi twenty more times. though.)

It's a lame attempt at widening his base Blacklabel from his angry white minority. And it's going to fail epically. Much like his outrageous candidacy...

Umm... Typically, politicians don't flip-flop so frequently over the course of a single campaign, or, as is the case with Trump, in the course of a single week (or days, even).

Perhaps, but remember, Trump is an outsider like Sanders and he should get a little slack on that, not because he's Trump, but because he is an outsider, even if it is seemingly a lot.

Trump has been fairly consistent in his message, "Immigrants must go!" since the start of his campaign and his message has not wavered a bit.

Trump never advocated for immigrants to go, now he did say that ILLEGALS should go, which he stands justified in saying.

Until this week. Roughly around the same time he decided he should start caring about black Americans.

So when did Democrats start caring about Blacks? Was that before the white sheets or after they traded them in for a suit and tie and decided to flood their communities with festive and joyous entitlements?

Forty miles away from the nearest predominantly black community. Not only is he a pandering, opportunistic liar, but it would appear he's also a coward.

Where was Obama or Hillary for that matter and when you talk about lies, remember one thing, Hillary practically invented that very definition.

Yeah his current position seems to be "I dont know yet". Somewhere between deporting all 11 million illegals and making some concessions for some of the illegals to stay. The answer just cant be that ALL illegals stay, so he is working on who has to go. Convicted of crime, etc gone and the rest might stay, its TBD.

But he is only talking about people ILLEGALLY in the country anyway and all he is saying is go back where you are legally supposed to be. If I am in Japan illegally, do I get to stay just cause I have an illegal job or a gf or a wife or kids? No, I get sent back to where I came from. Then my family has to go with me, too bad if my kid has friends or is in school or whatever. Daddy is illegally here so family gotta leave with Daddy, or can stay without Daddy if they are legally here.

I dont know what is up with the entitlement people who are ILLEGALLY somewhere seem to have and the people who support them. They arent being put in prison, they can bring all of their family and their stuff with them back to where they are legally allowed to be. I dont see whats wrong with that.

Trump's pivoting may actually have the opposite effect - the newly emboldened Alt-Rights want the rounding up and the wall building to commence on day one. They may well get peeved the message is changing (this week anyway)

Obviously the true Bubble dwellers will continue blowing the trumpet no matter how many position changes he makes. Heh, and he's already had more positions than one of Prince's one night stands....

(Trump supporters are welcome to post [legitimate & provable

How about gloating in an interview about how she got her client "time served" out of jail in 3 months I think, for raping a 12 year old girl?

exactly what WilliB said above though. Where is all the discussion about Hillary? Another Trump slam piece even when it seems like he is coming back to a more reasonable and humane decision. Oh and I searched about Hillary's immigration plans and I found this:

The cornerstone to Clinton's immigration platform is the idea of giving undocumented immigrants a chance to live in the country legally—a sort of counterpoint to the mass deportations called for by Republicans. She hasn't specified exactly how her plan would work, or who would qualify, glossing over the more contentious details of a reform package.But any proposal would probably need to be passed by Congress—which means its prospects are already dim.

"One reason for her not to be too specific is to leave room for some political debate," said Bill Galston, a senior fellow in governance studies at the Brookings Institution who worked as a policy advisor to former President Bill Clinton. She's trying to convey a pretty detailed sense of what she'd do but it leaves questions. There's a difference between how specific you get when drafting legislation and campaigning.

So how is this ok for Hillary but Trump has to provide all the details?

The media is in hysterical trump-bashing mode, but do we ever hear anything about Clinton?

You mean other than non-stop for the past two years (and more for anyone who has been paying attention?)

C'mon, blacklable - you know it's Congress that drafts the actual legislation, and the Democrats have been very clear on this issue for years: Those who have demonstrated a long period of US residency without having committed any crimes will be given access to a procedure to legalize their residency - not citizenship (that would be subject to future consideration). At the same time, beefed-up border control can be instituted (in fact, it already has - look at the budget numbers).

My point is, Trump has sounded recently remarkably similar to what the Dems have proposed - and Obama has implemented since elected.There is a reason for this: it is the only practical solution. But Trump's core supporters would have a cow if he abandoned this plank, so instead, he seems to be saying, "Okay, I'll do the same thing Obama is, only more loudly and obnoxiously!"

So much for speaking softly but carrying a big stick.

My point is, Trump has sounded recently remarkably similar to what the Dems have proposed - and Obama has implemented since elected.There is a reason for this: it is the only practical solution. But Trump's core supporters would have a cow if he abandoned this plank, so instead, he seems to be saying, "Okay, I'll do the same thing Obama is, only more loudly and obnoxiously!"

So much for speaking softly but carrying a big stick.

You say what you can to win the election and once in, then you negotiate. If you think Hillary wouldn't do the same, boy, do I have a bridge to sell you. Hillary made that hilarious speech during the convention saying that she wants to work for everyone (that's a shocking first) including Republicans that are disenfranchised with Trump. Now you have to be born dumb to believe that, in fact, I would go out on a limb that Hillary is the ultimate Trojan horse if she gets into the WH. Yikes!!

@Laguna Right, it is legislation by Congress anyway so Trump's personal plan matters little. But when the Obama/ Hillary "let everyone who is already here stay" plan was determined to be illegal by the Supreme Court, she just ignored that and said it will be legal once she appoints the next Supreme Court justice.

Also they wont be securing the border at all:

Confirming conservative fears about the Democratic Party's commitment to protecting the border, Clinton said in a March primary debate that her focus as president would be on immigration policy reform, rather border security, because of the gains the government has already made on that front.

"We have the most secure border we have ever had," Clinton declared. "Apprehensions across the border are the lowest they've been for 40 years. Which just strengthens my argument that now it is time to do comprehensive immigration reform."

Its all ok though, the voters will decide what they want in the end, so what we all think here only matters for our own vote.

If I am in Japan illegally, do I get to stay just cause I have an illegal job or a gf or a wife or kids? No, I get sent back to where I came from. Then my family has to go with me, too bad if my kid has friends or is in school or whatever. Daddy is illegally here so family gotta leave with Daddy

Only half true - if the kid is not illegal, they are allowed to stay. Dad still has to leave though.

FizzBit, you are correct. A 12 year old BLACK girl.

Confirming conservative fears about the Democratic Party's commitment to protecting the border, Clinton said in a March primary debate that her focus as president would be on immigration policy reform, rather border security, because of the gains the government has already made on that front.

I'm sorry, had some thick wax in my ears. Come again? When did the Democrat party EVER do anything for the border states regarding illegal immigration, I'm from a border state and I have been numerous times at the border and I never say the Democratic legislation breaking their backs to secure anything.

"We have the most secure border we have ever had," Clinton declared. "Apprehensions across the border are the lowest they've been for 40 years. Which just strengthens my argument that now it is time to do comprehensive immigration reform."

I think Hillary finally went senile, there's just no other way to put it.

Its all ok though, the voters will decide what they want in the end, so what we all think here only matters for our own vote.

I agree, I just don't want to hear liberals complain about illegals taking over when they are the ones that vote for the same idiotic policies that would continue the flow of illegal entry.

@Strangerland Yes, if the kid is legal they CAN stay. But then everyone gets all teary eyed and upset when the family is separated when Daddy is NOT legal and gets scheduled to be deported. "how can you break up a FAMILY?" they wail. So I was simply saying the kid can go with Daddy and the family is kept together. The consequences of breaking the law also apply to people with families and people who have been illegal for even 30+ years, sorry.

if the kid is legal they CAN stay. But then everyone gets all teary eyed and upset when the family is separated when Daddy is NOT legal and gets scheduled to be deported. "how can you break up a FAMILY?" they wail. So I was simply saying the kid can go with Daddy and the family is kept together.

Pretty messed up to force a kid to choose between the only country they've ever known, and their family, if the father has not committed any other crime than not having a proper visa.

Here's a great article outlining Trumps flip-flopping on various issues in detail, backed up with links and quotes: http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/full-list-donald-trump-s-rapidly-changing-policy-positions-n547801

but STRANGERLAND is completely incorrect is the view that Hillary was just in getting a guilty child rapist off the hook! The rapist was facing 30 years to life in prison but Hillary managed to get him only 1 year.

Sigh. Since you obviously didn't bother reading the facts:

Finally, Hillary didn't "free" the defendant in the case. Instead, the prosecuting attorney agreed to a plea deal involving a lesser charge that carried a five-year sentence, of which the judge suspended four years and allowed two months credit of time already served towards the remaining year:

And:

Additionally, according to Newsday it was the complainant and her mother who pushed the state to make a quick plea deal rather than have the former go through the ordeal of a court trial, with the mother actively interfering in the investigation to bring about that result:

And then here you go again, showing you didn't read the facts:

In a sworn affidavit aiming to coerce a psychiatric evaluation of the sixth-grade victim, Clinton during the case nearly 40 years ago called into question the girl's emotional stability, arguing she had exhibited "a tendency to seek out older men and engage in... fantasizing." She added, citing a child psychology expert that "children in early adolescence tend to exaggerate or romanticize sexual experiences and that adolescents with disorganized families, such as the complainant, are even more prone to such behavior."

Documents from the 1975 case include an affidavit (p. 34) sworn by Clinton, from which the "in court, Hillary told the judge that I made up the rape story" portion of the claims was derived. That affidavit doesn't show, as claimed, that Hillary Clinton asserted the defendant "made up the rape story because [she] enjoyed fantasizing about men"; rather, it shows that other people, including an expert in child psychology, had said that the complainant was "emotionally unstable with a tendency to seek out older men and to engage in fantasizing about persons, claiming they had attacked her body," and that "children in early adolescence tend to exaggerate or romanticize sexual experiences." Clinton therefore asked the court to have the complainant undergo a psychiatric exam (at the defense's expense) to determine the validity of that information:

And then here we go with another falsehood:

MrBum,strangerland, In fact I got the information on this from CNN a few moths ago. The link strangerland provided is a spin

The link I provided backs up everything with documents and supporting evidence.

even so, it cant hide the fact that hillary laughed abt the rapist beating the lie detector.

Which of course, had you read the link, was disproven, and is not a fact at all:

The audio on these tapes is difficult to understand, but Clinton can be heard describing the case as "terrible." She did audibly laugh or chuckle at points, not about "knowing that the defendant was guilty" (which makes little sense, given that the defendant pled guilty) but rather while musing about how elements of the case that might ordinarily have supported the prosecution worked in the defendant's favor (i.e., observing that the defendant's passing a polygraph test had "forever destroyed her faith" in that technology):

"He took a lie detector test! I had him take a polygraph, which he passed, which forever destroyed my faith in polygraphs [laughter]

Here's a link to the audio file so you can verify it yourself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2f13f2awK4

So now that every single point you guys have brought up on this has been shown to be factually incorrect, are you going to keep spouting this nonsense?

Yes it is pretty sad that kids have to choose between their family and the only country they know. But kids are resilient, and with the help of their family can acclimated to the country their parents supposed to be in. Once again its not like their parents are put in jail and they are sent to an orphanage.

We cant just ignore the law because a "family" is impacted. If "the people" decide that no one needs a valid visa to live in their country, then vote and change the law. Until that happens (or until Clinton gets elected and goes against the will of the people to change the law through Supreme Court appointments), the law needs to be followed.

Bah, the average moron in 2016 has no time for facts. Blotting out the truth is the bedrock of Trump's ludicrous campaign...

Somewhere between deporting all 11 million illegals and making some concessions for some of the illegals to stay. The answer just cant be that ALL illegals stay, so he is working on who has to go. Convicted of crime, etc gone and the rest might stay, its TBD.

Deporting everyone was never an option that he has talked about seriously. If current immigration law is applied to the maximum possible extent, law abiding citizens not outright deported will self deport, the vast majority. E-Verify used to such an extent that any business hiring illegals are fined severely, at the same time increasing border security etc.

The only smart people in this issue of immigr... sorry, ILLEGAL immigration are the illegal immigrants. They know the past. There is a cycle of amnesty which I have seen maybe three times, including the one coming up after Hillary's inauguration, in my life. Bury yourself deep enough - buy the phony documents you need to survive - and don't attend any "immigrant rights" demonstrations.

He has no actual policies its just all verbal diarrhea coming from him once again...and his supporters eat it up like its their last roast dinner..mind boggling stuff it really is...

So, not so different from Hillary's plan, then that means, we are all screwed.

"Trump has cancelled his Colorado, Nevada and now Oregon events."

I guess this means Trump is washed up, or maybe fighting an undisclosed illness?

That's what any announcement by HRC has been interpreted by the Trump people here.

How utterly and openly dishonest they are, with others, each other, and especially themselves.

Is he still doing the Muslim ban thing where we figure this out or something?

He looked amazing in Ohio last night. Hillary is the one that could barely walk a block in the NYC Gay Pride parade two months ago. According to the New York Times, Low energy Hillary only lasted about 15 minutes and “four blocks or so” before being “hustled into a waiting vehicle.”

I hope he can implement a plan like that and stop radical Islamists from doing more unnecessary damage.

People all politicians will tell the people what they want to hear. It's nothing but political brainwashing. They are nothing but blood suckers that suck the life out of the people while they get richer. Better word fat leeches!

Almost : How utterly and openly dishonest they are, with others, each other, and especially themselves.

I'm not sure insane people know the difference between right and wrong in their defence.

Plus Mrs Clinton has been the victim of the largest and longest smear campaign ever seen in history.

Yet she's still going to win in a landslide. The Republican party is effectively dead, in the final stages of Advanced Intellect Deficiency Syndrome. The only shame is they want to take everyone down with them.

Plus Mrs Clinton has been the victim of the largest and longest smear campaign ever seen in history.

And rightfully and justifiably so.

Yet she's still going to win in a landslide. The Republican party is effectively dead, in the final stages of Advanced Intellect Deficiency Syndrome. The only shame is they want to take everyone down with them.

Well, she might and maybe she might not. Either way, if she hypothetically does win, it would be a one term. She's getting up in age, not in the best of health and her wanting to carry on a third Obama term, that would be the icing on the cake and put a Republican without a doubt in the office, because we would continue the downward spiral of degradation and a sluggish economy and what seems to be a widening and further decline of the middle class and racial hate and division.

Actually if you REALLY think about the deportation force, in a couple of years, if Trump is elected, and they had gotten rid of most of the illegals, I think the next group,they would start on is "undesirables"--anyone critical of Trump or a democrat. Thismway they get to plunder a lot of wealth. In the end, this is what this is ALL about, plundering whatever wealth there is from "illegals" and the "undesirables." Straight out of the nazi playbook!

Bill Murphy, good post. not pc, which is why you got downvotes.

Hey, I lost count. Are we still going to "build that wall?" and make Mexico pay for it? I'm not sure if that's still on the table.

Anyone know? Anyone?

I sure hope so, not sure about the part where Mexico will pay for it, but curbing illegal immigration, that probably will happen. I mean, Obama pushed for Obamacare, that went through...

My god, how can his supporters stomach this crap?

Because they lost and want to burn down the house.

So where does Trump really stand now?

This is one of the main pillars of his campaign.

On the one hand, some people are glad that he's softening his stance.

On the other hand, those people who supported his hard-line stance would feel betrayed.

It is time to let the cat out of the bag and end the hypocrisy. The only people who want to "end the illegal immigration" problem are a bunch of poor farmers and people living in trailers. And racists. Getting their support is not going to give Trump Texas or Arizona or California. The people who actually vote in real elections in those states are the people with a dirty little secret. They cannot pick up after themselves and they can't take care of their garden, so they have an illegal maid stashed somewhere, and they go hire people from in front of Home Depot to do their yard work. That is a lifestyle that many many middle class and up families have come to count on. It has driven the good life in Orange County California for several decades.

Oh sure. There is a "growing problem" because we are several generations along in this personal lifestyle laziness, so those illegal aliens have bought real estate, established companies, and their kids have become valedictorians. That is going to create friction. But after all is said and done and white suburban people have done their dog-whistle duty for racism and the good old USA, they are perfectly willing to just forget about it until next election cycle. Let someone else worry about the garden in four years. I will be retired by then! Right? We also find that the established aliens like to hire the illegal aliens too. Everybody does it. Everybody is better off. What is the big deal?

Trump has cracked the code. He is dumping on the energetic people who supported him for the nomination, and now he is accepting the fact that he likes the idea, just like most people, of paying someone less than minimum wage to do his dirty work. This is the GOP, people. They have been doing this to the Tea Party and its people for at least 8 years. The GOP loves their energy, but they can't inspire the votes, so their platform planks are the first to be cast off.

Of course Trump will soften up on immigration. What does he have to lose except for the loyalty of a bunch of slack-jawed mouth breathers who were dumb enough to believe what he said because "He tells it like it is!"? They aren't going to vote for Hillary anyway, so who needs them? He would rather replace them with middle class suburbanites who can vote but who can't pick up after themselves.

Trump vows 'fair, but firm' approach to illegal immigration

Sounds to me like he wants to apply the law. Doesn't he know that the law is for losers! These days it is better to ignore the law and troll for votes. Come on Trump - you are an elitist - the rules are for the common folk.