Trump vows no regrets; Clinton ups pressure over Khan attack

Que Fat Lady.

Meanwhile, people are wondering about the aftermath. Another autopsy? Wither the Republican party?

Max Boot -ex-Republican "moderate:"

Perhaps Trump will fade away after the election and the Republican Party will return to its Reaganite roots. But...survey findings suggest a strong possibility that instead the GOP, or at least a substantial portion of it, could continue veering toward the fringe, muttering darkly about how Trump was robbed of his rightful victory. If that is the case, then the Republican Party may not survive the Trump takeover.

Here's liberal Kevin Drum take:

I want to make this easy. There's basically only one thing that matters for the GOP: whether they double down on being the white men's party, or whether they take the painful but necessary steps necessary to broaden their appeal. That's it. Everything else pales in comparison.

I think the sleeping right supremacist right has awoken and will not go gently into the night. Either they will win, and Big Money will leave, or Big Money will win and they racists will bolt.

Either way, it is the end of the party of Reagan.

Trump, meanwhile, settled on a new target: Michelle Obama,

Good lord, what is there to attack? I mean, sure, there has been a racist element of the far-right that hates her just because she's black, but for most of us she's been the best example of a first lady in years- an extremely rare mix of class, dignity, and a willingness to engage in meaningful activism.

The notion of turning the other cheek is completely alien to Trump. From his extremely short fuse, I suspect he suffers from what the medics call IED (intermittent explosive disorder).

Katas

To be fair, she opened the door by entering the fray.

Thank you Donnie for doing some more good work. First for handing the presidency to Clinton and now this....

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/senate-update-the-last-week-has-been-very-kind-to-democrats-hopes-for-a-majority/

But dont stop there Donnie, with your talents we might even get the house back..

she's been the best example of a first lady in years- an extremely rare mix of class, dignity, and a willingness to engage in meaningful activism.

That depends on the person you are asking.

Hopefully groups of Trump supporters won't start showing up at inner city polling places to "monitor" with no training or consent. That freightens me a bit since it just takes one stupid person doing one stupid thing and then hostility starts and spirals out of control.

Any hostilities will probably get recorded (after it starts) on some mobile phone where you can't see everything and then beamed all over the world with politicians stepping up in front of a drooling media giving the account that benefits them the most. Add to that the people who have whatever agenda, YouTube, and racists, and the entire country will be defined by it.

Agree with what Hillary says at the end, both sides have to work together after the election.

What this campaign has shown is that DT was def not President material and will never be ( knows that himself) but would bring a new approach and energy in any advisory committee/role. You need a couple of street smart, ultra pragmatic ppl sometimes as long as they don't make the final call.

Couple of nice handshakes between the 2 last night.

Superlib

You worry too much.

I accept the high probability that such will occur. The right wingers will freak out. The rest of America will sigh.

It's not over! Do not get comfortable! Vote vote vote!

Hopefully groups of Trump supporters won't start showing up at inner city polling places to "monitor" with no training or consent. That freightens me a bit since it just takes one stupid person doing one stupid thing and then hostility starts and spirals out of control.

No, the Democrats already had that part covered, that's where you need to keep your attention at.

Any hostilities will probably get recorded (after it starts) on some mobile phone where you can't see everything and then beamed all over the world with politicians stepping up in front of a drooling media giving the account that benefits them the most. Add to that the people who have whatever agenda, YouTube, and racists, and the entire country will be defined by it.

Yeah, keep thinking that. Had to say this, but conservatives aren't that savvy when it comes to those kinds of political shenanigans.

Interesting story on Sky News about the use of the Internet and targeted ads to influence people.

http://news.sky.com/story/behind-the-scenes-at-donald-trumps-uk-digital-war-room-10626155

She still reminds me of the Heat Miser.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbfgVEk-mxQ

“Mr. Trump, would my son have a place in your America?” the father asks, tearing up as the ad fades to black.

Pathetic. Unfortunately Mr Khan, your son is dead. Why aren't you angry at the warmongers? Most normal people are.

Pathetic. Unfortunately Mr Khan, your son is dead. Why aren't you angry at the warmongers? Most normal people are

It's amazing, Mr. Khan supports the woman who voted for the war in which his son was killed, but is angry at Trump who has a history of opposing almost every war and is calling him mentally sick.

Wow!

Win or lose Hillary's problems are just beginning. She has a lot to answer for on the left and the right regarding the wiki leaked mail. Stay tuned.

Win or lose Hillary's problems are just beginning. Win or lose Trumps problems are just beginning. hes still got to answer to the Trump university scandal and the IRS.

And she has to answer a lot of the Wikileaks lies about her foundation/Slush funds accounts and address a lot of her flip flops on virtually all of her issues.

Win or lose Hillary's problems are just beginning. Win or lose Trumps problems are just beginning.

True, but at least one of them will be able to invoke "executive privilege" for the next four years.

Wow... when Trump shoots himself in the foot he uses nothing short of a nuclear missile. Attacking Michelle Obama?? The very same woman his own wife loves so much she needs to copy her speech verbatim?

The guy may as well start spitting on Reagan for all the love such attacks are going to bring him within the party. What a complete and utter moron.

yakyak: Win or lose Hillary's problems are just beginning. She has a lot to answer for on the left and the right regarding the wiki leaked mail. Stay tuned.

2/3 supermajority required in the Senate for impeachment. Queen Hillary won't have to answer for anything.

smithinjapan: Wow... when Trump shoots himself in the foot he uses nothing short of a nuclear missile. Attacking Michelle Obama?? The very same woman his own wife loves so much she needs to copy her speech verbatim?

Michelle Obama? After Democratic dirty tricks operator and felon and Obama 2008 election consultant Bob Creamer visited the White House 342 times, including at least 47 visits with Barack and/or Michelle, according to the White House's own records? Are you not keeping up on the news?

"she's been the best example of a first lady in years- an extremely rare mix of class, dignity, and a willingness to engage in meaningful activism."

"That depends on the person you are asking."

Who dislikes Michelle Obama? People who think she may be a Muslim?

turbostat: " After Democratic dirty tricks operator and felon and Obama 2008 election consultant Bob Creamer visited the White House 342 times, including at least 47 visits with Barack and/or Michelle, according to the White House's own records? Are you not keeping up on the news?"

Deflect deflect deflect deflect deflect... Michelle is not running for president, bud. Nor is her husband. Nor is Bill Clinton. Instead of focussing on imagined scenarios and making up names which take a little bit of the fact that your chosen candidate is an inept moron who is destroying his own campaign, try seeing all those trees in front of you as a forest for once, and perhaps -- since too late this time -- ACTUALLY learn from your mistakes to give yourselves a legitimate run next time... if the party survives. How many steps backward will it take the clowns in the GOP for "we need to change to appeal to more people" to actually have any meaning? Here's a bit of advice: calling blacks, immigrants, Muslims, women, veterans, homosexuals, and others "rapists", "disgusting pigs", "terrorists," "weak", "heathens", and what not is really counter productive in trying to APPEAL to them.

trump is a loser - now and later

Trump, meanwhile, settled on a new target: Michelle Obama

Wow, just....wow. What a colossal dummy

Just finished watching the debate. Hillary lost big time!

Same old promises. She's a joke. Couldn't even answer the question about the Clinton Foundation then slips into her crazy talk about Putin.

Seems she was using a teleprompter too. And I thought she was just sleepy.

Love the narration on this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os5fe-ADtZA

@smithinjapan

It was you who brought up Michelle ... and when I responded, you started deflecting ...

Foval bragged that he and Creamer were performing the dirty tricks for the DNC and for Hillary's campaign ...

isn't Hillary running for president?

https://d1sb17b1leotpq.cloudfront.net/rigging-election-video-i-clinton-campaign-and-dnc-incite-violence-trump-rallies.html

Rigging the Election - Video I: Clinton Campaign and DNC Incite Violence at Trump Rallies -

Dirty Tricks Operative Unwittingly Provides Dark Money Trail to the DNC and Clinton Campaign ...

... Scott Foval is the National Field Director for a non-profit organization named Americans United for Change. In the video, he told an undercover investigator that they contract “directly with the DNC and the [Clinton] campaign both.” ...

... “I am contracted to him [Bob Creamer],” says Foval to an undercover reporter. “But I answer to the head of Special Events for the DNC and the head of special events and political for the campaign.” ...

bass4funkOCT. 22, 2016 - 10:44AM JST

And she has to answer a lot of the Wikileaks lies about her foundation/Slush funds accounts and address a lot of her flip flops on virtually all of her issues.

She doesn't have to say anything about Wikileaks lies, does she? Oh wait, was that actually what you meant to say? And weren't you just saying how bad it is that Democrats don't change their minds, and also how it was basically okay for you to call Trump a lunatic and then change your mind? So I'm not sure what grounds you have for criticising anyone else for flip-flops.

turbostat: "It was you who brought up Michelle"

No, it was the article that brought it up, in response to Trump attacking her. I talked about how stupid an idea that is -- as are all ideas from Trump and supporters, and clearly many posts by supporters, too.

... and when I responded, you started deflecting ...

You didn't respond at all. I talked about how stupid it is to attack her, pointing out that even Trump's wife looks up to her as evidenced by 'her' speech, and took my comment and went off on a tangent about completely unrelated events, adding terms like 'dirty tricks operator (sic)' and 'felon' before names. Calling out the obvious deflection of your comments is not 'deflection' itself, especially when your 'questions' are not really even questions at all.

And I do so love how your 'proof' is a private blog or right-wing YouTube videos made by sweaty, sad basement dwellers! hahaha. Classic. More proof you guys are suffering the same catastrophic meltdown that Trump is -- except it's even more pathetic because you guys are just followers; he's at least digging his own grave, you guys are just begging to follow him into it.

bass4funkOCT. 22, 2016 - 08:06AM JST That depends on the person you are asking.

Why did you think this was a meaningful response?

While certainly, my tertiary comment that Michelle Obama has been the best example of a first lady in years is a matter of subjective opinion, the main point of my comment was to question what there is to attack her over. The fact that some people have different opinions of her than me doesn't magically mean that she's done anything worthy of criticism, particularly this late in the campaign. If she has, then if you actually want to engage in a conversation, you should probably say what that thing she's done is.

The only thing Trump regrets is not having stiffed more subcontractors and groped more women...

We need more people like the Khans and their son.

The GOP leaders may ask Trump to take a psychological test. The harm that Trump has caused to the GOP seems unmeasurable. Something should be done to preserve the GOP credibility.

With any luck the political structure of the GOP will be permanently crippled and despotic misogynist racists will have no more political weight

ChinhDaoOCT. 22, 2016 - 05:59PM JST Something should be done to preserve the GOP credibility.

Group seppuku is the only thing that could restore their honor at this point.

it is Clinton who was filmed clapping her hands and laughing at the news of Muammar Gaddafi’s murder in 2011. It is Clinton who pressed for the military intervention that ended in Libya’s destruction. And it is Hillary Clinton who has the gall to present herself as a moral giant in comparison to her rival for the US presidency.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/10/21/hillary-clinton-and-the-brutal-murder-of-qaddafi/

Oh you lefties. Still haranguing on about the GOP. Cracks me up that you still do that, also shows how clueless you are. The people, well half at least, have spoken, NOT the GOP.

We are in odd times. I've never seen so many lefties supporting a known warmonger before. Hillairy, with her phony laughs and smiles, her public and private policies, her weapons sales, her total corruption; what the heck are you lefties thinking?

Hillairy, with her phony laughs and smiles, her public and private policies, her weapons sales, her total corruption; what the heck are you lefties thinking?

We're thinking that for all her faults, she's still infinitely better than Trump, and that he'd be the worst thing to ever happen.

Do you really want a guy who gets into Twitter wars at 3am with is finger on the nuclear trigger?

Do you really want a guy who gets into Twitter wars at 3am with is finger on the nuclear trigger?

What? You're saying that Trump will think he's tweeting at 3Am and instead open up the football and nuke someone?

All you rascals left nothing under the abroad not responding to Jolie divorce papers! "No matter what happens we need to work together" Ah, no, what she meant was, if I win. I do not believe Clinton will work with Trump if he's elected.

The Orange Chump should be very careful about attacking Mrs. Obama for the reasons aptly described by katsu78, He is grasping for straws at this point,, Bye, bye Donald. GO HILLARY ! 1/20/17

I'm making a bet that Clinton will resign or die due to whatever illness it is she's concealing before she finishes her first term.

I don't wish harm on her but she is obviously sick and is lying (As is her constant habit) about it.

One day she's going to faint (It would be the 5th or 6th time that the public knows about) and she's going to hit her head and die from the injury. Or is she going to have a 24hour staff of secret service to hold her while she walks around inside the White House?

America, you really blew it with this election. These two candidates are the worst candidates to ever participate in the presidential election at a serious level.

James Burke You are really sick to wish somebody die

"I don't wish harm on her"

What part of that did you not understand? Please seek help with a comprehension expert.

What? You're saying that Trump will think he's tweeting at 3Am and instead open up the football and nuke someone?

No, that's not what I'm saying.

@James Burke

Clinton won't be the most outstanding President that the U.S. has had but the chance of her health failing forcing her to resign during her first term is quite remote. I will certainly take your bet, especially after seeing her run circles around Trump, at least health wise, during the debates. In fact, after watching Trump start strong and then end looking he just finished a marathon, I'd be much more worried his health. That being said, I think he would probably make it at least one term as well, that is unless he got the world into a war, or pissed off his Russian buddies, and ended himself that way!

So what's the bet? Best to put up or shut up, as try say...

that is unless he got the world into a war

As I said...clueless. The world is already at war Mr. Seapig. With Hilliary selling weapons to evil countries, it's idiotic to think your Queen will change anything.

"As I said...clueless. The world is already at war Mr. Seapig. With Hilliary selling weapons to evil countries, it's idiotic to think your Queen will change anything."

Do you think Trump, the businessman who wants to expand the military, will put an end to selling arms to deplorable countries?

Do you think Trump, the businessman who wants to expand the military, will put an end to selling arms to deplorable countries?

Do you think?

FizzBit: "Do you think?"

THAT is your answer?? hahaha. Lame.

@Jimizo:

You'll note that those posters who can't (or won't) answer simple questions are doing so to remain coy so as to not reveal their cluelessness.

I define "clueless" as someone who calls an opposing candidate a warmonger while supporting a candidate to whom the term applies even better.

"Do you think Trump, the businessman who wants to expand the military, will put an end to selling arms to deplorable countries?"

"Do you think?"

I'll take that as a no. Just type 'no'. It's shorter.

I define "clueless" as someone who calls an opposing candidate a warmonger while supporting a candidate to whom the term applies even better.

What a bunch of bullshit. Time to check yourself into a psych hospital. You lie better than Hillairy.

Moderator: You can have 24 hours off from posting to learn some manners.

"Khan attack"

Yeah, that attack on Trump by Khan at the DNC convention was so ridiculous being as how his son died in the war that Hillary voted for.

"Trump, meanwhile, settled on a new target: Michelle Obama...

Good lord, what is there to attack? I mean, sure, there has been a racist element of the far-right that hates her just because she's black, but for most of us she's been the best example of a first lady in years- an extremely rare mix of class, dignity, and a willingness to engage in meaningful activism."

Yeah? Take a look at this:

"Michelle Obama's Speech Was As Empty & Vile As Her Husband's Policies"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTTl-CNGUxo

"It's not over! Do not get comfortable! Vote vote vote!"

No worries, Trump's voters will be out there Big League.

"GO HILLARY ! 1/20/17 - "Madame President. "

Sorry, you'll have to wait forl Ivanka after one or two terms of Donald.

Dream on, Super.

Oh my...

"Hillary vs Hillary In Contradiction Fest Of Lies, Waffles & Flip Flops"

( from Jimmy Dore, and he doesn't like Trump either, but at least he recogniizes how bad your candidate is, Super )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMG12lXqkrs

A mirror of American society -- no manners, no grace, no class, no scruples, hateful, bigoted, arrogant, nasty, vicious, scheming, ignorant, lying. "...laugh about it, shout about it, when you've got to choose, any way you look at it, you lose."

Well Serrano, there's always this:

"Trump supporter thinks Constitution from China."

http://youtu.be/_4LDlBCkA2g

It's not over! Do not get comfortable! Vote vote vote!

Most importantly, don't forget to "vote early and vote often".

FizzBit:

With Hilliary selling weapons to evil countries, it's idiotic to think your Queen will change anything.

Sorry, not my queen. As I've said before I'm not American and, obviously, won't be voting. I simply responded to James Burke that there was little chance that either Clinton or Trump would have to resign during the first term due to health.

Clinton, during the debates, did appear to have more stamina and be in better health than Trump though.

About the world being at war. True, there are unnecessary wars everywhere and Clinton would most likely maintain that status quo which, when compared to the possibilities with Trump in office, is a good thing. Just look at what he has said: expand the military, let the generals make the decisions, put more military in Iraq, join Russia fighting IS, allow So. Korea/Japan/etc to have nuclear weapons if they want, pull the U.S. military out of countries that don't pay (can you imagine the vacuums there?). That along with the fact that he has absolutely no clue about other policies. The only thing he has actually said is "build the wall" and "cancel the trade agreements". All that will do is plunge the U.S., and the rest of the world, into a huge depression.

Yup, the status quo seems better for 4 years until you guys have a chance to sort out the sad state of affairs in your US of A!

Look it's A teletubby under a umbrella

I define "clueless" as someone who calls an opposing candidate a warmonger while supporting a candidate to whom the term applies even better.

But you would rather have Hillary who wouldn't blink to use our military? Get ready for WWIII.

smithinjapan: ... You didn't respond at all. I talked about how stupid it is to attack her, pointing out that even Trump's wife looks up to her as evidenced by 'her' speech, and took my comment and went off on a tangent about completely unrelated events, adding terms like 'dirty tricks operator (sic)' and 'felon' before names. Calling out the obvious deflection of your comments is not 'deflection' itself, especially when your 'questions' are not really even questions at all. And I do so love how your 'proof' is a private blog or right-wing YouTube videos ...

The videos showed exactly what is happening with the dirty tricks campaigns. The 342 visits by Bob Creamer to the White House, including at least some with face time with Barack and Michelle out of 47 visits with Barack and/or Michelle, Creamer's long involvement in the Obama campaigns, his felony convictions, and what've you got to count it with? "Oh nos right wing videos!" They're videos of Democrats, if you don't like it and can't counter them, you'll just try to distract.

Creamer's record is so awful, you've just got to wonder what they talked about on all those visits. His grandkids? Golf?

Not to mention the Obamas' 20 years of attendance at racist pastor Jeremiah Wright's church. They disavowed him, but not until they were called out on it.

Michelle obviously is more untouchable than Barack or Hillary, but also obviously she's slipped up on at least in these two decades-long collections of incidents. Do we need to slavishly follow media-led fashions? Can't say anything bad about Saint Michelle lest we be accused of blasphemy?

47 visits by this felon!

The 342 visits by Bob Creamer to the White House, including at least some with face time with Barack and Michelle out of 47 visits with Barack and/or Michelle, Creamer's long involvement in the Obama campaigns, his felony convictions, and what've you got to count it with? "Oh nos right wing videos!"

Considering meeting with them shows/proves absolutely nothing, the only proper response is 'right-wing videos'.

You people are so desperate to have something be wrong, that you will literally believe anything points to something wrong.

Not to mention the Obamas' 20 years of attendance at racist pastor Jeremiah Wright's church. They disavowed him, but not until they were called out on it.

Wait, does this mean you people have stopped saying he's a Muslim?

obviously she's slipped up on at least in these two decades-long collections of incidents.

Obviously? I don't think that word means what you think it does.

Strangerland: Considering meeting with them shows/proves absolutely nothing, the only proper response is 'right-wing videos'.

This is the guy orchestrating the dirty tricks operations, and he's got . The words are out of his mouth and out of his associate's mouth. You can't counter this damning evidence, can't counter the Obamas' attendance at Wright's church, so instead "blablabla ... right-wing ... blablabla ... Muslim ...".

These visits were not recorded by rightwingers standing outside faking the numbers, they are from https://open.whitehouse.gov/.

So you tell me, why do the Obamas need to meet so many times with the dirty tricks operator they used for their 2008 campaign? Trading sugar cookie recipes? Reminiscing about Chicago North Side get-togethers?

you tell me

We don't have to tell you anything. You seem obsessed with getting people to comment on your "evidence." Your problem is that no one cares.

This is the guy orchestrating the dirty tricks operations, and he's got . The words are out of his mouth and out of his associate's mouth. You can't counter this damning evidence, can't counter the Obamas' attendance at Wright's church, so instead "blablabla ... right-wing ... blablabla ... Muslim ...".

Yeah, I prefer to base my opinions on actual facts and evidence rather than speculation and supposition. Go figure.

Or in other words, I don't get my news from Youtube.

Trump is megalomaniac with narcissistic personality.

Strangerland: ... Yeah, I prefer to base my opinions on actual facts and evidence rather than speculation and supposition. Go figure. ... Or in other words, I don't get my news from Youtube.

Deflect and disseminated ... Democrats speaking on video are not 'rightwingers' ... the White House's own visit logs are not 'youtube' or 'rightwinger' ...

What Michelle says now, vs. what she said when her husband was running against Hillary in 2008 ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjJWURYr06Y

Michelle in 2016: Trump's attacks on Hillary are 'Cruel'

Michelle in 2008: Bill cheats on Hillary because she is weak

2016: We should be role models and not launch personal attacks

2008: Hillary is an ENABLER