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Trump vows to remove millions living in country illegally

Populism 101.

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How many foreigners does Trump hire in America for his Florida resort?

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People who are illegally somewhere should be removed as they are found. This is correct.

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Wonderful rhetoric. Now if only we had any news about his wife. Prove me wrong donny.. (hint: the keyword here is "prove" aka show us the documentation and whilst you`re at it maybe those pesky tax returns..?)

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Trump is right! America has become this huge pie in the sky for millions wanting to escape the wretched conditions of their own countries. And America has always welcomed these people, even though many of these people hate America and only want to send money back home. At some point people began to take advantage of the system and its loopholes, and they learned to play on the values and moral fibers of the American people. They began to assume the right to immigrate to America. No Americans have no right to think of themselves as a people and country without being taunted as racists, bigots, inhumanitarians, cold-hearted, indifferent, etc. It's as if America has no right to protect its borders and regulate immigration just like any other nation has the right to do so. And why? Because of politics?

No chime in those with the same ole red herring: all Americans are immigrants. America is stolen land. The only Americans are Indians, bs, bs, and bs.

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I read in the book "48 laws of power" that you nees to say confusing things to throw your enemies off--Trump is following the book to the "T". Smokescreens, lies, deceit, etc etec etc. shows what a power hungry thug he is.

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Right. No suprise here. Trump really had no choice. And for two reasons. First it seems to be the only thing Trump really believes politically. He's a white soil nationalist. Second, he really couldn't survive the flip-flop on this issue.

Two things:

There goes the election. Trump ain't gonna win. The numbers just ain't there for him. So sad.

Practically speaking, anyone vaguely familiar with the state of law-enforcement in America today understands the other in practicality of even trying to round up 100,000 people. For anything. The idea that it be possible to round up 8 million people is simply stupid

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Nada new here, except for his retreat on his "deportation squad" (what a wimp!). Basically, he's now reiterated the prevailing GOP policy, which is to punt by saying nothing can be done about those illegally in America until the border is 100% secure. Of course, he has to do so as the logistics of such a deportation make it impossible and, more importantly, business won't stand for it.

The result is that these people must continue living in the shadows - at least, if Trump wins. Which he won't.

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No chime in those with the same ole red herring: all Americans are immigrants.

Well it's true. Whether you want to accept that fact is up to you.

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Mr. Trump is correct when he said America has the right as any nation does to protect its borders. He hit the bullseye in regards that our current immigration system needs to be fixed because it doesn't benefit the American people and our country. He is also correct that our current immigration system serves the interests of the wealthy, illegal alien political activists and powerful politicians.

This is not about discrimination toward any certain race or ethnic group. It's about upholding and enforcing our federal laws. This is also about protecting American citizens from criminals, gangs and terrorists that can easily cross our border. Under the present democrat administration, millions of criminals have entered our country illegally and remain here. We currently have a revolving door policy regarding illegal immigrant criminals entering our country, being deported over and over again and re-entering this country to cause more harm.

Many illegal immigrants come her for a better life, but Mr. Trump is correct that they shouldn't be given preference for citizenship over people who took the legal route to citizenship and have to wait many years to become an American citizen. The non-criminal illegal immigrants should be able to stay and given residency, but not automatic American citizenship.

Also, when illegal immigrants enter this country uncontrolled, we do not know who are the bad ones from the good ones and that doesn't benefit our nation. In addition, we have mexican drug cartels sending drugs across our border destroying American families, not to mention that the drug war is spilling into our border states like here in Texas.

If another democrat is elected president, nothing will change and things will only get worse. The days of ignoring the crises at this country's southern borders needs to come to an end for the sake of the future of this country. . . .

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What a bizarre choice for Trump to make. Pop down to Mexico for a few hours as though that would be enough time for him to make a decision on his big immigration policy. If anything he should have apologized to the Mexican president. Trump is a loose cannon and really needs to be put in his place come November. I'm still betting on a 55% to 45% win for Hillary.

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As Mr. Trump said, if you are illegal you leave. Then you get in line behind the people who are going through the legal immigration path and if you meet all those criteria then you come back. How can anyone not agree with this? This is how it works in every other country in the world. You dont just go somewhere illegally and expect to stay there your whole life so that you can make money to send back to where you come from.

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I love this line - it is so Teumpian both in its cadence and logic:

Number three. Number three, this is the one, I think it's so great. It's hard to believe, people don't even talk about it. Zero tolerance for criminal aliens. Zero. Zero. Zero. They don't come in here. They don't come in here.

How completely true! Criminal aliens are not allowed in America - try getting a visa! And if your undocumented in America and commit an infraction as slight as riding your bicycle on the wrong side of the road - adios! Now, these people know the consequences of illegal action if they're caught - that is likely why the crime rate among illegal immigrants is far lower than the native population. And to think they'll try to vote illegally - ha! - who would risk deportation for that?!

So nada there. Hey, Donald, what's your policy on guns? It's only a matter of logical extension that eventually you would limit them exclusively to white people.

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Trump is a loose cannon and really needs to be put in his place come November.

I am looking forward to the debates staring September 28th. It should be some great TV. Reality TV, drama, comedy, fantasy all in one show.

In other news, Trumph appeals to uneducated white voters who are already voting for him, and his poll numbers drop again.

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Well it's true. Whether you want to accept that fact is up to you.

No one's denying it. But it's a stupid argument by stupid people used only for the purpose of trying to deflect and deny the fact that America, as the country that it is today, has a right to secure its borders and regulate immigration.

We can just as easily apply the same silly logic and say all Chinese and Koreans have a right to immigrate to Japan since that's where the Japanese come from. Or why don't we say all Africans are free to immigrate unregulated to any country of their choosing since all humanity originated out of Africa. Ya see how silly that sounds.

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Under the present democrat administration, millions of criminals have entered our country illegally and remain here.

yes, let's make america white again because all these mexicans entering our great country are criminals, especially rapists, gang members and drug dealers. do you actually believe that stuff that comes out of your mouth?

actually the outflow of illegal mexican immigrants to the US has actually increased under the Obama administration, and no other adminstration in history has deported more illegals than the current one. so you need to actually to study and get the facts before you spew this malarkey.

Mr. Trump is correct that they shouldn't be given preference for citizenship over people who took the legal route to citizenship and have to wait many years to become an American citizen.

illegals aren't given "preference" for citizenship in this country. in fact, they can't be naturalized because they are illegal. a bipartisan senate group proposed amending laws to allow for a type of "amnesty" after ten years of the law passing, but the house never took up the bill and it died. so again, you are spouting false talking points fed to you by the alt-right.

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GO TRUMP ,,,,He said i love the USA

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GO TRUMP ,,,,He said i love the USA

Did he now? That's just... the most wonderful news I've read all day.

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Zero tolerance for criminal aliens. Zero. Zero. Zero. They don't come in here. They don't come in here.

His Dr. Seuss-like cadence is infectious.

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Part of the 48 Laws of power, catchy phrases really "connect" with the idiots, especially if they are not true.

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It is a bit unfair - he, born with wealth and status, is now threatening to take away the one way we plebeians could match his achievement: Meeting an Eastern European model working in America either illegally or on an HB visa and marrying her. How cruel life is!

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It will take a lot of buses and 'planes to remove 11 million people. Just as it will take lots of bricks, blocks and immigrant bricklayers to build that wall.

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I'm still betting on a 55% to 45% win for Hillary.

LOL,ok...

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Fred

Was I too pessimistic? Maybe 58% to 42% in Hillary's favor?

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This is what The Daily Telegraph, a solidly conservative UK newspaper, has to say:

Jacob Monty, a Houston lawyer and key proponent of the Latino case for Trump, resigned from Mr Trump’s National Hispanic Advisory Council following the Republican presidential hopeful’s remarks in Phoenix, Arizona.

Mr Monty said, “I was a strong supporter of Donald Trump when I believed he was going to address the immigration problem realistically and compassionately”.

“What I heard today was not realistic and not compassionate.”

Another important Hispanic supporter of Mr Trump, Alfonso Aguilar, president of the Latino Partnership for Conservative Principles has also said that he is “inclined” to withdraw his support. In the wake of the Phoenix speech he said, “It’s so disappointing because we feel we took a chance, a very risky chance”.

Mr Aguilar did not claim to speak on behalf of any organisation, but admitted he was deeply troubled by Mr Trump’s address and that “there’s a real possibility we will withdraw support from Donald Trump because of that disappointing speech.”

Encouraging stuff for Trump fans, eh?

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Mr. Trump is correct when he said America has the right as any nation does to protect its borders.

All Trump needs to do, at least in public remarks, is to insist that he wants to do for America what Mexico does to protect itself. One simple point: “I will ensure that America’s immigration policy is modeled after Mexico’s.”

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He's pretty much repeating the GOP status quo, which means not much will be changing in terms of immigration. Reform is punted unto the future in favor of "securing the borders" which never gets defined and everyone just sits down.

has a right to secure its borders and regulate immigration.

Yeah, my guess is that your conservative media has you arguing with some imaginary liberal and when you talk, you are always talking to him. What the opposition is actually saying is that your methods of wall building are illogical and wasteful and the money could be much better spent elsewhere. What is it about that specifically that you have a problem with?

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I feel nothing but shame, that a major US political party could nominate such an lowbrow, incoherent demagogue as its presidential candidate. This is insane. I can't bring myself to believe this is actually happening in the 21st century.

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I feel nothing but shame, that a major US political party could nominate such an lowbrow, incoherent demagogue as its presidential candidate.

This represents a slow, steady degeneration of the conservative party away from moderation towards extremism. Richard Nixon would be far too liberal for today's right-wingers. Trump serves up nothing but bloody meat to these junkyard dogs.

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Trump may have to deport his wife who worked illegally on a tourist visa and then lied about it to get her green card. But lets be honest, the republicans do not care about illegal models from Slovenia. The racist republicans care about Latinos only. The fact is that illegals are here because of work. What work do they do, work that Americans do not want to do. People are not forced to pay illegals their salary, they do it cause no one else will pick lettuce or clean homes for $8 an hour. If republicans really wanted to end illegals in the USA then fining companies that hire them would do it. But that does not happen much at all. Why, because this issue is based on racism, not reality.

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If the US deports all those illegals back to Mexico, the instability brought on by 10 million people with no means of earning a livelihood might bring down the government, and return that country to the lawless days of Pancho Villa. Is that what the US wants, south of the border?

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zurcroniumSEP. 01, 2016 - 09:21PM JST Trump may have to deport his wife who worked illegally on a tourist visa and then lied about it to get her green card. But lets be honest, the republicans do not care about illegal models from Slovenia. The racist republicans care about Latinos only.

Not quite. They're also afraid of Muslims.

The illegal immigration issue is very simple. Go after the companies that hire illegal immigrants. I used to live in an American town where it was essentially an open secret that the local industries were run off the backs of illegal immigrant labor. Every few months immigration would make a token bust of a local factory, ship off all the illegal immigrant workers, give the business a fine that amounted to a slap on the wrist, and then quietly look the other way while that factory hired a whole new batch of illegal immigrant workers. The money they saved by paying their illegal workers under the table at less than minimum wage probably more than covered whatever fines they suffered from the bust. Conservatives like bashing the immigrants and not the businesses that hire them because it gives them a constantly-refreshing supply of workers they can pay less than minimum wage while keeping them vulnerable so they don't dare complain.

But no conservative politician is ever going to impose penalties on businesses that hurt in today's conservative headspace, because that's a regulation and regulations are scary. So instead they talk tough about a subject that if they're not idiots, they know their rhetoric is going to do nothing to change. But it sure will get resentful, under-skilled white people all excited.

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The aggressive tone in Phoenix marked a shift from earlier in the day, when a much more measured Trump described Mexicans as “amazing people” as he appeared alongside Pena Nieto in Mexico’s capital city. It was his first meeting with a head of state as his party’s presidential nominee.

He stabbed the Mexican president in the back. His visit will backfire on a big scale. Mexicans don't react well to traitors. His lying, cheating, scheming and flip-flopping will do him in.

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He'll always appeal to the white trash. He could spit on them and they'd call it divine rain. Fortunately, everyone else knows it for what it is, despite him flip-flopping constantly on this issue of late. At least he's being slightly less racist.

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In Trumps alternate universe, once he build his wall, then what. The wall has to be patrolled and a big wall will take a lot of people to man it. He could depend on technology but all that will tell him is that someone knocked a hole in his wall. Also it has been fairly easy to tunnel into the US so is he going to install listening posts as well? Maybe this is his idea of "good jobs" - keep thousands of people busy building a huge wall in the California, Arizona and New Mexico deserts that in the end proves nothing and does nothing. Maybe he should read Shellys work about another ruler who built in the desert and that end result.

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Donald Trump would be best for the job,” said the imperial wizard of the Rebel Brigade Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. “The reason a lot of Klan members like Donald Trump is because a lot of what he believes, we believe in.”

Just made my point about Trump and immigration perfectly.

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...anyway, I'm afraid Trump's jumped the shark with that speech. My favorite headline regarding his Mexico excursion - "Trump goes to Mexico, doesn't start war" - acknowledged that he could, perhaps and at times, be let out of the house without holding someone's hand. Then, hours later, he's back at it, still insisting that Mexico will "pay for the wall" and joking, "Maybe we can deport Hillary, too!" Ha ha! - Get it? - Exiling your political rivals! Well, that or jail her, whichever: Trump's America is what Putin would make of it.

Leave it to Trump to screw things up so badly. Clinton's chortling tonight.

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A couple of thoughts: First to SuperLib and the multitudes of people who think if Trump really wants illegal immigrants out he shouldn’t be hiring immigrants. I don’t know if his are legal or not, but only a flaming liberal or a moron wouldn’t cut labor costs for his organization, and shareholders, by hiring Hispanic immigrants, or aliens from Mars, if tolerated by America’s society, regardless of his or her personal or political philosophy. Same thing regarding Trump paying next to no taxes but promising to cut such luxuries by rich people if elected. It’s not hypocrisy, it’s responsible management for shareholders on one hand, and legislating for the common good on the other, not mutually exclusive.

And to Serendipitous: Bizarre to you, maybe, but I’m wondering if your less bizarre behavior has gotten you further than Mr. Trump has gotten with his. I’m not a billionaire, but I’m a millionaire, and I got that way through similar “bizarre” behavior, from the standpoints of most conventional people. Obviously if you are a socialist you don’t think getting rich is an admirable thing to aspire to. But it’s an American ideal.

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@Hicoway, Spoken like a true red blooded American. Thank you.

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Trump may have to deport his wife who worked illegally on a tourist visa and then lied about it to get her green card.

And you know this factually based on..... Reading too much Daily Kos or Think Progress gossip perhaps?

But lets be honest, the republicans do not care about illegal models from Slovenia. The racist republicans care about Latinos only.

Entering into the country illegally and not just Latinos, anyone else that breaks the law. Try entering into Mexico illegally and see what happens, they aggressively control their borders and if you don't have the right paperwork, you are out!

The fact is that illegals are here because of work. What work do they do, work that Americans do not want to do. People are not forced to pay illegals their salary, they do it cause no one else will pick lettuce or clean homes for $8 an hour.

We get it, but that has nothing to do with breaking the law, there is NO justification for it.

If republicans really wanted to end illegals in the USA then fining companies that hire them would do it. But that does not happen much at all. Why, because this issue is based on racism, not reality.

No, a complete and outright lie, truth be told, both parties are at fault for this mess, but the difference is, finally the GOP is waking up to their actions of dropping the ball on this. The GOP wanted the man power and the Dems wanted the votes and that's the root crux of the matter. The only thing that is racist is that Dems and libs are attaching that euphemism as they always do to make it seem like a racial issue because they know they can't justify illegal immigration, so interjecting race and giving the falsehood perception that conservatives hate Hispanics because they want them to come in legally and giving them IDs would ensure that there is no foul play or cheating the system, libs cry foul.

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Super: "How many foreigners does Trump hire in America for his Florida resort?"

Um, Trump doesn't have a problem with legal foreigners/immigrants, he and millions of other Americans have a problem with illegal immigrants.

"I feel nothing but shame, that a major US political party could nominate such an lowbrow, incoherent demagogue as its presidential candidate. This is insane."

I feel nothing but anger that a major U.S. political party could nominate such a liar and a corrupt bitch as its presidential candidate ( Hillary Wall Street Clinton ). This is insane.

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Day 1: All illegal aliens will be deported

Day 2: All illegal aliens who aren't crucial to the US economy will be deported

Day 3: 10 million illegal aliens thought crucial to the US economy

only a flaming liberal or a moron wouldn’t cut labor costs for his organization, and shareholders, by hiring Hispanic immigrants, or aliens from Mars

I think there are a lot a self-employed people and small business owners who don't look at things that way. We may be morons and some of us may be liberals, but perhaps we're just old fashioned.

"My father is a wealthy, self made man / But his wealth does not consist of riches or acres of land / Instead he has a family who are his biggest fans" (Paolo Nutini https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHCk8mYsLPE )

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I was there in person last night , The push is we have so many illegal immigrants that have been put in jails for crimes of drug sales to murder and there own country refuse to take them back and they are forced to let them out in our cities to comment crime agian , they take the jobs away because they are willing to work for less . The cost to the usa to school them , to give medical and food to them have added to our debt .Every other County has strict rules on immigration , why is it that the USA is now looked like the bad guy because we want the rule of law to be upheld?

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LizzSEP. 01, 2016 - 07:57PM JST

Mr. Trump is correct when he said America has the right as any nation does to protect its borders.

All Trump needs to do, at least in public remarks, is to insist that he wants to do for America what Mexico does to protect itself. One simple point: “I will ensure that America’s immigration policy is modeled after Mexico’s.”

I've always marveled at how much bile is directed at the US with even the suggestion of implementing policies that are the every day rule of law in places like Mexico. Remember the freakout over Arizona's "papers please" law? Well... in Mexico that's the standard operating procedure, and if you don't have proper documentation on demand it's arrest and summary deportation. Another controversy was over the 287(g) program which allowed local law enforcement officials in the US to make immigration related arrests. In Mexico every branch of law enforcement works hand in hand with the immigration service, every Mexican cop can ask for your papers and arrest you if you come up short. Even natural born Mexican citizens are empowered to make citizen's arrests of illegal aliens and turn them over for arrest and deportation.

Entering Mexico illegally is a felony carrying a two year prison sentence. The Mexican government has implemented a border protection program along it's southern borders with the stationing of thousands of federal troops, the building of physical barriers and enhanced interdiction and enforcement. What's interesting is that the US government is paying a large share of the cost. (75,000,000 USD)

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Kuya 808: I've always marveled at how much bile is directed at the US with even the suggestion of implementing policies that are the every day rule of law in places like Mexico.

And ...

google images: calais jungle

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curious that Americans villify those who want to have the law enforced and protect the borders like any sane country does.

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When has a US politician actually laid out a plan as detailed as this? All we have gotten in the past 16 years is a bunch of "smoke and mirrors" of doing one thing, and then not having it being done. The plan is laid out. First ones out, are the criminals behind bars who are in the USA illegally. Return them to their own country. How many times on JT do we hear "Get the American military out of Japan" or "The military should abide by Japanese laws" etc. etc. Same principal. They have been found guilty of a crime, and why should the USA bear the burden of their incarceration? If the country that they come from doesn't want them back (13,000 cases so far) then simple, reduce the numbers of visas from that country. They will soon get the message.

Trump is not proposing any real new laws. The laws he is going to enforce are already on the books. When I had to get my wife's Green card, one of the forms I had to sign along with showing proof of an income and tax returns for the three previous years was a form stating that I would not bring her to America, and then put her on public assistance and that I had the resources to take care of her. Yet, I should have just let her come to the USA and overstay her visa and she would actually be able to get more in terms of public assistance than those who come in legally.

Enforcing the laws on the books, enacted by others doesn't make Trump a racist.

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Interestingly, the left wingers on here who believe in lawlessness are happily living in a country, Japan, that has the toughest immigration policies, who probably freak out when its time to renew their visas and of course do so on time, that has some of the most xenophobic elites setting the countrys policy. Bunch of hypocrites.

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The wall has to be patrolled and a big wall will take a lot of people to man it.

They could put together a force of people to man it quite easily. Basically, they could offer newly convicted felons the option of manning the wall instead of going to prison. It would have to be a life commitment though, with each one swearing into this 'brotherhood', where abandonment of one's post would be a death sentence. In order to give them all a feeling of unity and solidarity, they could dress them all in a uniform, say a black one, and we could say that wall duty would be known as 'putting on the black'.

In this way, the hordes on the other side of the wall could be kept out, and the states, united, could rely on these "brothers in black" to keep out the hordes of "wildlings" that live in the wild lawless lands beyond the wall.

Until the brown walkers come that is...

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Hicoway: Same thing regarding Trump paying next to no taxes but promising to cut such luxuries by rich people if elected. It’s not hypocrisy, it’s responsible management for shareholders on one hand, and legislating for the common good on the other, not mutually exclusive.

That's a fair statement.

But I think it leads to questioning Trump's sincerity when he says he wants to put American workers first. He had a chance to do that in the past and chose foreign workers over American workers so he could make a few more bucks. Smart move financially, but it also shows how money outweighs his consideration for Americans.

Alphaape: When has a US politician actually laid out a plan as detailed as this?

Well with the bi-partisan legislation that had enough votes to pass but was sunk by the far right. It's not talked about much in the bubble.

Yet, I should have just let her come to the USA and overstay her visa

Not with that wall we are going to build.

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But I think it leads to questioning Trump's sincerity when he says he wants to put American workers first. He had a chance to do that in the past and chose foreign workers over American workers so he could make a few more bucks. Smart move financially, but it also shows how money outweighs his consideration for Americans

People change. If Hillary can change her positions on issues, so can Trump.

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People change.

But you spent multiple posts in a different thread besmirching the reputation of a dead man (senator Byrd), who 70 years ago spent some time in the KKK, and spent the remaining 70 years after that working towards civil liberties, by claiming that he couldn't change.

So which is it, can people change, or can't they? If they can, then you'd have to admit that Byrd more than repented for his youthful stupidity. Or if they can't change, then Trump can't have changed.

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A law is made that makes 11 000 000 people illegal. Who is wrong, the 11 000 000 people or whoever made the law? A law that makes a person illegal on the planet???

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