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Orange Daffy no 1 with Republicans. A flim-flam loud-mouth tout feeding self-important racist and sexist slop to an angry, conspiratorial, blinkered and willfully ignorant self-entitled nativist monster known as, well,

a good part of the Republican base.

Yeah conservatives. You build that!

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Are we witnessing the final eclipse of the already thin line between reality and reality TV? At least on the Faux News side of the aisle, where reality was never popular to begin with? This not a good moment for our country. A national disgrace is what it is. Trump's candidacy is making a mockery of our democracy.

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"the backing of 24% of Republican voters" . . . "Trump’s appeal among less affluent, conservative-leaning voters who say his brash style is needed to shake up an overly cautious political system and that his vast wealth would help him resist corrupting influences" . . . . “They’re willing to deal with a less-than-perfect candidate if they believe it will actually change things in Washington.”

Trump's value lies in revealing the core of the GOP-Tea. Simple folk who can understand the need to date their own daughters, just like their hero Trump. (See JT article where Trump described his wish to date his then 24 year old daughter.)

Trump also reveals the Tea-Party lunatic component who thirsts to "Water the Tree of Liberty with Blood" and a wanton desire for reckless dictatorships headed by rich white misogynists. (Americans saw how that went with AWOL Bush and his cadre of war profiteers.)

Most troubling, Trump shows the GOP-Tea is a rudderless bunch of half wits who have so long ago abandoned any ethical or moral standards that they don't know whether cheering for a Mexican hating xenophobe with incestual tendencies is something to be ashamed of.

For these Republicans, Trump is the answer to their prayers. A rich guy who takes pride in hating Americans who don't fit in the intellectual straight-jacket of their racism and religious zealotry.

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Crazy Joe and kcjapan

Well said, the both of you.

It's funny. We've seem to come to a happy point where the depravity of our enemy is so base, so glaring and so obvious, that, well, game over.

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Trump's value lies in revealing the core of the GOP-Tea. Simple folk who can understand the need to date their own daughters, just like their hero Trump. (See JT article where Trump described his wish to date his then 24 year old daughter.)

Trump also reveals the Tea-Party lunatic component who thirsts to "Water the Tree of Liberty with Blood" and a wanton desire for reckless dictatorships headed by rich white misogynists. (Americans saw how that went with AWOL Bush and his cadre of war profiteers.)

But what about the Obama cronies that refused to take the Iranian deal and ISIS seriously. Why NO mention of that critical poin?

Most troubling, Trump shows the GOP-Tea is a rudderless bunch of half wits who have so long ago abandoned any ethical or moral standards that they don't know whether cheering for a Mexican hating xenophobe with incestual tendencies is something to be ashamed of.

Morals? Seriously???? Gosh, I sure hope you are not insinuating the lying socialist, vegan, Prius candidates we have on the Dems side have what we call morals or ethics for that matter, if you do, we are all doomed to be damned!

For these Republicans, Trump is the answer to their prayers.

24% of the conservative electorate. That's not most and we are NOT talking about the popular vote which means nothing in a general election.

A rich guy who takes pride in hating Americans

Hillary is rich and takes monumental pride in ripping off Americans or worse...flip flopping on issues depending on which way the wind will blow daily. Hate...hmmm, but taking people as suckers, definetly!

who don't fit in the intellectual straight-jacket of their racism and religious zealotry.

But keeping Blacks and Hispanics on the government nipple and dependent on big government and not educating them on self-reliance isn't racism???? Wow!

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bass

the lying socialist, vegan, Prius candidates

lying -- Go prove it. Are you referring to the Benghazi and email 'scandals'? Good luck with that.

socialist -- Good.

vegan -- Good.

Prius -- Good.

You've got to live with the fact that Trump is the GOP's Frankenstein monster. His creator, Roger Ailes, cannot control him anymore.

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bass, your usual, "Sure, but what about Dems/Hillary/Obama?" method of debate isn't really going to get you very far on this topic. Trump is dominating everything at this point.

I really can't say I know what Republicans should do next. I don't think their current plan of ganging up on him will work. He's insulted Mexicans and now women and his support is as strong as ever so it's unlikely that another verbal misstep will do much damage, unless it's against god. Maybe some of his policy positions will trip him up but he's going to fire some shots across the bow of the other candidates before it's all said and done.

Isn't it kind of weird that Fox and the media are focusing on Kelly when Trump said some pretty tasteless things about Rosie O'Donnell that they are ignoring? Is Trump only bad when he attacks conservative women?

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Trump seems alright for the Republicans; better than the rest of that bleak, robotic flock who are only good for bleating well-rehearsed songs and pieties

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Further evidence of the dumbing down of US politics and society by TV and celebrity and the glorification of "strongly held views". Or is it actually possible that his "speak the truth" and "attack political correctness" is indeed reflective of the views of large numbers of US voters?

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@Bass Rather than the usual 'yes, but what about the lying libs/dems/vegans/socialists/Prius drivers' ( I like how your expanding your vocabulary, by the way ), could you give a non-partisan assessment of Trump's popularity? Please try to answer without using the words 'Hillary', 'Clinton' or 'Benghazi'.

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lying -- Go prove it. Are you referring to the Benghazi and email 'scandals'? Good luck with that.

No, I don't need to, as it looks right now, Uma seems to be holding the key and she's starting to become a liability, also Hillary's unpopularity is growing by the day.

socialist -- Good.

Go to Europe.

vegan -- Good.

wimps

Prius -- Good.

I prefer American muscle

You've got to live with the fact that Trump is the GOP's Frankenstein monster. His creator, Roger Ailes, cannot control him anymore.

Sorry, Trump can't control himself, but like with Hillary that star will fade out soon. At this point, there is NO way he'll be the nominee with 24% of the electorate.

your usual, "Sure, but what about Dems/Hillary/Obama?" method of debate isn't really going to get you very far on this topic. Trump is dominating everything at this point.

Actually, this is not about me, yes, he is popular, we all know that, but that is far different from the voter electorate and as it stands 74% of hardcore conservative say NO WAY to Trump. Now the Alex Jones fringe crowd of 24% popular will always love him, good for them.

I really can't say I know what Republicans should do next.

Let the Trump fad ride out and don't pay any attention to him. Each candidate should worry about themselves and let the chips fall where they may.

I don't think their current plan of ganging up on him will work.

The only one that ganged up on Trump was Paul.

He's insulted Mexicans and now women and his support is as strong as ever so it's unlikely that another verbal misstep will do much damage, unless it's against god. Maybe some of his policy positions will trip him up but he's going to fire some shots across the bow of the other candidates before it's all said and done.

With the Alex Jones gang, he's a star, NO doubt about it. These loons can all have each other.

Isn't it kind of weird that Fox and the media are focusing on Kelly when Trump said some pretty tasteless things about Rosie O'Donnell that they are ignoring? Is Trump only bad when he attacks conservative women?

Trump was right regarding Rosie, that is one thing I personally can't argue with that. Anything else, Trump is just a pure, selfish, ego driven moonbat.

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Boy are you off base as American brand cars are not made in the USA. For example, "The Chevy Aveo, for example, is built in Korea with 1 percent domestic parts."

About lying what about weapons of mass destruction and the liar that lead the USA into a war. My husband is 100 percent disabled from that war.

So you think a candidate for President of the USA should describe women as "‘fat pigs’, ‘dogs’, ‘slobs’, and ‘disgusting animals,’”? He uses these words against women that disagree with him.

I agree with the rest of your statement about Trump but you feel that people must be like you. What makes the USA wonderful is people can be individuals. "We hold these truths to be sacred & undeniable; that all men are created equal & independent, that from that equal creation they derive rights inherent & inalienable, among which are the preservation of life, & liberty, & the pursuit of happiness; ..." Thomas Jefferson

I often am against some American policies but what a foundation for a country to be born.

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bass: So much for your "Trump is going down in flames" comments after the debate, eh, bud? Not even the mighty (or think they are) powers at Faux News can take him down. Instead, there's a petition gathering tens of THOUSANDS of names demanding that Megan be not allowed to host any more debates as she instigated what happened, etc. Ouch!

So, your man Trump is still the leader of your right-wing establishment. You can try and deflect and bring up Hillary and Obama all you want, but this about Trump; and you can't handle it.

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Rather than the usual 'yes, but what about the lying libs/dems/vegans/socialists/Prius drivers' ( I like how your expanding your vocabulary, by the way ),

Try harder.

could you give a non-partisan assessment of Trump's popularity? Please try to answer without using the words 'Hillary', 'Clinton' or 'Benghazi

I did, you just didn't want to focus on the points that I have acknowledged.

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congratulations donald ! Beat that Jeb Bush, his family were you all cowards .The world needs a US president like you! And keep your speech going, good for workd democracies !

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bass: With the Alex Jones gang, he's a star, NO doubt about it. These loons can all have each other.

Alex Jones, huh? Ted Cruz teamed up with him on Jade Helm, right?

And are you telling me that they control a full 24% of GOP primary voters? I can't imagine tit's that high, mostly because I'm too afraid to.

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Alex Jones, huh? Ted Cruz teamed up with him on Jade Helm, right?

I never said, Cruz was my favorite.

And are you telling me that they control a full 24% of GOP primary voters? I can't imagine tit's that high, mostly because I'm too afraid to.

24% are the nutty fringe groups that will vote for Trump regardless of what he says or does.

So much for your "Trump is going down in flames" comments after the debate, eh, bud? Not even the mighty (or think they are) powers at Faux News can take him down. Instead, there's a petition gathering tens of THOUSANDS of names demanding that Megan be not allowed to host any more debates as she instigated what happened, etc. Ouch!

She doesn't have to worry, her ratings are almost as high as O'Reilly's and now they're through the roof. Kudos to her.

Also, Trump being popular doesn't mean that he'll get the entire 74% of the vote as to how it looks, NOPE.

So, your man Trump

Not my man, but continue...

is still the leader of your right-wing establishment. You can try and deflect and bring up Hillary and Obama all you want, but this about Trump; and you can't handle it.

I'm not deflecting anything, don't have to. You're just not getting it. The same goes for Hillary. She's popular, but for the electorate.....she will run into some serious problems. 67% of Independents don't trust her, that is just damaging.

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'24% are the nutty fringe groups that will vote for Trump regardless of what he says or does.'

You told me that you'd vote Trump over Clinton. Would you still vote for this 'pure, selfish, ego driven moonbat' no matter what he says or does if he wins the nomination? I know it's a hypothetical but you've been prepared to answer hypotheticals in the past.

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bass: 24% are the nutty fringe groups

My God, nutty fringe groups are a quarter of the GOP? There's no way it's that high.

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bass: 24% are the nutty fringe groups

100% are the nutty fringe groups. 24% of those just happen to be supporting Trump.

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Breakfast time in America! - The Rightist Revolution are squabbling over whether to eat their spawn or crown it. To anyone who has been paying attention, this news is not in the least surprising. The overwhelmingly glaring fact is, though, that this party cannot be trusted to govern. Congress' return in September will undoubtedly prove this decisively.

It will only get more bizarre.

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Many posters may be too young to remember the independent candidate Ross Perot who debated Cliton and George Bush senior Back in early 90s. Ross predicted USA will be broke and unemployment will be sky rocketed after signing North American free trade agreement. It has become the reality after many decades. China joing the member as WTO made that matter worse from bad.

If Ross has been elected, he will not let USA down like Bush Jnr and Obama. The problem of US is it has many flip flop people. These dishonest thugs are ruining the nation. Trump may be blunt for illegal immigrants and some women. At least he has a gut to stand up for long suffering burden of hard working decent people. He is not sugar coated person.

In fact he will be better president because he is self made Billionare. He is disgusted about dynastic rule. He will not inherit the throne from father, brother or husband as Monarch. USA needs straight forward leader like Trump.

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Donald Trump makes the London Mayor Boris Johnson seem normal and level headed. How can anyone take that loony seriously?

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Bass4funk: "I'm not deflecting anything, don't have to. You're just not getting it. The same goes for Hillary."

Hahaha... you're not 'deflecting anything,' then in the very next sentence try and deflect by switching an article about Trump's leading the Republican party and people calling you up on your being wrong IMMEDIATELY to Hillary!! haha. Nope, not deflecting at all. Classic!

"Not my man, but continue..."

And yet you support much of what he says. You said so yourself. You likely support his misogynist cracks as well.

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America is quite comical at times, it would be funny except imagine if the most powerful man in the world was Donald Trump, that isn't funny, its terrifying.

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You told me that you'd vote Trump over Clinton. Would you still vote for this 'pure, selfish, ego driven moonbat' no matter what he says or does if he wins the nomination?

As much as it would pain me and torture my soul, from the two lesser evils, I would vote for Trump, I would definitely flog myself, but having another out of control socialist progressive, NO WAY.

I know it's a hypothetical but you've been prepared to answer hypotheticals in the past.

Because you never gave me one of substance worth answering.

My God, nutty fringe groups are a quarter of the GOP? There's no way it's that high.

If I were you, I'd worry about how to convince 67% of Independents that Hillary is.....ahem...honest? ROFL

100% are the nutty fringe groups. 24% of those just happen to be supporting Trump.

Hmmm...if you call loving the country and wanting to save it from the clutches of a social Tyrant from handing it off to Pinocchio, and want to heal the country again, then yes, they are nutty.

The overwhelmingly glaring fact is, though, that this party cannot be trusted to govern.

Why do you think a lot of people love Trump so much?! Because we definitely got shafted by this jerk, so if you are looking at the electorate the current government can't be trusted as well, but thankfully we have another 455 days left until the Obama monarchy is finally behind us!!

Hahaha... you're not 'deflecting anything,' then in the very next sentence try and deflect by switching an article about Trump's leading the Republican party and people calling you up on your being wrong IMMEDIATELY to Hillary!! haha. Nope, not deflecting at all. Classic!

But I wasn't wrong. Nice try, buddy.

And yet you support much of what he says. You said so yourself. You likely support his misogynist cracks as well.

I support a lot of what he says, but that doesn't mean I support the man. Look, I love how he talks to the politicians and the media, I absolutely love it. Having said that, he is still a bully, I don't want that thin-skinned, overblown ego maniac as the nominee. Also, you know nothing about me and it goes to show how childish your comments are. No, I do not support any of his misogynist comments, but when it comes to the building a wall along the Mexican US border, getting tough with Russia, Japan and China, decimate ISIS, 100% YES!

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'As much as it would pain me and torture my soul, from the two lesser evils, I would vote for Trump,

So you would vote Trump no matter what he said or did. I suppose that puts you in the looney fringe you described.

'I would definitely flog myself, but having another out of control socialist progressive, NO WAY.'

That's strange. You also agreed with me that's she's a Wall Street arse-kisser who would continue to do nothing about wealth being pumped upstairs.

' I know it's a hypothetical but you've been prepared to answer hypotheticals in the past.

Because you never gave me one of substance worth answering.'

I really don't know where to begin on that one. Do you speak English?

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A wall along the US/Mexican border? Nothing like an over the top reaction. What next, machine guns every 100 metres?

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So you would vote Trump no matter what he said or did. I suppose that puts you in the looney fringe you described.

Hey, If you think so you are entitled to your opinion and I seriously wear that with a badge of honor, especially if I have to decide between amputating my leg or castrating myself I'll take least painful, sure they both will hurt, but as long as I have one good leg, that's all that matters. So as much as I dislike the guy, if it comes down to it whatever it takes to block another Dem, that's not an option for me.

That's strange. You also agreed with me that's she's a Wall Street arse-kisser who would continue to do nothing about wealth being pumped upstairs.

Yes, sir!

Because you never gave me one of substance worth answering.'

No, you just chose to believe what you want.

I really don't know where to begin on that one. Do you speak English?

No, I speak American.

A wall along the US/Mexican border? Nothing like an over the top reaction. What next, machine guns every 100 metres?

That is NOT a bad idea, not bad at all. North Korea doesn't have a huge immigration problem.

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'That's strange. You also agreed with me that's she's a Wall Street arse-kisser who would continue to do nothing about wealth being pumped upstairs.

Yes, sir!'

So, you agree she panders to the rich and is prepared to let the middle classes fall behind while further enriching those at the top, but she's a socialist. Can you please explain?

'No, I speak American'

I don't know what that means. Does it entail writing a completely baffling and nonsensical reply to a question? Read what I said again and see if your reply makes any sense whatsoever.

'So as much as I dislike the guy, if it comes down to it whatever it takes to block another Dem, that's not an option for me.'

Doing 'whatever it takes to block another Dem', eh? Good job I know that you're a non-partisan and not a republican. Somebody reading that sentence may think otherwise.

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So, you agree she panders to the rich

To fatten her 401K and the way she's been looking, her waistline as well.

and is prepared to let the middle classes fall behind while further enriching those at the top, but she's a socialist. Can you please explain?

She like Bernie believe in income redistribution for the middle class. Yes, that's right.

I don't know what that means.

Then please try and look it up. Don't worry, I'll be here waiting.

Does it entail writing a completely baffling and nonsensical reply to a question? Read what I said again and see if your reply makes any sense whatsoever.

Actually, it does.

Doing 'whatever it takes to block another Dem', eh?

Yes, sir. Come on, you'd do the exact same thing if the rolls were reversed, but I keep forgetting, you can't vote in the American election.

Good job I know that you're a non-partisan and not a republican.

That's right.

Somebody reading that sentence may think otherwise.

Perhaps as if I really care. I ONLY care about having Hillary and Trump seeking employment elsewhere instead of the Whitehouse.

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bass4funk: "But I wasn't wrong. Nice try, buddy."

Yes, you were, completely. You said you do not deflect, and in the very next sentence tried to deflect. Hence, you are wrong.

"No, I speak American"

Quite the response to the question of whether or not you speak English, because 'American' is not a language, bud.

Jimizo: "Doing 'whatever it takes to block another Dem', eh? Good job I know that you're a non-partisan and not a republican. Somebody reading that sentence may think otherwise."

Exactly! It's hilarious, but I think he ACTUALLY believes himself when he says that he's not partisan and not deflecting, and that Trump says a lot of good and honest things. But I guess you'd need that deep a sense of denial to still be a GOP supporter. Then you ask him to answer questions and, like Trump, he says, "I don't have to answer that" or what have you and later says he did (by not answering). Donald Trump can't even handle a Faux News reporter -- bass' life line to 'news' -- without getting riled up and insulting everyone, or trying to sue them. Imagine if he were to somehow become president of the US and he had to deal with other nations... hahaha. If it weren't such an extremely sad image it would be downright hilarious. The guy can't even answer any policy questions; only an insane, "Wait and see!" with his signature moronic shoulder shrug.

This is the GOP's number #1, and a person bass has said he supports on a number of issues. The two are meant for each other, and it's not surprising so many right-wingers and other crazies like the guy.

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'She like Bernie believe in income redistribution for the middle class. Yes, that's right.'

But you said you agreed with me that the middle classes will fall further behind under Clinton as she continues the trend of seeing all new wealth is going upstairs. You also agreed that it would continue under Bush. Don't you agree with that anymore?

I honestly don't know what speaking 'American' means. I know American English. I'm not a professional writer like you but I don't think the following exchange makes sense:

Me: ' I know it's a hypothetical but you've been prepared to answer hypotheticals in the past.' You: ' Because you never gave me one of substance worth answering.'

That makes no sense to me. Does it make sense in 'American'?

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bass: 24% are the nutty fringe groups

I just wanted an encore for that.

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What next, machine guns every 100 metres?

A few years back, I had an interchange with this poster in which he confirmed his willingness to have all illegal immigrants shot on sight. After that - what I consider a clinically insane - comment, I vowed not to parley with the poster anymore.

But this is where we are: You can remove the crazies from the GOP pack*, but you can't remove the crazies from the GOP.

*"You" here means "the establishment," and just like Mongo in "Blazing Saddles" (Google it!), the establishment does not want to annoy Mongo, for good reason but for very faulty cause.

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Yes, you were, completely.

Sorry, I didn't. Why you libs love to spin is beyond me.

You said you do not deflect, and in the very next sentence tried to deflect. Hence, you are wrong.

No, I was just stating the facts, don't beat me up, I'm only human.

"No, I speak American"

Quite the response to the question of whether or not you speak English, because 'American' is not a language, bud.

I Speak American-English. Are we happy now?

Exactly! It's hilarious, but I think he ACTUALLY believes himself when he says that he's not partisan and not deflecting, and that Trump says a lot of good and honest things.

I believe it because I know what I am and don't need to listen to people that don't know me define me or what I am. Unlike libs, I have no reason to lie about anything. I perfectly understand lying is in the DNA of most libs to further their one-sided socialist government dependence.

But I guess you'd need that deep a sense of denial to still be a GOP supporter. Then you ask him to answer questions and, like Trump, he says, "I don't have to answer that" or what have you and later says he did (by not answering).

But when you libs do it, being hypocritical doesn't apply to you guys all of a sudden?

Donald Trump can't even handle a Faux News reporter -- bass' life line to 'news' -- without getting riled up and insulting everyone,

So you mean, it's insulting when I call out liberal hypocrisy?? Good, then all is not lost then.

or trying to sue them. Imagine if he were to somehow become president of the US and he had to deal with other nations... hahaha.

It would be equally as bad if Hillary were president as well. Let's NOT forget that.

If it weren't such an extremely sad image it would be downright hilarious. The guy can't even answer any policy questions; only an insane, "Wait and see!" with his signature moronic shoulder shrug.

Didn't Hillary rope off all reporters and had plants and vetted selected Clinton supporters to asked cherry picked questions?

This is the GOP's number #1, and a person bass has said he supports on a number of issues.

Yup.

The two are meant for each other, and it's not surprising so many right-wingers and other crazies like the guy.

And the people that like Clinton and Sanders and certifiable and need Nurse Rachet's assistance.

But you said you agreed with me that the middle classes will fall further behind under Clinton as she continues the trend of seeing all new wealth is going upstairs. You also agreed that it would continue under Bush. Don't you agree with that anymore?

I never believed that Bush is a true conservative anymore than Hillary is a Democrat in the sense of what they used to stand for. Her and Bush wouldn't do much for the middle class and especially both would foster stronger relations with big business which doesn't bother me, but Hillary even more so would expand the size of government more than what our socialist Tyrant president has already done. No to both of them and don't get me started on that socialist from Vermont.

I honestly don't know what speaking 'American' means. I know American English. I'm not a professional writer like you but I don't think the following exchange makes sense:

Me: ' I know it's a hypothetical but you've been prepared to answer hypotheticals in the past.' You: ' Because you never gave me one of substance worth answering.'

You have for most of the time never asked a question that covered substance.

That makes no sense to me. Does it make sense in 'American'?

Actually, it really does.

But this is where we are: You can remove the crazies from the GOP pack*, but you can't remove the crazies from the GOP.

Question: Do you feel the same about the liberal loons as well? Because a whole lot of them are crazy as well.

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I'm not particularly interested in polotics, which is probably why I can't even spell it correctly, but even here in Japan, word of this "Trump" guy has filtered through, and being the "go-to" guy for all things non-Japanese (yes, Europe: I speak for you!), my job description required me to come up with some sort of explanation.

Faced with head-explosion or YouTube, I chose the latter. For all of my compatriots out there in the same quandary as I, refer to the following video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28khv-BydeY**

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bass: I believe it because I know what I am and don't need to listen to people that don't know me define me or what I am.

People who believe in the "deny until you die" way of life often say things like this. Usually it means you've reached a level of exhaustion trying to support contradictory statements so you basically give up and say that no one knows anything about you.

I perfectly understand lying is in the DNA of most libs to further their one-sided socialist government dependence.

Well normally I'd take words like that and say there's evidence of bias, but I can't get into your head and prove that so I guess I'll just have to settle for saying that I just don't know how you feel about liberals. Because using your own words is apparently not a good indicator about what you think.

Laguna: Congress' return in September will undoubtedly prove this decisively.

Are you as excited as I am about the potential government shutdown? My bet is that the GOP won't let it happen, not in the middle of election season, and not in the middle of the next (and never-ending) Benghazi investigation. They will probably get a deal done then Cruz and some of the other candidates will use that deal to rail against any GOP members who supported it.

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'I believe it because I know what I am and don't need to listen to people that don't know me define me or what I am. Unlike libs, I have no reason to lie about anything. I perfectly understand lying is in the DNA of most libs to further their one-sided socialist government dependence.'

Most liberals are liars? How can you make statements like this and then get defensive when people accuse you of partisanship? Do you believe most conservatives are honest? Is this based on neuroscience and statistical research? It sounds instinctive to me.

I hate to say this, but you do tend to view politics in terms of lying libs/dems/socialists/wimp vegans and Prius drivers versus honest, American muscle, meat-eating conservatives. Your automatic reply to any criticism of conservatives is 'yes, but what about Hillary/Obama/Benghazi/Socialist tyrants and 'moonbats'. That's fine but why do you get so defensive when people point out the obvious? It's nothing to be ashamed of to say you are what you are.

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My bet is that the GOP won't let it happen, not in the middle of election season, and not in the middle of the next (and never-ending) Benghazi investigation.

You're assuming that the "establishment" - that which is just now the target of conservative vitriol - is able to guide some sort of sane path. Might happen, might not, but the fun will be in watching how.

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It's nothing to be ashamed of to say you are what you are.

It depends on what you are, of course. I quite understand bass' defensiveness.

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The problems with Trump and Republican party are many. They are out of touch with people historically aligned with them:

Owned by the far right religious wackos! Separation of church and state, remember that? Lost their fiscal conservative roots. Time to privatize the TSA, cut the NSA by 80% and shutdown the DHS. Belief in personal rights and personal freedoms. Stop voting for government surveillance programs. Abortion rights are important to everyone under 50! Why are medical practitioners in this field being harassed and local laws banning these services allowed? Anti-Gay marriage - I don't see how 2 people, in love, living together in a legal bond harms our society or their family. Realistic Immigration solution - I'm thinking seasonal worker visas. After all, we need the workers and they don't want to be stuck here all the time either. Need to prevent anchor babies, somehow. That will probably require an Constitutional Amendment. H-1B Visa limits need to be lower. Only the best of the best should be allowed in. Average workers, which is what I've seen just aren't needed. Supply/demand should set the market rates, not allowing foreign workers with false credentials in for 50% less pay. Law enforcement misconduct must end. Any misconduct needs a lifetime ban on any security related work - guards, TSA, firearm ownership, etc. Training of our peace officers needs to go back to the Andy Griffith methods without automatic escalation.

Since I don't get CATV, couldn't watch the debates. Good job providing open access for all voters.

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Just shows how messed up the GOP is. That is all.

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my job description required me to come up with some sort of explanation.

That's easy: Ishihara Shintaro.

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People who believe in the "deny until you die" way of life often say things like this. Usually it means you've reached a level of exhaustion trying to support contradictory statements so you basically give up and say that no one knows anything about you.

If only libs would take that advice starting with Clinton and own up to be honest with everyone around them and more importantly to themselves they wouldn't have to drown in their own hypocrisy, but as such....

Well normally I'd take words like that and say there's evidence of bias, but I can't get into your head and prove that so I guess I'll just have to settle for saying that I just don't know how you feel about liberals.

Ohhh, I think you do know how I feel about liberal hypocrites.

Because using your own words is apparently not a good indicator about what you think.

You do try so very hard.

Are you as excited as I am about the potential government shutdown? My bet is that the GOP won't let it happen, not in the middle of election season, and not in the middle of the next (and never-ending) Benghazi investigation. They will probably get a deal done then Cruz and some of the other candidates will use that deal to rail against any GOP members who supported it.

We shall see. I'm more excited about Obama leaving in 454 days.

Most liberals are liars?

Sorry, the current administration in particular are THE biggest lying pieces of...

How can you make statements like this and then get defensive when people accuse you of partisanship?

How can you get defensive when you constantly make bloviating and condescending comments about conservatives?

I don't have a problem with liberals generally speaking, I have a fundamental problem with libs talking trash about conservatives, but conveniently or intentionally overlook the numerous and outrageous lies and conducts that liberals commit on a daily basis. You guys won't call it out and give them a pass? Sorry, I won't.

Do you believe most conservatives are honest? Is this based on neuroscience and statistical research? It sounds instinctive to me.

First of all, I don't really trust any politician, but if we do the breakdown of the last 7 years of everything the libs have done in terms of lying, cheating, falsifying important information, credibility, cooking numbers, used tragic situations constantly to get a political advantage. It's hands down 3 to 1! Conservatives have their share of faults, scandals and lies, but it doesn't even come close to the shrewdness of what liberals have been doing and I have covering politics now for over 25 years. This administration is by far the absolute worst.

I hate to say this, but you do tend to view politics in terms of lying libs/dems/socialists/wimp vegans and Prius drivers versus honest, American muscle, meat-eating conservatives.

In a more simplified exaggerated version, Yes.

Your automatic reply to any criticism of conservatives is 'yes, but what about Hillary/Obama/Benghazi/Socialist tyrants and 'moonbats'.

Yes, you guys drone the same way when it comes to conservatives. Come on now....

That's fine but why do you get so defensive when people point out the obvious? It's nothing to be ashamed of to say you are what you are.

I'm not defensive and I'm not ashamed of anything except that we have a president that is one of the worst since Carter, we have 3 presidential contenders, one is a habitual liar, the other is so stuck on himself and is a chauvinist and bully and the other an honest and straightforward Socialist and believe me when I tell you. In fact, I find it amusing and entertaining because you guys are the ones slinging insults and ad hominem attacks and if you guys weren't defensive, then there is no need to stoop that low.

Just shows how messed up the GOP is. That is all.

Well, that goes for both parties to be brutally honest.

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I'm not defensive and I'm not ashamed

Yes, you are, and you should be.

You are a stupid, inane, and blinkered man who doesn't have the sense to wipe your own ass.

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This article and the left in general are using Trump inaccurately. He is running republican, his views are democratic and his popularity stems from his hard line view on the border. Close it! Seal it! and illegals get no special perks.

Think about it, once an illegal becomes legal they can legally invite family members to the USA. And as a Chinese woman I know has done with her retired parents are now on welfare/medicare. They paid not a penny in taxes in their life.

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bass,

How do you reconcile this:

I don't have a problem with liberals generally speaking,

and this:

tend to view politics in terms of lying libs/dems/socialists/wimp vegans and Prius drivers versus honest, American muscle, meat-eating conservatives.

In a more simplified exaggerated version, Yes.

?

Inquiring minds want to understand the complexities of nonpartisan Bassism.

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This article and the left in general are using Trump inaccurately. He is running republican, his views are democratic and his popularity stems from his hard line view on the border. Close it! Seal it! and illegals get no special perks.

Exactly.

Think about it, once an illegal becomes legal they can legally invite family members to the USA. And as a Chinese woman I know has done with her retired parents are now on welfare/medicare. They paid not a penny in taxes in their life.

You have NO border, you don't have a country and neither of these idiot politicians will do anything about it or have done anything about it in the past.

Inquiring minds want to understand the complexities of nonpartisan Bassism.

I was referring to the sensible, calm, unbiased, Non-Kool aid drinking Liberals. These are people that I have NO problem with, easy to communicate, NO Spin.

Unfortunately, the vast majority of libs and the nutty progressive bunch live in an alternate loonland. Those are the people that I have a fundamental problem with. Hope that clarified things for you.

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bass, you've clarified nothing.

I don't have a problem with liberals generally speaking,

is not consistent with

Unfortunately, the vast majority of libs and the nutty progressive bunch live in an alternate loonland.

So, liberals are generally OK except for the vast majority of them.

Conservatives have their share of faults, scandals and lies, but it doesn't even come close to the shrewdness of what liberals have been doing and I have covering politics now for over 25 years.

I'd like to see some of your 'nonpartisan' journalistic work.

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MarkG: Think about it, once an illegal becomes legal they can legally invite family members to the USA. And as a Chinese woman I know has done with her retired parents are now on welfare/medicare. They paid not a penny in taxes in their life.

Yeah I'm calling bullshit on that, and not just because it's an anecdote.

SuperLib: Are you as excited as I am about the potential government shutdown? My bet is that the GOP won't let it happen, not in the middle of election season, and not in the middle of the next (and never-ending) Benghazi investigation. They will probably get a deal done then Cruz and some of the other candidates will use that deal to rail against any GOP members who supported it.

bass: We shall see. I'm more excited about Obama leaving in 454 days.

I wasn't talking to you, I was talking to Laguna. But thanks for offering your hard-hitting analysis on the budget issue.

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'I'm not defensive and I'm not ashamed of anything except that we have a president that is one of the worst since Carter'

ONE of the worst since Carter? Let's see, who else would be up there? Seeing as you are non-partisan and given a disastrous war, turning a surplus into a deficit and implementing socialist policies to bail out companies, you are talking about Bush jr?

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