Trump says North Korea agreed to denuclearize. It hasn't

And NK wants to be recognized as a nuclear superpower and treated as such.

Still wonder what came out of Kim Jong Un’s trip to China.

Trump couldn't be accurate if he were being advised by professionals. Wait . . . That's what's happening now.

Trump desperately needs some kind of foreign policy victory to distract from his legal woes and suspicions of collusion. Since he doesn't know how to actually achieve such a victory, it appears he's decided to manufacture one. Who cares if it doesn't actually do anything to improve conditions in the region, just so long as he can say, "Mission Accomplished!" and then tweet about it?

I mean, other than the people who have to deal with the fallout, obviously.

NK is never going to give up its nukes, not after TRump's "fire and fury" and "totally destroy their country" remarks. And not after they get a chance to speak with the leader of the free world ONLY because they have nukes. Trump is going to be made to look into a complete idiot while NK's prestige is raised.

I don't believe for one second that Kim will not ask for a quid pro quo.

Better not to raise expectations. He's certainly preparing the field for his own demands.

Donald Trump on Sunday claimed North Korea has agreed to "denuclearization" before his potential meeting with Kim Jong Un. But that's not the case.

But the North has stopped short of saying it has any intention of abandoning its nuclear arsenal, with Kim making clear that nukes remain a "treasured sword."

This claim that North Korea agreeing to denuclearization when the North have not said anything about "abandoning its nuclear arsenal" sounds like FAKE NEWS from Trumph.

So now being “committed to the concept” of something doesn’t mean you agree to do it. This liberal media is beyond insane playing with words. Anything to argue against what Trump says.

Being committed to the concept of denuclearization, however, is not the same as agreeing to it, as Trump claims.

Sleepy Eyes Chuck Todd of Fake News NBC just stated that we have given up so much in our negotiations with North Korea, and they have given up nothing. Wow, we haven’t given up anything & they have agreed to denuclearization (so great for World), site closure, & no more testing!

From DT’s tweet for the background.

I guess he is not paying attention during his briefings...

Is the liberal media also going to claim they didn’t say no more testing and won’t close the rest site too?

They didn’t sign an agreement in blood in triplicate to do those so Trump is wrong! say liberal media talking heads.

Let’s hope NK chalks it up to Trump being misinformed and stays focused on the task at hand.

If I were Kim, I would keep what I got, and allow inspectors in every 6 months. There has already been a US scientist there many times and he was very impressed at what they have accomplished. Put him on the team.

Is the liberal media also going to claim they didn’t say no more testing and won’t close the rest site too?

What did the media do wrong? Trump said NK has agreed to denuclearization when thy have not. It’s an important distinction in talks that would best be described as fragile.

And no, the liberal media isn’t going say North Korea hasn’t offered to end testing. That would be saying the wrong thing. They haven’t done that. Trump has. Your guy, not the media. Trump misreported. If we were going off of past behavior, Trump would be more likely to say that, because it’s not correct, and Trump is the only one in this story who is not correct.

Wishful thinking? Tweeting late at night? I hope the meeting goes well but I don't expect much.

So Korea says they have agreed to denuclearization. So does Trump’s guy he sent for a meeting. But let’s listen to some reporter from the AP who wasn’t even there play word games just so we can criticize Trump. That really helps the situation.

This is basically what you have. That comments translated from another language into English were translated as “seeking to” not “agreeing to”.

The NBC News post repeated a Reuters report from April 19 that said, "South Korea's Moon says North seeking 'complete denuclearization'."

In the nuances of diplomacy, the transition from "seeking" to "agrees to" is a big deal.

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So, no direct statements from North Korea on denuclearization, but the word has been in play and not refuted by North Korea.

Trump says North Korea agreed to denuclearize.

More fake news out of the White House.

President Donald Trump on Sunday claimed...

Any time I read Trump claimed something, I have to think he's claiming it for his base, who'll accept everything he says without question. 

Trump knows Breitbart, Infowars, Fox ‘news’ and other media he controls will select keywords from what he’s claimed, regardless of truth, to use in their headlines, and that Trump’s base will then just parrot those words until they become meme-ified.

Trump doesn't expect individuals able to discern facts from distortions to believe him. And he doesn't care. 

If any media outlet questions him, he knows to keep his base in line all he has to do is claim it was ‘fake news’.

It's hilarious how conservatives cannot understand that words have meanings so blame their lack of accurate information on "the liberal media playing word games."

Trumpophiles also don't understand nuance and then blame their lack of knowledge on "the liberal media playing word games."

So much for being responsible for yourself in the education department.

Super: Brilliant post at 9:34.

It's funny how conservatives lay blame at everything and everyone except for Trump when Trump clearly made the mistake. Isn't that what swamp dwellers do? Refuse to take responsibility.

Well, he gets everything wrong anyway, so no surprise there.

So he had already gotten the assurances of stopping testing, closing the test site and no withdrawal of our troops as well as a commitment to at least the idea of denuclearization. hasn’t even sat at the table yet and got all of that.

3.5 of the 4 things he needs to prevent nuclear Armageddon, still no credit just want to play word games.

Did you forget they Guam and Hawaii were going to be wiped off the face of the earth couple months ago? I would say this is huge progress.

Also you publicly announce someone has agreed to something as a negotiation technique. If they don’t immediately and negatively respond that they have not agreed at all, you know you are getting somewhere.

has NK responded that this is untrue? No they haven’t and if they do, Trump just cancels the meeting because he isn’t accepting anything less then that.

You guys are going to lose your mind when Trump (and Dennis Rodman) are awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.

Trump desperately needs some kind of foreign policy victory to distract from his legal woes and suspicions of collusion.

That dried up fruit again? Thankfully, Giuliani is on the Trump team, so Mueller will be met with a very wise shrewd formidable opponent as well as long time friend, so this is probably going to come to this conclusion real soon and we can be on our way.

Since he doesn't know how to actually achieve such a victory, it appears he's decided to manufacture one.

And you know this from......

Who cares if it doesn't actually do anything to improve conditions in the region, just so long as he can say, "Mission Accomplished!" and then tweet about it?

The last 3 Presidents didn’t even come close to bringing Kim to the table or even declaring to denuclearize.

I mean, other than the people who have to deal with the fallout, obviously.

Well, that Depends on Kim, all he has to do is keep his word, if he does that, nothing to worry about, if he goes back on it, then Bolton comes in and Kim knows who Bolton is and one way or another, they will comply, the easy way or the hard way.

if he goes back on it, then Bolton comes in and Kim knows who Bolton is and one way or another, they will comply, the easy way or the hard way

By "the hard way" you mean nuclear annihilation of the entire Korean peninsula as well as Japan. Sounds like a great way to accomplish the mission.

bass I’m curious: which is more important to you, that justice be served against any politician if they have done wrong, or that a politician on your team finds a way to avoid being caught for something wrong that they have done?

Since giving the man-child credit is so important to his sycophants, good in Trump for helping effect this. That still doesn't change the fact that the DPRK hasn't committed to denuclearization or that pointing out that it is not playing word games.

Well, that Depends on Kim, all he has to do is keep his word, if he does that, nothing to worry about, if he goes back on it, then Bolton comes in and Kim knows who Bolton is and one way or another, they will comply

And you know this from . . .

The last 3 Presidents didn’t even come close to bringing Kim to the table

Facts eluding conservatives yet again:

On Oct. 21, 1994, the United States and North Korea signed an agreement-the Agreed Framework-calling upon Pyongyang to freeze operation and construction of nuclear reactors suspected of being part of a covert nuclear weapons program

https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/agreedframework

Let me guess, you meant an actual Kim at the table.

As for the pie-in-the-sky assertion that Giuliani is the silver bullet to Mueller, well, keep dreaming. In a month, after Giuliani has failed to "handle Mueller," hopefully conservatives will be quiet and allow the investigation to run its course.

Whats the left gonna cry about after the reunification of the North with the South and No Russian collusion.

Guess it's up to you Stormy!

...gotten the assurances...

Black, since when did the right become the party of the quisling? Trump has received zero so far. Not that he won't; not that I hope he doesn't; but he's got nothing yet. In fact, Trump's being played. Kim will try to roll him and come off looking like the peace-seeker, thus strengthening ties with China and weakening those between the US and SK/JP.

Black, even Trump seems to smell the con. Don't encourage him.

How hard will the right cry when Trump blows the meeting with Kim and Mueller indicts Trump?

There is no con here. It’s just the liberal media being petty, arguing that someone can commit to something without agreeing to do it. There is no reason for this article to exist, it’s like arguing that something which is “warm” isn’t really “hot”.

It’s a petty attack to make it sound like a total lie that progress is actually going on. North Korea hasn’t ruled denuclearization out, do that means its in.

Both S Korea and Pompeo know what Kim said, liberal journalists can only try to play word games with translations.

Even really “trying” blows out of the water anything the previous guy got the Nobel Prize for (he got it for thinking about trying, then giving up to even try)

The only people that are whining are the cons that don't understand that words have meanings.

Nice one, Black. You went from complaining about words having meaning to "it's better than Obama" in 3 minutes. You conservatives are powerless to suppress your compulsion to mention Obama. Hilarious and sad all at the same time.

The real hypocrisy here is that the right is still going on about the 'bad Iran deal', yet is trying to make a deal with N. Korea, while pretending they aren't hypocritical.

Let's face it, the only actual bad thing about the Iran deal for them is that it happened during the Obama years. If it had happened in the Trump years, they would be singing his praises.

This way if Trump makes the deal, they get to sing his praises, and if he doesn't, they think that people won't make the obvious comparison that Obama was able to make a deal while Trump wasn't.

Stranger: Agreed 100%.

Watch, no matter what happens during the Kim-Trump meeting, the usual cons will be praising Trump as if he were a minor deity. The level of their intellectual dishonesty is repugnant.

and no matter what happens the usual liberals will be saying their normal mantra of not enough/too much or too soon/too late for every single thing.

We were all supposed to die in a nuclear conflagration weren’t we? Yet look at all the process that liberals still whining about.

Uh how did the last guy make his horrible Iran deal work out? Special diplomacy? Nope! Pallet loads of cash to fund their nuclear program and terrorist supporting activities.

Who wouldn’t accept a deal where you get cash and give up nothing? Trump has the challenge of actually making Kim give up his nukes, that won’t be easy to pull off.

We may still all die in a nuclear conflagration given Trump's penchant for mouthing off on Twitter. More to the point, nobody was saying we were supposed to die in a nuclear conflagration, people were saying the likelihood had risen greatly. Why can't cons be accurate? It really isn't playing with words, it's being accurate.

Those pallets of cash belonged to Iran. You cons were complaining that those pallets were used to get Americans released, now it was for the nuclear deal.

As for getting nothing in return, that's a con daydream that does not accord with the facts. It helps you guys justify your hatred of Obama, but simply is t true.

So what did we get from Iran exactly? Just because things “belong to” other countries doesn’t mean we have to give it back if we know they will use it to threaten the world, or fund nukes and terrorism, right?

I can be accurate. Liberals just have short memories and don’t remember their “we are all gonna die cause of Trump tweets” nonsense. Nuclear attack warnings in Hawaii...Guam tourism trips cancelled? No, still not ringing a bell? How bout this?

http://toofab.com/2018/01/03/the-view-piles-on-trumps-nuclear-north-korea-tweets-he-is-just-going-to-kill-all-of-us/

Washington post talking about nuclear war:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/this-is-how-nuclear-war-with-north-korea-would-unfold/2017/12/08/4e298a28-db07-11e7-a841-2066faf731ef_story.html

The warning in Hawaii was a mistake. Nice accuracy.

Trump may just kill us all yet. The article about the View doesn't support your proposition.

Talking about nuclear war is different than predicting it. There's that accuracy issue. Or, am I just playing with words again?

By "the hard way" you mean nuclear annihilation of the entire Korean peninsula as well as Japan. Sounds like a great way to accomplish the mission.

Ok, and now back to reality.....

I can only assume you mean Obama/Clinton/Bush when in fact Kim Pong-Un has only been the dictator since 2011 wasn't there during Clinton/Bush eras.

He is related to Il Sung and Jong Il, right?

The difference, to some degree between Kim Pong-Un and his father and grandfather is he was educated in the West and lived outside of NK. Although he's now just as brutal as his father and grandfather.

Don't know, haven’t spoken to anyone in the giant prison camps recently.

Previous presidents tried very hard to resolve a very difficult situation but were unable to achieve it.

By giving concessions, without random verifications of nuclear sites, willing to walk out or to give the North Koreans the most severest, crippling sanctions? You are joking, I assume.

To date President Moon has done much more than President Trump so we will have to wait and see what Trump can achieve but the final solutions could take longer than his terms in office. Like the previous three presidents, in the end, their time just ran out.

Moon should do what he can, after all, it’s one country, just separated by barbed wire. But as far as sanctions are tough talk, the President did way more than his predecessors, so the Trump doctrine worked and good for him to keep the pressure, now if Kim gets in his thick head that he can get the US out of the Peninsula, so that he can gobble up the naive Moon, that’s not going to happen.

Yes you are playing with words. Saying we are all gonna die isn’t “talking about” nuclear war it’s predicting the result of us all dying. This a prediction not just talking about a topic.

why was Hawaii doing nuclear drills in the first place? Why did tourists cancel Guam trips? Cause Trump tweeted mean things to Kim and liberals thought we all gonna die. Seems it turned out a little differently and led to a meeting being set up instead.

Talking about nuclear war is different than predicting it. There's that accuracy issue. Or, am I just playing with words again?

Yep thats great, except the Washington Post says the opposite:

It was a drill the agency had started with some regularity last November — around the time Hawaii reinstated its Cold War-era nuclear warning sirens amid growing fears of an attack by North Korea — 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/01/14/hawaii-missile-alert-how-one-employee-pushed-the-wrong-button-and-caused-a-wave-of-panic/

You're playing your horn or should I say violin even before the concert has begun. To date, the only action by Trump was to sent his CIA for a secret meeting with the NK leader.

Yes and whatever Pompeo said to Kim seems to be adhering as well as Trump talking rhetoric to Kim.

We don't even know the content of that meeting. Trump also awarded himself an gold metal claiming the Olympics were more successful because of him. Pants on fire

I hope you do know Trump likes messing with people’s heads as much as they like teasing him.

No news here the master of fake news at it again.....his loyal cronies eat it up

What did CNN do now?

Whoa there conservative steads. The warning system regarding the DPRK has been in place a long time because, as you correctly assert, the DPRK is a dangerous state actor.

The "hard way" in regards to the DPRK does involve death and destruction unlike the world has seen since WWII. The DPRK has nuclear weapons that can be detonated on ships, if not mounted on ICBMs or short-range, Japan-capable missiles. If it is attacked by the overwhelming firepower and technology of the US and its allies,it will respond. It is, as you so off point out, locked and loaded.

Cons have painted themselves into a warmongering corner with the DPRK. Claiming it is so dangerous that Trump's agreement to talks represents something that wasn't done by Kim's father because it has to be (read: we'll blow them up if the aint sincere this time).

Then claiming that if talks fail, according to a Trump Tweet of course, its war to disarm.

He is related to Il Sung and Jong Il, right?

And this means he was the leader of the DPRK before 2011? Time/ physics/history is baffling, I guess.

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Here comes an accuracy bomb on Black's parade regarding the mistaken missile alert:

Around 8:05 a.m., the Hawaii emergency employee initiated the internal test, according to a timeline released by the state. From a drop-down menu on a computer program, he saw two options: “Test missile alert” and “Missile alert.” He was supposed to choose the former; as much of the world now knows, he chose the latter, an initiation of a real-life missile alert.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/01/14/hawaii-missile-alert-how-one-employee-pushed-the-wrong-button-and-caused-a-wave-of-panic/

I know cons have issues with the meanings of words, but this:

He was supposed to choose the former; as much of the world now knows, he chose the latter

unmistakably denotes there was a choice and the improper choice was taken. If it weren't an accident, there wouldn't have been a choice.

At least for now, Pyongyang won’t be firing over Japan or in the direction of Japan.

And this means he was the leader of the DPRK before 2011? Time/ physics/history is baffling, I guess.

Uhmmmm......so he’s not part of the bigger Kim dynasty? DNA doesn’t mean anything to the left these days.

I listen to my kids all the time its pretty interesting to hear what they have to say.

I don’t, they’re kids.

If you say the same types of things to your kids that you say here, and they react in a way that you consider to be 'bloviating', I'd say you ended up raising some good kids.

My kids don’t dictate policy in my house and if they don’t follow, they know what will happen. Thank God for Bolton.

Since the DPRK was formed in 1949, which of the two countries North Korea and America have invaded the most other countries and killed more people in them?

And Which country has helped more people to obtain freedom over the last 100 years, definitely not NK.

DNA means quite a lot, just not that someone was a leader of a clountry before they actually were. Yoinks!

“Clountry?” Anyway, the dynasty between the 3 is what 70 years, so now it’s time for the younger Kim to give up his toys.

It takes quite a lot of hubris to off-handedly discount lidteningbto your children, nog to mention that indicates neglect.

What?

Of course children don't dictate policy in the house. That would get akin to trump or Bolton dictating policy: uninformed and rushed. Life the Billy BigBollocks approach to rearing children, Internet tough guy.

I doubt it and I do believe Bolton has a bit more experience in international affairs than both of us, so I trust his judgment. Either way, the turbulent days of the Kim nuclear standoff is slowly coming to an end.

The country that has helped other countries to obtain freedom of the past 100 years? Probably a European country.

WWII? Canada?

Only uneducated, utterly ignorant, barely-literate individuals asset that DNA allows time travel.

Really? So the far left are THAT far off?

Zichi: Trump tweet: We are a long way from conclusion on North Korea, maybe things will work out, and maybe they won’t - only time will tell....But the work I am doing now should have been done a long time ago!

Looks like someone sat Trump down and explained some things to him.

Bass: The last 3 Presidents didn’t even come close to bringing Kim to the table or even declaring to denuclearize.

Well Clinton reached a deal the NK ultimately backed out of, which is one of the major reasons why Trump is being cautioned.

Trump is a compulsive liar, never forget that.

He lies to a degree that he cannot remember what lies he told an hour before. You tell a lie then tell another lie to cover up the previous lie.

Trumps PR people are on a hiding to nowhere. Retract, amend, fake news followed by more lies.

 still no credit just want to play word games. yes Trump should thank China, afterall its their economic embargo which has effected NK the most. Lets see if that trade war with China is still on the cards. LOL

How embarrassing. We have a child in the White House. A child with nuclear weapons.

Isn't this what his followers call playing 4-dimensional chess?

As well as declaring a halt to nuclear and ICBM testing, Kim Jong-un made it clear that such steps were possible because his regime had completed work on building a viable nuclear deterrent.

According to the official account of the party plenary, he said that such testing was no longer necessary “given that the work for mounting nuclear warheads on ballistic rockets was finished as the whole processes of developing nuclear weapons were carried out in a scientific way and in regular sequence”. He said the North Korean arsenal, which he sees as a “powerful treasured sword for defending peace”, was an insurance policy for future generations: “a firm guarantee by which our descendants can enjoy the most dignified and happiest life in the world was provided.”

Kim presented the moratorium on testing as a contribution of a “world-level” power towards the global goal of a future free of nuclear weapons. In other words, he sees denuclearizing as something that has to be done by everybody, not just North Korea.